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The Caped Crusader

Heists and Canon Approaches

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D9fred95

Does OFFSHORE method actually breaks the story in dialogue sense?

Well, in the sense that Trevor obtains a Cargobob for the offshore method even though one is needed later in the story and the team act as if they don't have one. That's the entire point of the Paleto heist actually, to get money for a Cargobob. Essentially if the offshore method happened, then it would make the Paleto heist moot. Since the Paleto heist obviously happened, that would mean either the protagonists have memory loss or the tanker approach is canon.

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Lester-The-Molester

I think that some of the incentive of the Paleto score was that Trevor wanted a new score after the Merriweather heist.

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Beyond72

 

 

 

 

talk about jumping the shark.

 

Sorry but the misuse of "jumping the shark" is one of my pet hates, it doesn't just mean a weak plot/plot hole it means a ridiculous over the top/random plot device when you've run out of ideas on a long running series. (i.e it comes from Fronzie in the Happy Days TV show literally jumping a shark.) So if anything there's TONS more missions in the GTA series more guilty of "jumping the shark" and it's why so many people love the series in the first place!

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DavidBardock

Yeah that what i meant, i mean if you do offshore it breaks the story later on in the game, cause as people were talking some time ago, the whole paleto score was to buy a cargo bob, as Dave Norton said, and even noted that cargobob will set them couple mill back, i was kind of surprised that Trevor didnt suggested some ideas for michael, or that michael didnt ask him for cargobob. I the whole thing why i like offshore is because of the dialogue in that mission, but later on in the game they act as it never happened, i woulda loved if Trevor mentioned in Monkey Bussiness mission atleast that he had a cargobob or something.

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Beyond72

Yeah I get that but it's not "jumping the shark" it's a oversight/plot hole.
Something like CJ in GTA SA going from gang banging in the hood to stealing and flying a jetpack is "jumping the shark". (Not sure it would be a fair criticism given the nature of the game as a whole, but it's an example of the phrase's meaning.) Like Michael I'm a movie guy and I see it thrown around incorrectly too much.


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DavidBardock

btw after doing offshore i hear people saying that weazel news still talk about containership being blown up? or im mistaken?

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Prasdana21

Sorry for bumping this thread. I didn't know we have a topic for cannon heist. Here's what I'm thinking (along with the crew):

1. The Jewel Store Job: Smart.
Michael only wanted a few bucks to pay his debt to Madrazo, no need for taking a big risk. Beside, this is the first mission that featured in the trailer anyway.

 

Gunman: Packie McReary
Reason: After Franklin saved him in "the getaway driver" event, Franklin would reccomended him to Michael and Lester which Lester would say "McReary? He's part of Liberty City crew, small world". He probably would tell Michael and Franklin about "The Three Leaf Clover" mission as Michael asked Packie in "Paleto Bay Score" that he heard about Packie being in the crew of Bank of Liberty City heist. BTW I'm sure Franklin was the one who helped him because if you saved Packie as Michael or Trevor, Packie will still call them "kid". It's safe to assume that he was featured in the first official trailer as well.

 

Driver: Eddie Toh
Reason: Simple, Lester trusts Eddie very well and he was featured in the trailer and he had a role in Online where Karim Denz was nowhere to be seen in both trailer and Online.

 

Hacker: Paige Harris
Reason: The same reason as Eddie's. That she was featured in both Online and trailer.

 

2. The Merryweather Heist: Freighter
The Weazel News still would talk about "Freighter" method even if you took the "Off-Shore" method so there you go.

 

3. The Paleto Bay Score

 

Gunman: Packie
Reason: If we didn't choose Packie as a gunman, we won't know about Derrick's death. Another reason to choose Packie is because Michael would be impressed with Packie's work in the first heist since he needed someone that is really good and can be trusted.

 

4. The Bureau Raid: Roof-Entry.

Yes, Michael was exited when he heard about this method and he even stated that he didn't want to mop, so there you go.

 

Crew: Same crew as the first heist.
Reason: They did great job in the first heist (in Packie's case, he already proved himself twice) so I think Michael didn't want to change anything.

 

5. The Big Score: Subtle.

They were robbing the biggest bank in the world, they needed to be as subtle as possible. I don't think they wanted to go wild anyway.

 

Gunman 1: Packie
Reason: He proved himself third time already, so there you go.

 

Gunman 2: Chef
Reason: Trevor was uncertain of Michael that time, so he needed someone who he can really trusted. Michael and Lester chose Chef in order to satistify Trevor as well. Another reason is, if Chef is choosen as the first gunman, Trevor will still expressed his doubt to the first gunman and the first driver, so no, Chef wasn't the first gunman.

 

Driver 1: Eddie Toh
Reason: He already proved himself twice, so there you go.

 

Driver 2: Both Taliana Martinez and Karim Denz would do. Leaning towards to Taliana though.
Reason: The second driver didn't play big role, so they can choose whoever they like I guess. BTW if you saved Taliana as Trevor, she would have different dialogues so I'm assuming Trevor is the one who saved her cannon-wise. And yes, Trevor might want to reccomended her since Taliana offered her role as a driver when you saved her and...Trevor was beefing with Michael that time. Albeit it might be a bit stretch since Trevor doesn't know Taliana that well either while Chef is very well trusted by Trevor. Different case.

 

Hacker: Paige
Reason: She already proved herself twice, so there you go.

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Story Mode
On 4/11/2016 at 3:47 AM, DavidBardock said:

btw after doing offshore i hear people saying that weazel news still talk about containership being blown up? or im mistaken?

Yes, that's correct. The Weazel News radio and the Internet newspaper states that the container ship destroyed regardless of choise. If you pay attention during Caida Libre mission, Michael indirectly says that he's never been to Sandy Shores (Blaine Country) before, and Trevor suggests him to come and visit sometime, which Michael refuses. And after the mission, Michael canoncially goes to Sandy Shores for the first time in storyline, to lie low. Because of this, it's definitely canon to do the Freighter method, and Offshore is non-canon (never happened in storyline).

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Tekno1

Jewel Store Heist: Smart

Gunman: Patrick McReary - See Below

Driver: Taliana Martinez - It could be that Franklin / Michael met her and Packie even years ago, and thought of them when they needed a crew.

Hacker: Rickie Lukens - Rickie is unlocked just before this heist, and obviously Michael is gonna think of Rickie first... And then regret it and never hire him again.

 

 

Merryweather Heist: Freighter

Wasnt the offshore one added at the last second? Lester doesnt come by the pier in this patient uniform? They can steal a Cargobob for this, but not for Monkey Business?

 

 

The Blitz Play

Masks: Chosen by Michael, as Michael shows the masks to Franklin and Trevor in the start of the heist.

Boiler Suits: Chosen by Michael, i think there are some boiler suit choices in some heist or prep in GTA Online, three of which are named "The Michael, The Franklin, The Trevor". These boiler suits are also the ones available for the heist, so the one named "The Michael" is the one Michael used and so on.

 

 

The Paleto Score

Gunman: Chef - Just unlocked before this heist, lives in Sandy Shores, can be trusted. I think he was designed to be canon, just like Rickie

 

 

Bureau Raid: Covert

Michael would risk getting IDd and would definetly get recorded on cameras if he went in as the Janitor. But this makes the janitor disguise useless.

Driver: Karim Denz - Cheap

Gunman: Daryl Johns - Cheap

Hacker: Christian Feltz - Cheap, but not Rickie

 

 

Big Score: Subtle

Subtle because way less riskier.

Gunmen: Gus Mota & Packie McReary, Gus because he is good and Packie because he is good AND already proven himself

Drivers: Eddie Toh & Taliana Martinez, Because they are good and have proven themselves already (Eddie proved himself to Lester in The Fleeca Job)

Hacker: Paige Harris - Lester's Assistant, Already Proven Herself

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Story Mode

We must pay attention to the Weazel News updates and Bleeter after each heist. Maybe it will help us figure out which approach is canon in the game.

But whatever you do, don't choose Norm as your gunman. He is a bit of an idiot. What do you think guys?

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5 hours ago, Story Mode said:

Norm was a bit of an idiot. What do you think guys?

Rickie is a bit of an idiot :)

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As long as I studied GTA V Story Mode, bleets and Weazel News updates after each mission or heist and GTA Online (2019), I think the Canon approaches for the Heists are these:

 

1) The Jewelry Heist: Smart {Eddie, Packie, Rickie}

- Why Michael climbed ladders and rooftops to take a picture of Vangelico's air vents? He also stated that the vents look promising.

- The heist is named "Pest Control" in the beta.

- There's an artwork named "Pest Control" showing the Smart variant.

- The artworks of the planning board has a Bugstars logo and a Sanchez motorcycle (Sanchezes are for Eddie Toh).

- Originally, before the game had two different options for the heists, only the Smart variant was ment to be completed, like a normal mission.

- The whole planning board of this heist has only pictures of the air vents and a Bugstars pest control van.

- Michael loves stealth himself and doesn't want to go crazy, so he decided to do the heist Vinewood style because he's a movie guy.

- The gold medal objectives says "under 50 seconds" it means that he most likely chose Rickie for the heist because Michael met him some missions ago and he said to him "I'll be in touch when everything comes up" so he introduced him to Lester. Which he's also available as a hacker in GTA Casino Heist DLC (2019).

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2) The Merryweather Heist: Freighter

- Everybody know this, so let me skip this and go to the next heist.

 

3) The Paleto Score: {Packie}

- In his unique dialogue we find out that Derrick's death is canon.

 

4) The Bureau Raid: Fire Crew {Packie, Gustavo}

- Why Michael had to tail a janitor and gets his overalls and IDs?

- Why Franklin had to steal the building's blueprints in order to inform Michael where to plant the bombs?

- Franklin doesn't know where is Lesters house, but in the Covert variant he learns Lesters house, and later returns during "The Third Way". Franklin: Eh, this is Lester's crib, ain't it?

- Franklin parachutes for the first time on "Risk Assessment", and regardless of doing the Roof variant or not, he tells Dom that he never done parachuting in his life and he's afraid of doing it. So the Roof approach breaks the story afterwards! Look at this way: the sentence Franklin said after he jumped:

The Bureau Raid Roof: we on!

Risk Assessment: oh, sh**********t!

- After the Covert variant, the Weazel News says that the building was "compromised", and someone bleets that the building was "compromised" in both approaches. Strengthening the idea that the canon approach is Covert.

- If both gunmen survives, Michael says a unique dialouge which makes the most sence in the storyline.

 

5) The Big Score: Subtle {Paige, Taliana, Eddie, Chef, Packie}

- Subtle variant makes the most sense in the storyline.

- After doing the Obvious variant, there's no sign of destruction where you drill the wall. What happened? Instantly repaired?

- After both approaches, someone bleets: is there anything left in Los Santos that can't be "broken into"? Maybe it means that the hacker broke into the bank's security system, or the robbers broke into the bank disguising as workers.

- At the end of The Wrap Up, Lester tells Michael that they are going to "make history". This word is said twice in Subtle but never in Obvious.

- Trevor wanted his buddy Chef to be in the heist because he trusts him and works for TPI (gunman 2).

- Paige appeared in GTA Online (2019) stating that has done a job with Lester.

- Tervor saves Taliana, because they both live in Sandy Shores, not Michael nor Franklin. Makes sense.

 

Final Words: Every heist that is connected to it's intel gathering mission and is stealthy based, makes the most sense towards the storyline. There's NO reason why Michael wants to go crazy and kill people during the heists while he can go smart and calm without killing anyone during the heists (except Merryweather enemies).

Michael loves movies and loves to do the heists in Classic Vinewood style.

 

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KarimNTerr

A bit off-topic, but can you replay heists choosing different approaches without having to restart the whole game? Want the 100% rankings/Gold medals

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On 12/26/2019 at 12:05 AM, Story Mode said:

Alright, let's finish this topic once for all.

As long as I studied GTA V Story Mode, bleets and Weazel News updates after each mission or heist and GTA Online (2019), I think the Canon approaches for the Heists are these:

 

1) The Jewelry Heist: Loud {Eddie, Packie, Rickie} 

- It appreared on the Official Trailer. Official means canon.

- After the mission, someone bleets that was involved in the heist and got pointed by a gun, but there's no hostage in the Smart variant.

- After the Big Score Obvious, the Weazel News says that "connections" made between this heist and the Jewelry heist and the Paleto heist (the only thing these heists are connected to each other is that the robbers ran into the front door).

- The Shop Clerk can be seen alive and without glasses in Loud variant (she's canonically alive in 2019 and doesn't have glasses).

- After Michael lost Rickies job, Michael thought he can give him a chance so he intoduced him to Lester, which he's also available on GTA Casino Heist.

- Packie's dialouge on the Loud mission was reused on GTA Casino Heist DLC.

- The jewel store manager also bleets about the robbery, but where is she on the Smart variant?

- If you want to obey the Official Trailer, choose Eddie, Norm, Paige.

 

2) The Merryweather Heist: Freighter

- Everybody know this, so let me skip this and go to the next heist.

 

3) The Paleto Score: {Packie}

- In his unique dialogue we find out that Derrick's death is canon.

- At the end of the fight, if you have chosen Chef, Michael says he tought he's paying for "another idiot" (a reference to Norm maybe).

- Only heist in the story which doesn't have plan B. So the heist is plan A.

 

4) The Bureau Raid: Fire Crew {Packie, Gustavo}

- Why Michael had to tail a janitor and gets his overalls and IDs?

- Why Franklin had to steal the building's blueprints in order to inform Michael where to plant the bombs?

- Franklin doesn't know where is Lesters house, but in the Fire Crew mission he learns Lesters house, and later returns during "The Third Way". Franklin: Eh, this is Lester's crib, ain't it?

- Franklin parachutes for the first time on "Risk Assessment", and regardless of doing the Roof mission or not, he tells Dom that he never done parachuting in his life and he's afraid of doing it. So the Roof approach breaks the story afterwards! Look at this way: the sentence Franklin said after he jumped:

The Bureau Raid Roof: we on!

Risk Assessment: oh, sh**********t!

- After the Fire Crew mission, the Weazel News says that the building was "compromised", and someone bleets that the building was "compromised" in both approaches. Strengthening the idea that the canon approach is Fire Crew.

- If both gunmen survives, Michael says a unique dialouge which makes the most sence in the storyline.

 

5) The Big Score: Subtle {Paige, Taliana, Eddie, Chef, Packie}

- Subtle variant makes the most sense in the storyline.

- After doing the Obvious variant, there's no sign of destruction where you drill the wall. What happened? Instantly repaired???

- After both approaches, someone bleets: is there anything left in Los Santos that can't be "broken into"? Maybe it means that the hacker broke into the bank's security system, or the robbers broke into the bank disguising as workers.

- At the end of "The Wrap Up", Lester tells Michael that they are going to "make history". This word is said twice in Subtle but never in Obvious.

- Trevor wanted his buddy Chef to be in the heist because he trusts him, but not Michael.

- Paige appeared in GTA Online (2019) stating that has done a job.

- Tervor saves Taliana, because they both live in Sandy Shores, not Michael nor Franklin. Makes sense.

 

Final Words: Lester says the option A of the heists is the primary plan, and B is the secondary (back up) plan. So I'm sure the protagonists would choose the primary plan. Even if you choose plan B, the storyline acts as plan A was chosen before.

Great post, but the ones that pay more are as follow:

 

The Jewel Store:

 

Approach: Smart

Gunman: Packie

Hacker: Ricky

Driver: Karim

 

Paleto:

 

Gunman: Daryl or Norm. Even tho they die you can pick up their bag

 

 

 

FIB:

Approach: Roof

Gunmen: The bad ones

Driver: Taliana

 

Big One:

 

Approach: Obvious

Gunmen: The bad ones

Drivers: Taliana & Karim

 

Sauce: http://www.gta-series.com/it/gta-5/crew-migliori-rapine.html

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1 hour ago, KarimNTerr said:

A bit off-topic, but can you replay heists choosing different approaches without having to restart the whole game? Want the 100% rankings/Gold medals

When you replay a heist it begins with the mission board where you pick the approach and crew members, you can pick freely and then the heist starts with whatever approach and crew you picked. However you can only earn medals for the approach you originally picked in that save (it's a different set of objectives for each approach). If you replay it picking the other approach it'll show you how you did at the end but it won't be recorded anywhere. So yes you can replay with a different approach, but as far as improving your medals it has to be the same approach you originally did and the only thing you can change is the crew. 

 

I don't think it hurts you in rankings though since it's the same for everyone, everyone only has one recorded medal for each heist. I did a second save so I could do them all with the other approach and have the medals recorded somewhere just for the satisfaction of it. 

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KarimNTerr

Thanks a lot for the very detailed reply! 😁

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If Michael chooses Roof Entry for FIB Raid, how franklin later goes to Lester's house during "The Third Way" while he doesn't know where is it? In Fire Crew approach he learns address of Lester's home. Also how it's possible for Franklin to jump out of the helicopter without getting scared? Remember "Risk Assessment". Aha... if you think Roof Entry is canon, why the mission "Cleaning Out the Bureau" should take place in GTAV if Michael wants to go by roof? And why Franklin should steal the architec's plans for Lester to show Michael where to plant the bombs? I think Roof approach will flip the storyline. What do you think guys?

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KarimNTerr, Yes, that's true. But the approaches that makes the most money doesn't matter, the approaches that makes the most sense to the storyline does matter... I think.😊

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1 hour ago, Story Mode said:

KarimNTerr, Yes, that's true. But the approaches that makes the most money doesn't matter, the approaches that makes the most sense to the storyline does matter... I think.😊

I agree with you, just wanted to also share the ones that pays more 😁

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JC_HUMBLE

1. The Jewel Store Job (Loud)

- Eddie Toh

- Patrick McReary

- Rickie Lukens

 

2. The Merryweather Heist (Freighter)

 

3. The Paleto Score

- Chef

 

4. The Bureau Raid (Covert)

- Patrick McReary

-  Hugh Welsh

 

5. The Big Score (Subtle)

-  Eddie Toh

- Taliana Martinez

- Patrick McReary

- Chef

- Paige Harris

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cp1dell
On 12/25/2019 at 6:05 PM, Story Mode said:

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Pretty much agree with all the approaches except the first one.

 

The official trailers don't help since different trailers showcased different approaches for multiple heists.

The Bleet you're talking about where someone says they had a gun pointed at them also says that the gunman said "You forget a thousand things every day, make sure this is one of them." No gun is pointed, but this happens in both approaches.

The connections with "running through the front door" sounds pretty weak in my opinion. Kind of hard to use that too if you're also going to claim that the Obvious approach for The Big Score isn't the canon one.

Shop clerk isn't killed in the Smart approach. BZ Gas just knocks everyone out.

 

I've always said the Smart approach is canon. The whole scope mission revolves around you finding the vents for the BZ Gas. But the biggest takeaway is that according to the game's files, in the beta, the mission/heist was originally called "Pest Control." This was probably before heists had two approaches. Same thing goes for the Merryweather heist. I forget what it was, but it's original mission title implied that the Freighter approach was the only approach before.

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On 8/17/2014 at 3:33 AM, universetwisters said:

Probably whatever's in the trailers.

We can not rely on the trailers, because different approaches for multiple heists were shown on each trailer.

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On 12/28/2019 at 11:39 PM, cp1dell said:

Pretty much agree with all the approaches except the first one.

 

The official trailers don't help since different trailers showcased different approaches for multiple heists.

The Bleet you're talking about where someone says they had a gun pointed at them also says that the gunman said "You forget a thousand things every day, make sure this is one of them." No gun is pointed, but this happens in both approaches.

The connections with "running through the front door" sounds pretty weak in my opinion. Kind of hard to use that too if you're also going to claim that the Obvious approach for The Big Score isn't the canon one.

Shop clerk isn't killed in the Smart approach. BZ Gas just knocks everyone out.

 

I've always said the Smart approach is canon. The whole scope mission revolves around you finding the vents for the BZ Gas. But the biggest takeaway is that according to the game's files, in the beta, the mission/heist was originally called "Pest Control." This was probably before heists had two approaches. Same thing goes for the Merryweather heist. I forget what it was, but it's original mission title implied that the Freighter approach was the only approach before.

Oh, thats right. I forgot that details.

The canon approach for The Jewelry Heist is Smart, because why Michael should climb the ladder and go to the rooftop and take a pictuer of the air conditioner while in a suit? The whole objective of "Casing the Jewel Store" was to find a perfect place to throw a knock out gas. And also Michael stated that those vents look promising, which Lester replied that they might flip the job in another way (Smart way). Also this heist was originally going to be called "Pest Control" before the heist had two options, confirming that the canon approach for The Jewelry Heist is Smart. Also the whole planning board has pictures of air vents and a pest control van. And all of the games artworks showing the planning board has a Bugstars logo and a red jumpsuit. There's also an artwork named "Pest Control" showing the Smart variant of The Jewelry Heist.

Why Michael should do it dump while he climbed the rooftops to take a picture of the vents? The Loud variant will RUIN the storyline.

So the Smart vaiant is 100% canon and happened in GTAV Timeline. Someone should write this on GTA wiki.

 

The Merrywather Heist is originally called "The Port of LS Heist" before the heist had two options. Confirming the Freighter approach happened in GTAV Timeline. Confused? Just play "Scouting the Port" mission and you'll see.

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9 hours ago, Story Mode said:

The Merrywather Heist is originally called "The Port of LS Heist" before the heist had two options. Confirming the Freighter approach happened in GTAV Timeline. Confused? Just play "Scouting the Port" mission and you'll see.

Yes, that was it. Exactly, the title itself heavily implies the freighter route was the only version before. Not to mention all the other oversights that exist in the current game.

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The canon approaches for GTAV Heists are:

 

1) The Jewel Store Job -> Smart (Pest Control)

2) The Merryweather Heist -> Freighter (Container Ship)

3) The Bureau Raid -> Fire Crew (Covert)

4) The Big Score -> Subtle (Asking for Gold)

{crew members are written on my upper post}.

 

If anybody wants to know the reasons, just read my edited long post up there, or simply ask me, and I'll write the reasons why these are canon in GTAV Timeline.

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Ronald Reagan
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I always do the most obvious ones.  Grand Theft Auto V characters aren't the smartest, why would they use smart approaches? 

 


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On 1/4/2020 at 3:11 AM, Ronald Reagan said:

I always do the most obvious ones.  Grand Theft Auto V characters aren't the smartest, why would they use smart approaches? 

 


Well, in fact that we can choose between Subtle/Obvious methods during each heist, the Subtle one can actually make sense in the storyline, because the intel gathering mission is connected to them, for instance:

 

->Casing the Jewel Store: climbing the rooftops and taking pictures of the air system. Michael also stated that the vents look promising (the mission highly focuses on the air vents so they can throw a BZ gas grenade inside them

->Scouting the Port: play acting in the port of LS and taking pictures of the cargo ship (the mission highly focuses on the port of LS).

->Cleaning Out the Bureau: tailing a janitor to get his overalls and IDs.

->Architect's Plans: Stealing the FIB Building blueprints for Lester to show Michael the locations for planting bombs inside the building.

->Surveying the Score: tailing two armored vans with Trevor's chopper and also flying inside the tunnel with that chopper. Michael also stated that they need fake IDs to get into the building. Lester also said they can ambush the armored vans inside the tunnel. When returning to Trevor's airfield, Lester stated that they can go in disgusting as workers and get the gold and get out, no need to fire a single shot (the mission highly focused on armored vans).

 

So if the if they want to do the Obvious variant, why the heist's intel gathering mission should mainly focus on the Subtle variant for the player while there's no sign of Obvious variant during that missions? {editing...}

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