Son of Zeus Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Yes. SA's story wasn't an award winning one. It was totally unrealistic and rushed at times(Ryder's death). Yet the missions were fun to do(except some). As for Ryder's death: That was an AFTERTHOUGT by R*. He wasn't originally going to betray. R* didn't know what to do with him, so they just cut him out of the story in a small mission. Another thing is that Ryder was to be killed on the pier originally not T-Bone. That would have meant a decent talk b/w CJ and Ryder, but R* reversed the thing. All in all SA was and still is pure and crazy fun. R* focused more on the gameplay than story. And the result? GTA San Andreas: One of the most fun games out there. After SA, R* shifted their focus to story, neglecting the gameplay. And the result? GTA IV: One of the most boring games out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeathRises Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 The thing about SA is, that it doesn't have just one theme. It has three, atleast major, themes. The ghetto/gangster theme that takes part in LS, the hippie-drug theme that takes part in SF and the casino-gambling theme that takes part in LV. ten-a-penny and Rupdeus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfilmpjesmaker123 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 The thing about SA is, that it doesn't have just one theme. It has three, atleast major, themes. The ghetto/gangster theme that takes part in LS, the hippie-drug theme that takes part in SF and the casino-gambling theme that takes part in LV. Yea, the athmospheres are completely different on every island , if you get bored of one , you can just go to the other x) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawnek Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I can see how Ryder's death was definitely a last minute change. I wish there could have been a bigger mission for killing him. Rupdeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadrage19 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I can see how Ryder's death was definitely a last minute change. I wish there could have been a bigger mission for killing him. and the worst part was that even though ryder was cj's friend, cj never showed the least bit emotion after killing him as opposed to big smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latigreblue Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I can see how Ryder's death was definitely a last minute change. I wish there could have been a bigger mission for killing him. and the worst part was that even though ryder was cj's friend, cj never showed the least bit emotion after killing him as opposed to big smoke. That's not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA_Sharpshooter Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) GTA IV: One of the most boring games out there. 1st:There was LCS,VCS and Advanced BEFORE IV. 2nd GTA IV and Episodes of LC had both cool story and gameplay.The think is GTA IV wasn't like SA that in the end even with the betrayl death the rest was happy.IV Story is way complicated and adult.But the post is not about it so my opinion: -SA gave me and my friends days (Maybe months,years of time played in game) in both ps2,pc and online (SAMP),it was a greate game,with perfect soundtracks and places,BUT the storyline was way fake.As alot people say in the forums:"Ghetto gangster use planes/boats" or "Ghetto gangster still jetpack worth billions of dollars",having moments that i think CJ was on drugs '-'.Some missions like Black Project and Storway (Something like that) were extremes and mission such as Green Go didin't make the any f*cking sense.The only missions that made sense were the LS ones.The thing is in from 2004 to i don't know 2008 (Even now,people like me accept it was great game) it was a great game,great storyline,great everything and i guess the Why we play video games is do what SA story was:Escape the reality let's crazy stuff like steal a jetpack,or steal a mafia casino,destroy a drug factory,invade a cargo ship full of vietnam mobsters and give a hippie some Green sh*t that doesn't affect the story and is never mentioned again in GTA series Edited September 29, 2014 by GTA_Sharpshooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadrage19 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I can see how Ryder's death was definitely a last minute change. I wish there could have been a bigger mission for killing him. and the worst part was that even though ryder was cj's friend, cj never showed the least bit emotion after killing him as opposed to big smoke. That's not true. really? because when cj sees ryder escaping via speedboat, he just kills him in a drive-by nonchalantly without even asking him why he turned his back on him, whereas with big smoke, he had a short conversation with him and felt sad when he passed. GTA_Sharpshooter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latigreblue Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I can see how Ryder's death was definitely a last minute change. I wish there could have been a bigger mission for killing him. and the worst part was that even though ryder was cj's friend, cj never showed the least bit emotion after killing him as opposed to big smoke. That's not true. really? because when cj sees ryder escaping via speedboat, he just kills him in a drive-by nonchalantly without even asking him why he turned his back on him, whereas with big smoke, he had a short conversation with him and felt sad when he passed. There is something off about that mission. But I think it is something technical - perhaps the actor was unavailable that day but it seems that there is recycled dialogue used in the mission. I was specifically referring to your claim that CJ never showed the least bit emotion after killing him [Ryder]. The cut scene from the mission Yay Ka-Boom-Boom shows that you are wrong. ten-a-penny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroBrineR007 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 GTA IV: One of the most boring games out there. 1st:There was LCS,VCS and Advanced BEFORE IV.2nd GTA IV and Episodes of LC had both cool story and gameplay.The think is GTA IV wasn't like SA that in the end even with the betrayl death the rest was happy.IV Story is way complicated and adult.But the post is not about it so my opinion: -SA gave me and my friends days (Maybe months,years of time played in game) in both ps2,pc and online (SAMP),it was a greate game,with perfect soundtracks and places,BUT the storyline was way fake.As alot people say in the forums:"Ghetto gangster use planes/boats" or "Ghetto gangster still jetpack worth billions of dollars",having moments that i think CJ was on drugs '-'.Some missions like Black Project and Storway (Something like that) were extremes and mission such as Green Go didin't make the any f*cking sense.The only missions that made sense were the LS ones.The thing is in from 2004 to i don't know 2008 (Even now,people like me accept it was great game) it was a great game,great storyline,great everything and i guess the Why we play video games is do what SA story was:Escape the reality let's crazy stuff like steal a jetpack,or steal a mafia casino,destroy a drug factory,invade a cargo ship full of vietnam mobsters and give a hippie some Green sh*t that doesn't affect the story and is never mentioned again in GTA series Nah. GTA IV had: NO Planes, you CAN'T buy houses, SMALL map, LESS customizations etc. SA and VC were the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osho Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 ^ Absolutely. In fact, prior to IV, all the games were consistently fun. IV has a great story, no doubt. But, where's the fun? The gameplay is way too boring, despite an immersive world to back up. I really like a light hearted, simple plot of fun story of GTA SA, which has an infectiously addictive gameplay with so much freedom, and a plethora of activities to play, the way you want, and desire. I mean, if the overall gameplay is weak, I won't enjoy the story, at all. Gameplay precedes story, and graphics, when it comes to GTA SA, thus it's the best gta game with a nice story, and characters worth every time you invest into playing it. Haha365 and ten-a-penny 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul723 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I can see how Ryder's death was definitely a last minute change. I wish there could have been a bigger mission for killing him. and the worst part was that even though ryder was cj's friend, cj never showed the least bit emotion after killing him as opposed to big smoke. That's not true. really? because when cj sees ryder escaping via speedboat, he just kills him in a drive-by nonchalantly without even asking him why he turned his back on him, whereas with big smoke, he had a short conversation with him and felt sad when he passed. There is something off about that mission. But I think it is something technical - perhaps the actor was unavailable that day but it seems that there is recycled dialogue used in the mission. I was specifically referring to your claim that CJ never showed the least bit emotion after killing him [Ryder]. The cut scene from the mission Yay Ka-Boom-Boom shows that you are wrong. I mean sure he showed emotion, but it was ephemeral after Cesar claimed that Ryder tried to sleep with Kendl despite the fact that Cesar didn't even know the former until his betrayal. Seriously, the story would've been better if only Smoke was the traitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA_Sharpshooter Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 GTA IV: One of the most boring games out there. 1st:There was LCS,VCS and Advanced BEFORE IV.2nd GTA IV and Episodes of LC had both cool story and gameplay.The think is GTA IV wasn't like SA that in the end even with the betrayl death the rest was happy.IV Story is way complicated and adult.But the post is not about it so my opinion: -SA gave me and my friends days (Maybe months,years of time played in game) in both ps2,pc and online (SAMP),it was a greate game,with perfect soundtracks and places,BUT the storyline was way fake.As alot people say in the forums:"Ghetto gangster use planes/boats" or "Ghetto gangster still jetpack worth billions of dollars",having moments that i think CJ was on drugs '-'.Some missions like Black Project and Storway (Something like that) were extremes and mission such as Green Go didin't make the any f*cking sense.The only missions that made sense were the LS ones.The thing is in from 2004 to i don't know 2008 (Even now,people like me accept it was great game) it was a great game,great storyline,great everything and i guess the Why we play video games is do what SA story was:Escape the reality let's crazy stuff like steal a jetpack,or steal a mafia casino,destroy a drug factory,invade a cargo ship full of vietnam mobsters and give a hippie some Green sh*t that doesn't affect the story and is never mentioned again in GTA series Nah. GTA IV had: NO Planes, you CAN'T buy houses, SMALL map, LESS customizations etc. SA and VC were the best Truth,VC is without a doubt the best GTA story,music and cars,but GTA IV was more adult,great story,great characters.GTA SA too,but with some fails that were crucial for this topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjarvis15 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) You know what pissed me off? How CJ was always a perpetrator. I never thought he was that bad until Home Coming. CJ didn't even care about chasing after Big Smoke anymore, or stopping the drug problems in LS. He was willing to run away from that to get away from things. He always does that! He runs away from sh*t instead of dealing with it head-on! Same reason why he let Brian die and escaped to Liberty City! People always say Sweet is an asshole - but he has a crucial point. CJ acted like he didn't even give a f*ck for the hood towards the ending of the game. He was like "Oh, I got a casino, what do I need the hood for?" Well the least you could do is try to get the Grove back on it's knees, i'm not saying that you should be in the hood 24/7 but at least help out the Families, and then do your own sh*t. Jesus. Edited October 1, 2014 by cjarvis15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) You know what pissed me off?[...] He was like "Oh, I got a casino, what do I need the hood for?" Well the least you could do is try to get the Grove back on it's knees, i'm not saying that you should be in the hood 24/7 but at least help out the Families, and then do your own sh*t. Jesus.Grove Street gang was finished. Sweet let it rot after Carl left, and now he wants Carl to bolster his (Sweet) already proven lack of leadership. To Carl GF was just a Tar-baby, that would keep him (Carl) from getting something out of the world. Edited October 1, 2014 by lil weasel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watersgta3 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 You know what pissed me off? How CJ was always a perpetrator. I never thought he was that bad until Home Coming. CJ didn't even care about chasing after Big Smoke anymore, or stopping the drug problems in LS. He was willing to run away from that to get away from things. He always does that! He runs away from sh*t instead of dealing with it head-on! Same reason why he let Brian die and escaped to Liberty City! People always say Sweet is an asshole - but he has a crucial point. CJ acted like he didn't even give a f*ck for the hood towards the ending of the game. He was like "Oh, I got a casino, what do I need the hood for?" Well the least you could do is try to get the Grove back on it's knees, i'm not saying that you should be in the hood 24/7 but at least help out the Families, and then do your own sh*t. Jesus. To be candid, both CJ and Sweet were wrong. I know that Sweet has a valid point. CJ was being selfish by going to LC after his younger brother's death and we all know that he wouldn't have returned if not for the death of his mom. Not to mention he started whining like a girl during the Vertical Bird mission over having to destroy the jets and ships when he did crazier sh*t before. But Sweet was still a dumb ass too. Loyalty is one thing, but who wants to end their lives in the hood? What are they gonna do once they push 40? Also, I agree with everything else you said about CJ, and it's very funny how he would rather forget about going after his childhood friend when he had already killed his other childhood friend. So Sweet's a provincial dumb ass while CJ's a perpetrator and a hypocrite (though not as hypocritical as Niko from GTA 4). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latigreblue Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 who wants to end their lives in the hood? Very few people I would imagine but if your home is there... What are they gonna do once they push 40? Continue living their lives like the other people who've reached and passed 40 do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjarvis15 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 The point is, Sweet isn't used to living a high-class life like CJ has, with all the casinos and sh*t. Of course he'd rather stay in the hood, if you've been there for over 18 years then of course you're not just gonna become some high class gentleman in a private jet managing a famous rapper. It's basically Sweet's lifestyle. But yeah, Sweet pissed me off too when he didn't give Carl any credit for helping out the Families. Before Carl came, the Grove was a pile of sh*t! Carl basically helped it get back on it's knees! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul723 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 You know what pissed me off? How CJ was always a perpetrator. I never thought he was that bad until Home Coming. CJ didn't even care about chasing after Big Smoke anymore, or stopping the drug problems in LS. He was willing to run away from that to get away from things. He always does that! He runs away from sh*t instead of dealing with it head-on! Same reason why he let Brian die and escaped to Liberty City! People always say Sweet is an asshole - but he has a crucial point. CJ acted like he didn't even give a f*ck for the hood towards the ending of the game. He was like "Oh, I got a casino, what do I need the hood for?" Well the least you could do is try to get the Grove back on it's knees, i'm not saying that you should be in the hood 24/7 but at least help out the Families, and then do your own sh*t. Jesus. To be candid, both CJ and Sweet were wrong. I know that Sweet has a valid point. CJ was being selfish by going to LC after his younger brother's death and we all know that he wouldn't have returned if not for the death of his mom. Not to mention he started whining like a girl during the Vertical Bird mission over having to destroy the jets and ships when he did crazier sh*t before. But Sweet was still a dumb ass too. Loyalty is one thing, but who wants to end their lives in the hood? What are they gonna do once they push 40? Also, I agree with everything else you said about CJ, and it's very funny how he would rather forget about going after his childhood friend when he had already killed his other childhood friend. So Sweet's a provincial dumb ass while CJ's a perpetrator and a hypocrite (though not as hypocritical as Niko from GTA 4). Just what I was thinking. You know, in retrospect, this makes me think that Sweet is just asking to get killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA19somethin Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 You know what pissed me off? How CJ was always a perpetrator. I never thought he was that bad until Home Coming. CJ didn't even care about chasing after Big Smoke anymore, or stopping the drug problems in LS. He was willing to run away from that to get away from things. He always does that! He runs away from sh*t instead of dealing with it head-on! Same reason why he let Brian die and escaped to Liberty City! People always say Sweet is an asshole - but he has a crucial point. CJ acted like he didn't even give a f*ck for the hood towards the ending of the game. He was like "Oh, I got a casino, what do I need the hood for?" Well the least you could do is try to get the Grove back on it's knees, i'm not saying that you should be in the hood 24/7 but at least help out the Families, and then do your own sh*t. Jesus. To be candid, both CJ and Sweet were wrong. I know that Sweet has a valid point. CJ was being selfish by going to LC after his younger brother's death and we all know that he wouldn't have returned if not for the death of his mom. Not to mention he started whining like a girl during the Vertical Bird mission over having to destroy the jets and ships when he did crazier sh*t before. But Sweet was still a dumb ass too. Loyalty is one thing, but who wants to end their lives in the hood? What are they gonna do once they push 40? Also, I agree with everything else you said about CJ, and it's very funny how he would rather forget about going after his childhood friend when he had already killed his other childhood friend. So Sweet's a provincial dumb ass while CJ's a perpetrator and a hypocrite (though not as hypocritical as Niko from GTA 4). Just what I was thinking. You know, in retrospect, this makes me think that Sweet is just asking to get killed. Why you think he contemplated accepting crack from a hoe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sGTA Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 GTA San Andreas is a great game in its own style. The story's not the strong point here. The things that makes the game are the features and the huge atmosphere. I mean let's face it. If we had a good storyline, we wouldn't get this huge atmosphere. So R* obviously had to choose one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyojinEM Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I hated the Back to LS story part However the SF,catalina and LV storyline were great CJ as protagonist is indeed weak The Dedito Gae 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabeRuth Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 It may be weak, but you have to give credit where credit is due, it's not as weak as V's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneLibertonian Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I think the storyline was decent, CJ b*tched a lot, but it made sense in the story. GTA V's story however is worse than SA, and not as enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimMiller Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 The storyline of GTA SanAndreas NEVER bothered me back then. Even the craz over the top missions like freefall or black project where pretty awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperGTFan Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Before big smoke betrayel , CJ was the " grove street 4 life " dude , but after sweet got out of prison , he is this " man what the hood have done to me , always dragging me down " dude . I always wondered at which point between those two events cj has given up on the hood life and started looking at the bigger picture ? Any ideas ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadrage19 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Before big smoke betrayel , CJ was the " grove street 4 life " dude , but after sweet got out of prison , he is this " man what the hood have done to me , always dragging me down " dude . I always wondered at which point between those two events cj has given up on the hood life and started looking at the bigger picture ? Any ideas ? I guess he just got so obsessed with his opulence that he decided to just simply ditch the hood. You'd have to be out of your mind to want to move back in the hood with all that cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haha365 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 For me, San Andreas was never about the story or how realistic things were. It was about having a lot of fun with the plethora of options given to you. To this day, no game has offered as much choice and variety in terms of gameplay. (At least on consoles) lil weasel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Smiley Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) For me, San Andreas was never about the story or how realistic things were. It was about having a lot of fun with the plethora of options given to you. To this day, no game has offered as much choice and variety in terms of gameplay. (At least on consoles) Agreed. The game play of gta sa was just so great in many ways. I kinda don't like it when people sometimes judge sa for not having the best graphics. Edited April 22, 2015 by GTA_The_Series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperGTFan Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 What about GTA TBOGT ? It looks like a highly modded GTA IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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