Cops kill another black teenager

[Smith John]

 

'mis-characteriZing'

Did you just try and correct my noble, righteous and pure British English spelling with disgusting American English tongue-filth? I should ban you outright for that.

 

Next you'll be forgetting "colour" has a "u" in it and calling aluminium "alooominum".

F*ck me...this guy actually DOES have a sense of humour!

[Melech]

You don't experience racism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SIINVfqnxw

So do I have to feel bad and guilty for being white? Being white makes me evil, racist and automatically privileged?

 

You and the guy of the video are racists.

[Fraizer]

 

and I guarantee you I could match it one to one.

 

You don't experience racism.To suggest that I don't experience racism because I'm white is pure ignorance.

 

The whole point I was making was that, yes Racism still happens, but immediately coming to the conclusion that stuff like this happens solely because of racism is just plain dumb.

 

Edit: Also, the topic title does nothing more than fuel those flames and scream Argument.

Edited August 13, 2014 by FRA1Z3R

[shhhhhhhhh]

Because it makes complete sense that after a man was shot and killed that we should start breaking the law in his name.

We hate and despise being stereotyped as a black culture but let's continue to add to the stereotype and act the way that other people think we do. Let's cast a more negative light on ourselves in the name of someone else. Set the "white" buildings on fire, destroy "white" businesses bc it was ONE white man who shot a black man. We'll call it justice and we'll drag every white person through the mud and condemn him for the color of his skin just as we were so unfairly done. Instead of rising above the senselessness of all the hate, let's stoop down just as low to prove a point.

I'm not black, but I do have common sense. And common sense tells me this is NOT the way to handle the situation. It is terrible and heartbreaking that this young man lost his life but always remember; there are 3 sides to every story. His, hers and the truth.

[Creed Bratton]

Ok. So you really think the cop just decided to murder a random person in the middle of the street in the middle of the day?

It happens a lot in America, so yes.

 

But that's oversimplifying. You're assuming that the cop is a role model citizen. That he's perfectly mentally healthy and that he's a "good guy" because he's a cop. And you're assuming that because a black teenager got killed he must have done something to deserve it.

 

The facts of the case indicate that there is something wrong with the cop. Maybe he's had a bad day and decided to harass someone. Maybe he's a racist and he's had a bad day. Maybe he's just mentally unstable. It could be any number of reasons. Another fact is that he had no reason to engage in any kind of conversation with those teenagers. He wasn't doing his job when he did that. He was intentionally harassing the citizens that he swore to protect. No reason for that whatsoever. He did it because he felt that he could. And then he murdered one of them. It is solely his fault.

Edited August 13, 2014 by The Yokel

[RandallFlagg00]

 

 

Ok. So you really think the cop just decided to murder a random person in the middle of the street in the middle of the day?

It happens a lot in America, so yes.

What planet do you live on where you think that's true?

[GunWrath]

I'm sure most of the people here thinking this was racially motivated hasn't even read the report or the article on this.

 

One of the two assailants pushed the officer into his squad car then a struggle began. Purely self-defense, no matter how you look at it. If you're being attacked by two people, I think we'd all reach for our weapon or expect the worst of the situation.

 

This officer was with this Ferguson PD for six years.. I'm sure he's been in and out of that same area countless times, so there's no reason to suspect this was a cold-blooded murder. Some of you need to pull your head out of your asses. Hopefully the FBI will clear this sh*t and this dude can go back to work.

 

If this was a white teenager, it would be a different story..

[RandallFlagg00]

 

 

Ok. So you really think the cop just decided to murder a random person in the middle of the street in the middle of the day?

It happens a lot in America, so yes.

 

But that's oversimplifying. You're assuming that the cop is a role model citizen. That he's perfectly mentally healthy and that he's a "good guy" because he's a cop. And you're assuming that because a black teenager got killed he must have done something to deserve it.

 

The facts of the case indicate that there is something wrong with the cop. Maybe he's had a bad day and decided to harass someone. Maybe he's a racist and he's had a bad day. Maybe he's just mentally unstable. It could be any number of reasons. Another fact is that he had no reason to engage in any kind of conversation with those teenagers. He wasn't doing his job when he did that. He was intentionally harassing the citizens that he swore to protect. No reason for that whatsoever. He did it because he felt that he could. And then he murdered one of them. It is solely his fault.

Total crap. He had reason to stop them because they were walking down the middle of the street. It doesn't make a difference if you're black, walk on the sidewalk. Once he stopped them, he was assaulted. Did you read any of the articles about this? You're just pulling stuff out of your ass and posting it. Read some news before you reply to this.

[Creed Bratton]

Total crap. He had reason to stop them because they were walking down the middle of the street. It doesn't make a difference if you're black, walk on the sidewalk. Once he stopped them, he was assaulted. Did you read any of the articles about this? You're just pulling stuff out of your ass and posting it. Read some news before you reply to this.

And this is f*ckin' retarded.

If someone is jaywalking, stopping them isn't a rational response. That's not solving the issue at all. If you have a problem with someone being on the street you shouldn't stop them. They'll still be on the f*ckin' street. He could have told them nicely to move to the sidewalk and go about his day. But that thought didn't even enter his mind.

He obviously wanted to harass them because he felt he had the power to do so. And when he approached them, if he truly was in any danger he could have used his non-lethal weapon. But he didn't. He chose to shoot an unarmed teen for jaywalking.

 

And he didn't attack the cop. All of the eyewitnesses are saying that the cop grabbed him. You don't get to grab someone for jaywalking. Just f*ckin' tell them to move. You shouldn't even pursue them or arrest them. And you sure as hell shouldn't shoot them. How the f*ck can anyone in their right mind think that this was good police work?

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

This thread has pretty much become a sh*t flinging contest.

[GunWrath]

This thread has pretty much become a sh*t flinging contest.

Yep.

[Raavi]

Don't fight the officer, stop and do as told, you instantly lose the moral high ground and with it any semblance of innocence when you attack the officer. Just let him do his job. If you feel like you've been treated unjust you can always file complaints, sue or whatever is the norm after the fact.

[RandallFlagg00]

 

 

Total crap. He had reason to stop them because they were walking down the middle of the street. It doesn't make a difference if you're black, walk on the sidewalk. Once he stopped them, he was assaulted. Did you read any of the articles about this? You're just pulling stuff out of your ass and posting it. Read some news before you reply to this.

And this is f*ckin' retarded.

If someone is jaywalking, stopping them isn't a rational response. That's not solving the issue at all. If you have a problem with someone being on the street you shouldn't stop them. They'll still be on the f*ckin' street. He could have told them nicely to move to the sidewalk and go about his day. But that thought didn't even enter his mind.

He obviously wanted to harass them because he felt he had the power to do so. And when he approached them, if he truly was in any danger he could have used his non-lethal weapon. But he didn't. He chose to shoot an unarmed teen for jaywalking.

 

And he didn't attack the cop. All of the eyewitnesses are saying that the cop grabbed him. You don't get to grab someone for jaywalking. Just f*ckin' tell them to move. You shouldn't even pursue them or arrest them. And you sure as hell shouldn't shoot them. How the f*ck can anyone in their right mind think that this was good police work?

Stop saying "all the witnesses." There was ONE real witness. And it was the guy's friend. Read the damn news before you keep replying. If you'd read anything you would know that he did just tell them to get out of the street and they said no. That's when the cop tried to get out of the car and the guy pushed him back into the car. Lets all try to stop with the name calling before this gets locked. I'll try to stop flinging sh*t cause I'm definitely one of the most guilty of that. I'll probably last one or two posts. Haha

[Kampioen]

So much denial of racism here.

[Twilight Sky]

Jaywalking? Damn the planet would be under arrest if cops took that seriously.

[hvcciookay]

Don't fight the officer, stop and do as told, you instantly lose the moral high ground and with it any semblance of innocence when you attack the officer. Just let him do his job. If you feel like you've been treated unjust you can always file complaints, sue or whatever is the norm after the fact.

 

You hit the nail on the head. I lived in St. Louis city and still work here after moving out a year ago (north city to be exact) when i first moved here in 2012, and i can assure those outside looking in, all that happens here is...

 

Officer(s): "Come over here and sit down"

 

Suspect/Perp/Instigator: "Man i ain't gotta do nothin, i ain't do anything. Yall can't arrest me" *Starts to walk away*

 

*Police grabs them and puts them on the ground*

 

Onlookers: "YALL WRONG FOR THAT HE AIN'T EVEN DO ANYTHING!"

 

Like seriously. Just comply and be on your way. It's hasn't boiled over at all and it's primarily in North City and County. Ferguson however is literally on the border of the city along with Jennings and other low-income "County" townships. I just call it part of the city just because of the proximity and how it is compared to the rest of the county. The rest of us in Clayton and further out west aren't affected by it and still go about our business as usual. It's going to suck that now i have to share a wal-mart with some more shady folk though.

 

For the record, i am black.

[make total destroy]

Please explain how an impoverished White person is any better off than in Impoverished Black person? Because according to the theory of White Privilege they should be but I don't see how.

 

I'm actually genuinely curious to hear your opinions ShootPeople. Because every time I have asked a question like this the only responses I have gotten are "There is no such thing as White poverty" "All white people are rich and privileged" Just dodging the question and not even answering it but Knowing you maybe I can get an actualy response that's at least halfway intelligent.

 

I personally would have given anything to have been born black. I was raised poor by a single mom in a black area but since I am white I never fit in and could never thrive socially.

Even white folks living in poverty, no matter how rough they have it--and make no mistake, there's white folks in the US who are hurting bad too--they are still afforded privileges that even black folks who live well above the poverty line are not. For instance, you're far less likely to be stopped and searched by the police, you're far less likely to be arrested. convicted, and sentenced for a crime, or can at least expect to face a lesser sentence. And If convicted and sentenced, you're far less likely to face the death penalty. You may not find it as hard to find decent housing, and you're less likely to experience problems at school. And again, that isn't to say there isn't problems facing poor whites--there is--but racial discrimination is definitely not one of those problems.

 

I really wish ShootPeopleNotDope would respond to my question i asked him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASEeevh2r60

 

 

So do I have to feel bad and guilty for being white? Being white makes me evil, racist and automatically privileged?

 

You and the guy of the video are racists.

 

No, you don't, and no one said it makes you "evil". You should just recognize that you're afforded privileges that people of color are not--at least within the context of American society. It's really that simple.

 

Newsflash: Tim Wise is white. I am white. I'm pretty sure I don't hate white people, but okay. Even if I did, racism is a little bit more than hatred and ignorance.

 

 

I'm sure most of the people here thinking this was racially motivated hasn't even read the report or the article on this.

 

One of the two assailants pushed the officer into his squad car then a struggle began.

According to the officer who killed Mike, yeah, that's what happened. According to every single eye-witness that's been interviewed, nothing of that sort happened.

 

 

To suggest that I don't experience racism because I'm white is pure ignorance.

 

Not within the context of American society, it's not. Because you don't.

 

 

Don't fight the officer, stop and do as told, you instantly lose the moral high ground and with it any semblance of innocence when you attack the officer. Just let him do his job. If you feel like you've been treated unjust you can always file complaints, sue or whatever is the norm after the fact.

That assumes Mike Brown actually tried to fight the officer. So far, the department is the only one claiming this. Every single eye-witness account refutes the department's version of events. And from peronal experience, I can assure you that filing complaints against police officers is pretty much a giant waste of time.

Edited August 13, 2014 by ShootPeopleNotDope

[Special Members]

Even if the black guy did try to attack the officer, shooting with bullets is overdoing it. Use a tazer. And there are tons of other examples where cops, especially in America, abuse their power and are racist.

[bread]

Even if the black guy did try to attack the officer, shooting with bullets is overdoing it. Use a tazer. And there are tons of other examples where cops, especially in America, abuse their power and are racist.

Not all police departments in America have their officers equipped with tazers.

[Kampioen]

 

Even if the black guy did try to attack the officer, shooting with bullets is overdoing it. Use a tazer. And there are tons of other examples where cops, especially in America, abuse their power and are racist.

Not all police departments in America have their officers equipped with tazers.

 

 

Then shoot him in the leg or something. There is absolutely no legitimate excuse to kill an unarmed teenager.

[GunWrath]

Because in the moment of complete distress, aim for the leg when you're being mauled on.. that sounds about right.

 

The officer was well within his right to use his firearm. You'd do the same if you were being attacked.. it's called self defense. Luckily, we live in a country where we still have that, where we as human beings, we can defend ourselves from direct threats and attackers.

 

Police officers are no different.. they're trained more than a civilian in what to do in certain situations, if he used his weapon, he had a damn good reason. Same as any responsible adult that carries.

 

Can defend the dead kid all you want but he should have kept his cool. One less dumbass on the streets, take it how you want.

[Kampioen]

Because in the moment of complete distress, aim for the leg when you're being mauled on.. that sounds about right.

 

The officer was well within his right to use his firearm. You'd do the same if you were being attacked.. it's called self defense. Luckily, we live in a country where we still have that, where we as human beings, we can defend ourselves from direct threats and attackers.

 

Police officers are no different.. they're trained more than a civilian in what to do in certain situations, if he used his weapon, he had a damn good reason. Same as any responsible adult that carries.

 

Can defend the dead kid all you want but he should have kept his cool. One less dumbass on the streets, take it how you want.

 

Luckily I don't live in that country. Being mauled on? What are you talking about? Are you seriously trying to say that the only way to defend yourself from an unarmed teenager (even if he was under attack, which will have to be shown) is to kill him?

 

You're ridiculously insenstive about a young man being killed. Even if he was being a dumbass and even if he assaulted the cop with everything he had, a policeman should be trained to take him down in a non-lethal way. And yes, this is possible. Cops here (Holland) very rarely kill somebody and they come across crazed lunatics all the time as well. American cops are trigger happy and there's no ifs, ands or buts about it. It's f*cking disgusting. I thought the US was supposed to be a civilized nation.

[make total destroy]

 

 

The officer was well within his right to use his firearm. You'd do the same if you were being attacked.. it's called self defense. Luckily, we live in a country where we still have that, where we as human beings, we can defend ourselves from direct threats and attackers.

 

 

Surely if the cop was being attacked in his car, there would be dash-cam footage to prove it, no?

 

 

Where is this footage? What about the eye-witnesses and their version of events? Do they just mean nothing now?

Can defend the dead kid all you want but he should have kept his cool. One less dumbass on the streets, take it how you want.

This "dumbass" would have just started college.

[Kampioen]

Look at his name, that should tell you enough. This guy has violent mentality.

[bread]

Because in the moment of complete distress, aim for the leg when you're being mauled on.. that sounds about right.

 

The officer was well within his right to use his firearm. You'd do the same if you were being attacked.. it's called self defense. Luckily, we live in a country where we still have that, where we as human beings, we can defend ourselves from direct threats and attackers.

 

Police officers are no different.. they're trained more than a civilian in what to do in certain situations, if he used his weapon, he had a damn good reason. Same as any responsible adult that carries.

 

Can defend the dead kid all you want but he should have kept his cool. One less dumbass on the streets, take it how you want.

Your argument is terrible. Also, "dumbass"? Considering the fact that he was on his way to college, I wouldn't deem him as a dumbass. Most people in his neighborhood probably didn't even attend college. At least he's trying to better himself, whereas you're sitting at home, slating on him on an internet forum as if you knew him.

 

I also want to add, but Brown's friend who was with him at the time of his death said that he surrendered. At a police stop. A stop that had no justification and reasoning behind it.

[GTA_stu]

The fact that he passed highschool and had the potential to go to college doesn't really mean a whole lot. If you assault a police officer then you're a dumbass in my book. It doesn't matter if your IQ is 200 or 20, you're still a dumbass.

[make total destroy]

The fact that he passed highschool and had the potential to go to college doesn't really mean a whole lot. If you assault a police officer then you're a dumbass in my book. It doesn't matter if your IQ is 200 or 20, you're still a dumbass.

And again, except for the officer's word, there's literally no evidence Brown attacked the officer. In fact, every single witness account completely contradicts the department's version of events.

[Nick1020]

I find it very farfetched that a cop would kill someone for no apparent reason. The police report said he was after the gun which is an automatic gunshot. I hope the witnesses are for sure what they seen.

[GTAVfan17]

I find it very farfetched that a cop would kill someone for no apparent reason. The police report said he was after the gun which is an automatic gunshot. I hope the witnesses are for sure what they seen.

There is a reason, it's called White Supremacy.

[make total destroy]

I find it very farfetched that a cop would kill someone for no apparent reason. The police report said he was after the gun which is an automatic gunshot. I hope the witnesses are for sure what they seen.

Would you find it so far-fetched if the victim was white? Have you considered that police training breeds overly-aggressive, anti-social behavior? Or that police work naturally attracts sociopaths?