Pretend that S A didn't have any of the features of CJ

[Osho]

OP is a dumbass; plain and simple!

R* introduced some of the unique and interesting features in SA simply to show how 'hood life' feels like.

I mean, its so obvious during the early missions, when CJ learns how the gang members are recognised by their hood clothing, gangsta physique, etc.

So to pretend CJ without any of the customizations, seems to be retarded thought, to say the least.

I absolutely will not do that.

Its like saying, Tommy would be a mediocre character if R* didn't mash the empire building aspect into his tale of revenge, or if the story wasn't set in the 80s, but continued in the LC!!!!

Sounds ridiculous, isn't it?

CJ doing all the customizations aren't an immersion breaker but something players can optionally DO when seen from the perspective of living the hood life.

It was just perfect and something the players could never imagine doing as Tommy, Claude nor Niko.

[watersgta3]

OP is a dumbass; plain and simple!

R* introduced some of the unique and interesting features in SA simply to show how 'hood life' feels like.

I mean, its so obvious during the early missions, when CJ learns how the gang members are recognised by their hood clothing, gangsta physique, etc.

So to pretend CJ without any of the customizations, seems to be retarded thought, to say the least.

I absolutely will not do that.

Its like saying, Tommy would be a mediocre character if R* didn't mash the empire building aspect into his tale of revenge, or if the story wasn't set in the 80s, but continued in the LC!!!!

Sounds ridiculous, isn't it?

CJ doing all the customizations aren't an immersion breaker but something players can optionally DO when seen from the perspective of living the hood life.

It was just perfect and something the players could never imagine doing as Tommy, Claude nor Niko.

Do you enjoy stomping on the throats of people who have an opposite opinion of yours?

[Osho]

 

OP is a dumbass; plain and simple! R* introduced some of the unique and interesting features in SA simply to show how 'hood life' feels like. I mean, its so obvious during the early missions, when CJ learns how the gang members are recognised by their hood clothing, gangsta physique, etc. So to pretend CJ without any of the customizations, seems to be retarded thought, to say the least. I absolutely will not do that. Its like saying, Tommy would be a mediocre character if R* didn't mash the empire building aspect into his tale of revenge, or if the story wasn't set in the 80s, but continued in the LC!!!! Sounds ridiculous, isn't it? CJ doing all the customizations aren't an immersion breaker but something players can optionally DO when seen from the perspective of living the hood life. It was just perfect and something the players could never imagine doing as Tommy, Claude nor Niko.

Do you enjoy stomping on the throats of people who have an opposite opinion of yours?Then try to counter my points with reasonable arguments?

Every GTA fan understands that Rockstar attempts to make the setting as believable and real as possible. SA being set during the 90's at the height of the gang warfare, obviously these customizations and features made perfect sense and supposed to represent the gang life more closely through the characters storyline in Los Santos.

Just like my example of Tommy, some of these Customizations would never make much sense for Tommy in Vice City, more than the empire building aspect which was relevant to his storyline as a character.

Basically, OP doesn't make any sense, thus there is no question about difference of opinion here, since its all about the setting and the story where one can easily get the idea behind introducing these things to make the game much more immersive through the character.

[Boyz2Society]

 

 

OP is a dumbass; plain and simple! R* introduced some of the unique and interesting features in SA simply to show how 'hood life' feels like. I mean, its so obvious during the early missions, when CJ learns how the gang members are recognised by their hood clothing, gangsta physique, etc. So to pretend CJ without any of the customizations, seems to be retarded thought, to say the least. I absolutely will not do that. Its like saying, Tommy would be a mediocre character if R* didn't mash the empire building aspect into his tale of revenge, or if the story wasn't set in the 80s, but continued in the LC!!!! Sounds ridiculous, isn't it? CJ doing all the customizations aren't an immersion breaker but something players can optionally DO when seen from the perspective of living the hood life. It was just perfect and something the players could never imagine doing as Tommy, Claude nor Niko.

Do you enjoy stomping on the throats of people who have an opposite opinion of yours?

Then try to counter my points with reasonable arguments?

Every GTA fan understands that Rockstar attempts to make the setting as believable and real as possible. SA being set during the 90's at the height of the gang warfare, obviously these customizations and features made perfect sense and supposed to represent the gang life more closely through the characters storyline in Los Santos.

Just like my example of Tommy, some of these Customizations would never make much sense for Tommy in Vice City, more than the empire building aspect which was relevant to his storyline as a character.

Basically, OP doesn't make any sense, thus there is no question about difference of opinion here, since its all about the setting and the story where one can easily get the idea behind introducing these things to make the game much more immersive through the character.

Why don't you chill the f*ck out?! You're getting defensive over a character from a video game.

 

"OP is a dumbass. Plain and simple."

 

Grow up.

[Osho]

 

Do you enjoy stomping on the throats of people who have an opposite opinion of yours?

Why don't you chill the f*ck out?! You're getting defensive over a character from a video game.

From the tone of your post it does seem you just exploded: it's no wonder you're getting upset over a discussion..and need to stay out if you have nothing to talk on topic.

Edited June 22, 2015 by Osho

[Boyz2Society]

 

 

Do you enjoy stomping on the throats of people who have an opposite opinion of yours?

Why don't you chill the f*ck out?! You're getting defensive over a character from a video game.

From the tone of your post it does seem you just exploded: it's no wonder you're getting upset over a discussion..and need to stay out if you have nothing to talk on topic.What tone? Can you hear my post as soon as I post it? You're the one who exploded in your original post my friend. Like I said, chill the f*ck out with that bullsh*t. You need to grow the f*ck up too. You attack everybody like this in other topics because you're so defensive over a fictional character and the game itself. Edited June 22, 2015 by Boyz2Society

[Paul723]

 

 

 

Do you enjoy stomping on the throats of people who have an opposite opinion of yours?

Why don't you chill the f*ck out?! You're getting defensive over a character from a video game.

From the tone of your post it does seem you just exploded: it's no wonder you're getting upset over a discussion..and need to stay out if you have nothing to talk on topic.What tone? Can you hear my post as soon as I post it? You're the one who exploded in your original post my friend. Like I said, chill the f*ck out with that bullsh*t. You need to grow the f*ck up too. You attack everybody like this in other topics because you're so defensive over a fictional character and the game itself.Just ignore that asshole. He does the same sh*t in every other post. In the topic about Ryder, he vehemently crushed the other users' windpipes just because they liked him. He defends a fictional character and hates on anyone who like another fictional character he hates. So don't bother replying to his dogmatic ass. He's unable to be reasoned with.

[Osho]

 

 

Do you enjoy stomping on the throats of people who have an opposite opinion of yours?

Why don't you chill the f*ck out?! You're getting defensive over a character from a video game.

What tone? Can you hear my post as soon as I post it? Lol ..dumbass. The fact that you felt the need to post not a word on topic itself shows that you just exploded over a matter that was simply directed towards OP as a response on topic, and not at you.

Like I said, chill the f*ck out with that bullsh*t. You need to grow the f*ck up too.

Yeah...Like you are going to shoot a bullet right through the screen and kill me if I don't listen to you..lol

Who are you trolling kid??

[Veigar.]

I like him; character wise he's unique to the series.

[Son of Zeus]

Let's be real. People only like CJ because you can do a lot with him.

Next time remember to put an 'IMO' when you post things like this.

 

Because posting it like a fact makes you look stupid.

[Boyz2Society]

 

 

 

Do you enjoy stomping on the throats of people who have an opposite opinion of yours?

Why don't you chill the f*ck out?! You're getting defensive over a character from a video game.

What tone? Can you hear my post as soon as I post it? Lol ..dumbass. The fact that you felt the need to post not a word on topic itself shows that you just exploded over a matter that was simply directed towards OP as a response on topic, and not at you.

Like I said, chill the f*ck out with that bullsh*t. You need to grow the f*ck up too.

Yeah...Like you are going to shoot a bullet right through the screen and kill me if I don't listen to you..lol

Who are you trolling kid??

You brought it up my extremely irate friend. Not me. All I told you is that you need to chill out and grow up because you're getting upset and defensive over a peripheral character from a video game when it's not even a big deal. You're the one acting childish right now. You do this sh*t in nearly every other topic. Not only do you defend a character and the game in general, you also flame other people when they talk about another character you hate. Based on all this, you're querulous, dogmatic, verbally belligerent, and extremely presumptuous. Never in my life have I known anyone with this egregious misbehavior over some of the most peripheral sh*t ever, especially not over the Internet. Good luck finding life champ. You're in desperate need of one. Peace. Edited June 22, 2015 by Boyz2Society

[roadrage19]

 

 

 

Do you enjoy stomping on the throats of people who have an opposite opinion of yours?

Why don't you chill the f*ck out?! You're getting defensive over a character from a video game.

What tone? Can you hear my post as soon as I post it? Lol ..dumbass. The fact that you felt the need to post not a word on topic itself shows that you just exploded over a matter that was simply directed towards OP as a response on topic, and not at you.

Like I said, chill the f*ck out with that bullsh*t. You need to grow the f*ck up too.

Yeah...Like you are going to shoot a bullet right through the screen and kill me if I don't listen to you..lol

Who are you trolling kid??

You have officially lost your mind, kid (if you even had one to begin with). Edited June 23, 2015 by roadrage19

[Osho]

 

 

 

Do you enjoy stomping on the throats of people who have an opposite opinion of yours?

Why don't you chill the f*ck out?! You're getting defensive over a character from a video game.

What tone? Can you hear my post as soon as I post it? You brought it up my extremely irate friend. Not me. No. Your failure to counter my points as always grew irate with every new desperate attempt of your need to act like a drama queen than actually talk something that makes sense. Loser.

All I told you is that you need to chill out and grow up because you're getting upset and defensive over a peripheral character from a video game when it's not even a big deal

If its not a big deal than why are you acting so over dramatic about this?

I am always chilled out, and there's nothing wrong in being defensive ( are u mad or what? This is a discussion forum ) and always speak relevant to the topic, unlike you.

So yeah, you should look at yourself crybaby, and need to grow up and act maturely first over the internet and follow your own words than lecture others about the same.

Based on all this, you're querulous, dogmatic, verbally belligerent, and extremely presumptuous.

Based on countless occasions you got your ass handed to you by many SA fans here, you again failed to think and contribute to the discussions, than just post the same old record for everyone who often call bullsh*t on trolls like YOU!

You seriously need help

[fluffydude51]

I disagree. I may sometimes bash CJ about being unexperienced or a wimp, but in reality, CJ was probably the perfect choice for GTA San Andreas.

 

A young boy from the ghetto that returns to his hometown to burry his mother, only to be harassed by corrupt officers and be caught in the middle of a gang warfare, and later have his brother sent to prison. By the end of the game, that same boy will be a millionaire, owning several business accross the state (including a share in a casino), having powerful friends, will eventually become a black version Rambo, his brother will be freed from prison thanks to him, will exact revenge on the people who betrayed him, and will gain everyone's respect. It sounds too good to be true, but CJ did it all!

 

Rockstar had in mind that CJ is young and has zero experience in the things he's going to be involved (unlike Tommy and Claude, both of whom are experienced career criminals), so they built in a skill system for weapons and cars, among other things. As annoying as it can be, it's genius. In the beginning of the game, CJ is out of shape, an awful shooter and an awful driver. He only knows how to fight from the ghetto... But as you progress further, he becomes better and better in every way possible. From an amateur, CJ eventually becomes a professional, and masters various skills in different areas, becoming a "true" GTA protagonist.

 

Let's not forget that CJ was also the first black protagonist of the series. It was a pretty controversial decision at the time, so they had to be carefull with such a drastic change. Unlike Claude and Tommy, both of whom are portrayed as vicious killing machines, Carl is much more peaceful and merciful person. He would avoid a fight whenever he can and would usually try to do what's right (despite being forced to do the exact opposite). The whole story resolves around loyalty for the hood, betrayal, and getting your brother out of prison, while trying to survive the harsh world of San Andreas. CJ never loses his cool, despite being surrounded by various crazy people that can drive anyone insane. I think he did more than okay as the first black protagonist and paved the way for other black characters as well.

 

In conclusion, I'm pretty certain CJ was supposed to be different in contrast to the ruthless killers before and since. He fits in his game just perfectly. Yes, he wasn't as experienced as all the other GTA protagonists, and may sometimes seem naive - but he's got heart, and he showed it on more than one occasion. Most importantly, he proved to everyone that he ain't a "busta", and stayed true to himself, his friends, and his family throughout the whole game, which speaks a lot. Love him or hate him, you gotta respect him

 

Well typed it almost brought a tear to my eye

[Boyz2Society]

 

 

 

 

Do you enjoy stomping on the throats of people who have an opposite opinion of yours?

Why don't you chill the f*ck out?! You're getting defensive over a character from a video game.

What tone? Can you hear my post as soon as I post it?

You brought it up my extremely irate friend. Not me. No. Your failure to counter my points as always grew irate with every new desperate attempt of your need to act like a drama queen than actually talk something that makes sense. Loser.

All I told you is that you need to chill out and grow up because you're getting upset and defensive over a peripheral character from a video game when it's not even a big deal

If its not a big deal than why are you acting so over dramatic about this?

I am always chilled out, and there's nothing wrong in being defensive ( are u mad or what? This is a discussion forum ) and always speak relevant to the topic, unlike you.

So yeah, you should look at yourself crybaby, and need to grow up and act maturely first over the internet and follow your own words than lecture others about the same.

Based on all this, you're querulous, dogmatic, verbally belligerent, and extremely presumptuous.

Based on countless occasions you got your ass handed to you by many SA fans here, you again failed to think and contribute to the discussions, than just post the same old record for everyone who often call bullsh*t on trolls like YOU!

You seriously need help

You're still talking like a child and making presumptuous illusions to back up your untenable contentions. You're the drama queen my amigo, because you're the one who called the OP a dumbass over a character you continuously defend. I'm a crybaby? Can you even hear the tone of my comments I post on here?

 

"You're got your ass handed to you by many SA fans here."

 

In what way? Nobody on this topic was talking sh*t to me to begin with. You're the one acting overly dramatic my friend. You defend the story at a point where you talk sh*t to others who point out a few flaws of the video game. Then you vilify other people for liking a character you have a blatant animosity towards. That's what I call a supercilious prick who instigates gratuitous arguments over peripheral sh*t in the most belligerent manner. Your tirades don't faze me a bit. You're just exacerbating your immaturity while running out of real retorts. All I was saying was that if you disagree with the OP, that's cool. But don't go calling people childish names over a video game character, especially since you had already made two posts prior to your current post roughly a year ago. You'll sound less of a querulous drama queen that way. So just chill out and squash it already, alright man? This whole debate is tactless. We cool now?

Edited June 23, 2015 by Boyz2Society

[Osho]

Your tirades don't faze me a bit.

Because just making fake accounts in the name of others does the trick.

 

watersgta3 - 01 Jul 2014

GTA19somethin - 10 Jul 2014

Boyz2Society - 23 Jul 2014

Paul723 - 11 Aug 2014

roadrage19 - 24 Sep 2014

 

As often I found this entire group suspicious centered on debating a lot against anyone having the most extreme and opposite views, and then insulting further who disagree.

I could be wrong but I am anyways going to report this further for the mods to verify, seeing how you and the group always keep spewing off- topic sh*t and derailing every thread.

[Boyz2Society]

 

Your tirades don't faze me a bit.

Because just making fake accounts in the name of others does the trick.

 

watersgta3 - 01 Jul 2014

GTA19somethin - 10 Jul 2014

Boyz2Society - 23 Jul 2014

Paul723 - 11 Aug 2014

roadrage19 - 24 Sep 2014

 

As often I found this entire group suspicious centered on debating a lot against anyone having the most extreme and opposite views, and then insulting further who disagree.

I could be wrong but I am anyways going to report this further for the mods to verify, seeing how you and the group always keep spewing off- topic sh*t and derailing every thread.

Cool story, bro.

[Rollin69]

OP is a dumbass; plain and simple!

R* introduced some of the unique and interesting features in SA simply to show how 'hood life' feels like.

I mean, its so obvious during the early missions, when CJ learns how the gang members are recognised by their hood clothing, gangsta physique, etc.

So to pretend CJ without any of the customizations, seems to be retarded thought, to say the least.

I absolutely will not do that.

Its like saying, Tommy would be a mediocre character if R* didn't mash the empire building aspect into his tale of revenge, or if the story wasn't set in the 80s, but continued in the LC!!!!

Sounds ridiculous, isn't it?

CJ doing all the customizations aren't an immersion breaker but something players can optionally DO when seen from the perspective of living the hood life.

It was just perfect and something the players could never imagine doing as Tommy, Claude nor Niko.

CJ is a badass with or without the customizations. He's the greatest character in GTA history, second is Niko. I will always hate that douche Tommy even if he had the customizations. I hate him because he is a asshole to everybody. He always yells at Ken and mistreats everybody else. Worst character ever. But CJ and everybody else were the greatest. Also, every character in GTA San Andreas were great, except for Ryder. He was/is the worst character of the whole game. He's an unmemorable light-skinned douche who should've been taken completely off this game. He ruined the first half of the story for all of us. If he wasn't in the game, GTA San Andreas would be perfect.

[BlackSnow176]

 

I disagree. I may sometimes bash CJ about being unexperienced or a wimp, but in reality, CJ was probably the perfect choice for GTA San Andreas.

 

A young boy from the ghetto that returns to his hometown to burry his mother, only to be harassed by corrupt officers and be caught in the middle of a gang warfare, and later have his brother sent to prison. By the end of the game, that same boy will be a millionaire, owning several business accross the state (including a share in a casino), having powerful friends, will eventually become a black version Rambo, his brother will be freed from prison thanks to him, will exact revenge on the people who betrayed him, and will gain everyone's respect. It sounds too good to be true, but CJ did it all!

 

Rockstar had in mind that CJ is young and has zero experience in the things he's going to be involved (unlike Tommy and Claude, both of whom are experienced career criminals), so they built in a skill system for weapons and cars, among other things. As annoying as it can be, it's genius. In the beginning of the game, CJ is out of shape, an awful shooter and an awful driver. He only knows how to fight from the ghetto... But as you progress further, he becomes better and better in every way possible. From an amateur, CJ eventually becomes a professional, and masters various skills in different areas, becoming a "true" GTA protagonist.

 

Let's not forget that CJ was also the first black protagonist of the series. It was a pretty controversial decision at the time, so they had to be carefull with such a drastic change. Unlike Claude and Tommy, both of whom are portrayed as vicious killing machines, Carl is much more peaceful and merciful person. He would avoid a fight whenever he can and would usually try to do what's right (despite being forced to do the exact opposite). The whole story resolves around loyalty for the hood, betrayal, and getting your brother out of prison, while trying to survive the harsh world of San Andreas. CJ never loses his cool, despite being surrounded by various crazy people that can drive anyone insane. I think he did more than okay as the first black protagonist and paved the way for other black characters as well.

 

In conclusion, I'm pretty certain CJ was supposed to be different in contrast to the ruthless killers before and since. He fits in his game just perfectly. Yes, he wasn't as experienced as all the other GTA protagonists, and may sometimes seem naive - but he's got heart, and he showed it on more than one occasion. Most importantly, he proved to everyone that he ain't a "busta", and stayed true to himself, his friends, and his family throughout the whole game, which speaks a lot. Love him or hate him, you gotta respect him

 

Well typed it almost brought a tear to my eye

 

 

Thank you

[lil weasel]

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