Paul723 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Let's be real. People only like CJ because you can do a lot with him. You could give him a haircut and tattoos, make him buff, learn fighting styles, and maximize his stats. Be honest. If CJ didn't have any of the customizations, he would be a very mediocre protagonist. The Dedito Gae 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) It would be Vice City or GTA III. Each game is supposed to be an improvement on the previous. It was just too bad for us that the IV and V only looked better, no real improvement on play, maybe a step back. Edited August 12, 2014 by lil weasel Kafonix, GTA-Biker, nursemorph273 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA19somethin Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I kinda feel the same. Take away the gym, the fighting styles, and the stats and you got a mediocre protagonist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroBrineR007 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Hey hey hey, it's Mister V. Way bettah than CJ The Dedito Gae 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Leone Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 CJ is a Luis tier protagonist. It's ironic that he felt more like an avatar than Claude did, when Claude was supposed to be the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 CJ is a mediocre protagonist even with all the customisation he has available to him. StoneCold-Y2J and The Dedito Gae 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fefenc Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) CJ is so much better than every HD protagonist and if he wouldn't had all that customizations options like Niko, he still would kick Niko's ass. Niko is ranty, keep blaming Murica for everything and his rants get annoying with time, but his SP history is good, not as good as SA. Michael is a Jail bitch. All Franklin does is iron his clothes. Trevor is a retarded psycopath that lacks his mom's attention and he's needed to kill another protagonist in a stupid way to show he's crazy. Johnny was a f*cking badass on TLAD, bu he sucked ass on V and he's died in a lame way. Luis is the only HD protag that comes close to CJ awesomeness. Edited August 13, 2014 by fefenc WindowsExPee, Sneakerhead., UshaB and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osho Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 If we're going to argue which protagonist is the mediocre character, based on 'customization', then Claude, Tommy, Niko are automatically the winners here, because you don't need to pretend! CJ was one of those characters that was very easy to like and his story was good. CJ represents the hood, the member of the Grove street gang and there's a reason why these customizations were introduced. I find this 'customization' part silly to pretend. Captain Delitian, X/R// and latigreblue 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The replies are drifting away from the title: "Pretend that San Andreas didn't have any of the features of CJ", which I read as: If CJ wasn't a paper doll, didn't have tattoos, couldn't climb or swim. et cetera. These features are what made the game. It wouldn't matter who the *STAR* featured character was. Look how frustrating the previous games were without the ability to step over high curbs, and climb, and especially not to drown when the water was deeper than the characters feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osho Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Well, I replied to the 'customization' part of the original post to the topic! But, I agree on what you said, completely Not sure, why people keep bitching about GTA SA with so much negativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAVILLAIN Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 now pretend GTA V trying hard not to add anything from GTA SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustmeifyoucan Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) No, he isn't an ordinary protagonist. His quotes are epic and awesome . Also he is loyal to all his friends. And yeah, he is a GANGSTA. Because of people think gangsta theme in SA is needless, you can't call him an ordinary protagonist. Yes, he is very clumsy about vehicles, even if you drive very well. But he has his own style. He is such a badass . That's why we love him, CJ 4Life Edited January 9, 2015 by Bustmeifyoucan Captain Delitian and D9fred95 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 SA without CJ would be lame StoneCold-Y2J, Son of Zeus, nursemorph273 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustmeifyoucan Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 SA without CJ would be lame I definitely agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillBellic Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 It would be just like GTA's III, and VC in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khsh97 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 SA without CJ would be lameI agree with you. No protagonist other than CJ can fit in SA. Claude, tommy etc even with all the customization in SA would be lame. CJ fits petfectly in SA. SanAndreas4life as well cj4life......!!! Son of Zeus, UshaB, StoneCold-Y2J and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna 51 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Yes another reason was both Tommy and Claude once work for the mob (CJ did too but it was temporary), getting tattoos and all that wouldn't fit for both really because who they worked for, the theme, city etc if you play as them. Edited January 13, 2015 by s2n vaniish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuSsIeThUnDeR36 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Well I play SA without bothering about the gym, getting tattoos and I might change CJ's hair a couple of times but it's not a game changer. It doesn't matter about whether you can make CJ muscly, fat, or whatever. I think the main thing is, SA is set in 1992, parodies the 92 LA riot thing and it would be weird if the PROTAG was white. It had to be an African American with the whole rags to riches storyline. lil weasel, Captain Delitian, UshaB and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UshaB Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 ^The Aussie's got a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillBellic Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Well I play SA without bothering about the gym, getting tattoos and I might change CJ's hair a couple of times but it's not a game changer. It doesn't matter about whether you can make CJ muscly, fat, or whatever. I think the main thing is, SA is set in 1992, parodies the 92 LA riot thing and it would be weird if the PROTAG was white. It had to be an African American with the whole rags to riches storyline. Furthermore, if you collected all 50 oysters, I believe those stats became null, and void, when it came to the girlfriends in SA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flesh-n-Bone Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I like CJ because of his story, sense of humor and awesome one liners, which is pretty much the reason I like any character in these series. The customization is only an added bonus to 'perfect' him. All this "take away X and Y would suck" nonsense needs to stop. "Take away the storyline and graphics and IV sucks" "Take away the new features from VC and it sucks" "Take away the 3D view from III and it sucks" "Take away the freedom and violence and GTA as a game will suck" Every game has its good and bad that is unique to it, stripping them off of it is just grasping at straws so you can complain about a nonexistent problem. Captain Delitian, /\rdooZ, Son of Zeus and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuSsIeThUnDeR36 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 If you took all the features away from the character then basically CJ would fall off the bike or motorcycle a lot more often. San Andreas would just become a driving simulator more or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sGTA Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 CJ would be just like Tommy and Claude. Not personality wise, but also not looked at as a badass. I mean he was kinda a badass, but compare CJ to Tommy in terms of personality and people would like Tommy better had CJ not have those features (ex: working out, customization, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/\rdooZ Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 The whole topic is so,so dumb. I don't really think that anybody likes cj becauses he goes to gym. Anyways the whole "remove this from a game" is pointless. Remove crime from GTA and let's see if it's one of the most praised franchise of all time. Captain Delitian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dedito Gae Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I would like him more, CJ skin is a mess, would look better if he was rigged to certain body mass instead of all the clothes looking stretched because he has a weight problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nah nah nah Gta 6 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Then SA would be a VC clone with a bigger map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M0rk Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 With or Without the customization, CJ is still a busta. Nah nah nah Gta 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSnow176 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) I disagree. I may sometimes bash CJ about being unexperienced or a wimp, but in reality, CJ was probably the perfect choice for GTA San Andreas. A young boy from the ghetto that returns to his hometown to burry his mother, only to be harassed by corrupt officers and be caught in the middle of a gang warfare, and later have his brother sent to prison. By the end of the game, that same boy will be a millionaire, owning several business accross the state (including a share in a casino), having powerful friends, will eventually become a black version Rambo, his brother will be freed from prison thanks to him, will exact revenge on the people who betrayed him, and will gain everyone's respect. It sounds too good to be true, but CJ did it all! Rockstar had in mind that CJ is young and has zero experience in the things he's going to be involved (unlike Tommy and Claude, both of whom are experienced career criminals), so they built in a skill system for weapons and cars, among other things. As annoying as it can be, it's genius. In the beginning of the game, CJ is out of shape, an awful shooter and an awful driver. He only knows how to fight from the ghetto... But as you progress further, he becomes better and better in every way possible. From an amateur, CJ eventually becomes a professional, and masters various skills in different areas, becoming a "true" GTA protagonist. Let's not forget that CJ was also the first black protagonist of the series. It was a pretty controversial decision at the time, so they had to be carefull with such a drastic change. Unlike Claude and Tommy, both of whom are portrayed as vicious killing machines, Carl is much more peaceful and merciful person. He would avoid a fight whenever he can and would usually try to do what's right (despite being forced to do the exact opposite). The whole story resolves around loyalty for the hood, betrayal, and getting your brother out of prison, while trying to survive the harsh world of San Andreas. CJ never loses his cool, despite being surrounded by various crazy people that can drive anyone insane. I think he did more than okay as the first black protagonist and paved the way for other black characters as well. In conclusion, I'm pretty certain CJ was supposed to be different in contrast to the ruthless killers before and since. He fits in his game just perfectly. Yes, he wasn't as experienced as all the other GTA protagonists, and may sometimes seem naive - but he's got heart, and he showed it on more than one occasion. Most importantly, he proved to everyone that he ain't a "busta", and stayed true to himself, his friends, and his family throughout the whole game, which speaks a lot. Love him or hate him, you gotta respect him Edited June 21, 2015 by BlackSnow176 Osho and LeonTheKiller 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamesBoy316 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) CJ was a huge part of San Andreas. Even if he didn't have the customization, he'd still be a great character. Edited June 21, 2015 by GamesBoy316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thafablifee46 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 CJ was one of my favorite characters of 3d era. He was better than other characters cause he actually felt like he had emotions. My opinion tho AuSsIeThUnDeR36 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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