H-G Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) On 1/13/2020 at 11:07 PM, universetwisters said: What proof is there of CJ being alive post 1992 other than easter eggs? Now what if I told you... there's this? As you can see, despite this album being released in 1990, it was digitally remastered which couldn't have happened without CJ's management. This proves CJ is indeed still alive, in one way or another. Your theory is already dead, pal. Edited February 10, 2020 by The Eddo The Made Man 1 H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, The Eddo said: Now what if I told you... there's this? As you can see, despite this album being released in 1990, it was digitally remastered which couldn't have happened without CJ's management. This proves CJ is indeed still alive, in one way or another. Your theory is already dead, pal. If you kept backing it up now, it'll hit a street pole, LOL. >implying Madd Dogg can’t get a new manager from the record company >implying managers themselves make the decision to remaster old albums and not the record companies >trying to pass off an old billboard that’s clearly tearing up as contemporary I get you’re trying to prove my theory wrong and that’s fine because it encourages a good discussion but could you please keep the witty comments to yourself while presenting an argument that can be countered with some common sense and still doesn’t prove that CJ was alive post 1992 MrPikmin16 and Honker1944 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, universetwisters said: >implying Madd Dogg can’t get a new manager from the record company >implying managers themselves make the decision to remaster old albums and not the record companies >trying to pass off an old billboard that’s clearly tearing up as contemporary I get you’re trying to prove my theory wrong and that’s fine because it encourages a good discussion but could you please keep the witty comments to yourself while presenting an argument that can be countered with some common sense and still doesn’t prove that CJ was alive post 1992 Okay, now I'm seriously tired. Madd Dogg would've probably become a drunkard again if CJ had died and nobody would've possibly wanted to manage him. I just can't digest your theory and I still believe that Toni indeed did kill a made man. And by the way, just how can you say the word "made man" on the back cover was written by an intern? Wouldn't it be those production manager guys who had wrote that? And besides, how can one consider CJ's death to be canon when the writers had the production manager guys to write a bit of the canon story on the back cover? Edited January 14, 2020 by The Eddo Jeansowaty 1 H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 10 hours ago, The Eddo said: Okay, now I'm seriously tired. Madd Dogg would've probably become a drunkard again if CJ had died and nobody would've possibly wanted to manage him. Who's to say that he didn't? The fake site for rappers that Rockstar put out themselves said that Madd Dogg's "last good album" was releasted in 1993, so maybe all the subsequent ones subpar because Madd Dogg was burnt out over CJ's death? And even then, if CJ helps Madd Dogg turn his career around, who wouldn't want to manage a now successful rapper? Quote And by the way, just how can you say the word "made man" on the back cover was written by an intern? Wouldn't it be those production manager guys who had wrote that? Whoever it was written by, they obviously weren't in too attached with the main writers, especially if the first mission only has Sal refer to it as the incredibly vague "you did that good thing for us". I feel like if they were working in tandem, Sal would've elaborated on it some more. Quote how can one consider CJ's death to be canon when the writers had the production manager guys to write a bit of the canon story on the back cover? See above NewGuybj and Honker1944 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewGuybj Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 No he didn't , there's no proof. He killed a made man in a rival gang. Made man are term used in italian mafia. But good theory though. But nah. sabitsuki and Jeansowaty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max.pain Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 is it mentioned by anyone it was a made man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 8 hours ago, Max.pain said: is it mentioned by anyone it was a made man? Literally only the back cover, speaking of which... 10 hours ago, NewGuybj said: No he didn't , there's no proof. He killed a made man in a rival gang. Made man are term used in italian mafia. But good theory though. But nah. ...why believe a cover when there's literally no mention of it ingame Honker1944 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tao Cheng Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Did Huang Lee killed Niko Bellic, who killed Trevor, who killed Johnny K, just so he can get revenge for the Triad who Johnny shot and plummetted off the rooftop in The Lost and the Damned Mission "This sh*t's cursed"? Makes sense to me! H-G, Jeansowaty, NewGuybj and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabitsuki Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Seems that way yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkaSwede Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) I wonder if it was planned have Toni having killed CJ, but they left it out at the last moment or so to avoid possible backlash seeing how popular San Andreas was at the time? I mean, we have seen how upset some people got when Johnny K got killed off. Imagine the outrage if they had just said "OH and Toni killed CJ off screen just because" at the beginning of the game. Or, I dunno. Maybe Tonis blew up Grove Street like he blew up Fort Staunton? Edited January 22, 2020 by EkaSwede universetwisters, H-G and Nappy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nappy Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 ^ wow this abviously would be an awesome plot in “san andreas stories”. Toni goes to LS and starts his plans with the mafia, gets all the bombs ready and after sweet and cj came home BOOM!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americana Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Let's not pretend it would have anything to do with Salvatore... Toni's mom: I bet you can't even kill Carl Johnson! Toni: Oh, I'm going to prove you wrong! B Dawg, iiCriminnaaL, MrPikmin16 and 4 others 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) On 1/16/2020 at 8:15 AM, universetwisters said: Literally only the back cover, speaking of which... ...why believe a cover when there's literally no mention of it ingame @universetwisters: The official LCS website designed by R* also says that Toni killed a made man, which is quite an attention to the game's lore there, so it's official now: It was indeed a rival mafia organization's made man who was killed by Toni. Now don't bother providing answers to questions which were never asked to you, your theory is baseless and has been busted already. Edited February 10, 2020 by The Eddo iiCriminnaaL 1 H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nappy Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 wasn’t cj a made man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, The Eddo said: @universetwisters: The official LCS website designed by R* also says that Toni killed a made man, which is quite an attention to the game's lore there, so it's official now: It was indeed a rival mafia organization's made man who was killed by Toni. Now don't bother providing answers to questions which were never asked to you, your theory is baseless and has been busted already. Obligatory “it’s still incredibly vague so it could’ve been anybody in the right context” answer Also that's the same text literally yanked from the back cover of the original game. Again, literally no mention of it whatsoever in the game itself. Again, no need to act like a smartass thinking filler for a website redesign to promote the mobile release is ThEoRy BuStEd Edited February 10, 2020 by universetwisters Actually checked the site and lol its just yanked from the back cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, universetwisters said: Obligatory “it’s still incredibly vague so it could’ve been anybody in the right context” answer Also that's the same text literally yanked from the back cover of the original game. Again, literally no mention of it whatsoever in the game itself. Again, no need to act like a smartass thinking filler for a website redesign to promote the mobile release is ThEoRy BuStEd Well, if you visit the original Flash website of LCS back from 2005, which is on the same site, there's one there too and that one is a pure, genuine source. You can't say that was an intern's job, redesign for mobile release or whatever. It most likely showed up there before the covers were printed. As for the made man himself, he wasn't mentioned because he wasn't relevant to the story. He was long forgotten. And he can never be CJ because he may be a big-time gangsta and all, but he's not in a mafia organization of Italian descendants. Also, do you think R* would be crazy enough to first create a protagonist and then have him killed in their next game? Besides, you just love to think that CJ got whacked by Toni, don't you? Edited February 10, 2020 by The Eddo H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, The Eddo said: Well, if you visit the original Flash website of LCS back from 2005, which is on the same site, there's one there too and that one is a pure, genuine source. You can't say that was an intern's job, redesign for mobile release or whatever. It most likely showed up there before the covers were printed. Then the covers were yanked from the website. It doesn't matter where it came from, what matters is that it's incredibly vague and could've been anyone. 2 minutes ago, The Eddo said: And he can never be CJ because he may be a big-time gangsta and all, but he's not in a mafia organization of Italian descendants. Have you literally ignored my previous arguments that people could have it "made" outside of a mafia context 5 minutes ago, The Eddo said: Also, do you think R* would be crazy enough to create a protagonist only to announce that the new protagonist of their upcoming game killed him? While do bear in mind this is just a fan theory, I don't see why not 6 minutes ago, The Eddo said: Besides, you just love to think that CJ got whacked by Toni, don't you? I don't have a reason to believe that he wouldn't have been whacked by Toni or any other Leone family associate. He robbed Caligula's, made Sal a laughing stock, and Sal swore his revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, universetwisters said: I don't have a reason to believe that he wouldn't have been whacked by Toni or any other Leone family associate. He robbed Caligula's, made Sal a laughing stock, and Sal swore his revenge. Salvatore would never send his favorite guy around after some regular busta material. It ain't worth it at all! It was probably Mickey Hamfists who killed CJ, or the goon who pays Maria for the sandwich during the beginning of "Freefall", or the goon who says "Hey, boss, there's somebody here to see you." to Ken during the end of "Don Peyote", or the goon from III's artwork, or the goon who is seen guarding Salvatore's mansion during some of the cutscenes of Salvatore's missions in III. In fact, probably all of the aforementioned goons went together to kill CJ after the end of SA's story. But I still believe Toni killed a made man. Edited February 10, 2020 by The Eddo H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 26 minutes ago, The Eddo said: Salvatore would never send his favorite guy around after some regular busta material. Let's not forget this busta was behind the robbery of the casino he controlled and had lots of protection. 27 minutes ago, The Eddo said: But I still believe Toni killed a made man. Obligatory "CJ had it made" argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, universetwisters said: Obligatory "CJ had it made" argument I said that CJ was killed by Mickey, while a Forelii/Sindacco made man was killed by Toni. Simple. Your theory is acceptable to some length but it goes straight downhill from the "Toni flees Liberty City because of CJ's allies in San Andreas" and "CJ had it made" parts. iiCriminnaaL 1 H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, The Eddo said: "Toni flees Liberty City because of CJ's allies in San Andreas" >implying GSF and Ceasar's gang and the Triads and Madd Dogg won't be looking and gunning for Toni 1 minute ago, The Eddo said: "CJ had it made" I'm p sure a guy who's second in command to a large gang, co-owns a casino, runs a garage and airstrip and several other properties, and is a successful rapper's manager, and is incredibly wealthy has it made in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iiCriminnaaL Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, universetwisters said: I'm p sure a guy who's second in command to a large gang, co-owns a casino, runs a garage and airstrip and several other properties, and is a successful rapper's manager, and is incredibly wealthy has it made in life. I get what you mean there, but I'm sure that made man in GTA, especially while referring to a made man being killed by a certain character, specifically means a "mob Made Man", not basically any guy who made it in life. Similar to "OG", which doesn't refer to every tough gangster in the criminal underworld as far as I know, but only high-ranking members of certain street gangs. Edited February 10, 2020 by iiCriminnaaL 49 H-G and Zello 1 1 My workshop of modifications Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, iiCriminnaaL 49 said: I get what you mean there, but I'm sure that made man in GTA, especially while referring to a made man being killed by a certain character, specifically means a "mob made man", not basically any guy who made it in life. I'd be more inclined to believe that if they actually went into more detail about who Toni killed. If it's possible that Toni killed CJ within the right context, why couldn't he have killed CJ? Honker1944 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iiCriminnaaL Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Just now, universetwisters said: I'd be more inclined to believe that if they actually went into more detail about who Toni killed. If it's possible that Toni killed CJ within the right context, why couldn't he have killed CJ? I'm neither denying or supporting the theory of CJ being murdered by Toni, but I really doubt that he was the meant guy as far as the "made man" argument goes. To say the least, though, I don't expect CJ to survive after ripping the mob off. It wasn't confirmed whether he's alive or not, but it really makes sense that he isn't. H-G 1 My workshop of modifications Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Just now, iiCriminnaaL 49 said: I'm neither denying or supporting the theory of CJ being murdered by Toni, but I really doubt that he was the meant guy as far as the "made man" argument goes. Then let's blame Rockstar for making it vague and having the only mention of it ever within the game being a little blurb on the back cover Honker1944, iiCriminnaaL and H-G 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, universetwisters said: >implying GSF and Ceasar's gang and the Triads and Madd Dogg won't be looking and gunning for Toni I'm p sure a guy who's second in command to a large gang, co-owns a casino, runs a garage and airstrip and several other properties, and is a successful rapper's manager, and is incredibly wealthy has it made in life. Becoming a Made man is like making Partner at a big law firm, the big 4 accounting firms, or investment banks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partner_(business_rank) CJ was not a Made man. Edited February 11, 2020 by Zello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Zello said: Becoming a Made man is like making Partner at a big law firm, the big 4 accounting firms, or investment banks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partner_(business_rank) CJ was not a Made man. Whaaaaat I'd say he had it p made considering all he's got postgame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, universetwisters said: Whaaaaat I'd say he had it p made considering all he's got postgame You just want Toni to kill CJ don't you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, Zello said: You just want Toni to kill CJ don't you. I don't have a reason why he couldn't have killed CJ and your previous analogy makes no sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, universetwisters said: I don't have a reason why he couldn't have killed CJ and your previous analogy makes no sense Yeah but nobody goes around saying you have it made irl. Also having it Made and Made man are completely different. Jeansowaty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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