Did Toni kill CJ?

[universetwisters]

9 hours ago, The Eddo said:

I doubt if the Sindaccos and the Forellis would listen to Salvatore if he said something like that. They would most likely use the losses caused by the heist as a well-placed excuse to kick the Leones out because all three families are sworn enemies of each other.

 

What if they go to Sal and Sal tells them "Wait a minute, I know who did this and I'll deliver his head on a silver platter". Hell, maybe the other two families kicked the Leones out of Las Venturas, but Sal killing CJ was a way to keep the other families from attacking his assets LC. Plus, if not Toni, one of the other families would probably figure out who it was and whack CJ.

 

9 hours ago, The Eddo said:

I doubt if the Los Angeles' ghetto had security cameras in 1992. And you can't say Madd Dogg's mansion had security cameras. Because if the mansion had security cameras, then Madd Dogg would've easily recognized CJ as the guy who stole his rhyme book and it would only further break the already broken story of San Andreas.

 

I don't see why they wouldn't considering that security cameras have been a thing since the 1970s. And don't try to say BuT iF tHeReS cAmErAs ThEn WhY iS cRiMe So BaD because it's pretty obvious that the cops in the GTA series are completely useless and probably wouldn't bother checking them. Maybe Madd Dogg decided to install the cameras after the theft of the rhyme book?

 

9 hours ago, The Eddo said:

Why would a tough-guy Italian mobster, who was most likely a caporegime back in 1992, fear some street gangsters from the ghetto or some Triads so much that he would have to flee the whole country and lay low for a whole four years just to evade the people who can barely manage to hold their ground all the way over in San Andreas without some black guy helping them out? 

 

Idk man, the triads were pretty competent. And the GSF were bigger than ever since CJ came in and took like 80% of the neighborhoods for them in LS to beat the game. Who's to say CJ didn't make the GSF a national gang like most irl street gangs?

 

9 hours ago, The Eddo said:

The backstory of Liberty City Stories clearly states and indicates that the story stems out from a mafia feud involving the death of a rival mafia family's made man. 

 

Literally where does it say, other than the back cover, that Toni killed a "Made Man"? The only time that's mentioned iirc is the first mission's cutscene, and all Sal says is "I know you did a good thing for us and you've been lying low for a long time" and it's mentioned nowhere else in the game. It's intentionally vague.

[H-G]

13 hours ago, universetwisters said:

What if they go to Sal and Sal tells them "Wait a minute, I know who did this and I'll deliver his head on a silver platter". Hell, maybe the other two families kicked the Leones out of Las Venturas, but Sal killing CJ was a way to keep the other families from attacking his assets LC. Plus, if not Toni, one of the other families would probably figure out who it was and whack CJ.

Why would they trust Salvatore, who is a sworn enemy of theirs? Especially when he recently had a whole plane full of Forelli hitmen taken down, Marco Forelli killed in Liberty City and what-not?

 

13 hours ago, universetwisters said:

I don't see why they wouldn't considering that security cameras have been a thing since the 1970s. And don't try to say BuT iF tHeReS cAmErAs ThEn WhY iS cRiMe So BaD because it's pretty obvious that the cops in the GTA series are completely useless and probably wouldn't bother checking them. Maybe Madd Dogg decided to install the cameras after the theft of the rhyme book?

If the cops won't check them, then CJ's allies would be too dumb to check them as well.

 

13 hours ago, universetwisters said:

Idk man, the triads were pretty competent. And the GSF were bigger than ever since CJ came in and took like 80% of the neighborhoods for them in LS to beat the game. Who's to say CJ didn't make the GSF a national gang like most irl street gangs?

I bet the Leones have been operating in Liberty City since the early 1930s, hence their strong influence over the city despite rival mafia families and local street gangs trying to mess with them.

 

13 hours ago, universetwisters said:

Literally where does it say, other than the back cover, that Toni killed a "Made Man"? The only time that's mentioned iirc is the first mission's cutscene, and all Sal says is "I know you did a good thing for us and you've been lying low for a long time" and it's mentioned nowhere else in the game. It's intentionally vague.

Not only it says: "Toni Cipriani was forced into hiding after killing a made man", but it also says: "Warring mafiosi vie for control", this confirms that it was indeed a made man of either the Sindaccos or the Forellis and not some half-pilot-half-driver-half-biker-half-boater-half-business-man-half-street-gangster black guy. Anyway, it's San Andreas' plot that's written so badly, R* never made CJ get any retaliation for the casino heist even though they added Pump-Action Shotgun-wielding Leones in III after Salvatore is killed.

 

Listen to me, my friend, if you love your theory so much, then play San Andreas, get into debt through casino or whatever so the mafia debt collectors come after CJ and consider them as hitmen sent by either Salvatore, Paulie or Franco. That's all.

[iiCriminnaaL]

49 minutes ago, The Eddo said:

Anyway, it's San Andreas' plot that's written so badly, R* never made CJ get any retaliation for the casino heist even though they added Pump-Action Shotgun-wielding Leones in III after Salvatore is killed.

That's an issue with the other gangs as well. Da Nang Boys and San Fierro Rifa never turn hostile after killing the Snakehead and T-Bone. Neither the Aztecas turn friendly (or at least neutral) after Cesar Vialpando/Los Desperados.

[universetwisters]

1 hour ago, The Eddo said:

Why would they trust Salvatore, who is a sworn enemy of theirs? Especially when he recently had a whole plane full of Forelli hitmen taken down, Marco Forelli killed in Liberty City and what-not?

 

Im not behind this theory but just to play devils advocate, how would anyone have known that Sal was behind all of that? Not only that but don’t forget the old adage, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”.

 

>CJs allies would be equally dumb to not check security camera footage

 

Its pretty clear that the police in the GTA are inept and the criminals are always getting the upper hand over them. 

 

>warring mafiosi vie for control 

 

Do you seriously think that a little blurb referencing the plot of the game on the back cover is enough of a confirmation

 

>listen to me my friend, get in debt etc

 

No need to get condescending just because you’re rubbish at countering arguments lmao

 

 

@iiCriminnaaL 49 I thought the triad’s reasoning to get CJ to kill the snakehead/tbone was because he wasn’t Asian and couldn’t be connected with the triads? 

Edited January 12, 2020 by universetwisters

[iiCriminnaaL]

6 minutes ago, universetwisters said:

@iiCriminnaaL 49 I thought the triad’s reasoning to get CJ to kill the snakehead/tbone was because he wasn’t Asian and couldn’t be connected with the triads? 

Can't really recall, but I guess it's true.

 

Although, I forgot to mention that he also got on the Da Nang Boys' way many times, ambushing them more than once and killing a lot of them, kinda like Claude with Portland Triads, which obviously would make sense that they recognize him.

Edited January 12, 2020 by iiCriminnaaL 49

[H-G]

2 minutes ago, universetwisters said:

 

Im not behind this theory but just to play devils advocate, how would anyone have known that Sal was behind all of that? Not only that but don’t forget the old adage, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”.

 

>CJs allies would be equally dumb to not check security camera footage

 

Its pretty clear that the police in the GTA are inept and the criminals are always getting the upper hand over them. 

 

>warring mafiosi vie for control 

 

Do you seriously think that a little blurb referencing the plot of the game on the back cover is enough of a confirmation

 

>listen to me my friend, get in debt etc

 

No need to get condescending just because you’re rubbish at countering arguments lmao

Just shut up and use this:

[universetwisters]

4 minutes ago, The Eddo said:

Just shut up and use this:

 

Brotha you were the one dragging it on with inane brain dead responses come on?!?!?!? 

 

@iiCriminnaaL 49 - ya, they should’ve made it to where they attacked CJ whenever they saw him. Shame SA never really implemented that degree of retaliation during regular gameplay like III did

[H-G]

3 hours ago, universetwisters said:

Brotha you were the one dragging it on with inane brain dead responses come on?!?!?!?

Some lame theories have to get busted at times.

 

3 hours ago, universetwisters said:

Im not behind this theory but just to play devils advocate, how would anyone have known that Sal was behind all of that? Not only that but don’t forget the old adage, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”.

I was saying that Paulie and Franco would blame Salvatore for the loss caused by CJ's shenanigans and kick him out. After that, he'd have to go back to Liberty City without making CJ pay for what he did. I bet the threatening phone call Salvatore makes to CJ is done from Liberty City.

 

3 hours ago, universetwisters said:

>CJs allies would be equally dumb to not check security camera footage

 

Its pretty clear that the police in the GTA are inept and the criminals are always getting the upper hand over them. 

Oh, right, you'd think Sweet, Woozie and Cesar would certainly check the footage? Sweet will probably interpret CJ's assassination as a rival street gang's attempt to damage the GSF. Woozie would be too busy handling Triad business and Cesar would be too busy asking Kendl "the question."

 

3 hours ago, universetwisters said:

>warring mafiosi vie for control 

 

Do you seriously think that a little blurb referencing the plot of the game on the back cover is enough of a confirmation

But your theory isn't that much of a confirmation as well. Do you think all of the "CJ's allies see the security camera footage because Toni forgot to clean up the evidence", "Toni flees LC due to heat from GSF and Triads and lays low for four years" and other stuff makes any sense at all?

 

3 hours ago, universetwisters said:

>listen to me my friend, get in debt etc

 

No need to get condescending just because you’re rubbish at countering arguments lmao

Well, it is you who started this non-sense theory. It had so many holes in it that I had to point them all out.

Edited January 12, 2020 by The Eddo

[Jeansowaty]

3 hours ago, The Eddo said:

But your theory isn't that much of a confirmation as well. Do you think all of the "CJ's allies see the security camera footage because Toni forgot to clean up the evidence", "Toni flees LC due to heat from GSF and Triads and lays low for four years" and other stuff makes any sense at all?

This. So a half-assed theory is more of a confirmation than a real canon source which is the f*cking back cover of the game? Some people really need to collect their sh*t together.

[universetwisters]

4 hours ago, The Eddo said:

 

I was saying that Paulie and Franco would blame Salvatore for the loss caused by CJ's shenanigans and kick him out. After that, he'd have to go back to Liberty City without making CJ pay for what he did. I bet the threatening phone call Salvatore makes to CJ is done from Liberty City.

 

 

Which seems like more the reason to go after CJ, no? Not only his money is robbed, he also got kicked out of LV thanks to him. Seems like a pretty good motivator for revenge (something Sal is known for) if you ask me

 

>Woozie would be too busy handling triad business, sweet would think it’s a rival gang hit

 

I mean...it is a rival gang hit lmao. There’s nothing suggesting that they couldn’t do anything about it.

 

>my theory doesn’t make much sense either

 

Its explaining a lot more than taking literally two sentences on the back cover of the game (probably written by some intern who just got out of college and knows little about the series) and going  “tHiS iS wHy YoUr ThEoRy Is DuMb” 

 

>I started the theory I’m just pointing out the holes

 

Some dude who’s probably dead started the theory years before I joined the forums if you go back far enough in the forum. See the above point.

[H-G]

20 minutes ago, universetwisters said:

 

Which seems like more the reason to go after CJ, no? Not only his money is robbed, he also got kicked out of LV thanks to him. Seems like a pretty good motivator for revenge (something Sal is known for) if you ask me

 

>Woozie would be too busy handling triad business, sweet would think it’s a rival gang hit

 

I mean...it is a rival gang hit lmao. There’s nothing suggesting that they couldn’t do anything about it.

 

>my theory doesn’t make much sense either

 

Its explaining a lot more than taking literally two sentences on the back cover of the game (probably written by some intern who just got out of college and knows little about the series) and going  “tHiS iS wHy YoUr ThEoRy Is DuMb” 

 

>I started the theory I’m just pointing out the holes

 

Some dude who’s probably dead started the theory years before I joined the forums if you go back far enough in the forum. See the above point.

You know what? Here's another theory: Salvatore most likely popped his membrane from the high level of stress and paranoia caused by CJ's betrayal. Not to mention the damage and the loss due to Paulie and Franco kicking him out. I think Salvatore ended up in a medical problem and couldn't send any men after CJ.

[universetwisters]

1 minute ago, The Eddo said:

You know what? Here's another theory: Salvatore most likely popped his membrane from the high level of stress and paranoia caused by CJ's betrayal. Not to mention the damage and the loss due to Paulie and Franco kicking him out. I think Salvatore ended up in a medical problem and couldn't send any men after CJ.

 

If you popped your membrane you’d be dead lmao

[H-G]

1 minute ago, universetwisters said:

 

If you popped your membrane you’d be dead lmao

Shut up, please.

[universetwisters]

Just now, The Eddo said:

Shut up, please.

 

Man you’re the one coming to counter my theory I’m just here to back it up.

 

>telling me to shut up on a thread that isn’t even yours

[H-G]

2 minutes ago, universetwisters said:

 

Man you’re the one coming to counter my theory I’m just here to back it up.

 

>telling me to shut up on a thread that isn’t even yours

Remind me why am I bashing my head in a wall by talking to you again?

Edited January 12, 2020 by The Eddo

[universetwisters]

9 minutes ago, The Eddo said:

Remind me why am I bashing my head in a wall by talking to you again?

 

I mean that’s got nothing to do with what I just said but ok

[EkaSwede]

Nah, Toni's mom killed CJ. That's why she keeps giving him a hard time for not being man enough to kill a main character himself. She's got high standards.

[thalilmythos]

Since i got quoted in this topic i might as well throw some ideas in here.

 

- CJ runs LS, he most likely would be living there if he is managing Madd Dogg and keeping His empire afloat (Grove street territories)after the game ending.

- CJ Has a set of skills which make him a generally better and stronger adversary (arguably because of gameplay differences) that is if we consider 100% CJ Canon since we are talking about the ending of SA. 

- There's the billboard in IV of him, so we can presume that despite them being different universes, he could still be alive at 2008, like Lazlow is still being a Radio personality.

- Salvatore has NO weight in Los santos or San Fierro, hell he even doesn't have that much weight in LV, Considering his people only manage the casino but have no territory.

-  Toni Cipriani is not precisely a Sam Fisher Type which could get the job done in a stealthy manner, and CJ is no punk who could not see him coming a mile away, considering he is in CJ'S  World and territory (AND THATS A BIG IF) then he has no chance.

 

This whole theory just can't stand on 2 feet.

 

[billiejoearmstrong8]

6 hours ago, thalilmythos said:

 

- There's the billboard in IV of him, 

 

 

OT but where is this? I wanna go and see it

Edited January 13, 2020 by billiejoearmstrong8

[H-G]

6 hours ago, thalilmythos said:

- There's the billboard in IV of him, so we can presume that despite them being different universes, he could still be alive at 2008, like Lazlow is still being a Radio personality.

Actually, it's just an easter egg and a simple reference to SA.

[Americana]

Ah, don't worry. Carl Johnson stumbled on stairs in Johnson's House and died. 

 

---

Edited January 13, 2020 by Ronald Reagan

[Jeansowaty]

It's not even CJ though. It's a regular ped you can find in Bohan or North Holland...

[billiejoearmstrong8]

55 minutes ago, Damien Scott said:

It's in Algonquin.

 

Thanks!

 

Yeah there's a resemblance but I think if it was meant to be him it would be implied more strongly than just with a vague facial similarity and nothing else that references him. There's also graffiti in the project buildings that has all the previous protagonists' names including "Carl" listed and "RIP" so even if that billboard is an easter egg and we're taking easter eggs as truth there's another one that contradicts it anyway. I don't think there's anything in GTA IV that really tells us anything about CJ.

Edited January 13, 2020 by billiejoearmstrong8

[universetwisters]

12 hours ago, thalilmythos said:

- CJ Has a set of skills which make him a generally better and stronger adversary (arguably because of gameplay differences) that is if we consider 100% CJ Canon since we are talking about the ending of SA. 

 

Even Vic and Johnny's skills didn't keep them from being killed by Diaz' goons/Trevor

 

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There's the billboard in IV of him, so we can presume that despite them being different universes, he could still be alive at 2008, like Lazlow is still being a Radio personality.

 

You said it yourself, different universes. OG Loc may have been a sh*tty rapper in SA that got kicked off his record label, but in V he's successful enough to have gold records. Even if CJ is alive in the HD universe, I'm still betting he's dead in the 3D universe. Especially since, by your logic, this Ammunation cutout foreshadows it

 

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Salvatore has NO weight in Los santos or San Fierro, hell he even doesn't have that much weight in LV, Considering his people only manage the casino but have no territory.

 

That still doesn't explain why Sal couldn't have told Toni "Buy a plane ticket to LS and pop this guy and come back".

 

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-  Toni Cipriani is not precisely a Sam Fisher Type which could get the job done in a stealthy manner, and CJ is no punk who could not see him coming a mile away, considering he is in CJ'S  World and territory (AND THATS A BIG IF) then he has no chance.

 

Hence why he had to lay low for a few years after the hit; young Toni underestimated the influences of the GSF, Triads, and Madd Dogg. There's word going around that some white dude capped CJ, they put two and two together and figure out it's one of Sal's guys.

[thalilmythos]

6 minutes ago, universetwisters said:

 

Even Vic and Johnny's skills didn't keep them from being killed by Diaz' goons/Trevor

 

 

You said it yourself, different universes. OG Loc may have been a sh*tty rapper in SA that got kicked off his record label, but in V he's successful enough to have gold records. Even if CJ is alive in the HD universe, I'm still betting he's dead in the 3D universe. Especially since, by your logic, this Ammunation cutout foreshadows it

 

 

That still doesn't explain why Sal couldn't have told Toni "Buy a plane ticket to LS and pop this guy and come back".

 

 

Hence why he had to lay low for a few years after the hit; young Toni underestimated the influences of the GSF, Triads, and Madd Dogg. There's word going around that some white dude capped CJ, they put two and two together and figure out it's one of Sal's guys.

Vic and Johnny were killed on screen, THAT IS A FACT,  this is a THEORY. an HYPOTHESIS in which, everything is against Toni Killing CJ, you are doing conjectures.

That ammunation cutout is no more than an artistic work, you are over there discarding the MADE MEN IN THE BACK OF A COVER OF A MOB GAME which is common knowledge that is a term inside the mob for a Gangster which is inside a Mob organization, all used in proper context, yet you use that as "evidence" for foreshadowing a fan HYPOTHESIS? i ain't even getting into that no more, it's nonsensical.

 

"That still doesn't explain why Sal couldn't have told Toni "Buy a plane ticket to LS and pop this guy and come back".

 

Toni in LS could not touch CJ, i allready explained why.

Toni did not kill CJ, in both games context, Toni could not have killed CJ, It's a fact that toni killed a MADE MEN which is someone in the MOB it is a FACT you cannot argue that, in every piece of art, book, movie, videogame, made men is a term for a member of the mafia, so as i said, this theory can't stand on 2 feet, don't be so stubborn.

 

 

 

[universetwisters]

3 minutes ago, thalilmythos said:

Vic and Johnny were killed on screen, THAT IS A FACT,  this is a THEORY. an HYPOTHESIS in which, everything is against Toni Killing CJ, you are doing conjectures.

 

But regardless, you're saying "CJ has too many skills to be killed" or similar, I'm just saying that these other folks had "too many skills" and they still got killed.

 

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That ammunation cutout is no more than an artistic work, you are over there discarding the MADE MEN IN THE BACK OF A COVER OF A MOB GAME which is common knowledge that is a term inside the mob for a Gangster which is inside a Mob organization, all used in proper context, yet you use that as "evidence" for foreshadowing a fan HYPOTHESIS? i ain't even getting into that no more, it's nonsensical.

 

I'm literally only using the ammunation cutout just as an example of how nonsensical the CJ IS ALIVE CUZ HES ON A BILLBOARD IN IV!!!!!!! thing you suggested. I don't care about CJ in the HD universe, I'm saying Toni killed him in the 3D one. 

 

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"That still doesn't explain why Sal couldn't have told Toni "Buy a plane ticket to LS and pop this guy and come back".

 

Toni in LS could not touch CJ, i allready explained why.

 

But it's a bullsh*t explanation. What's stopping Toni from flying to LS, storming Madd Dogg's mansion or the Four Dragons Casino, popping CJ, and leaving, like what CJ did to a made man in "Saint Marks Bistro"? And don't say something dumb like THEY CAN SEE HIM COMING A MILE AWAY like come the feck on man, they could've seen CJ coming a mile away at the St Marks Bistro being the only black guy in probably miles and he still wiped the floor with them.

[thalilmythos]

11 minutes ago, universetwisters said:

 

But regardless, you're saying "CJ has too many skills to be killed" or similar, I'm just saying that these other folks had "too many skills" and they still got killed.

 

I'm literally only using the ammunation cutout just as an example of how nonsensical the CJ IS ALIVE CUZ HES ON A BILLBOARD IN IV!!!!!!! thing you suggested. I don't care about CJ in the HD universe, I'm saying Toni killed him in the 3D one. 

 

But it's a bullsh*t explanation. What's stopping Toni from flying to LS, storming Madd Dogg's mansion or the Four Dragons Casino, popping CJ, and leaving, like what CJ did to a made man in "Saint Marks Bistro"? And don't say something dumb like THEY CAN SEE HIM COMING A MILE AWAY like come the feck on man, they could've seen CJ coming a mile away at the St Marks Bistro being the only black guy in probably miles and he still wiped the floor with them.

I'm saying he has too many skills, and owns the whole city, and has a lot of money, and is in his own territory, but i guess  it's understandable that Toni could do the same as CJ in Bistro, however there's a difference, Cj actually did it, Toni COULD but there's literally no proof, and there's more possibility of CJ just straight up being alive, i don't need to prove he is alive actually, there is more "evidence" if we could call it that, that he is alive than the oppossite, since the "Made men" point i made, directly contradicts the idea that toni killed a gangbanger and not a Mafia associate which is heavily implied to be the case here, i mean, that's a fact that kills the whole thing from the start i don't know why it's being ignored.

[universetwisters]

3 minutes ago, thalilmythos said:

I'm saying he has too many skills, and owns the whole city, and has a lot of money, and is in his own territory, but i guess  it's understandable that Toni could do the same as CJ in Bistro, however there's a difference, Cj actually did it, Toni COULD but there's literally no proof, and there's more possibility of CJ just straight up being alive, i don't need to prove he is alive actually, there is more "evidence" if we could call it that, that he is alive than the oppossite, since the "Made men" point i made, directly contradicts the idea that toni killed a gangbanger and not a Mafia associate which is heavily implied to be the case here, i mean, that's a fact that kills the whole thing from the start i don't know why it's being ignored.

 

What proof is there of CJ being alive post 1992 other than easter eggs?

 

>Made Man

That was literally only specified on the back cover. it's only also brought up in the first mission only as Sal saying "I know you did a good thing for us and you laid low" or something to that effect. The writers wanted an excuse to get Toni out of town pregame so he could come back and do the typical "rags-to-riches" story and some intern who probably watched too many mob movies crapped out the text on the back cover a week before the game's release or whatever. If there was more mention to it ingame, I would believe that Toni actually killed a mafioso than CJ, but again, the only evidence of it is on the back cover, which is known to lie across all boards.

[H-G]

45 minutes ago, universetwisters said:

 

What proof is there of CJ being alive post 1992 other than easter eggs?

 

>Made Man

That was literally only specified on the back cover. it's only also brought up in the first mission only as Sal saying "I know you did a good thing for us and you laid low" or something to that effect. The writers wanted an excuse to get Toni out of town pregame so he could come back and do the typical "rags-to-riches" story and some intern who probably watched too many mob movies crapped out the text on the back cover a week before the game's release or whatever. If there was more mention to it ingame, I would believe that Toni actually killed a mafioso than CJ, but again, the only evidence of it is on the back cover, which is known to lie across all boards.

Okay, so what solid proof do you have that the back cover is a liar? Considering how the Forellis are constantly fecked with in every GTA game, I bet-mark my words-I bet that it was a made man who was in the Forelli Family. And I doubt if the GSF, the Triads and a completely neutral singer like Madd Dogg would be tough enough, even when combined together, to make a young Italian tough guy to save face, flee all the way over to Italy or whatever and hide there for four years especially when the mafia family he works for is so deadly that they carry these Pump-Action Shotguns that can blow up a whole damn car with just two shots. Anyway, okay, let's believe for a moment that Toni killed CJ. But then, so what? The GSF and Madd Dogg would have to face a heavy downfall due to CJ dying. Not to mention, CJ is the only thing that connects the Triads with the GSF, and if he's dead, how the hell it's logical for the Triads to combine themselves with a severely damaged GSF and a now-drunkard-again Madd Dogg? In a situation like this, I'm 1,000,000,000% sure CJ's allies won't do anything at all. Oh, and here's another two cents, R* wrote SA's story real badly. Like, seriously, some random black guy walked in and messed with a whole trio of the most deadliest Italian mafia families ever depicted in a GTA game and he got off scot-free? What the feck?!

Edited January 13, 2020 by The Eddo
I like how GTAForums censores that word so it becomes "feck". LOL.

[universetwisters]

1 minute ago, The Eddo said:

Okay, so what solid proof do you have that the back cover is a liar? 

 

I'm putting my money toward the fact that it was never specifically mentioned ingame and that there's no major retaliation on Toni from it. 

 

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The GSF and Madd Dogg would have to face a heavy downfall due to CJ dying. Not to mention, CJ is the only thing that connects the Triads with the GSF, and if he's dead, how the hell it's logical for the Triads to combine themselves with a severely damaged GSF and a now-drunkard-again Madd Dogg

 

>Madd Dogg hires some hitmen to track down who killed his manager

>GSF would be on it's last legs and Sweet would throw all their resources at avenging his brother, distraught and vowing not to let another brother's death be in vain

>The Triads vow revenge against one of the owners of the Casino

 

You gotta use your imagination yo

 

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R* wrote SA's story real badly. Like, seriously, some random black guy walked in and messed with a whole trio of the most deadliest Italian mafia families ever depicted in a GTA game and he got off scot-free? What the censor?!

 

Sounds like more of a reason for my theory lmao