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Halloween (2018)

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Asmodo
2 hours ago, Arrows to Athens said:

"I moved away from old man Myers because you're argument is elementary."

 

Is that it? Rubbish argument with very little to no informative or logical depth in the slightest. It's easy to call it "elementary", but it's not easy to back it up. You are unable to refute my argument, hence your silly one-liners. If you possessed even an iota of common sense, you would know that my argument stands.

 

"You stated that I shouldn't let his age ruin the film because of things he's done in the past, like that makes any sense."

 

But how would it possibly make sense to someone who doesn't have any sense? lmao Myers is strong at 61 because he has superhuman strength, That's his character. He's mysterious. He's not your typical human. I cannot believe that I have to repeat this over and over again. It's almost as if you're trolling.

 

"Apparently, because a 20/30-year-old Myers did these things I'm supposed to overlook a pitiful looking old guy going on a killing spree."

 

Of course, you idiot! I'm not actively trying to insult you, but man, you're really bringing it upon yourself here. If Myers is the embodiment of evil and has unnatural strength that isn't normal and is almost supernatural, then yes, you should overlook him being unnatural strong at 61. How is that even a stretch? He's more than just human. And he looks pitiful? Because he has grey hair and wrinkly skin? Please do elaborate.

 

" That doesn't disprove the fact it appears silly"

 

You have unfortunately fooled and deluded yourself into thinking that it appearing silly is "fact" in the first place. And again, you're expecting realism from a slasher film like Halloween, even though I literally just explained how it's not supposed to be realistic. Myers picked up a guy his same height with one hand and nailed to a wall with a kitchen knife. That's silly, is it not?

 

"it just shows you're butthurt by what I said."

 

Butthurt? Yet you yourself seem so butthurt that you call me delusional and claim that I'm "brainwashed" by the franchise. Get a reality check.

 

" You're taste in film can also indicate you're limits of implausibility. "

 

First of all, bloody hell, can you not differentiate between "your" and "you're"? At first, I thought it was a typo, but now, I'm concerned. Second of all, what do you consider "lousy" taste to begin with? I love great films like Terminator, Jurassic Park, Requiem For a Dream, Halloween 1978, Home Alone, Pulp Fiction, Deathproof, Kill Bill, Titanic, Saving Private Ryan, etc. Would you consider my love for those movie lousy taste as well? Let's say I love 20 films that are critically appraised, 3 films that aren't as critically appraised and are independent/rated as average or mediocre. Is my taste still lousy? Where you do you draw the line? What's the criteria? And isn't taste subjective as well? It's like arguing that liking hip hop music is bad taste. So again, you're coming up with flawed and just plain bad arguments.

 

"To top it off you're avatar shows you're biased."

 

Again with the horrible arguments. I don't think I even consider them arguments at all, to be honest. Because I have a picture of Myers as my avatar, I am biased? Biased towards what? Man, cut the crap talk and argue some sense please. Just another weak and pathetic attempt to defame me.

 

" they aren't similar because The Collector is at least a decent slasher with good pacing, gore factor, and entertainment value."

 

And we're back to opinions and taste again. As much as I liked The Collector, I thought Fender Bender had a certain unique style to it and was a bit more original, and I liked the score. More gore and more action doesn't necessarily equal better. If that's your personal taste in horror movies, then that's your personal deal, and that's fine.

 

" Fender Bender is sitting at a 4.9 on IMDB, 3/5 stars on Amazon"

 

So you rate movies solely on the basis of their IMDB rating? And how in the ever living f*ck is 3/5 considered bad? If anything, 3/5 is good. You have a skewed perception of what is considered good or bad. I also mentioned critic reviews on the movie, and they were mixed, with some positives and negatives. That is not a pan.

 

" Moves at a lethargic pace"

 

I'm assuming you didn't like the original Halloween or Deathproof then? Again, more action doesn't equal better.

 

" with amateurish z-grade actors/actresses who seemed to have just stepped out of a high school acting class."

 

The actors in the movie already have an acting history and filmography. Laurie Strode was relatively new in the original Halloween, yet look at her now. Just because YOU don't know them doesn't mean they're rookies within the movie industry.

 

" It's not the about him needing a wheelchair because he's old, it's the fact he looks like he needs to be in a wheelchair. "

 

It's all about "looks" with you, isn't it? "He looks pitiful", "He looks like my grandfather", "He looks weak", "He looks like he can't even lift a fly", etc. How am I mean to take you seriously if your base your criticism solely on the fact that the thing you're criticizing looks like something to you? I know what you describe it, I just want to know why. And how does one look like they need to be in a wheelchair?

 

" I'm using logic "

 

You must be living in nice personoo land because what you're saying is far from logic.

 

" Why would anyone want to see a brokedown Myers go on a killing spree?"

 

I don't see a "brokedown" Myers at all. Perhaps you need to lay off the narcotics?

 

" I love fantasy just as much as the next person but not when this film suppose to be taken seriously."

 

Who says it's supposed to be taken seriously? Taken seriously in terms of what exactly?

 

" Would it be ok to take any other killer in any other iconic franchise and age him to the point of ridiculousness? "

 

If you genuinely think 61 is ridiculously old, then you need certainly need a major reality check.

 

" This isn't something I want to watch."

 

Then don't watch?

 

" We should expect more after waiting this long. "

 

I'm sorry, but who's this "we" you speak of? Are you claiming to speak on behalf of the Halloween fans? And what did YOU expect? A Halloween set in the 90's, even though we already got two set in the 90's? Myers cannot stay young permanently. At some point, he's going to get old. If he's no longer strong because of his age, then that strips Michael away from his mystique and humanizes him more. Then what's the point? That's what you want to see?

 

" When you come at me with "I don't see how Myers aging ruins the film, everyone ages, Meyers is known to have superhuman strength" as an excuse when it directly challenges his intimidation factor, makes him look fragile and in turn spoils this "badass" image they are trying to create, yes, I'm going to say you're delusional. "

 

But it doesn't challenge his intimidation factor, make him look fragile, or spoil his image for me or for most of the Halloween fans that enjoyed the movie and Myers. Okay, so it does to you, and that's your problem. And please do tell me how Myers having superhuman strength at 61 makes him "look fragile". You're having a laugh.

 

" I don't have time to continuously argue with someone so brainwashed by the franchise"

 

Then why do you keep coming back to continue the argument? You make no sense, and you contradict yourself over and over again. Your persistent ad hominems aren't going to make your "arguments" carry any weight, either, nor will they make you sound smart as you try to be.

 

" so I'll just let you have the last word and defend this gem because God knows you'll probably never shut up about it. "

 

The question is, will YOU ever shut up about it? I mean, you came here and left a little review of the film, and now you're complaining about I won't ever shut up about it and suddenly don't want no part of it anymore.

 

" I'm just dumb sh*t on the internet. "

 

Wow You were actually right about something for once. That perhaps must be your biggest achievement in your life.

 

" Stop trying to defend the film like it's your child and get over it.  "

 

What do you mean stop defending it? If I like a movie, especially from a franchise I really love and grew up with, and you make a flawed criticism about it, of course I'm going to defend it. Go and criticise a Star Wars film and tell the Star Wars fans to stop defending it. Yeah, great logic. How about stop sh*tting on the movie like it attacked your mother and get over it?

I wish I could care about you liking the new Halloween as much as you care about me not liking it.  

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57 minutes ago, Big_Smiley said:

Halloween 2 : Wheelchair wars confirmed. Both Myers and Laurie are old so lets see them chase each other on wheelchairs through the neighborhood of haddonfield, lmao. Pay good money to see Michael hauling ass trying to get Laurie :lol:

 

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Arrows to Athens
1 hour ago, Asmodo said:

I wish I could care about you liking the new Halloween as much as you care about me not liking it.  

I don’t care if you don’t like it. I’ve seen many people criticise the movie. But you claim to not like it because of flawed reasons, then resort to ad hominems to support your argument.

 

Also, how do you go from “Myers in a wheelchair would be stupid. How would I overlook that? How would that be enjoyable? How would that engage me?” to “I might actually find it enjoyable”? Man, you contradict yourself way too much.

1 hour ago, Big_Smiley said:

Halloween 2 : Wheelchair wars confirmed. Both Myers and Laurie are old so lets see them chase each other on wheelchairs through the neighborhood of haddonfield, lmao. Pay good money to see Michael hauling ass trying to get Laurie :lol:

 

 

Also what the hell have y'all done to the thread? Lol, guess opinions don't mean sh*t these days :turn:

Technically, it would be Halloween 3, considering Halloween 2018 is the new Halloween 2.

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But you claim to not like it because of flawed reasons, then resort to ad hominems to support your argument.

 

I gave a few reasons, you not accepting that isn't my problem. I'm not here to validate your opinion on it nor do I think you're important enough for me to care that you think it's a flawed. Saying "everyone ages" and "he has superhuman strength" doesn't discredit that he isn't menacing to me at that age or that it doesn't ruin the intent of the film.

 

Also, how do you go from “Myers in a wheelchair would be stupid. How would I overlook that? How would that be enjoyable? How would that engage me?” to “I might actually find it enjoyable”? Man, you contradict yourself way too much.

 

I said "Maybe in the next Halloween Meyers will go around in a wheelchair killing people and you'll be ok with that too". The difference in it being idiotic and not being completely stupid is intent. If the film is self-aware that Myers being in a wheelchair is ridiculous then I can accept it as cheesy entertainment. If the new Halloween was considered a comedy, I would be ok with it. Instead it tries to insult our intelligence while we clearly see this old guy isn't intimidating or in shape (no pun intended) to be this unstoppable killer. What is so hard to grasp about that? It ruined the film for many people not just me. You can't sway that opinion. 

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10 hours ago, Asmodo said:

But you claim to not like it because of flawed reasons, then resort to ad hominems to support your argument.

 

I gave a few reasons, you not accepting that isn't my problem. I'm not here to validate your opinion on it nor do I think you're important enough for me to care that you think it's a flawed. Saying "everyone ages" and "he has superhuman strength" doesn't discredit that he isn't menacing to me at that age or that it doesn't ruin the intent of the film.

 

Also, how do you go from “Myers in a wheelchair would be stupid. How would I overlook that? How would that be enjoyable? How would that engage me?” to “I might actually find it enjoyable”? Man, you contradict yourself way too much.

 

I said "Maybe in the next Halloween Meyers will go around in a wheelchair killing people and you'll be ok with that too". The difference in it being idiotic and not being completely stupid is intent. If the film is self-aware that Myers being in a wheelchair is ridiculous then I can accept it as cheesy entertainment. If the new Halloween was considered a comedy, I would be ok with it. Instead it tries to insult our intelligence while we clearly see this old guy isn't intimidating or in shape (no pun intended) to be this unstoppable killer. What is so hard to grasp about that? It ruined the film for many people not just me. You can't sway that opinion. 

"Saying "everyone ages" and "he has superhuman strength" doesn't discredit that he isn't menacing to me at that age or that it doesn't ruin the intent of the film."

 

Finding him not menacing personally at that age is one thing, but saying that him being an old man at that age is another. So he's aged, and you accept that; it's just that YOU don't find him intimidating at that age. Obviously, I cannot convince you otherwise. People are different. And what do you mean by him being an old man ruins the intent of the film? The intent of the film was to go back to the original roots. In fact, many fans, and even critics, have praised the film and have stated that Myers is back to being scary again. So according to most other people, Myers WAS scary, intimidating, and menacing, seeing as you seem to base your opinions of movies on reviews and critic feedback.

 

So even after the brutal bathroom scene, Myers is still weak, pitiful-looking, not intimidating, and looks like he can't lift a fly? Even a teenager with very little physical exercise can take him on?

 

" If the new Halloween was considered a comedy, I would be ok with it."

 

Except Halloween will never turn into a comedy film nor will they continue to make Halloween films for another 20 - 30 years and make the decision to make Myers bound to a wheelchair. This is all hypothetical make-believe.

 

"  Instead it tries to insult our intelligence while we clearly see this old guy isn't intimidating or in shape (no pun intended) to be this unstoppable killer. What is so hard to grasp about that?"

 

Again, it's as if you're acting like you're speaking on behalf of all the Halloween fans by saying "we". Who's "we"? A good majority of Halloween fans considered Myers to be intimidating in the new film. If you didn't, then that's you. Don't act like almost everyone else saw it the same way you did. What is so hard to grasp about that? And what do you consider "in shape"? Like Myers even needs to be in shape to begin with. A mysterious, unknown evil that can survive gunshots and stab wounds with superhuman strength like it's nothing needs to be in shape? Again, you're expecting realism from Halloween. You just keep repeating yourself at this point. You will never understand because you take things way too seriously. Your expectations are irrational and flawed, but you can't see that. It's blatantly obvious to everyone else here. And when was Myers supposed to be a realistic character anyway? He's supposed to almost defy the laws of nature and seem supernatural to an extent. Him supposedly not being "in shape" should be the least of your worries. Myers in the first two films was only 5 foot 9 and was quite skinny-looking, and he didn't look like he could be this unstoppable killer, either, and he was more supernatural in the 1981 sequel. So your point?

 

" It ruined the film for many people not just me."

 

Many people? Is that why the film received mostly positive reviews, with many considering it to be both the best Halloween sequel and a return to form for the series, even by critics? Chris Evangelista from Empire states: " While it doesn’t capture the magic of the original, this Halloween brings much-needed closure to a troubled franchise, with Curtis excellent and Michael Myers pleasingly terrifying again." On review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes, the film holds an approval rating of 80% based on 329 reviews, with an average rating of 6.9/10. The site's critical consensus reads, "Halloween largely wipes the slate clean after decades of disappointing sequels, ignoring increasingly elaborate mythology in favor of basic – yet still effective – ingredients." On Metacritic, the film has a weighted average score of 67 out of 100, based on 51 critics, indicating "generally favorable reviews". Audiences polled by CinemaScore gave the film an average grade of "B+" on an A+ to F scale, the same score earned by the last Halloween film starring Curtis, Halloween: Resurrection. PostTrak reported filmgoers gave it a 75% positive score and a 65% "definite recommend," and social media monitor RelishMix noted a "positive buzz" response to the film online. Curtis' performance was also singled out with praise. However, the twist involving Dr. Sartain being revealed as a secondary antagonist polarized critics.

 

Peter Debruge of Variety felt that the film brings the series back to its roots, calling it "an act of fan service disguised as a horror movie. The fact it works as both means that [director] Green [...] has pulled off what he set out to do, tying up the mythology that Carpenter and company established, while delivering plenty of fresh suspense — and grisly-creative kills — for younger audiences".Writing for The Verge, Bryan Bishop said the film was "better than almost every other sequel in the franchise" and "a fitting coda to a story that began 40 years ago", while Leah Greenblatt of Entertainment Weekly described it as "a faithful, fundamental sequel (and funny too)".In his review for Bloody Disgusting, Joe Lipsett wrote, "All in all, Halloween is a worthy entry in the franchise [...] Everything really clicks at the finale, which makes sense considering the film exists to pit Laurie against Michael. And in this capacity, Halloween doesn't disappoint". Jonathan Barkan of Dread Central wrote, "Halloween pays loving and respectful homage to the 1978 original while making a very bold and decisive claim for its own existence," also noting, "... this is quite possibly the scariest Michael Myers has ever been." Laura Di Girolamo of Exclaim gave the film 7/10 and wrote, "This Halloween doesn't redefine the slasher genre as the 1978 original did, and that's okay — it's not trying to. Instead, it's paying homage to the films that came before it and what made them work."

 

^ But hey, they're just critics, right? They get paid to give reviews. They don't really mean it. What do they know? You know it all, right? Right?

 

But seriously, though, out of all the negative reviews I read for the film, I've only seen maybe one or two other people criticize the movie on the basis that Myers is now an old man. So, where is this 'many you speak of? I'm really intrigued to know.

 

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Because we need a little bit of light-hearted fun in this thread...

 

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PicklePrick
On 2/19/2019 at 5:19 AM, Asmodo said:

I wish I could care about you liking the new Halloween as much as you care about me not liking it.  

the way your raisin sized brain cells work is beyond me. Right okay if you don't like Michael being aged thats fine, but to critisice fans who approve of it I clearly sense immaturity in you.

I love halloween and to see Michael being older is just as intimidating as when he was younger in halloween (1978), if you cannot embrace that then I ask you to feel free to indulge yourself in movies where the protagonists remain within the same age range because that feels really realistic for you doesn't it? lol you're clearly on some sort of drug substance, should I arrange for you to be placed into rehab?

if you continue to insult @Arrows to Athens just because he has a different perspective of the franchise from you, I would highly advise you to escort yourself out of this thread

don't let the door hit you on the way out...

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On 2/21/2019 at 11:09 AM, KSI_IS_STUPID_ said:

the way your raisin sized brain cells work is beyond me. Right okay if you don't like Michael being aged thats fine, but to critisice fans who approve of it I clearly sense immaturity in you.

I love halloween and to see Michael being older is just as intimidating as when he was younger in halloween (1978), if you cannot embrace that then I ask you to feel free to indulge yourself in movies where the protagonists remain within the same age range because that feels really realistic for you doesn't it? lol you're clearly on some sort of drug substance, should I arrange for you to be placed into rehab?

if you continue to insult @Arrows to Athens just because he has a different perspective of the franchise from you, I would highly advise you to escort yourself out of this thread

don't let the door hit you on the way out...

Eh, another fanboy with a Halloween avatar. You would probably climax hearing Micheal Myers on the toilet for two hours lmao. Joking my guy. I love all of you. I wish I was on drugs I may have enjoyed it more haha. You ready for the new one? I'm not holding my breath but at least Zombie isn't directing it.

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On 7/19/2019 at 6:16 PM, Asmodo said:

Eh, another fanboy with a Halloween avatar. You would probably climax hearing Micheal Myers on the toilet for two hours lmao. Joking my guy. I love all of you. I wish I was on drugs I may have enjoyed it more haha. You ready for the new one? I'm not holding my breath but at least Zombie isn't directing it.

thats okay lol and yeah I have heard that its coming out in 2020, yes you're right Zombie would have f*cking obliterated the new one if he was directing it, I'm content that there is another sequel coming out at least then all halloween fans get to know what happened to Michael and Laurie.

On 7/20/2019 at 10:43 PM, Arrows to Athens said:

 

is that what they are actually titling it? "halloween kills" and "halloween ends" lol directors need to be more productive with the title names.

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6 hours ago, KSI_IS_STUPID_ said:

thats okay lol and yeah I have heard that its coming out in 2020, yes you're right Zombie would have f*cking obliterated the new one if he was directing it, I'm content that there is another sequel coming out at least then all halloween fans get to know what happened to Michael and Laurie.

Rob needs to lay the hell off the with his work with halloween period. The 2018 one would have most likely been a complete disaster along with reviews that slammed the movie just like his 07 and 09 versions and I'm glad it didn't. It really was the best halloween since John Carpenter's first film and my personal favorite Halloween II.

 

6 hours ago, KSI_IS_STUPID_ said:

is that what they are actually titling it? "halloween kills" and "halloween ends" lol directors need to be more productive with the title names.

Lmao, you should read the comment section. It's full of  sarcastic replies making fun of the movie titles, lol.

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1 hour ago, Big_Smiley said:

Rob needs to lay the hell off the with his work with halloween period. The 2018 one would have most likely been a complete disaster along with reviews that slammed the movie just like his 07 and 09 versions and I'm glad it didn't. It really was the best halloween since John Carpenter's first film and my personal favorite Halloween II.

 

Lmao, you should read the comment section. It's full of  sarcastic replies making fun of the movie titles, lol.

I agree I enjoyed watching H18 with passion and the movie had outstanding reviews.

LOL for real? I need to check this comment section out...

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We finally got a trailer (or a teaser, I should say) for Halloween Kills, but bad news is that it has been pushed back to October 2021. What a bummer!

 

 

Already looks intense! Cannot wait.

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On 7/9/2020 at 4:28 AM, Arrows to Athens said:

We finally got a trailer (or a teaser, I should say) for Halloween Kills, but bad news is that it has been pushed back to October 2021. What a bummer!

 

 

Already looks intense! Cannot wait.

Oooh, yeah. Can't wait really.

 

The new Candyman also got delayed from the flicks too which was a shame, but both this and that are high on my list of must see movies for sure.

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4 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Oooh, yeah. Can't wait really.

 

The new Candyman also got delayed from the flicks too which was a shame, but both this and that are high on my list of must see movies for sure.

This delay really pissed me off, actually. And normally, I don't get mad by movie delays. I just really wanted to see this on the big screen this year after the sh*tstorm that was COVID. Looks like we're gonna have to wait another year.

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2 minutes ago, Arrows to Athens said:

This delay really pissed me off, actually. And normally, I don't get mad by move delays. I just really wanted to see this on the big screen this year after the sh*tstorm that was COVID. Looks like we're gonna have to wait another year.

Yeah, it's very frustrating. Was hoping at least Candyman would get an early digital release like some movies have on Sky etc. as that was very close to release day. But they must have higher hopes that it can draw at the cinema, and to watch on the big screen is always much better of course, lol.

 

My only concern with these movies getting a full release though is how they may be weaker than they could be. Both are proper 18 rated franchises IMHO and though a couple of Halloween movies have been reduced to 15 in years since, I do want to go into these movies knowing they could be pretty visceral if they warrant it. Don't get me wrong, as much as I can enjoy a gory flick, I don't expect either to be that full on, but I like it when we don't quite know where the next scene could take us, you know? Adds to the unsettling nature of things.

 

Much like Rob Zombie's Halloween, that movie is pretty full on (as is his trademark) and I really did enjoy that remake considering remakes and sequels can be so hit and miss in the horror genre. I never felt safe in that Halloween knowing it could be a dark, violent and even crude movie at any time. Not that sex and guts are key, as shown by Texas Chainsaw and even the original Halloween where it's what you don't see or the score that rips us apart, lol.

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