Things GTA IV did better than GTA V

[TheOneLibertonian]

^*cough* RDR and Max Payne *cough*

I'd say IV is on the same level as RDR and MP3. They are all awesome games IMO.

[slimeball supreme]

They're all great.

[lol232]

Meanwhile, at Michigan's house....

 

-snip-

Probably this as well:

 

[PhillBellic]

GTA IV does not have silly UFO stuff in it.

[Haha365]

GTA IV does not have silly UFO stuff in it.

 

Ah, but what if that is what the briefcase is?!? Dun dun dun.....

 

[CarnageRacing00]

Back home for a few days, so let me catch back up on this thread finally:

 

 

For those jumping my sh*t about posting that video, here's the reason I posted it:

I rarely see you criticise GTA V and I'm on here nearly every day. You might every now and then, but when it comes to GTA IV something about it always seems to piss you off not matter how big or small it is.

I don't know who you're trying to convince you're equally critical of both, but I doubt it's anyone who frequents the GTA IV and GTA V forums respectively.

 

 

 

 

Ehhh no. And if you do, its not as frequent as you do to IV.

Even now, you're in a thread titled "Reasons Why GTAIV is better than GTAV" and you still spew out criticism towards the game. The only difference is that u sugar coat it so you don't get called out for it.

 

 

 

Case closed on that one, eh?

 

 

 

Moving on:

 

 

 

 

 

The difference between myself as most IV fans (not all, but most) on this forum, is that I can acknowledge that MY favorite GTA game has faults, and I can do so without also saying "...but it's still better than IV!!!!". Seems like the IV fanboys, whenever they DO criticize IV, HAVE to throw in the caveat "...but it's still better than V!".

 

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/733749-things-youve-actually-disliked-about-gta-iv/

 

So what's your explanation for this thread then? I see plenty of posts from that thread where GTA IV fans discuss the things they don't like about GTA IV without dragging GTA V into their points.

 

 

I see plenty that do drag V into it, as well. Take for example this other thread, discussing least favorite missions:

http://gtaforums.com/topic/808761-least-favorite-mission/?p=1067754999

 

Right after I made a joke about having to sugarcoat criticism of IV by stating that V is "still worse", this guy made this post. Case in point.

 

 

 

 

 

MAKE ME.

Then they can easily say the same f*cking answer:
MAKE US!


Yep, there was tons of IV bashing when it came out - and GUESS WHAT? I was one of the few people defending the game from it, and I'm doing the same thing here with V.
Wrong, you're more or less talking sh*t about IV and praising V.
GUESS WHAT?! You've changed!

And I'm not fighting V bashers. I'm fighting idiots like you who say illogical things when comparing the two games.
I agree that V gets a lot of hate, but, you take it a bit too far.


You guys can sit around and circle jerk onto a poster of Niko Bellic all you want, I REALLY don't give a sh*t how much you love IV,
Then don't f*cking bother posting here and ignore our circle jerk if you REALLY don't give a sh*t.

it's a great game and I don't blame you, but when it comes down to trying to explain WHY you like it more than V, the moment you start spewing BULLsh*t is when I chime in.
LOL


Why do I bother?

Because I want to make sure you zealots don't have any sway on what Rockstar does with GTA VI. It's people like you who ruin video games because you can't let go of the past.
Actually, as much as I agree bashing is a bit harsh, it helps Rockstar improve and makes them learn from their mistakes.

And please, please, PLEASE give me some examples of "bullsh*t in my points". If you can't, then SHUT UP.
My pleasure:

I can easily find bullsh*t in your posts, but let's start with your first one:
I actually quoted you back then but you seemed to have ignore me:

 

This thread makes me laugh, and cry at the same time. I laugh at some of the blatantly ridiculous bullsh*t being spewed to make V look bad (PC shadows vs console shadows... Give me a f*cking break and compare PC to PC).

They did actually compare PC to PC.
I didn't even bother reading the rest.

 

It was referring to this:
http://pikbox.ru/img/15/20150416072103570Comparison.jpg

Now here's the full quote:

This thread makes me laugh, and cry at the same time. I laugh at some of the blatantly ridiculous bullsh*t being spewed to make V look bad (PC shadows vs console shadows... Give me a f*cking break and compare PC to PC).

I cry for the future of our planet if the people writing this bullsh*t ever have any meaningful impact on society.

Isn't it funny since that was EXACTLY what you've been doing the entire time?

You can hate V for its many faults. I won't argue. But making sh*t up to smear it, to make it look worse than it is, to unfairly compare it to IV by casting it in an intentionally bad light, that kind of ridiculous bullsh*t needs to stop.
Oh the irony because that's exactly what you've been doing

If you can't criticize V based on thugs hat are actually wrong with it (car mass, AI traffic bulldozing you, the neutering of damage in favor of first person mode), then shut the f up already. I'm so sick of reading ridiculous lies.

Gun sound better in IV? HAHAHAHAHA, IVs gun sounds were the worst in any game I've ever played.
I've shot quite a few firearm (a I mean, quite a few), IV's is a bit closer, but funny thing is we still haven't moved on from this discussion too much.

You started off bad, and now you're even worse.

All you ever did, from day f*cking one was spill bullsh*t so you can feel better.
What else have you exactly achieved? Virtually nothing.

I mean, WOW, MAN, SINCE 19TH OF APRIL YOU'VE BEEN WASTING YOUR TIME HERE.

 

 

First, thanks for making it nearly f*cking impossible to break apart your quote to respond to individual parts.

 

Second, I know what you're doing, and you can calm right the f*ck down.

 

Now, onto your post:

 

Yes, I was one of the few defending IV when it came out. Now I defend V. I will criticize IV because I'm ALLOWED to criticize it, and because it DESERVES criticism. With the almost unfaltering, unwaivering, unconditional praise being given to the game suddenly out of nowhere, it's VERY f*cking apparent to me that it's not at all because people are suddenly realizing how "perfect" the game was, but rather, it makes it easier to hate on V when you have something to compare it to - even if you have to f*cking LIE about that thing to make it sound a million times better than it really is. I don't believe for one second that anybody here can replay IV's story mode over and over and over and never get bored. I'm sorry. It may be true, but I won't ever believe it. To me, that's a bold exaggeration fabricated to make V look bad by comparison, just one example of many.

 

Maybe I take it too far, but oh well. Zealous behavior must be met with equal force at times to curtail it. Sorry if that bothers you. Not.

 

I'll repeat this statement because you didn't understand it - People can sit around praising IV all they want, I DO NOT CARE how much people love the game, the only time I get involved is when they take their praise for the game and use it as "propaganda" (if you want to call it that) against V, or hell, any other game for that matter. Just so happens to be V right now. Saying IV is "the best game of the last 15 years" is an intellectually dishonest statement, and the person/people who have said that KNOW it's not true, and KNOW that they don't even really think so. They only SAY that kind of sh*t so they can feel included in the apparent "privileged club" that is the IV forum.

 

On "bashing makes Rockstar learn from their mistakes"... Are you a believer that IV is far superior than V? If so, explain to me how the IV bashing worked out for you guys. We got V out of it. Constructive criticism in place of relentless bashing of IV, the over-exaggerated bullsh*t churned up by ridiculous drama queens who want to blow everything WAY out of proportion just to make a point, might have caused Rockstar to NOT throw away most of what they created with IV, and instead, just tweak it a bit. But of course the caustic reactions to IV caused Rockstar to literally go back to the drawing board for many things, and now look - tons of you are f*cking FURIOUS about it. What the f*ck.

 

On the PC vs PC comparison, namely shadows:

 

See this thread:

http://gtaforums.com/topic/784947-light-from-car-headlight-dont-cast-shadow/

 

Since you didn't click on the thread, here's a screen:

 

So the claim was that "even IV had dynamic character shadows when it was released on PC, and V doesn't, therefore IV is better!"... and that claim is utter f*cking bullsh*t, LIKE I SAID.

 

Second, you said that I have been making sh*t up to make IV look worse than it is... prove it.

 

Third, gun sounds. OK, I'll concede. I understand why people like IV's better, that are mixed better and have more of a kick to them... BUT, as per the actual sound effect itself regardless of volume or mixing levels, V's sound more like real guns. If they were cranked up louder with more bass, they would sound great.

 

And nobody will ever convince me that IV's engines sound better than V's.

 

So, nice try buddy, hope it made you feel good to try and go up against me, but... game, set, match.

 

Have a nice day.

[slimeball supreme]

Holy sh*t Michigan, I didn't even know you were capable of typing for that long.

Incredible.

BTW the dynamic shadows were patched in.

 

EDIT:

Just noticed another oopsie:

You said some other people apart from you were being overzealous pricks.

That's false.

Very very false.

 

 

EDITx2 (I am on a roll)

NOPE ENGINES & GUNS WERE BETTER IN IV

 

EDITx3:

No cases were closed. What did I tell you about being specific?

 

Edited July 17, 2015 by Mr. Fahrenheit

[CarnageRacing00]

 

Holy sh*t Michigan, I didn't even know you were capable of typing for that long.

Incredible.

BTW the dynamic shadows were patched in.

 

EDIT:

Just noticed another oopsie:

You said some other people apart from you were being overzealous pricks.

That's false.

Very very false.

 

EDITx2 (I am on a roll)

NOPE ENGINES WERE BETTER IN IV

 

 

 

Nope, they were not patched in. If they were, it was a day one patch. Read the thread. This screen was posted on THE DAY of release:

 

So was this one:

 

So sorry it doesn't fit with your narrative, but facts are facts. End of story.

 

Sticks and stones, mate.

 

And engine sounds? No. Just no. You're absolutely wrong. Not even some of the more rabid IV fans would agree with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koCHYPclgMc

 

You are LYING to me (or trolling) if you watch that video and tell me IV Dukes sounds better than V Dukes. I WILL say this, IV's smoke effects are WAAAAYYYYYYY better than V's.

[slimeball supreme]

I will admit, yeah the engines are better.

 

BUT THE PLAYER MODEL SHADOWS ARE WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS

Not peds. Not other things. The player model.

That was patched in.

 

Promoting your channel again I see...

Tsk tsk tsk.

Edited July 17, 2015 by Mr. Fahrenheit

[CarnageRacing00]

I will admit, yeah the engines are better.

 

BUT THE PLAYER MODEL SHADOWS ARE WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS

Not peds. Not other things. The player model.

That was patched in.

 

Promoting your channel again I see...

Tsk tsk tsk.

 

lol stfu. I made that video FOR a discussion just like this. Jesus Christ. Should I have spent an hour searching YouTube for someone else's video when mine accomplishes the very point I was trying to make? Give me a break dude.

 

Ok, so if it's true that player model shadows were patched in, couldn't you, as a reasonable, intelligent person, assume that it was a bug? I mean, look at the shadow effects in the game on release. You're telling me that Rockstar had no intention of including player model shadows in head lights? That they purposefully "downgraded" the shadow effects in that way, and then patched it back in due to popular demand? Dude... No. The claim was that V didn't have those dynamic shadows by design and therefore it made IV the superior game in that respect. You and I both know damned well that if player dynamic shadows weren't in the game on release, it was a stupid bug, just like how the foliage was frozen when the PS4 version was released. Not like IV was perfect on release, either.

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/552103-gta-iv-is-the-worst-pc-port-of-all-time/

 

http://www.maximumpc.com/worst-pc-ports-2014/

 

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/gta-iv-for-the-pc-definition-of-a-bad-port-26694954/

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/351553-33-terrible-console-port

 

But i don't hold that against IV, even though most people do... because today I can load it up, max everything out and enjoy the game the way it was meant to be played.

Edited July 17, 2015 by MichiganMuscle77

[slimeball supreme]

What?

Where did you get the idea I thought it WASNT a bug?

Because... You know...

it is. Or rather, was.

 

And, I'm sorry, but you are TERRIBLE at detecting sarcasm.

DO I HAVE TO DO THE /S

Edited July 17, 2015 by Mr. Fahrenheit

[gooeyhole]

I like the vids. I agree with you on the engine sounds. But tbh I think the motorcycles in TLAD sound better than the ones in V. V was way better on PC than IV...V runs like a dream, Max Payne 3 level optimization.

Edited July 17, 2015 by Canadian Badass

[CarnageRacing00]

What?

Where did you get the idea I thought it WASNT a bug?

Because... You know...

it is. Or rather, was.

 

And, I'm sorry, but you are TERRIBLE at detecting sarcasm.

DO I HAVE TO DO THE /S

 

Yeah you probably do, because some people would say the things you're saying completely seriously. It's really hard to know!

 

 

But tbh I think the motorcycles in TLAD sound better than the ones in V.

 

I would agree there, but I never ride the bikes if I don't have to so I don't really pay attention. They DO sound terribly weak in V, and honestly I remember some bikes in IV sounding pretty decent.

 

As far as optimization, yeah, they did a GREAT job with V. I've watched some mod videos, one where Funhaus used the car cannon mod and literally just launched hundreds of cars non stop to TRY and crash the game, and it never crashed. It was incredible.

[slimeball supreme]

seriously he didn't get the sarcasm in the tsks

Edited July 17, 2015 by Mr. Fahrenheit

[gooeyhole]

One thing about V that bothers is me is how the cars engines sound a lot better in FPV mode. Maybe that makes sense but it sucks because GTA's third person ofc.

[Lilіth]

I like the vids. I agree with you on the engine sounds. But tbh I think the motorcycles in TLAD sound better than the ones in V. V was way better on PC than IV...V runs like a dream, Max Payne 3 level optimization.

On launch it ran better. With Ill Gotten Gains Part 2 out and the alleged 3MB of junk code the performance is worse right now.

[lol232]

First, thanks for making it nearly f*cking impossible to break apart your quote to respond to individual parts.

Welcome.

 

Second, I know what you're doing, and you can calm right the f*ck down.

You're the one who needs to calm.

 

Now, onto your post:

 

Yes, I was one of the few defending IV when it came out. Now I defend V. I will criticize IV because I'm ALLOWED to criticize it, and because it DESERVES criticism.

Yet you don't allow people to criticize V? Oh, please...

 

With the almost unfaltering, unwaivering, unconditional praise being given to the game suddenly out of nowhere, it's VERY f*cking apparent to me that it's not at all because people are suddenly realizing how "perfect" the game was, but rather, it makes it easier to hate on V when you have something to compare it to - even if you have to f*cking LIE about that thing to make it sound a million times better than it really is.

 

You're the one lying here, and no, the game was perfect long before V was out, it was praised long before V even came to existence, and, by the way, with finding something to compare IV to - there's literally nothing wrong with that.

 

I don't believe for one second that anybody here can replay IV's story mode over and over and over and never get bored. I'm sorry. It may be true, but I won't ever believe it. To me, that's a bold exaggeration fabricated to make V look bad by comparison, just one example of many.

Well, your point doesn't even stand, doesn't even crouch, it doesn't even f*cking lie on the ground. The real point is, you can replay IV way more times than you can replay V without getting bored, do we really need to drop down to a basic level of explaining to explain it to you?

 

Maybe I take it too far, but oh well. Zealous behavior must be met with equal force at times to curtail it. Sorry if that bothers you. Not.

 

I'll repeat this statement because you didn't understand it - People can sit around praising IV all they want, I DO NOT CARE how much people love the game, the only time I get involved is when they take their praise for the game and use it as "propaganda" (if you want to call it that) against V, or hell, any other game for that matter. Just so happens to be V right now. Saying IV is "the best game of the last 15 years" is an intellectually dishonest statement, and the person/people who have said that KNOW it's not true, and KNOW that they don't even really think so. They only SAY that kind of sh*t so they can feel included in the apparent "privileged club" that is the IV forum.

WOW YOU'RE TALKING LIKE SOMEONE STRAIGHT OUTTA TUMBLR. f*ck THE PRIVILEGED IV CISCHOICED SCUM, RIGHT?

"Saying IV is "the best game of the last 15 years" is an intellectually dishonest statement" - there's a difference between being dishonest and expressing an opinion. You should know that.

 

 

On "bashing makes Rockstar learn from their mistakes"... Are you a believer that IV is far superior than V? If so, explain to me how the IV bashing worked out for you guys. We got V out of it. Constructive criticism in place of relentless bashing of IV, the over-exaggerated bullsh*t churned up by ridiculous drama queens who want to blow everything WAY out of proportion just to make a point, might have caused Rockstar to NOT throw away most of what they created with IV, and instead, just tweak it a bit. But of course the caustic reactions to IV caused Rockstar to literally go back to the drawing board for many things, and now look - tons of you are f*cking FURIOUS about it. What the f*ck.

Actually it did work in many ways, V did improve a lot in many ways, but also went downhill in some terms, and now, am I furious?

 

V improved customization but went downhill with making the world more alive and made the story boring. Some things just went underappreciated in IV, and they have to hear us out.

 

Basically, GTA is one looong argument, X likes game A and dislikes B, Y likes B and dislikes A, and the one that complains to Rockstar more will be the one they will listen to more, and the "argument" will keep going on until, hypothetically, both sides are happy.

 

Now you understand how it really works.

 

On the PC vs PC comparison, namely shadows:

 

See this thread:

http://gtaforums.com/topic/784947-light-from-car-headlight-dont-cast-shadow/

 

Since you didn't click on the thread, here's a screen:

 

So the claim was that "even IV had dynamic character shadows when it was released on PC, and V doesn't, therefore IV is better!"... and that claim is utter f*cking bullsh*t, LIKE I SAID.

 

For f*cks sakes, how many times do I have to explain this - ONLY PROTAGONISTS VEHICLE CAN CAST SHADOWS. WHEN FRANKLIN/M/T WALKS NEXT TO HEADLIGHTS OF ANOTHER VEHICLE HIS SHADOW DOESN'T GET CASTED. ONLY PEDESTRIANS DO THAT.

 

Second, you said that I have been making sh*t up to make IV look worse than it is... prove it.

How about you prove that you haven't? :^)

I'm innocent until proven guilty.

 

Jokes aside, I already did with the headlight thing above. Look above, many other posters already did that as well.

 

 

Third, gun sounds. OK, I'll concede. I understand why people like IV's better, that are mixed better and have more of a kick to them... BUT, as per the actual sound effect itself regardless of volume or mixing levels, V's sound more like real guns. If they were cranked up louder with more bass, they would sound great.

The best gun sounds in any game I've ever heard are Max Payne 3's, V's sounds nothing like it. While the "sound recording hardware" may not be as impressive as it was in V, with this hardware they put in much more effort than they did with with the one in V; and even with the crappier hardware they did a better job recreating true gun sounds.

 

And nobody will ever convince me that IV's engines sound better than V's.

It really depends on which vehicle we're talking about.

 

So, nice try buddy, hope it made you feel good to try and go up against me, but... game, set, match.

It's called checkmate, my friend.

 

Have a nice day.

Adios.

Edited July 17, 2015 by lol232

[CarnageRacing00]

You make it hard to reply to your posts. Please stop answering within my quote, that way I can actually respond on my phone.

[donnits]

@MichiganMuscle

I'm on my phone so I can't really say all I want to say in a clear format, but on the part where you don't believe that people could play IV over and over without getting bored, I'd like to ask why? I mean, IV is a story driven game. I appreciate good stories in movies and will sometimes watch a movie twice in row, multiple times a week. With IV, it's a game, so I could play it out myself and do things a little different each time. Kill someone, spare someone, do the deal, exact revenge, use pistol, use shotgun, play realistically, go crazy. For people who like the game, it has incredible replay value.

[CarnageRacing00]

@MichiganMuscle

I'm on my phone so I can't really say all I want to say in a clear format, but on the part where you don't believe that people could play IV over and over without getting bored, I'd like to ask why? I mean, IV is a story driven game. I appreciate good stories in movies and will sometimes watch a movie twice in row, multiple times a week. With IV, it's a game, so I could play it out myself and do things a little different each time. Kill someone, spare someone, do the deal, exact revenge, use pistol, use shotgun, play realistically, go crazy. For people who like the game, it has incredible replay value.

 

I just don't believe that it has THAT MUCH replay value. I mean, I played through it a few times, but I think it was Officer General claiming he's on his 11th play through and is still just as interested as the first time? I just find that very, very hard to believe. 11th playthrough, ok... just as interested as the first time? Just how many times can someone play that first batch of errand-boy tutorial missions without getting bored? That's an attention span unlike anything I've ever seen. They should condense his blood into pill form and use it to treat ADHD.

 

 

 

First, thanks for making it nearly f*cking impossible to break apart your quote to respond to individual parts.

Welcome.

 

Second, I know what you're doing, and you can calm right the f*ck down.

You're the one who needs to calm.

 

Now, onto your post:

 

Yes, I was one of the few defending IV when it came out. Now I defend V. I will criticize IV because I'm ALLOWED to criticize it, and because it DESERVES criticism.

Yet you don't allow people to criticize V? Oh, please...

 

With the almost unfaltering, unwaivering, unconditional praise being given to the game suddenly out of nowhere, it's VERY f*cking apparent to me that it's not at all because people are suddenly realizing how "perfect" the game was, but rather, it makes it easier to hate on V when you have something to compare it to - even if you have to f*cking LIE about that thing to make it sound a million times better than it really is.

 

You're the one lying here, and no, the game was perfect long before V was out, it was praised long before V even came to existence, and, by the way, with finding something to compare IV to - there's literally nothing wrong with that.

 

I don't believe for one second that anybody here can replay IV's story mode over and over and over and never get bored. I'm sorry. It may be true, but I won't ever believe it. To me, that's a bold exaggeration fabricated to make V look bad by comparison, just one example of many.

Well, your point doesn't even stand, doesn't even crouch, it doesn't even f*cking lie on the ground. The real point is, you can replay IV way more times than you can replay V without getting bored, do we really need to drop down to a basic level of explaining to explain it to you?

 

Maybe I take it too far, but oh well. Zealous behavior must be met with equal force at times to curtail it. Sorry if that bothers you. Not.

 

I'll repeat this statement because you didn't understand it - People can sit around praising IV all they want, I DO NOT CARE how much people love the game, the only time I get involved is when they take their praise for the game and use it as "propaganda" (if you want to call it that) against V, or hell, any other game for that matter. Just so happens to be V right now. Saying IV is "the best game of the last 15 years" is an intellectually dishonest statement, and the person/people who have said that KNOW it's not true, and KNOW that they don't even really think so. They only SAY that kind of sh*t so they can feel included in the apparent "privileged club" that is the IV forum.

WOW YOU'RE TALKING LIKE SOMEONE STRAIGHT OUTTA TUMBLR. f*ck THE PRIVILEGED IV CISCHOICED SCUM, RIGHT?

"Saying IV is "the best game of the last 15 years" is an intellectually dishonest statement" - there's a difference between being dishonest and expressing an opinion. You should know that.

 

 

On "bashing makes Rockstar learn from their mistakes"... Are you a believer that IV is far superior than V? If so, explain to me how the IV bashing worked out for you guys. We got V out of it. Constructive criticism in place of relentless bashing of IV, the over-exaggerated bullsh*t churned up by ridiculous drama queens who want to blow everything WAY out of proportion just to make a point, might have caused Rockstar to NOT throw away most of what they created with IV, and instead, just tweak it a bit. But of course the caustic reactions to IV caused Rockstar to literally go back to the drawing board for many things, and now look - tons of you are f*cking FURIOUS about it. What the f*ck.

Actually it did work in many ways, V did improve a lot in many ways, but also went downhill in some terms, and now, am I furious?

 

V improved customization but went downhill with making the world more alive and made the story boring. Some things just went underappreciated in IV, and they have to hear us out.

 

Basically, GTA is one looong argument, X likes game A and dislikes B, Y likes B and dislikes A, and the one that complains to Rockstar more will be the one they will listen to more, and the "argument" will keep going on until, hypothetically, both sides are happy.

 

Now you understand how it really works.

 

On the PC vs PC comparison, namely shadows:

 

See this thread:

http://gtaforums.com/topic/784947-light-from-car-headlight-dont-cast-shadow/

 

Since you didn't click on the thread, here's a screen:

 

So the claim was that "even IV had dynamic character shadows when it was released on PC, and V doesn't, therefore IV is better!"... and that claim is utter f*cking bullsh*t, LIKE I SAID.

 

For f*cks sakes, how many times do I have to explain this - ONLY PROTAGONISTS VEHICLE CAN CAST SHADOWS. WHEN FRANKLIN/M/T WALKS NEXT TO HEADLIGHTS OF ANOTHER VEHICLE HIS SHADOW DOESN'T GET CASTED. ONLY PEDESTRIANS DO THAT.

 

Second, you said that I have been making sh*t up to make IV look worse than it is... prove it.

How about you prove that you haven't? :^)

I'm innocent until proven guilty.

 

Jokes aside, I already did with the headlight thing above. Look above, many other posters already did that as well.

 

 

Third, gun sounds. OK, I'll concede. I understand why people like IV's better, that are mixed better and have more of a kick to them... BUT, as per the actual sound effect itself regardless of volume or mixing levels, V's sound more like real guns. If they were cranked up louder with more bass, they would sound great.

The best gun sounds in any game I've ever heard are Max Payne 3's, V's sounds nothing like it. While the "sound recording hardware" may not be as impressive as it was in V, with this hardware they put in much more effort than they did with with the one in V; and even with the crappier hardware they did a better job recreating true gun sounds.

 

And nobody will ever convince me that IV's engines sound better than V's.

It really depends on which vehicle we're talking about.

 

So, nice try buddy, hope it made you feel good to try and go up against me, but... game, set, match.

It's called checkmate, my friend.

 

Have a nice day.

Adios.

 

 

Ok, back on my PC, but this is the last time I'm gonna respond to your posts unless you change how you do it. Annoying.

 

1. I allow people to criticize V, I don't let them get away with criticizing V for one thing, but praising IV for the very same f*cking thing.

 

2. GTA IV was not seen as perfect, at least not on the level it is now. Some of the fanboys have even admitted that it took V to make them appreciate IV. And you're forgetting, I was one of the few who defended IV from the very same type of bullsh*t that is being flung at V. People unfairly comparing V to IV, the same way they unfairly compared IV to San Andreas. IT'S THE SAME THING ALL OVER AGAIN. Furthermore, I actually DIDN'T want Rockstar to deviate from the IV formula originally. Judging by this post, you'd expect that I would hate V. The fact that you see IV as perfect ruins your credibility. You seriously think the game is perfect? I LOVE the game, and I love V even more, but NEITHER game is even close to perfect. V pisses me off regularly. I tried to play through IV again just to make sure I hadn't forgotten how incredible it was, and I got bored. Not perfect in any way. Great? Oh, yes, definitely.

 

3. Dude, when someone literally says that are on their 11th playthrough of the game and they're just as excited about it as the first time, you're telling me you can't smell the bullsh*t? You're telling me that you honestly believe that, on the ELEVENTH playthrough, they haven't found certain parts of the game to be boring? Because my god, how many f*cking times can you throw a brick at a store window to trigger a short dialogue scene and not get bored of it? Christ. Some people find more replay-ability in IV than V - cool, I'm not one of those people, but good for them. But I don't buy for a second that you can play the story over and over and over, up to and surpassing 11 times, without even BEGINNING to get bored of it.

 

4. No. Saying IV is the best game of the last 15 years is intellectually dishonest. Do you know what "intellectually dishonest" means? "Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion. If one judges others more critically than oneself, that is intellectually dishonest." Saying "IV is my favorite game of the last 15 years" is an opinion. Saying "IV is the best game of the last 15 years" is an "implied factual" statement.

 

5. As far as constructive criticism... Have a look at this post I made. At least two of those ideas were implemented directly. Not saying they saw my thread and went "Put this guy's ideas in V!", but you get what I'm saying.

Oh this one too. http://gtaforums.com/topic/367621-mission-replay/

Not really making a point with this one, just thought it was interesting since I was already looking at my posting history.

 

But you are right about one thing - it is one long argument. I say, it doesn't HAVE to be. As fans of the series, instead of butting heads and trashing whichever game the other side seems to like, we COULD, you know, come together and try to find a way to show what we love about both games, so that the next GTA is more likely to appeal to ALL of us instead of alienating one side or the other... but, you know, "the internet". Can't expect much.

 

6. Shadows: You DIDN'T explain it.

 

This photo was used to represent the argument.

 

That's clearly an NPC in the V screen, and in the IV screen, that's clearly from the beginning of the damned game where you drive Roman home from the docks.

 

So, NPC cars don't cast shadows in V, we know this and I'm not sure why that's considered a problem... how many cars on screen at once in V? So they should all cast dynamic shadows at once? That's insane. That's a LOT of f*cking lighting going on there.

 

Does IV cast shadows from NPC headlights? I'm asking. sh*t I'll boot up the game and find out for myself.

 

7. Making sh*t up to make IV look worse: No, dude, I am innocent until proven guilty, hence why YOU need to provide the proof. Assuming IV NPC cars cast shadows and you were right about that, ASSUMING, ok, that's one. Next?

 

8. Yeah, MP3's gun sounds are great, no argument there. MP3 is a fantastic game all around. If you want to get technical, there is ONE game that i think holds the award for "best gun sounds", it's called H1Z1. They sound GOOD.

 

 

Kinda hard to tell in the video, but when you have good headphones on and the volume up, they sound incredible. Especially gun sounds from a distance - they crack through the sky very realistically.

 

Anyway, back on track, IV used digitally created sounds for guns, and like I said, they are mixed well and have more of an audible punch to them. V used pre-recorded gun sounds, the sound effects themselves sound more like real gun shots, but they're mixed poorly and lack that audible punch. If V's sound effects were mixed like IV's, I think everyone would have been happy.

 

Engine sounds: Ok, fair enough, it DOES depend on the car.. but MOST cars in IV sound like ass with the exception of a few, such as the Sultan RS. Bikes DO sound better in IV.

 

 

EDIT: Yeah, just checked, NPC cars in IV do cast shadows when Shadows and Night Shadows are turned to VERY HIGH. Chugs the sh*t of my system though, and I've got a powerful machine by today's standards. Looks cool but I would sacrifice it in the name of performance.

 

So now my question is, was this or was this not patched for GTA V PC?

Edited July 17, 2015 by MichiganMuscle77

[donnits]

I'm on or over my 20th play through right now. It simply can't be as interesting as my first or fifth, seeing as I know every single part of the story inside and out, I still enjoy the narrative, characters, dialogue, etc. And the beginning is the most interesting part. The dialogue is great here, and the mysterious nature is fascinating. The missions may not be the most fun, but I still find this part very entertaining. And then Russian Revolution happens. Absolutely love this mission and the chain of events it creates. I could go on and on, but just believe me, people can enjoy the story enough to still find it interesting after their 11th or whatever playthrough.

[GamesBoy316]

You ever heard of opinions? Or is that unknown to you? Just because someone likes GTA IV better doesn't mean you can go ahead and argue at them. If someone thinks GTA IV is the best game in a long time, that's their opinion. You can't go ahead and argue at them, that's their opinion, and they're entitled to it. They believe that GTA IV is the best game, and I see nothing wrong with that. Again, it's called opinions.

[lol232]

Listen up lazy daisy, I wrote all of that from my phone too, so stop being lazy about it and you can still write it from your PC once you get back.

 

 

Ok, back on my PC, but this is the last time I'm gonna respond to your posts unless you change how you do it. Annoying.

 

1. I allow people to criticize V, I don't let them get away with criticizing V for one thing, but praising IV for the very same f*cking thing.

Depends on the context behind it. F.e. a feature was done much better in IV therefore it's being praised, but it was done horribly in V therefore it's being criticised.

 

2. GTA IV was not seen as perfect, at least not on the level it is now. Some of the fanboys have even admitted that it took V to make them appreciate IV. And you're forgetting, I was one of the few who defended IV from the very same type of bullsh*t that is being flung at V. People unfairly comparing V to IV, the same way they unfairly compared IV to San Andreas. IT'S THE SAME THING ALL OVER AGAIN. Furthermore, I actually DIDN'T want Rockstar to deviate from the IV formula originally. Judging by this post, you'd expect that I would hate V. The fact that you see IV as perfect ruins your credibility. You seriously think the game is perfect? I LOVE the game, and I love V even more, but NEITHER game is even close to perfect. V pisses me off regularly. I tried to play through IV again just to make sure I hadn't forgotten how incredible it was, and I got bored. Not perfect in any way. Great? Oh, yes, definitely.

Didn't even bother reading after the first sentence.

Do you seriously think that people who bashed IV back in the day are the same people praising it now? I see no such people.

 

3. Dude, when someone literally says that are on their 11th playthrough of the game and they're just as excited about it as the first time, you're telling me you can't smell the bullsh*t? You're telling me that you honestly believe that, on the ELEVENTH playthrough, they haven't found certain parts of the game to be boring? Because my god, how many f*cking times can you throw a brick at a store window to trigger a short dialogue scene and not get bored of it? Christ. Some people find more replay-ability in IV than V - cool, I'm not one of those people, but good for them. But I don't buy for a second that you can play the story over and over and over, up to and surpassing 11 times, without even BEGINNING to get bored of it.

You can't speak for someone regarding if they get bored or not, the fact that IV has much more mission freedom and many different ways to approach a mission, just adds to more replay-ability to IV.

 

That's like liking a sort of food nobody else likes, and they say you're bullsh*tting when you say you like it because they don't.

Poor example, but you get the point, you don't truly know if they are bored or not.

 

4. No. Saying IV is the best game of the last 15 years is intellectually dishonest. Do you know what "intellectually dishonest" means? "Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion. If one judges others more critically than oneself, that is intellectually dishonest." Saying "IV is my favorite game of the last 15 years" is an opinion. Saying "IV is the best game of the last 15 years" is an "implied factual" statement.

Opinions can be irrational.

Saying "IV is the best game of the last 15 years" is still an opinion, whether they like it or not.

 

5. As far as constructive criticism... Have a look at this post I made. At least two of those ideas were implemented directly. Not saying they saw my thread and went "Put this guy's ideas in V!", but you get what I'm saying.

Oh this one too. http://gtaforums.com/topic/367621-mission-replay/

Not really making a point with this one, just thought it was interesting since I was already looking at my posting history.

 

But you are right about one thing - it is one long argument. I say, it doesn't HAVE to be. As fans of the series, instead of butting heads and trashing whichever game the other side seems to like, we COULD, you know, come together and try to find a way to show what we love about both games, so that the next GTA is more likely to appeal to ALL of us instead of alienating one side or the other... but, you know, "the internet". Can't expect much.

Good point.

 

6. Shadows: You DIDN'T explain it.

 

This photo was used to represent the argument.

 

That's clearly an NPC in the V screen, and in the IV screen, that's clearly from the beginning of the damned game where you drive Roman home from the docks.

Which part of "only the vehicle the protagonist is driving will cast shadows" you do not understand?

 

So, NPC cars don't cast shadows in V, we know this and I'm not sure why that's considered a problem... how many cars on screen at once in V? So they should all cast dynamic shadows at once? That's insane. That's a LOT of f*cking lighting going on there.

It. Doesn't. Matter. PC's will eventually be able to handle it (they still can if you lower down some graphical settings), they could have added an option for NPC headlights to cast shadows; they didn't.

 

Does IV cast shadows from NPC headlights? I'm asking. sh*t I'll boot up the game and find out for myself.

Yes it does.

 

7. Making sh*t up to make IV look worse: No, dude, I am innocent until proven guilty, hence why YOU need to provide the proof. Assuming IV NPC cars cast shadows and you were right about that, ASSUMING, ok, that's one. Next?

No, you were the one to tell that I was lying, how about you prove that.

(But you realise I was joking, right?)

 

Gun sounds, Sultan RS, IV physic et cetera.

 

8. Yeah, MP3's gun sounds are great, no argument there. MP3 is a fantastic game all around. If you want to get technical, there is ONE game that i think holds the award for "best gun sounds", it's called H1Z1. They sound GOOD.

 

Kinda hard to tell in the video, but when you have good headphones on and the volume up, they sound incredible. Especially gun sounds from a distance - they crack through the sky very realistically.

Nice. Impressive.

 

Anyway, back on track, IV used digitally created sounds for guns, and like I said, they are mixed well and have more of an audible punch to them. V used pre-recorded gun sounds, the sound effects themselves sound more like real gun shots, but they're mixed poorly and lack that audible punch. If V's sound effects were mixed like IV's, I think everyone would have been happy.

 

Engine sounds: Ok, fair enough, it DOES depend on the car.. but MOST cars in IV sound like ass with the exception of a few, such as the Sultan RS. Bikes DO sound better in IV.

If I haven't mentioned it before, It also depends on how does their real-life counterpart sounds as well.

 

EDIT: Yeah, just checked, NPC cars in IV do cast shadows when Shadows and Night Shadows are turned to VERY HIGH. Chugs the sh*t of my system though, and I've got a powerful machine by today's standards. Looks cool but I would sacrifice it in the name of performance.

 

So now my question is, was this or was this not patched for GTA V PC?

No, not yet, at least.

Edited July 17, 2015 by lol232

[DianaPetran]

147 - Mohammed taxi driver

 

[The Dedito Gae]

Words!!

More Words!!

 

My god, i'm a dumb c*nt but at least i can edit quotes!

Do you even gtaforums guys???!!

Edited July 17, 2015 by Midnight Hitman

[lol232]

 

Words!!

More Words!!

My god, i'm a dumb c*nt but at least i can edit quotes!

Do you even gtaforums guys???!!

 

Both of knew how to GTAForums long before you.

What are you talking about? Can't handle a good argument between two people?

[The Dedito Gae]

What are you talking about? Can't handle a good argument between two people?

It would be cool if you take the work of editing your chat, i'm sure it's not hard for two veterans.

 

 

And i would really i would appreciate if Mich77 would stop replying to EVERY post in here.

[lol232]

 

What are you talking about? Can't handle a good argument between two people?

It would be cool if you take the work of editing your chat, i'm sure it's not hard for two veterans.

And i would really i would appreciate if Mich77 would stop replying to EVERY post in here.

 

It would be cool if you take the work of editing your chat

take the work of editing your chat

take the work of editing your chat

...W-what?

Can you explain?

Edited July 17, 2015 by lol232

[slimeball supreme]

All I want is SOMEONE to really please LEAVE so we can get back on topic with this discussion.

Edited July 17, 2015 by Mr. Fahrenheit

[Dee-account-with-1kbans]

V ass kissing in a IV thread?

 

Starring Michigan?

 

Shocker.

 

How are you not banned? You derail threads just because you can't stand to see V criticized