The Concept Creators' Lounge

[CrumMunchers]

1 hour ago, One of Wisemen said:

To be fair, GTA V started out with Michael and Franklin, and then made Trevor the only playable for few missions.

 

I don't see much problem in either takes, but if you feel that the Jason's opening act is too long, then consider cutting the less important parts or recycling them into other story sections.

As of right now, I'm sitting at like 28-30 missions for Jason lol, and based on that, it's looking like it's going to be a pretty long story, which is why I'm still wondering on how to go about it.

In terms of the less important parts, most of it feels very important for the story since it's setting up the main conflict, and essentially setting the gears into motion for the rest of the story.

It's a bit hard to explain without getting into spoilers, but I'll definitely take this into consideration. Some of the subplots last for a few missions, so I might scale that down, but I'm worried about it being another V scenario where the early game moves too quickly instead of taking its time if that makes any sense.

[Guest]

16 hours ago, CrumMunchers said:

As of right now, I'm sitting at like 28-30 missions for Jason lol, and based on that, it's looking like it's going to be a pretty long story, which is why I'm still wondering on how to go about it.

Oof, that's as long as an EFLC episode.

 

Did you say that Lucia appeared in Chapter 1 but unplayable? If Jason has a backstory to explore in that chapter, does Lucia have one too?

 

Because another way I can think of is to have both Jason and Lucia's backstories run concurrently in Chapter 1. Both would be playable, but they have separate tales and can't interact together. Like Better Call Saul. Saul Goodman and Mike Ehrmantraut have their own businesses and the show tells both perspectives at the same time.

 

So just for example, the first chapter follows Jason's early days in Leonida and all the troubles he gets into, while also follows Lucia's prison life and her efforts to apply for parole. Until the end of the chapter, where they meet each other, they're on their own.

[CrumMunchers]

7 hours ago, One of Wisemen said:

Oof, that's as long as an EFLC episode.

 

Did you say that Lucia appeared in Chapter 1 but unplayable? If Jason has a backstory to explore in that chapter, does Lucia have one too?

 

Because another way I can think of is to have both Jason and Lucia's backstories run concurrently in Chapter 1. Both would be playable, but they have separate tales and can't interact together. Like Better Call Saul. Saul Goodman and Mike Ehrmantraut have their own businesses and the show tells both perspectives at the same time.

 

So just for example, the first chapter follows Jason's early days in Leonida and all the troubles he gets into, while also follows Lucia's prison life and her efforts to apply for parole. Until the end of the chapter, where they meet each other, they're on their own.

This is an interesting alternative.

 

As of right now, Lucia's backstory wouldn't necessarily be explored until the second chapter, since the first chapter sets the stage up for the wheels to get into motion. Chapter 2 would expand on this, with Chapter 3 being Lucia only, which would set up the rest of the story in motion.

The more I think about it, the more off I find the pacing to be with how it might come off, so there's still room to change things as need be. 

I do like the idea of having both characters have their side of the story before they meet, but with how the story's been written, it may not work, or it might just be too long like how it already is lol.
 

I'm ngl, I hadn't thought about it this way, but I'll see if I could make it work this way instead. 

[universetwisters]

Someone talk me out of writing another concept that I’ll post and completely abandon, having put everything I wanted from beginning to end in the first post as opposed to updating it sporadically to retain interest 

[Guest]

11 hours ago, universetwisters said:

Someone talk me out of writing another concept that I’ll post and completely abandon, having put everything I wanted from beginning to end in the first post as opposed to updating it sporadically to retain interest 

What do you have this time in mind, universetwisters? Ultra realistic pizza delivery DLC?

[universetwisters]

14 hours ago, One of Wisemen said:

What do you have this time in mind, universetwisters? Ultra realistic pizza delivery DLC?

I was thinking about some kind of open ended plotless series of missions between two or three factions and you’re the errand boy between them. Think of GTA 2 but instead of some futuristic cyberpunk city it’s some small fishing town on the mid-Atlantic coast that’s an  amalgamation of various Virginian coastal towns that my family’s been attached to for generations. Warsaw, Tappahanock, etc

You’re some f*ckin loser (because losers are the funnest to write for) who can choose to get involved with some small time juggalo drug dealers, some biker gang, or local corporation that’s sucking the town’s economy dry idk I’m still futzing with it. If you work for one, you get a lot of perks at the cost of the other two targeting and hating you. Conversely you can ignore all of this and just run through the woods chasing conspiracy theories and deliver Chinese food (hahaha f*ck you i through a wrench in your ideas). The missions you’d get from the factions would probably just be like the mafiya work stuff from IV’s multiplayer or something analogous. Idk I got some dev doc sheets full of unused sh*t I can prob yank sh*t from if I’m at a block and not feeling creative

 

The only thing really keeping me from this is my IV mod project and other real life obligations like my job and working on my cars. Also also if I do do this I’d want it to be some kind of mod because turning things from ideas to something playable is the cleanest best pleasure but as it is there’s already a lot of overlap with my aforementioned IV thing so idk 

 

[CrumMunchers]

On 9/20/2024 at 11:29 AM, CrumMunchers said:

This is an interesting alternative.

 

As of right now, Lucia's backstory wouldn't necessarily be explored until the second chapter, since the first chapter sets the stage up for the wheels to get into motion. Chapter 2 would expand on this, with Chapter 3 being Lucia only, which would set up the rest of the story in motion.

The more I think about it, the more off I find the pacing to be with how it might come off, so there's still room to change things as need be. 

I do like the idea of having both characters have their side of the story before they meet, but with how the story's been written, it may not work, or it might just be too long like how it already is lol.
 

I'm ngl, I hadn't thought about it this way, but I'll see if I could make it work this way instead. 

Monthly update lol

I took Wise's advice and I think his suggestion was definitely the way to go. Chapter One has been altered and retrofitted a bit because of this, and the result is looking promising, with both Jason and Lucia's stories running independently yet concurrently, with it eventually colliding towards the last chunk of the chapter.

The only thing now is to make sure the missions themselves are actually not boring and just filler, so that'll be the next thing to make sure on.

 

As for everything else, the map is still being worked on, and was actually rebooted thanks to some new things learned, so progress is taking a bit longer on that, but hopefully I'll be able to finish things up asap.

I know this thread and the forum has been quiet for the most part aside from some of the new concepts that've dropped as well, but hopefully some activity can be brought when my concept is ready to go

[Guest]

Damn it, I'm posting on the wrong section.

 

Anyway, keep up the positivity guys.

Edited October 21, 2024 by One of Wisemen

[Elitor]

GTA The Crystal Opportunity, not really a IV DLC at 100%, very much a new game using IV data i guess

 

 Also, i acept names of this citys in this map, i can desaprove and aprove any of them

Edited October 24, 2024 by Elitor

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Elitor said:

GTA The Crystal Opportunity, not really a IV DLC at 100%, very much a new game using IV data i guess

I can't access the map. What is it exactly?

Edited October 25, 2024 by One of Wisemen

[Elitor]

4 hours ago, One of Wisemen said:

I can't access the map. What is it exactly?

my bad ok..

here, i'll try another page uploader 

https://imgur.com/a/rXDSGdc

 

I am not sure why it is not displayed 

Edited October 25, 2024 by Elitor

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, Elitor said:

my bad ok..

here, i'll try another page uploader 

https://imgur.com/a/rXDSGdc

 

I am not sure why it is not displayed 

Sorry, mind if you can paste the image directly here (use the "insert image from URL" option) and put it inside a spoiler tab? Because: (1) Imgur is blocked in Indonesia, and (2) Imgur blocks VPN. The frustration. It's just impossible for me to visit imgur unless the image is embedded here. If not, just tell me outright here what are the city names.

 

Anyway, tell us more about what else you have in mind. There was a similar concept eons ago about Jerry Kapowitz after GTA IV. You can read it for inspiration.

[Elitor]

1 hour ago, One of Wisemen said:

Sorry, mind if you can paste the image directly here (use the "insert image from URL" option) and put it inside a spoiler tab? Because: (1) Imgur is blocked in Indonesia, and (2) Imgur blocks VPN. The frustration. It's just impossible for me to visit imgur unless the image is embedded here. If not, just tell me outright here what are the city names.

 

Anyway, tell us more about what else you have in mind. There was a similar concept eons ago about Jerry Kapowitz after GTA IV. You can read it for inspiration.

Gasp* too bad

i'll try again

[Elitor]

[Guest]

18 hours ago, Elitor said:

So you plan for Vice City and Caribbean (Cuba, Hispaniola, etc)?

 

What's the story plan anyway? Jerry going around as the diamond's curse follows him?

[Elitor]

13 hours ago, One of Wisemen said:

So you plan for Vice City and Caribbean (Cuba, Hispaniola, etc)?

 

What's the story plan anyway? Jerry going around as the diamond's curse follows him?

is not Hispanic, still USA here

 

[universetwisters]

7 hours ago, Elitor said:

is not Hispanic, still USA here

 

-new england-

 

A) Since that's New England, can we expect to see an HD universe take on Bullworth?

B) If this is set in MA and the Car Talk guys aren't at least the antagonists I'm not interested lol jk

 

 

[Elitor]

1 hour ago, universetwisters said:

 

A) Since that's New England, can we expect to see an HD universe take on Bullworth?

B) If this is set in MA and the Car Talk guys aren't at least the antagonists I'm not interested lol jk

 

 

No, is not england, idk why tf it says that in my post, it just a massachusets area.

 

B. if that's the best it could lead to something 

Edited October 27, 2024 by Elitor

[universetwisters]

3 hours ago, Elitor said:

No, is not england, idk why tf it says that in my post, it just a massachusets area.

 

Did you not know Massachusetts is part of the New England region?

[LowTierDude]

10 minutes ago, universetwisters said:

 

Did you not know Massachusetts is part of the New England region?

Really? Always thought Massachusetts was in France.

[universetwisters]

8 minutes ago, LowTierDude said:

Really? Always thought Massachusetts was in France.

 

Nah they moved it sometime in the 90s

[Elitor]

10 hours ago, universetwisters said:

 

Did you not know Massachusetts is part of the New England region?

I really didn't know, but that's how it is

[Elitor]

10 hours ago, universetwisters said:

 

Nah they moved it sometime in the 90s

A. nope, it will not come out, don't you see that there are 2 islands based on that site, I think there is a Japanese area

[universetwisters]

2 hours ago, Elitor said:

A. nope, it will not come out, don't you see that there are 2 islands based on that site, I think there is a Japanese area

If you’re using the Cape Cod & Martha’s Vineyard as the setting for your concept, there aren’t many Japanese influences other than some fancy Japanese restaurants. There’s those but nothing analogous to a Little Italy or Chinatown neighborhood, though if you wanna add a Little Tokyo or whatever nobody’s gonna stop you 

[Elitor]

17 hours ago, universetwisters said:

If you’re using the Cape Cod & Martha’s Vineyard as the setting for your concept, there aren’t many Japanese influences other than some fancy Japanese restaurants. There’s those but nothing analogous to a Little Italy or Chinatown neighborhood, though if you wanna add a Little Tokyo or whatever nobody’s gonna stop you 

Then I'll add more influence points, because that's basically what I imagine.

 

Ujum.. regarding the estimate, should I make a discord sv?

Edited October 28, 2024 by Elitor

[CrumMunchers]

For a concept, are there any specific things that are recommended to be added outside of what's expected, like location names or something similar?

[Guest]

On 11/3/2024 at 9:57 AM, CrumMunchers said:

For a concept, are there any specific things that are recommended to be added outside of what's expected, like location names or something similar?

The way a concept is presented can be a gamechanger. It doesn't mean you must have graphics/images. It means the thread must be readable. You know which section is which (e.g. different missions). Font type, size, color, and style must be comfortable in the eyes. Many old concept from early 2010s suffered from poor presentation, look up yourself.

Edited November 5, 2024 by One of Wisemen

[CrumMunchers]

2 minutes ago, One of Wisemen said:

The way a concept is presented can be a gamechanger. It doesn't mean you must have graphics/images. It means the thread must be readable. You know which section is which (e.g. different missions). Font type, size, color, and style are comfortable in the eyes. Many old concept from early 2010s suffered from this.

I've been working on graphics and images and I think it works kinda well so far, but I've still got a while to go before anything gets published.

So far, the sections I have are currently are:

1. Author's Note
2. Introduction
3. Setting
4. Protagonists
5. A.I. and Technology Improvements
6. Gameplay and Mechanics
7. More Gameplay and New Systems
8. Open World Activities
9. Vehicles
10. Strangers and Freaks
11. Soundtrack and Radio Stations
12. Story

 

It's a lot, and I definitely wanna clean up any fluff that could be put elsewhere or just together. I might remove A.I. and Technology Improvements since I don't think it's really all that important to the concept, and I might combine the gameplay and mechanics and systems sections as well.

 

I still need to add more to the other sections, but this is what I have so far

[psychedtfout]

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Edited November 23, 2024 by psychedtfout

[psychedtfout]

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Edited November 23, 2024 by psychedtfout