Lemoyne outlaw Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 a more dramatic death? i was playing the mission pier 69 and was thinking ryder should have had a cutscene death he was one of my favorite charecters and he just blew up on the boat and i wish he had a last words thing like pulaski. what are your thoughts? Jioyt 123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Blasting him from the pier with the Rocket launcher doesn't yield such an ending. Since CJ is so far away he wouldn't hear anything other than the BOOM. Explosive death isn't conducive to lengthy soliloquy. Besides Ryder is a junkie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasidichomeboy Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 how do we know that ryder died? all we saw was the boat blowing up, he could've just jumped off and swam to shore Jeansowaty, WhiteLines, Deus Ex and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jioyt 123 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I agree. His death was pretty much the same as any normal character. Earlier in the game, he was your friend and you helped each other. T-Bone should have had Ryders death as we didnt really know him much. Or maybe ryder was meant, origonally, to get away? Perhaps his death wasnt dramatic as if we in our heads were to think of what happened after the boat blew up. Maybe he survived, maybe he died, its up to you to decide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watersgta3 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 how do we know that ryder died? all we saw was the boat blowing up, he could've just jumped off and swam to shore Yeah. Just like these users are saying that Catalina might have survived the helicopter crash in GTA 3 or Lance might have been wearing body armor and pretended to be dead in front of Tommy in GTA Vice City. So who's to say that Ryder couldn't have survived the boat explosive? There's a 45% chance that he might've jumped out and dove under the water before it exploded, then swam to shore while CJ was out of sight. I mean after all, it is Grand Theft Auto. Anything is possible, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeansowaty Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 It might be possible for him to have survived. My theory is, that he dived over to the shore on the Desert and became an insane "man of the wild". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--Vega-- Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 A cutscene would've been nice but in all honesty I'm happy with the boat chase alone. I hated Ryder he was such a snitch. (I've met plenty of snitches in the real world that have his same personality type) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJX74 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Posted this in the other thread, but according to audio files this is how it should have went: Deus Ex, Misunderstood, Jeansowaty and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA19somethin Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 A cutscene would've been nice but in all honesty I'm happy with the boat chase alone. I hated Ryder he was such a snitch. (I've met plenty of snitches in the real world that have his same personality type) Yeah. It's a shame he turned his back on Grove Street like that, because watching him in cutscenes, I truly thought he would stay a staunch Grove Street Family gang member. Guess not. Waste of a great character. smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Ex Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I heard that Pier 69 was supposed to be different. Ryder was supposed to be killed on Pier and T Bone in boat chase. But they swapped it. But i do agree that it'd be more interesting if Ryder had a cutscene or something, his importance was quite big, he was CJ's old friend. Oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jioyt 123 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) Yeah, like dues said. Also T Bone was hardely known compared to Ryder. And on top of that, TBone was an enemy from the start( when we first met him). Ryder was an allie who later turned out to betray you(despite he didnt actually do much to betray you, as he used drugs and was dodgy anyways) Also isn't there another topic speaking on similar grounds to this one Edited July 11, 2014 by Jioyt 123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiesw5948 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Nah, his death was just fine IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--Vega-- Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 A cutscene would've been nice but in all honesty I'm happy with the boat chase alone. I hated Ryder he was such a snitch. (I've met plenty of snitches in the real world that have his same personality type) Yeah. It's a shame he turned his back on Grove Street like that, because watching him in cutscenes, I truly thought he would stay a staunch Grove Street Family gang member. Guess not. Waste of a great character. smh Yeah. Usually, much like in real life, the people who are the most "try-hard" are also the most full of sh*t and usually have ulterior motives. Not always but you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Ex Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) A cutscene would've been nice but in all honesty I'm happy with the boat chase alone. I hated Ryder he was such a snitch. (I've met plenty of snitches in the real world that have his same personality type) Yeah. It's a shame he turned his back on Grove Street like that, because watching him in cutscenes, I truly thought he would stay a staunch Grove Street Family gang member. Guess not. Waste of a great character. smh Yeah. Usually, much like in real life, the people who are the most "try-hard" are also the most full of sh*t and usually have ulterior motives. Not always but you know what I mean. Yes. I always was suspicious about it. He used his "grove 4-life" to cover his betrayal. Edited July 12, 2014 by Deus Ex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemoyne outlaw Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 i saw a movie like youtube video awhile ago were it was ryder survived and went to vice city and tried to get some money and go back and get his revenge on cj it was cool and like yall said he could have dove out real quick he always talked like he was a ninja. i thought ryde was a cool charecter and even though he betrayed carl atleast it took persuasion to get him to betray. which means he still might have liked grove street. Jioyt 123 and Deus Ex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jioyt 123 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 You mean ryders revenge? That was a cool mini series, i loved the trailer aswell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemoyne outlaw Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 yep thats it it was pretty cool Jioyt 123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyz2Society Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Honestly, Ryder shouldn't have became a traitor to begin with, but if they were going to kill him off, they should've at least had a conversation between him and CJ. Seeing as how CJ is considered the "caring" protagonist, you'd think he would at least talk to his friend before killing him. This is what should've happened. After CJ causes Ryder's boat to blow up, he encounters Ryder again in the last mission when he is about to exit the crack house after killing Big Smoke. When CJ becomes shocked that Ryder had, in fact, somehow survived the boat explosion, Ryder explains that he jumped out of the boat and dove under the water right before the vehicle's impending explosion. Then he swam to shore right after CJ was out of his sight and was incognito for a while. Then he and CJ would get into a huge gunfight around the burning flames and Ryder would be hard to kill since he has a stronger weapon and is much more elusive than CJ. But CJ still manages to finally shoot him down and asks Ryder why he would turn his back on him. Ryder explains that he was convinced by Smoke and never intended to betray the Grove Street Families. He apologizes to CJ and his last words are "See you in hell, CJ. You'll always be my homie, even after I f*cked you, your brother, and the rest of the Groves over." right before finally dying as the building continues to burn. That would've been an epic ending for such a great character. Revolver1, ChebbyZ, WhiteLines and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Ex Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 i saw a movie like youtube video awhile ago were it was ryder survived and went to vice city and tried to get some money and go back and get his revenge on cj it was cool and like yall said he could have dove out real quick he always talked like he was a ninja. i thought ryde was a cool charecter and even though he betrayed carl atleast it took persuasion to get him to betray. which means he still might have liked grove street. I saw that move too, it was nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA19somethin Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Honestly, Ryder shouldn't have became a traitor to begin with, but if they were going to kill him off, they should've at least had a conversation between him and CJ. Seeing as how CJ is considered the "caring" protagonist, you'd think he would at least talk to his friend before killing him. This is what should've happened. After CJ causes Ryder's boat to blow up, he encounters Ryder again in the last mission when he is about to exit the crack house after killing Big Smoke. When CJ becomes shocked that Ryder had, in fact, somehow survived the boat explosion, Ryder explains that he jumped out of the boat and dove under the water right before the vehicle's impending explosion. Then he swam to shore right after CJ was out of his sight and was incognito for a while. Then he and CJ would get into a huge gunfight around the burning flames and Ryder would be hard to kill since he has a stronger weapon and is much more elusive than CJ. But CJ still manages to finally shoot him down and asks Ryder why he would turn his back on him. Ryder explains that he was convinced by Smoke and never intended to betray the Grove Street Families. He apologizes to CJ and his last words are "See you in hell, CJ. You'll always be my homie, even after I f*cked you, your brother, and the rest of the Groves over." right before finally dying as the building continues to burn. That would've been an epic ending for such a great character. Man, if that really happened at the end of the game, it would be in my list of not only the best mission in GTA San Andreas, but also the greatest video game storyline last mission of all time. That's what should have been done. Instead of having Ryder killed in the mission, R* should've had him survive the boat explosion and he would return in the last mission to battle CJ. Not only would that be epic, but it would've made GTA San Andreas much more unique since all of the GTA characters you kill are dead and don't survive at all. Jeansowaty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetroFloaty Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Honestly, Ryder shouldn't have became a traitor to begin with, but if they were going to kill him off, they should've at least had a conversation between him and CJ. Seeing as how CJ is considered the "caring" protagonist, you'd think he would at least talk to his friend before killing him. This is what should've happened. After CJ causes Ryder's boat to blow up, he encounters Ryder again in the last mission when he is about to exit the crack house after killing Big Smoke. When CJ becomes shocked that Ryder had, in fact, somehow survived the boat explosion, Ryder explains that he jumped out of the boat and dove under the water right before the vehicle's impending explosion. Then he swam to shore right after CJ was out of his sight and was incognito for a while. Then he and CJ would get into a huge gunfight around the burning flames and Ryder would be hard to kill since he has a stronger weapon and is much more elusive than CJ. But CJ still manages to finally shoot him down and asks Ryder why he would turn his back on him. Ryder explains that he was convinced by Smoke and never intended to betray the Grove Street Families. He apologizes to CJ and his last words are "See you in hell, CJ. You'll always be my homie, even after I f*cked you, your brother, and the rest of the Groves over." right before finally dying as the building continues to burn. That would've been an epic ending for such a great character. Man, if that really happened at the end of the game, it would be in my list of not only the best mission in GTA San Andreas, but also the greatest video game storyline last mission of all time. That's what should have been done. Instead of having Ryder killed in the mission, R* should've had him survive the boat explosion and he would return in the last mission to battle CJ. Not only would that be epic, but it would've made GTA San Andreas much more unique since all of the GTA characters you kill are dead and don't survive at all. Except for Mike Toreno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA19somethin Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Honestly, Ryder shouldn't have became a traitor to begin with, but if they were going to kill him off, they should've at least had a conversation between him and CJ. Seeing as how CJ is considered the "caring" protagonist, you'd think he would at least talk to his friend before killing him. This is what should've happened. After CJ causes Ryder's boat to blow up, he encounters Ryder again in the last mission when he is about to exit the crack house after killing Big Smoke. When CJ becomes shocked that Ryder had, in fact, somehow survived the boat explosion, Ryder explains that he jumped out of the boat and dove under the water right before the vehicle's impending explosion. Then he swam to shore right after CJ was out of his sight and was incognito for a while. Then he and CJ would get into a huge gunfight around the burning flames and Ryder would be hard to kill since he has a stronger weapon and is much more elusive than CJ. But CJ still manages to finally shoot him down and asks Ryder why he would turn his back on him. Ryder explains that he was convinced by Smoke and never intended to betray the Grove Street Families. He apologizes to CJ and his last words are "See you in hell, CJ. You'll always be my homie, even after I f*cked you, your brother, and the rest of the Groves over." right before finally dying as the building continues to burn. That would've been an epic ending for such a great character. Man, if that really happened at the end of the game, it would be in my list of not only the best mission in GTA San Andreas, but also the greatest video game storyline last mission of all time. That's what should have been done. Instead of having Ryder killed in the mission, R* should've had him survive the boat explosion and he would return in the last mission to battle CJ. Not only would that be epic, but it would've made GTA San Andreas much more unique since all of the GTA characters you kill are dead and don't survive at all. Except for Mike Toreno. You talking about the mission Toreno's Last Flight? That helicopter CJ shot down was just a decoy sent by Toreno. He was never inside the helicopter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watersgta3 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Honestly, Ryder shouldn't have became a traitor to begin with, but if they were going to kill him off, they should've at least had a conversation between him and CJ. Seeing as how CJ is considered the "caring" protagonist, you'd think he would at least talk to his friend before killing him. This is what should've happened. After CJ causes Ryder's boat to blow up, he encounters Ryder again in the last mission when he is about to exit the crack house after killing Big Smoke. When CJ becomes shocked that Ryder had, in fact, somehow survived the boat explosion, Ryder explains that he jumped out of the boat and dove under the water right before the vehicle's impending explosion. Then he swam to shore right after CJ was out of his sight and was incognito for a while. Then he and CJ would get into a huge gunfight around the burning flames and Ryder would be hard to kill since he has a stronger weapon and is much more elusive than CJ. But CJ still manages to finally shoot him down and asks Ryder why he would turn his back on him. Ryder explains that he was convinced by Smoke and never intended to betray the Grove Street Families. He apologizes to CJ and his last words are "See you in hell, CJ. You'll always be my homie, even after I f*cked you, your brother, and the rest of the Groves over." right before finally dying as the building continues to burn. That would've been an epic ending for such a great character. Man, if that really happened at the end of the game, it would be in my list of not only the best mission in GTA San Andreas, but also the greatest video game storyline last mission of all time. That's what should have been done. Instead of having Ryder killed in the mission, R* should've had him survive the boat explosion and he would return in the last mission to battle CJ. Not only would that be epic, but it would've made GTA San Andreas much more unique since all of the GTA characters you kill are dead and don't survive at all. Except for Mike Toreno. That was a joke, right? Because anyone who played the game knows that Toreno sent that helicopter as a decoy while he was incognito for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 People, Let us EDIT down those QUOTES, to just what you are replying to. OR if you are responding to the previous post don't even quote at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jioyt 123 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Off topic, but, LW, where you ever a moderator on these forums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latigreblue Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 The dialogue for that mission between CJ and Ryder is also very odd. It always sounded to me like Ryder's voice actor was not required at all for the scenes as the two quotes I heard from Ryder - 'You can't stop me!' and 'I'm a [email protected] genius!' sound like miscellaneous audio recorded for previous missions. It also didn't make that much sense as replies in terms of what was being said by Carl. I agree that the dialogue could have been fleshed out a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiizardii Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Obviously, R* f*cked up his death. IMO, it would have been better if he was not the one who betrayed the famillies and CJ, only Big smoke being the only that betrayed them with CRASH. Ryder could have been with CJ in San fierro in the woods, and done some funny missions with him: Because he has no clue what to do in San fierro and stuff like that. Now, if he would die: I think CJ should have done an execution or cut scene kill. Ryder did not deserve to swim, and only go half way and get shot by CJ with a 50. cal sniper bullet.. ChebbyZ, NightmanCometh96, WhiteLines and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega_Is_Here Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) In the beta you kill ryder in a different way... You confront him face to face with Cesar and then you shoot him... Much better then the final version IMO Download things to do in san andreas 4 more info Edited August 10, 2014 by Lone Rider UltraGizmo64, ChebbyZ, Jioyt 123 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadrage19 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 He shouldn't have betrayed GSF in the first place. Him turning into a traitor went against his passionate, staunch personality in the beginning of the game. wiizardii 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 i shot him with my sniper and he floated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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