Last gen console limitations

[InTheShadowsSince04]

Will the next gen versions support 32 players? I'm assuming the PC version will but what about the Xbox/PS4 versions?

 

where did you hear that to assume?...or did you make a post because you thought your cheap two cents on how pc is better was gonna make you feel good inside?

 

mods do better(delete dumb comments. not saying this one, jut in general)

[DODI3OG]

 

The cosnoles really did have limitations but I believe people around here just use that limitation as an excuse to justify a lot of the game's issues. They really can't admit that a lot of that sh*t was Rockstar's design choice, You can't tell me ''limtation this, limitation that'' when other games have managed to pull certain things off that GTA V didn't on the same old consoles. For example, you can't tell me that Rockstar removed more than half of the map's trees because of limitation when other games such as Far Cry 3 could pull off to have a much denser vegetation system, not just more trees, all that on the same consoles.

Mainly because Far Cry 3 map is just a bunch of islands? That's exactly why there's much more vegetation and better textures as well as attention to details because it is not an open world game like GTA, it's much more restricted and the main focus is single player.

 

You cannot compare two different games. Leave it to the experts because they know what they are talking about. However the only companies I personally don't trust are Ubisoft, EA and Activision/Treyarch.

 

This.

 

And Far Cry 3 had a lot of trees all over it because it doesn't have to spawn peds, traffic, and gigantic meshes(buildings) at the same time as trees.

[Algonquin Assassin]

I don't see where the fun activities in GTA SA are.

 

50% of the game's activities revolve around the old formula of: Drive to A, pick up Y or kill X and escape the cops asshole. Then you had lowriding and dancing which were absolute bullsh*t and had delayed controls.

 

We may not agree on a lot of things, but I agree with this. The only decent activity was burglary IMO.

[VIPΣR]

GTA V didn't even come out on last gen consoles.

 

PS3 & XB360 are still current gen, since retailers still sell brand new ones. Until retailers stop selling them, they'll be current gen.

 

Just like PS4 & XBOne are no longer next gen, since they are available for purchase at retailers.

 

There are variations to the rule, but not pertaining to the topic in this thread. These rules apply, considering the content of this topic.

There are still stores selling PS2s. By your logic it would mean that the PS2 is current gen.

Edited June 27, 2014 by Undertaker13

[Shadowfennekin]

 

 

 

The limitations didn't stop it. The excessive focus on graphics stopped it, a huge chunk of the budget was spent on graphics and "detail" over stuff to do.

Lol the PS3 can hardly handle GTA V. It's perfectly playable but it acts weird. Whenever I exit Online to play Single Player, I spawn as Michael. His Tailgater is always missing it's wheels, bumpers, and hood. And half the buildings are invisible. After a few seconds everything is back to normal. WTF.

 

You downloaded the digital version.

 

The retail disc works almost perfectly.

So the disk form doesn't have any rendering issues? At all?

 

Well..... probably Online problem but I entered my garage earlier and the textures were messed up for a minute.

[lol232]

 

 

That console limitations excuse is just bullsh*t to me.

Everything's bullsh*t to you.

 

 

Yeah especially your opinions

 

It's hilarious how you keep arguing when everyone wrecks you. Just back out already, how have no clue what you are talking about.

Even funnier that you liked the post which said "80% of the game is lazy coding", you're just here to bash the new GTA, and when GTA VI comes out you'll praise V.

 

When GTA V for PC comes out, tell me how good your game runs on 512Mb RAM.

Hell, use all the console equivalent (PS3 on 360) specs and tell me how it can run so nicely, because there's SO little to process on SO much hardware!

Edited June 27, 2014 by lol232

[pilscy]

ill say it before and ill say it again... 80% of this game is lazy coding! ... y'all fanboys can keep defending y'all sh*t.. i got my opinion

[Official General]

 

 

 

That console limitations excuse is just bullsh*t to me.

Everything's bullsh*t to you.

 

 

Yeah especially your opinions

 

It's hilarious how you keep arguing when everyone wrecks you. Just back out already, how have no clue what you are talking about.

Even funnier that you liked the post which said "80% of the game is lazy coding", you're just here to bash the new GTA, and when GTA VI comes out you'll praise V.

 

When GTA V for PC comes out, tell me how good your game runs on 512Mb RAM.

Hell, use all the console equivalent (PS3 on 360) specs and tell me how it can run so nicely, because there's SO little to process on SO much hardware!

 

 

@ lol232

 

If GTA V stays the same with very few changes or additions after the new-gen and PC version is released, then there is no way I will be praising it in the future, not a chance in hell. Right now, V is the worst GTA to me ever sice III, it's gonna take some kind of a miracle for me to suddenly just decide V was actually great after all, even if the next GTA after it is sh*t. If the next GTA comes out and that turns out to be sh*t, I will simply conclude that both GTA V and GTA VI are sh*t. I don't know why people like you keep on making such idiotic assumptions that people bash GTA games for the sake of it. Many people like me are genuinely big GTA fans that just wanted V to be a great game and we're voicing our disappointment that it's not.

 

And don't know what the PC talk is all about, I definitely play no part in that stupid PC vs consoles nonsense, so please kill that noise with me.

Edited June 27, 2014 by Official General

[lol232]

I stopped reading when you stated "Very few changes"

Err no

Cats

Hammerhead sharks

different types dogs (More wildlife in general)

dynamic grass,

improved physics,

way more graphical details (just look at the picture with rust),

way denser pedestrains (and more pedestrian models),

way denser traffic,

I can go on and on...

 

...The game will feel much more alive.

You're just making an idiot of yourself. Stop it, for your sakes, just, stop it.

Edited June 27, 2014 by lol232

[Official General]

I stopped reading when you stated "Very few changes"

Err no

Cats

Hammerhead sharks

different types dogs (More wildlife in general)

dynamic grass,

improved physics,

way more graphical details (just look at the picture with rust),

way denser pedestrains (and more pedestrian models),

way denser traffic,

I can go on and on...

 

...The game will feel much more alive.

You're just making an idiot of yourself. Stop it, for your sakes, just, stop it.

 

* Cats - Nice, as I actually do like cats. But really could not care if they were in the game or not.

* Hammerhead sharks - There are sharks in the original game anyway. Sharks are still sharks.

* Different types of dogs - For dog lovers yeah it's cool, but for me I could not care about various kinds of dogs in a GTA game.

* More wildlife - I'll believe just how good that is when I see it, after the original letdown. My judgement is still out on that.

* Dynamic grass - Seriously like I give a f*ck about that ?? Lool !!

* Way more graphical details - I think V looks amazing on the PS3 as it is, and I'm more than happy with graphics as they are now.

* Denser pedestrians - Yeah that's cool, but not significant an addition enough on it's own. More interiors to compliment it would be great.

* Denser traffic - That's ok, but I thought the traffic in original PS3 version was good enough, so more vehicles on the road don't wow me.

* And you can go on and on ? Well, I'm waiting for more exciting scoops, if there is something I've missed please do share with me......

 

I sincerely hope what you say is true regarding the new-gen/PC version making the game feel more alive and much better - but I'll believe that when I know more and see it from official sources. I'm certainly not gonna take your word for it.

 

I'm making myself look an idiot because I expressed my own opinion ? Hmmmm let's see. Nah I disagree, and no I won't stop nothing pal.

Edited June 27, 2014 by Official General

[Fuzzknuckles]

ill say it before and ill say it again... 80% of this game is lazy coding! ... y'all fanboys can keep defending y'all sh*t.. i got my opinion

Please, feel free to show us your own games.

[A.O.D.88]

Another factor besides last gen console limitations and lazy dev choices is Rockstar's rabid foaming at the mouth obsession with the Online.

 

There is doubt that a massive amount of very important content and probably the bulk of Franklin's story background were absolutely gutted due to focus on the Online.

 

We would have had the trailer 1 game but GTA Online literally drove a train through it.

[Geralt of Rivia]

There is doubt that a massive amount of very important content and probably the bulk of Franklin's story background were absolutely gutted due to focus on the Online.

 

We would have had the trailer 1 game but GTA Online literally drove a train through it.

Why do you keep spewing that? It makes literally no sense.

[lol232]

 

I stopped reading when you stated "Very few changes"

Err no

Cats

Hammerhead sharks

different types dogs (More wildlife in general)

dynamic grass,

improved physics,

way more graphical details (just look at the picture with rust),

way denser pedestrains (and more pedestrian models),

way denser traffic,

I can go on and on...

 

...The game will feel much more alive.

You're just making an idiot of yourself. Stop it, for your sakes, just, stop it.

* Cats - Nice, as I actually do like cats. But really could not care if they were in the game or not.

* Hammerhead sharks - There are sharks in the original game anyway. Sharks are still sharks.

* Different types of dogs - For dog lovers yeah it's cool, but for me I could not care about various kinds of dogs in a GTA game.

* More wildlife - I'll believe just how good that is when I see it, after the original letdown. My judgement is still out on that.

* Dynamic grass - Seriously like I give a f*ck about that ?? Lool !!

* Way more graphical details - I think V looks amazing on the PS3 as it is, and I'm more than happy with graphics as they are now.

* Denser pedestrians - Yeah that's cool, but not significant an addition enough on it's own. More interiors to compliment it would be great.

* Denser traffic - That's ok, but I thought the traffic in original PS3 version was good enough, so more vehicles on the road don't wow me.

* And you can go on and on ? Well, I'm waiting for more exciting scoops, if there is something I've missed please do share with me......

 

I sincerely hope what you say is true regarding the new-gen/PC version making the game feel more alive and much better - but I'll believe that when I know more and see it from official sources. I'm certainly not gonna take your word for it.

 

I'm making myself look an idiot because I expressed my own opinion ? Hmmmm let's see. Nah I disagree, and no I won't stop nothing pal.

 

I won't bother reading your idiocy, but implying "very little changes", is stupid.

[Geralt of Rivia]

No, OG, you're making yourself look like an idiot by calling something "bullsh*t", while having absolutely zero clue as to what you're talking about.

 

You were, by definition, talking out of your ass.

 

That is why he said you're making yourself look like an idiot. Because you are by doing what you're doing.

 

Well, also the other thing. But it came in a bundle deal for him. I don't care about that.

Edited June 27, 2014 by TheMasterfocker

[Wylight]

So, are you telling me that less vegetation, and animals on the LG version was Rockstar's design choice?

 

 

 

And also, don't compare a game like GTA V to a game like FC3, they're two totally different things, with two totally different environment and nature. Plus the fact that the map is just a bunch of islands with copy/paste AI and different coding.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Take a look at this gif. Notice the rust textures on the grain silos. You'd probably say that it was Rockstar's game design choice, but they added something totally different from the last version. Which proves that it wasn't just another dumb design choice.

 

Vegetation no, trees? YES, Then why do you think the next-gen version of GTA V has the same amount of them? Still console limitation? Please, give me a break, I won't say everything was their design choice and no limitation at all, but this ''console limitation'' excuse is way too over-used to justifiy literally everything that people find as being wrong or not good enough. And FC3 was just a bare example.

You can't just directly compare games like that.

 

 

 

That's the problem.

 

Too many people aren't informed enough on this topic.

 

But if you are so well informed then why don't you enlighten us all with your divine knowledge?

Mainly because Far Cry 3 map is just a bunch of islands? That's exactly why there's much more vegetation and better textures as well as attention to details because it is not an open world game like GTA, it's much more restricted and the main focus is single player.

 

 

 

You cannot compare two different games. Leave it to the experts because they know what they are talking about. However the only companies I personally don't trust are Ubisoft, EA and Activision/Treyarch.

 

Sorry but FC3 is totally open world mate. And it was just a bare example, you don't have to take it literally as a straight comparison.

Edited June 27, 2014 by Skizzo45

[Wylight]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@ lol232

 

If GTA V stays the same with very few changes or additions after the new-gen and PC version is released, then there is no way I will be praising it in the future, not a chance in hell. Right now, V is the worst GTA to me ever sice III, it's gonna take some kind of a miracle for me to suddenly just decide V was actually great after all, even if the next GTA after it is sh*t. If the next GTA comes out and that turns out to be sh*t, I will simply conclude that both GTA V and GTA VI are sh*t. I don't know why people like you keep on making such idiotic assumptions that people bash GTA games for the sake of it. Many people like me are genuinely big GTA fans that just wanted V to be a great game and we're voicing our disappointment that it's not.

 

And don't know what the PC talk is all about, I definitely play no part in that stupid PC vs consoles nonsense, so please kill that noise with me.

 

 

 

The worst one ever? C'mon do you really hate it that much as to say it's the worst since GTA IV? For real, that's a bit off I think, surely it isn't a perfect game and I ain't the one here to defend it but worst one ever? I can't really say that.

[Geralt of Rivia]

Silver Wolf answered it nicely already .

 

Also, the fact that you think you can just directly compare games shows how you have no idea what you're talking about. It's not black and white. It's not as easy as "Far Cry 3 has more trees, obviously R* did something."

Edited June 27, 2014 by TheMasterfocker

[S1LV3R_W0LF]

Silver Wolf answered it nicely already .

Don't bother, I assumed that after what I wrote I would get some constructive answers to prove me wrong, but far as it goes it remains the same "it is BS because I said it is BS, and the facts mean nothing when my word is over it". I'd like to have some constructive criticism over what I say and to explain me why I'm wrong, but in the past 3 years I never saw that happen and even when some tried they were proven wrong (those are CG graphics, R* said that was from PS3, there is no DX11 or any effects, specially because V PC doesn't exist and most likely never will, it will be like RDR and at best it will be just another port like IV was... this happened back in 2011, and like this there were plenty more).

 

This is another nice thread to favorite and to return once the game is out or maybe sooner when R* starts marketing the game and showing how much different it actually is, but most importantly why people need to re-buy it... they have it very well planned otherwise only a small fraction of who already bought it will go for it again, when V comes out people with CG consoles will jump into new titles if V doesn't have much more to offer then what entertained them in the past year.

 

Once again, this is not any sort of inside info or wishful thinking, just the use of logic and common sense.

Edited June 27, 2014 by S1LV3R_W0LF

[Officer Ronson]

Actually SOL I've been starting to play IV lately, I find most of the activties far more enjoyable than the ones in SA for some reason. The only reason why I am still playing SA today is because of SAMP.

[bish0p2004]

 

 

I stopped reading when you stated "Very few changes"

Err no

Cats

Hammerhead sharks

different types dogs (More wildlife in general)

dynamic grass,

improved physics,

way more graphical details (just look at the picture with rust),

way denser pedestrains (and more pedestrian models),

way denser traffic,

I can go on and on...

 

...The game will feel much more alive.

You're just making an idiot of yourself. Stop it, for your sakes, just, stop it.

* Cats - Nice, as I actually do like cats. But really could not care if they were in the game or not.

* Hammerhead sharks - There are sharks in the original game anyway. Sharks are still sharks.

* Different types of dogs - For dog lovers yeah it's cool, but for me I could not care about various kinds of dogs in a GTA game.

* More wildlife - I'll believe just how good that is when I see it, after the original letdown. My judgement is still out on that.

* Dynamic grass - Seriously like I give a f*ck about that ?? Lool !!

* Way more graphical details - I think V looks amazing on the PS3 as it is, and I'm more than happy with graphics as they are now.

* Denser pedestrians - Yeah that's cool, but not significant an addition enough on it's own. More interiors to compliment it would be great.

* Denser traffic - That's ok, but I thought the traffic in original PS3 version was good enough, so more vehicles on the road don't wow me.

* And you can go on and on ? Well, I'm waiting for more exciting scoops, if there is something I've missed please do share with me......

 

I sincerely hope what you say is true regarding the new-gen/PC version making the game feel more alive and much better - but I'll believe that when I know more and see it from official sources. I'm certainly not gonna take your word for it.

 

I'm making myself look an idiot because I expressed my own opinion ? Hmmmm let's see. Nah I disagree, and no I won't stop nothing pal.

I won't bother reading your idiocy, but implying "very little changes", is stupid.

Well, he does have a point.

 

All of the changes you mentioned are eye candy, which is pretty much the only thing V definitely has over other GTA games (something that's usually expected of games on better hardware).

 

Now, while I don't necessarily agree that V on NG will be the determining factor on whether it's console limitations or just Rockstars laziness and arrogance (which I'm leaning towards now) on why GTA V wasn't that great for some people; I do feel that 6 will be pretty conclusive on which one it is.

[B Dawg]

 

The cosnoles really did have limitations but I believe people around here just use that limitation as an excuse to justify a lot of the game's issues. They really can't admit that a lot of that sh*t was Rockstar's design choice, You can't tell me ''limtation this, limitation that'' when other games have managed to pull certain things off that GTA V didn't on the same old consoles. For example, you can't tell me that Rockstar removed more than half of the map's trees because of limitation when other games such as Far Cry 3 could pull off to have a much denser vegetation system, not just more trees, all that on the same consoles.

 

Wait, wait... are you comparing an open world FPS, in the middle of nowhere with scripted enemy bases, random nature animals in the wild and random copy/ paste NPC's going around without doing much, to a game that is "alive and breathing" from start to end?

 

Despite of being "open worlds" they are very different in terms of processing and coding. And that is the reason why you can't compare games like Far Cry, Crysis or even Just Cause 2, to GTA V. The way things happen are very different and have different demand in processing terms.

 

Well they could have made a big forest away from Los Santos or nearby roads where no peds or cars would need to spawn, therefore freeing up a lot of memory for trees, animals, vegetation and such. The game can handle a city with hundreds of buildings around the player, each building with it's own unique texture, a sh*t ton of vehicles, peds, objects like trash cans, helicopters in the sky, etc... Surely it can handle some copy paste trees and grass!

 

Actually SOL I've been starting to play IV lately, I find most of the activties far more enjoyable than the ones in SA for some reason. The only reason why I am still playing SA today is because of SAMP.

I still play SA. Burglaries, drive-bys with homies where you don't have to shoot, repeating missions with Big Smoke, it's still a great game.

Edited June 27, 2014 by B Dawg

[pilscy]

 

ill say it before and ill say it again... 80% of this game is lazy coding! ... y'all fanboys can keep defending y'all sh*t.. i got my opinion

Please, feel free to show us your own games.

 

 

see, i see what u tried to do here but u failed... i never said i code games dumb ass... IDGAF what kinda coding it is... the game could've been coded better .... a lot of the sh*t in this games feels repeated... and then they talk bout this limitation sh*t... GTF

Actually SOL I've been starting to play IV lately, I find most of the activties far more enjoyable than the ones in SA for some reason. The only reason why I am still playing SA today is because of SAMP.

 

and this is the reason I still play SAMP ... GTA SA has no limitations . i mod the sh*t outa it and enjoy it... and before someone say I'm comparing read what i just said... just stated

 

When this game [GTA 5] comes to pc and disappoint y'all dumb ass fan boys i hope y'all happy

 

 

Lastly... i want y'all to go to the top of the map... in the forest and tell me again if that sh*t aint lazy .... nothing there... just 25% of a map is a city and the rest bullsh*t but y'all happy with that... i guess getting a actually residential area in that area [top of the map] wasn't coding then...

 

 

I guess the reason we don't have animals online wasn't lazy coding.. or limitations too... GTFO ..

 

Stop defending this sh*t man,,, i like the game but y'all fanboys love it

Edited June 27, 2014 by pilscy

[iam2fresh]

op why is it that every post that i see you in your bashing gta 5 or comparing it to "the amazing san andreas"

[Geralt of Rivia]

And Pilscy, once again, shows everyone he has no idea what he's talking about

[iam2fresh]

 

 

ill say it before and ill say it again... 80% of this game is lazy coding! ... y'all fanboys can keep defending y'all sh*t.. i got my opinion

Please, feel free to show us your own games.

 

 

see, i see what u tried to do here but u failed... i never said i code games dumb ass... IDGAF what kinda coding it is... the game could've been coded better .... a lot of the sh*t in this games feels repeated... and then they talk bout this limitation sh*t... GTF

Actually SOL I've been starting to play IV lately, I find most of the activties far more enjoyable than the ones in SA for some reason. The only reason why I am still playing SA today is because of SAMP.

 

and this is the reason I still play SAMP ... GTA SA has no limitations . i mod the sh*t outa it and enjoy it... and before someone say I'm comparing read what i just said... just stated

 

When this game [GTA 5] comes to pc and disappoint y'all dumb ass fan boys i hope y'all happy

 

 

Lastly... i want y'all to go to the top of the map... in the forest and tell me again if that sh*t aint lazy .... nothing there... just 25% of a map is a city and the rest bullsh*t but y'all happy with that... i guess getting a actually residential area in that area [top of the map] wasn't coding then...

 

 

I guess the reason we don't have animals online wasn't lazy coding.. or limitations too... GTFO ..

 

Stop defending this sh*t man,,, i like the game but y'all fanboys love it

 

gta 5 fanboys are just as bad as san andreas fanboys and why are you comparing your powefull pc with a almost 10 year old console

[Misunderstood]

 

Will the next gen versions support 32 players? I'm assuming the PC version will but what about the Xbox/PS4 versions?

 

where did you hear that to assume?...or did you make a post because you thought your cheap two cents on how pc is better was gonna make you feel good inside?

 

mods do better(delete dumb comments. not saying this one, jut in general)

 

I'm assuming the PC will support 32 players because GTA IV had 32 players. Going off of that, I just thought it would have 32. 32 would benefit GTA V anyways as the map is huge and 16 players on it is not enough.

 

Lol, I don't even own a PC that can play GTA SA on medium settings so why would it make me feel good inside? lol

[pilscy]

lol you know, masterflocker... ima just accept tha fact that u be trolling ...Good Job

 

And since "next gen" wouldn have "limitations" i want at least 60 ppl per lobby... how bout that.. lets see this happen

Edited June 27, 2014 by pilscy

[Geralt of Rivia]

lol you know, masterflocker... ima just accept tha fact that u be trolling ...Good Job

 

That's hilarious coming from you.

 

And since "next gen" wouldn have "limitations" i want at least 60 ppl per lobby... how bout that.. lets see this happen

 

Who said it wouldn't have limitations? Why are you pulling stuff out of your ass to try and save face? You've embarrassed yourself enough, I would recommend stopping while you're so far behind.

 

--------------------------

 

Anyway, back to your comment about the countryside:

 

Look at this.

 

Since it's not limitations, please explain to me why R* didn't seem to feel like making ground textures for LG, but decided to do it for NG? Did they have a change of heart? Did they just wake up on the right side of the bed that morning?

 

Or are you just an idiot?

 

The answer is...

You're an idiot

 

Edited June 27, 2014 by TheMasterfocker

[_Kindled_]

lol you know, masterflocker... ima just accept tha fact that u be trolling ...Good Job

 

And since "next gen" wouldn have "limitations" i want at least 60 ppl per lobby... how bout that.. lets see this happen

I accepted that you were a troll a LOOONG time ago,

 

You know sh*t about coding. But instead, you try to give advice to professional developers(Rockstar)?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tip: Everything isn't about coding. So, stop using it as your excuse. It's much more complicated.

Edited June 27, 2014 by _Kindled_