Rockstar's Policy is strict for GTA5's Engine RAGE

[Ezza.]

 

 

Like I said before, Don't try modding Online for PC.

Thank you for those insightful words of wisdom. I don't what I would have done without your guidance Fireman Sam.

 

You know what professional people say?

 

" I'm just doing my job."

 

LOL

 

How about cash cards becoming like a black market?

That's impossible.

 

1) Cash cards don't exist. They're intangible. It's like going into a store to buy ITunes cards without verifying them at the register. They have to be verified by both Microsoft/Sony and R* before you get the cash

 

2) Cash Cards have nothing to with the RAGE engine. They're server based. The only way you'd be prosecuted for reverse engineering the RAGE (Rockstar Something Game Engine) is if you found out exactly how it worked then sold it to another game development company. EA, Ubi, Hactyoutelevision, even small time dev studios like Gameloft. You'd be a rich criminal, but you'd still be a criminal

 

How about the Rich people doing this for Online? Would you be happy if Rich people do this too?

 

Did what? What are you talking about now?

[Sentrion]

OP, apparently you don't know that most mods are not even reverse engineered. RAGE engine's reverse engineering would be something different than modding and would be like releasing the full source code.

 

And then again, Singleplayer Mods are the only PC ones. GTA Online mods would get patched and the author banned. It's nothing new. It has happened before and will happen in future.

[lpgunit]

 

Like I said before, Don't try modding Online for PC.

Thank you for those insightful words of wisdom. I don't what I would have done without your guidance Fireman Sam.

 

And I LOL'd hard at how Sam liked our posts when it's clear that our views are obviously contrary to whatever it is he's blabbing about (regardless of whether he knows what he's writing or not).

 

Seriously, with that logic you're insisting on, pretty much everyone on XDA Forums, the ReactOS/Wine project, and everyone else doing reverse-engineering would've been in the slammer right now. Rooting/jailbreaking and the OSX86 project constitutes a terms of service violation, and yet people who do it still walk away from it all. It's the practice of reverse-engineering for unfair means i.e. piracy that would put people at risk.

 

And are you on skooma or something? Just because Snowden exposed mass surveillance operations from the NSA doesn't mean you have the right to blab about how we're pretty much screwed. You're making mountains out of molehills, son, believe me.

[Fireman Sam]

 

 

Wall of text

I fully understand the dta collection, hell I'm a software engineering student at university, we're taught how to do it. What I'm saying is that they cant really do anything with the data they collect with out doing something illegal or in the case of governments collecting data, they cant doing anything without a warrant. It's in a companies best interest not to f*ck over their customers, this is why google and facebook only sell the information WITHOUT NAMES ATTACHED. The info they sell cant be traced back to an individual.

 

Another way of explaining:

You're hitting two issues here, 1: The federal governments data mining and 2: The way companies hand data the auto collect by you visiting their site.

 

In the former case, you are protect by law and have nothing to worry about unless you do something stupid and in the later case companies need your business so they don't want to piss you off thus anything they sell is anonymous and most of it is just data the use to make advertising target you.

 

What the NSA did was legal because they had warrants, and only targeted suspects (not to defend the NSA).

 

All in all you're exaggerating the issue, most likely because you don't fully understand what's going on, you'll need to trust me, unless you do something illegal or extremely stupid that'll get on a watch list, you'll be fine.

 

 

EDIT:

 

To point out the obvious: All countries do at least some internal spying, but more importantly the people they are spying on ARE NOT INNOCENT.

 

I'm not so sure Google (or Facebook) don't sell data that isn't linked to individuals, if they didn't their data would be next to worthless. They sell the data so that individuals (YOU and me and others) can be targeted with advertisements and other nice stuff.

 

This is why I highly detest a company such as Google, and make no mistake, they are a datamining and advertising company that's how the make money.

 

Data mining by governments should also stop. Surely it would be illegal in most countries to pro-activily tap into Phone calls, yet data mining isn't a problem. Data mining should only be possible with a warrant, yet the warrant is only needed for the data to be admissable in court, the data mining practice can commence without a warrant.

 

If the postal companies in the world would open mail everyone would scream bloody murder, yet massive data mining is ok ? Doesn't make sense.

 

 

 

 

 

Like I said before, Don't try modding Online for PC.

Thank you for those insightful words of wisdom. I don't what I would have done without your guidance Fireman Sam.

 

You know what professional people say?

 

" I'm just doing my job."

 

LOL

 

How about cash cards becoming like a black market?

That's impossible.

 

1) Cash cards don't exist. They're intangible. It's like going into a store to buy ITunes cards without verifying them at the register. They have to be verified by both Microsoft/Sony and R* before you get the cash

 

2) Cash Cards have nothing to with the RAGE engine. They're server based. The only way you'd be prosecuted for reverse engineering the RAGE (Rockstar Something Game Engine) is if you found out exactly how it worked then sold it to another game development company. EA, Ubi, Hactyoutelevision, even small time dev studios like Gameloft. You'd be a rich criminal, but you'd still be a criminal

 

How about the Rich people doing this for Online? Would you be happy if Rich people do this too?

 

Did what? What are you talking about now?

 

What I said is that, would you like Rich People using cashing cards as a black market?

[Ruscris2]

OP, apparently you don't know that most mods are not even reverse engineered. RAGE engine's reverse engineering would be something different than modding and would be like releasing the full source code.

 

And then again, Singleplayer Mods are the only PC ones. GTA Online mods would get patched and the author banned. It's nothing new. It has happened before and will happen in future.

 

Actually modding would be impossible without reverse engineering.

[Fireman Sam]

 

 

Like I said before, Don't try modding Online for PC.

Thank you for those insightful words of wisdom. I don't what I would have done without your guidance Fireman Sam.

 

And I LOL'd hard at how Sam liked our posts when it's clear that our views are obviously contrary to whatever it is he's blabbing about (regardless of whether he knows what he's writing or not).

 

Seriously, with that logic you're insisting on, pretty much everyone on XDA Forums, the ReactOS/Wine project, and everyone else doing reverse-engineering would've been in the slammer right now. Rooting/jailbreaking and the OSX86 project constitutes a terms of service violation, and yet people who do it still walk away from it all. It's the practice of reverse-engineering for unfair means i.e. piracy that would put people at risk.

 

And are you on skooma or something? Just because Snowden exposed mass surveillance operations from the NSA doesn't mean you have the right to blab about how we're pretty much screwed. You're making mountains out of molehills, son, believe me.

 

Oh yeah? what else more?

[Ezza.]

 

What I said is that, would you like Rich People using cashing cards as a black market?

 

 

 

How could they use cash cards as a black market?

[TheGodDamnMaster]

 

 

Wall of text

I fully understand the dta collection, hell I'm a software engineering student at university, we're taught how to do it. What I'm saying is that they cant really do anything with the data they collect with out doing something illegal or in the case of governments collecting data, they cant doing anything without a warrant. It's in a companies best interest not to f*ck over their customers, this is why google and facebook only sell the information WITHOUT NAMES ATTACHED. The info they sell cant be traced back to an individual.

 

Another way of explaining:

You're hitting two issues here, 1: The federal governments data mining and 2: The way companies hand data the auto collect by you visiting their site.

 

In the former case, you are protect by law and have nothing to worry about unless you do something stupid and in the later case companies need your business so they don't want to piss you off thus anything they sell is anonymous and most of it is just data the use to make advertising target you.

 

What the NSA did was legal because they had warrants, and only targeted suspects (not to defend the NSA).

 

All in all you're exaggerating the issue, most likely because you don't fully understand what's going on, you'll need to trust me, unless you do something illegal or extremely stupid that'll get on a watch list, you'll be fine.

 

 

EDIT:

 

To point out the obvious: All countries do at least some internal spying, but more importantly the people they are spying on ARE NOT INNOCENT.

I'm not so sure Google (or Facebook) don't sell data that isn't linked to individuals, if they didn't their data would be next to worthless. They sell the data so that individuals (YOU and me and others) can be targeted with advertisements and other nice stuff.

 

This is why I highly detest a company such as Google, and make no mistake, they are a datamining and advertising company that's how the make money.

 

Data mining by governments should also stop. Surely it would be illegal in most countries to pro-activily tap into Phone calls, yet data mining isn't a problem. Data mining should only be possible with a warrant, yet the warrant is only needed for the data to be admissable in court, the data mining practice can commence without a warrant.

 

If the postal companies in the world would open mail everyone would scream bloody murder, yet massive data mining is ok ? Doesn't make sense.

Well that's an omnipresent risk with every channel of communication you use. There's no point in making a fuss over it. All you have to do is watch what you say and type when using these services and you'll be fine. Like I said earlier, you're the only one to blame for whatever information is exploited via these channels because you made the conscious decision to post it in the first place.

[Sentrion]

 

OP, apparently you don't know that most mods are not even reverse engineered. RAGE engine's reverse engineering would be something different than modding and would be like releasing the full source code.

 

And then again, Singleplayer Mods are the only PC ones. GTA Online mods would get patched and the author banned. It's nothing new. It has happened before and will happen in future.

Actually modding would be impossible without reverse engineering.

 

Changing simple IDE, IPL or DAT file values isn't reverse engineering. What I'm referring is basic modding. There are several modding rules here at GTAF and I'm sure they'll be accountable for limitations on GTA V Modding.

[lpgunit]

That's why I used Xliveless for GTA IV.

 

And look at what R* did once in their Newswire - they even promoted the GTA III and the original GTA map on RAGE projects, and afaik even the ICEnhancer mod. How come they would have the guts to do that if they really are strict in their policies?

[Fireman Sam]

 

 

Wall of text

I fully understand the dta collection, hell I'm a software engineering student at university, we're taught how to do it. What I'm saying is that they cant really do anything with the data they collect with out doing something illegal or in the case of governments collecting data, they cant doing anything without a warrant. It's in a companies best interest not to f*ck over their customers, this is why google and facebook only sell the information WITHOUT NAMES ATTACHED. The info they sell cant be traced back to an individual.

 

Another way of explaining:

You're hitting two issues here, 1: The federal governments data mining and 2: The way companies hand data the auto collect by you visiting their site.

 

In the former case, you are protect by law and have nothing to worry about unless you do something stupid and in the later case companies need your business so they don't want to piss you off thus anything they sell is anonymous and most of it is just data the use to make advertising target you.

 

What the NSA did was legal because they had warrants, and only targeted suspects (not to defend the NSA).

 

All in all you're exaggerating the issue, most likely because you don't fully understand what's going on, you'll need to trust me, unless you do something illegal or extremely stupid that'll get on a watch list, you'll be fine.

 

 

EDIT:

 

To point out the obvious: All countries do at least some internal spying, but more importantly the people they are spying on ARE NOT INNOCENT.

 

I'm not so sure Google (or Facebook) don't sell data that isn't linked to individuals, if they didn't their data would be next to worthless. They sell the data so that individuals (YOU and me and others) can be targeted with advertisements and other nice stuff.

 

This is why I highly detest a company such as Google, and make no mistake, they are a datamining and advertising company that's how the make money.

 

Data mining by governments should also stop. Surely it would be illegal in most countries to pro-activily tap into Phone calls, yet data mining isn't a problem. Data mining should only be possible with a warrant, yet the warrant is only needed for the data to be admissable in court, the data mining practice can commence without a warrant.

 

If the postal companies in the world would open mail everyone would scream bloody murder, yet massive data mining is ok ? Doesn't make sense.

 

We have this

 

 

What I said is that, would you like Rich People using cashing cards as a black market?

 

 

 

How could they use cash cards as a black market?

 

A Cash card generators? or a automated FREE cash card to buy without paying REAL $$$$

[Sentrion]

That's why I used Xliveless for GTA IV.

 

And look at what R* did once in their Newswire - they even promoted the GTA III and the original GTA map on RAGE projects, and afaik even the ICEnhancer mod. How come they would have the guts to do that if they really are strict in their policies?

This. It's concrete proof of Rockstar's support on modding community. Modding isn't like redistribution of files or just like warez. It's just modifying the game to your own likes.

 

There are certain limitations on it and will always be.

[Fireman Sam]

 

That's why I used Xliveless for GTA IV.

 

And look at what R* did once in their Newswire - they even promoted the GTA III and the original GTA map on RAGE projects, and afaik even the ICEnhancer mod. How come they would have the guts to do that if they really are strict in their policies?

This. It's concrete proof of Rockstar's support on modding community. Modding isn't like redistribution of files or just like warez. It's just modifying the game to your own likes.

 

There are certain limitations on it and will always be.

 

source? where's the link?

[Sentrion]

 

 

That's why I used Xliveless for GTA IV.

 

And look at what R* did once in their Newswire - they even promoted the GTA III and the original GTA map on RAGE projects, and afaik even the ICEnhancer mod. How come they would have the guts to do that if they really are strict in their policies?

This. It's concrete proof of Rockstar's support on modding community. Modding isn't like redistribution of files or just like warez. It's just modifying the game to your own likes.

 

There are certain limitations on it and will always be.

 

source? where's the link?

 

You might want to check the pinned topics in Modding Sections.

[lpgunit]

 

That's why I used Xliveless for GTA IV.

 

And look at what R* did once in their Newswire - they even promoted the GTA III and the original GTA map on RAGE projects, and afaik even the ICEnhancer mod. How come they would have the guts to do that if they really are strict in their policies?

This. It's concrete proof of Rockstar's support on modding community. Modding isn't like redistribution of files or just like warez. It's just modifying the game to your own likes.

 

There are certain limitations on it and will always be.

 

It would've been perhaps better if they exposed the RAGE framework for modding, like with Source and Cryengine for example.

 

And I think you should quit on taking whatever cold medication you're in, Sam. You're adding to America's problems with all that paranoia you're causing.

[Ezza.]

 

 

 

Wall of text

I fully understand the dta collection, hell I'm a software engineering student at university, we're taught how to do it. What I'm saying is that they cant really do anything with the data they collect with out doing something illegal or in the case of governments collecting data, they cant doing anything without a warrant. It's in a companies best interest not to f*ck over their customers, this is why google and facebook only sell the information WITHOUT NAMES ATTACHED. The info they sell cant be traced back to an individual.

 

Another way of explaining:

You're hitting two issues here, 1: The federal governments data mining and 2: The way companies hand data the auto collect by you visiting their site.

 

In the former case, you are protect by law and have nothing to worry about unless you do something stupid and in the later case companies need your business so they don't want to piss you off thus anything they sell is anonymous and most of it is just data the use to make advertising target you.

 

What the NSA did was legal because they had warrants, and only targeted suspects (not to defend the NSA).

 

All in all you're exaggerating the issue, most likely because you don't fully understand what's going on, you'll need to trust me, unless you do something illegal or extremely stupid that'll get on a watch list, you'll be fine.

 

 

EDIT:

 

To point out the obvious: All countries do at least some internal spying, but more importantly the people they are spying on ARE NOT INNOCENT.

 

I'm not so sure Google (or Facebook) don't sell data that isn't linked to individuals, if they didn't their data would be next to worthless. They sell the data so that individuals (YOU and me and others) can be targeted with advertisements and other nice stuff.

 

This is why I highly detest a company such as Google, and make no mistake, they are a datamining and advertising company that's how the make money.

 

Data mining by governments should also stop. Surely it would be illegal in most countries to pro-activily tap into Phone calls, yet data mining isn't a problem. Data mining should only be possible with a warrant, yet the warrant is only needed for the data to be admissable in court, the data mining practice can commence without a warrant.

 

If the postal companies in the world would open mail everyone would scream bloody murder, yet massive data mining is ok ? Doesn't make sense.

 

We have this

 

 

What I said is that, would you like Rich People using cashing cards as a black market?

 

 

 

How could they use cash cards as a black market?

 

A Cash card generators? or a automated FREE cash card to buy without paying REAL $$$$

 

WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

 

For a cash card to ACTUALLY BE VALID, it must be verified by Rockstar. There will not be a black market generator. It would take Rockstar literally 5 seconds to realise the cash cards are fake, and take it down.

 

Then there'd be legal action against the creators

[Sentrion]

 

 

That's why I used Xliveless for GTA IV.

 

And look at what R* did once in their Newswire - they even promoted the GTA III and the original GTA map on RAGE projects, and afaik even the ICEnhancer mod. How come they would have the guts to do that if they really are strict in their policies?

This. It's concrete proof of Rockstar's support on modding community. Modding isn't like redistribution of files or just like warez. It's just modifying the game to your own likes.

 

There are certain limitations on it and will always be.

 

It would've been perhaps better if they exposed the RAGE framework for modding, like with Source and Cryengine for example.

 

Yeah. Indeed, it would have helped better to create mods for previous RAGE Engines like GTA IV. But again, we don't know how comfortable they are with the core modding stuff.

[lpgunit]

WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

 

For a cash card to ACTUALLY BE VALID, it must be verified by Rockstar. There will not be a black market generator. It would take Rockstar literally 5 seconds to realise the cash cards are fake, and take it down.

 

Then there'd be legal action against the creators

Just as how supposed gift card generators for Amazon and others are nothing but fakes. Heh, even the codes produced by keygens can be flagged as invalid by developers - it works on the client when you're trying to spoof a CD key, but verifying it online would result in a dud.

[kj2022]

 

 

 

Wall of text

I fully understand the dta collection, hell I'm a software engineering student at university, we're taught how to do it. What I'm saying is that they cant really do anything with the data they collect with out doing something illegal or in the case of governments collecting data, they cant doing anything without a warrant. It's in a companies best interest not to f*ck over their customers, this is why google and facebook only sell the information WITHOUT NAMES ATTACHED. The info they sell cant be traced back to an individual.

 

Another way of explaining:

You're hitting two issues here, 1: The federal governments data mining and 2: The way companies hand data the auto collect by you visiting their site.

 

In the former case, you are protect by law and have nothing to worry about unless you do something stupid and in the later case companies need your business so they don't want to piss you off thus anything they sell is anonymous and most of it is just data the use to make advertising target you.

 

What the NSA did was legal because they had warrants, and only targeted suspects (not to defend the NSA).

 

All in all you're exaggerating the issue, most likely because you don't fully understand what's going on, you'll need to trust me, unless you do something illegal or extremely stupid that'll get on a watch list, you'll be fine.

 

 

EDIT:

 

To point out the obvious: All countries do at least some internal spying, but more importantly the people they are spying on ARE NOT INNOCENT.

 

I'm not so sure Google (or Facebook) don't sell data that isn't linked to individuals, if they didn't their data would be next to worthless. They sell the data so that individuals (YOU and me and others) can be targeted with advertisements and other nice stuff.

 

This is why I highly detest a company such as Google, and make no mistake, they are a datamining and advertising company that's how the make money.

 

Data mining by governments should also stop. Surely it would be illegal in most countries to pro-activily tap into Phone calls, yet data mining isn't a problem. Data mining should only be possible with a warrant, yet the warrant is only needed for the data to be admissable in court, the data mining practice can commence without a warrant.

 

If the postal companies in the world would open mail everyone would scream bloody murder, yet massive data mining is ok ? Doesn't make sense.

 

We have this

 

 

What I said is that, would you like Rich People using cashing cards as a black market?

 

 

 

How could they use cash cards as a black market?

 

A Cash card generators? or a automated FREE cash card to buy without paying REAL $$$$

 

 

The only way they could make a generator would be if you bought the cards in a real shop, as it stands, it's like an in app purchase on an iPhone. A generator wouldn't work.

[SNIT01]

Y

 

 

How can Rockstar Cloud servers improve? Modding is only safe in single-player right?

That's a difficult question and I'm not sure this is the forum to be answering it in.

 

Modding is safe in SP and certain small mods are safe in SP.

 

 

 

I'm not so sure Google (or Facebook) don't sell data that isn't linked to individuals, if they didn't their data would be next to worthless. They sell the data so that individuals (YOU and me and others) can be targeted with advertisements and other nice stuff.

 

This is why I highly detest a company such as Google, and make no mistake, they are a datamining and advertising company that's how the make money.

 

Data mining by governments should also stop. Surely it would be illegal in most countries to pro-activily tap into Phone calls, yet data mining isn't a problem. Data mining should only be possible with a warrant, yet the warrant is only needed for the data to be admissable in court, the data mining practice can commence without a warrant.

 

If the postal companies in the world would open mail everyone would scream bloody murder, yet massive data mining is ok ? Doesn't make sense.

The data is tied to an individual but no names are attached, just numbers, most of the advertising targeting data comes from 'cookies'. By no means do I believe that what they do is entire on the up and up, however I do have an understanding of why they do it and to be completely honest I don't car if the govt mines my data with out a warrant because even on the off chance the find something, they cant do anything with the evidence (Not that I have or will do anything illegal) as they cant use it in court, granted there are some loop holes and some pretty dodgy business going on currently, however (as stated before) so long as you keep your nose clean and be a law abiding person the intel agencies don't give a f*ck about you.

 

Mail companys do exactly what intel agencies do the take your mail (data) the process it (usually automatically) if an alert pops up (usually keywords), they race off and get a warrant and once a warrant is granted (if one is granted) they open the package and examine it. Although with mail there are cases with mean they don't need a warrant, for example if illegal explosives, firearms etc are discovered. It should be noted the ISP and telecoms collect this data anyway for record keeping.

[s-paco]

Good, i don't want people using mods in Online. I will only use mods for singleplayer as well, if that means i can't play online for the time being. Than so be it.

[sjaak327]

 

 

 

Wall of text

I fully understand the dta collection, hell I'm a software engineering student at university, we're taught how to do it. What I'm saying is that they cant really do anything with the data they collect with out doing something illegal or in the case of governments collecting data, they cant doing anything without a warrant. It's in a companies best interest not to f*ck over their customers, this is why google and facebook only sell the information WITHOUT NAMES ATTACHED. The info they sell cant be traced back to an individual.

 

Another way of explaining:

You're hitting two issues here, 1: The federal governments data mining and 2: The way companies hand data the auto collect by you visiting their site.

 

In the former case, you are protect by law and have nothing to worry about unless you do something stupid and in the later case companies need your business so they don't want to piss you off thus anything they sell is anonymous and most of it is just data the use to make advertising target you.

 

What the NSA did was legal because they had warrants, and only targeted suspects (not to defend the NSA).

 

All in all you're exaggerating the issue, most likely because you don't fully understand what's going on, you'll need to trust me, unless you do something illegal or extremely stupid that'll get on a watch list, you'll be fine.

 

 

EDIT:

 

To point out the obvious: All countries do at least some internal spying, but more importantly the people they are spying on ARE NOT INNOCENT.

 

I'm not so sure Google (or Facebook) don't sell data that isn't linked to individuals, if they didn't their data would be next to worthless. They sell the data so that individuals (YOU and me and others) can be targeted with advertisements and other nice stuff.

 

This is why I highly detest a company such as Google, and make no mistake, they are a datamining and advertising company that's how the make money.

 

Data mining by governments should also stop. Surely it would be illegal in most countries to pro-activily tap into Phone calls, yet data mining isn't a problem. Data mining should only be possible with a warrant, yet the warrant is only needed for the data to be admissable in court, the data mining practice can commence without a warrant.

 

If the postal companies in the world would open mail everyone would scream bloody murder, yet massive data mining is ok ? Doesn't make sense.

 

Well that's an omnipresent risk with every channel of communication you use. There's no point in making a fuss over it. All you have to do is watch what you say and type when using these services and you'll be fine. Like I said earlier, you're the only one to blame for whatever information is exploited via these channels because you made the conscious decision to post it in the first place.

 

Nope, I can send you something via postal services, seal it and the risk of someone opening it is next to zero.

 

There is no technical or logical reason why say email communication should be any different. yet it is, and it is about time something is done about it. No government agency should have the right to read content of such communication without a warrant.

 

All of a sudden, just because it is "digital" people are prepared to give up their privacy. I still can't understand why.

[Vixremento]

Okay so let's say I play a modded version of GTA V on a modded server (well LAN would be awesome but I suspect GTA IV might be the last to ever include it)...so what?

 

For me GTA Online should be about having fun, causing havoc and you know - living it large the way you want to in an online open environment. Who cares what level I am, how much cash I have and how many apartments I own? For me personally I'll play an MMORPG for that and sadly I just have no time for that these days...so let me get in, let me blow stuff up and let me have fun!

[Lemans]

Okay so let's say I play a modded version of GTA V on a modded server (well LAN would be awesome but I suspect GTA IV might be the last to ever include it)...so what?

 

For me GTA Online should be about having fun, causing havoc and you know - living it large the way you want to in an online open environment. Who cares what level I am, how much cash I have and how many apartments I own? For me personally I'll play an MMORPG for that and sadly I just have no time for that these days...so let me get in, let me blow stuff up and let me have fun!

Well, I don't see it that way. For me, the concept of GTA Online can be taken much further if it does not stays as a simple DM/TDM game where the only purpose is f*cking your enemy. Crews give you the chance to gather and play a role, try to do things "seriously" and have lots of fun at the same time. In the future, I also hope they implement a game mode where you can play as a cop, and chase, kill or arrest those who choose to live as criminals.

 

For me, playing and doing things with a reason and not only for the sake of killing, is what makes a game fun.

Edited June 12, 2014 by Lemans

[..GhosT]

There will be a workaround anyway.

You used to get banned for modding IV in MP, too.

[RyanBurnsRed]

Hopefully GTA Online doesn't use VAC.

[Vixremento]

 

Okay so let's say I play a modded version of GTA V on a modded server (well LAN would be awesome but I suspect GTA IV might be the last to ever include it)...so what?

 

For me GTA Online should be about having fun, causing havoc and you know - living it large the way you want to in an online open environment. Who cares what level I am, how much cash I have and how many apartments I own? For me personally I'll play an MMORPG for that and sadly I just have no time for that these days...so let me get in, let me blow stuff up and let me have fun!

Well, I don't see it that way. For me, the concept of GTA Online can be taken much further if it does not stays as a simple DM/TDM game where the only purpose is f*cking your enemy. Crews give you the chance to gather and play a role, try to do things "seriously" and have lots of fun at the same time. In the future, I also hope they implement a game mode where you can play as a cop, and chase, kill or arrest those who choose to live as criminals.

 

For me, playing and doing things with a reason and not only for the sake of killing, is what makes a game fun.

 

True...in that respect then by all means - have a game without mods (i.e. play a standard GTA: Online session) in certain cases however imagine playing a modded version (perhaps if the server pushes down the rules/mods) where we could go up against other crews but while not having to grind our way to be the best or to have the best - everyone should play on the same level played field and you shouldn't have to worry if you're driving additional cars added or using new weapons not available in the official mode (unless you care about that sort of thing in which case you can fall back on the official servers).

 

I feel it should be all about "he who aims better and pulls the trigger faster" first type of approach as opposed to "I've played for 2500 hours and I own 15 properties..." kinda thing (because I don't care what level others are and how much wealth they've accrued) - for me that's what SP does and I don't really care who knows about it.

 

At the same time though I do agree that you might want to do things by the book, be in more of a role-playing scenario where you don't have things being screwed up because of hacks and so controlling the servers is probably the better way to do things...at least at first

[Xerukal]

Hopefully GTA Online doesn't use VAC.

Hell no. Rockstar ain't letting that thing run around on their servers.

 

It's the stuff of nightmares for modders (Dark Souls II situation).

[ninjaontour]

Everyone who's modded previous GTAs to any degree should know that you have a folder where it's modded, and a separate folder where it's not. All you do is use the .exe you require, and you can use online features without worrying.

 

OP is a scaremonger.

[Ubermacht]

I assume that SP will somehow be kept separate from MP, the game will probably run a file check upon booting up online and place you in cheater servers if you have modded files.

 

If you swap a few cars or use SNT in SP, you'll be fine. If you try to money hack online, then R* may (I say may because they've been so sh*t with the cheaters on consoles) take action.