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Bonaldo

AMD or Nvidia for graphics? Intel or AMD for processor?

What graphics card and processor?  

196 members have voted

  1. 1. What graphics card?

    • NVidia
      141
    • AMD
      55
  2. 2. What processor?

    • Intel
      158
    • AMD
      25


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Bonaldo

 

 

 

I was thinking about buying a mobo with Z87 chipset

Like ASRock Z87 Extreme4 as it is has very good price/performance ratio

 

What performance? A motherboard doesn't have performance. The benefits of high-end chipsets and motherboards are more sata, usb and other ports, some exclusive features, overclocking and stuff like that. But on the Haswell plaform even a cheap Z87 has the same overclocking potential as a high end one. This is just how Haswell is designed. These are not the Core 2 days when a Rampage board gives you better oveclocking than a more regular UD3. Although a high end board with better capacitors, mosfets and more phases will deliver cleaner power.

 

But personally if I had to buy a board for overclocking on a budget I would chose a high-quality brand like Gigabyte.

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4958#ov

 

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4955#ov

 

 

I meant price/features

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thestig93

I meant price/features

Alright then. :) What GPU are you planning to buy?

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Bonaldo

 

I meant price/features

Alright then. :) What GPU are you planning to buy?

 

 

I was thinking about GTX 760, like Gigabyte GTX 760 Windforce - it is a very cool and silent card, in fact it is one of the fastest, quietest and coolest cards in 760 family

 

I don't plan buying a graphics card for more than $300

 

All I care about is to run GTA V maxed out in stable 30fps, so I hope this card will be enough for that.

 

Minimal framerate in maxed out full HD DX11 Max Payne 3 on that card was 40fps (average fps was more than 70), so even giving the much bigger and more detailed world of GTA V, I think it should be totally possible to play GTA V maxed out in Full HD in stable 30fps. That's if the game will be properly optimized and not a sh*tty port like IV.

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It looks unbalanced not because it has a non k cpu. It looks unbalanced because if one was to build a gaming pc with a i5 or i7, with a GTX 780, what are the chances they will be going with a cheap motherboard the H81 chipset. If it was for office or just basic home use then H81 is fine along with a Pentium Dual Core or Celeron. But with a build that starts with a i5 and has a GTX 780, I would expect it to have a better board. Not only will I have this idea, others may have it as well.

I just pick that for its matching color scheme. Cheapset 2133 is $71.

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DaRkL3AD3R

Dat poll results.

 

I'm proud of you guys, GTAForums.

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I was thinking about GTX 760, like Gigabyte GTX 760 Windforce - it is a very cool and silent card, in fact it is one of the fastest, quietest and coolest cards in 760 family

 

I don't plan buying a graphics card for more than $300

 

All I care about is to run GTA V maxed out in stable 30fps, so I hope this card will be enough for that.

 

Minimal framerate in maxed out full HD DX11 Max Payne 3 on that card was 40fps (average fps was more than 70), so even giving the much bigger and more detailed world of GTA V, I think it should be totally possible to play GTA V maxed out in Full HD in stable 30fps. That's if the game will be properly optimized and not a sh*tty port like IV.

 

I prefer higher framerates. Let's hope my 6870 is able to play the game at medium settings until I upgrade to something more beefier.

 

@thestig93

It looks unbalanced not because it has a non k cpu. It looks unbalanced because if one was to build a gaming pc with a i5 or i7, with a GTX 780, what are the chances they will be going with a cheap motherboard the H81 chipset. If it was for office or just basic home use then H81 is fine along with a Pentium Dual Core or Celeron. But with a build that starts with a i5 and has a GTX 780, I would expect it to have a better board. Not only will I have this idea, others may have it as well.

I just pick that for its matching color scheme. Cheapset 2133 is $71.

You would expect a gaming PC to have a better mobo, but what's the point? How does a better mobo translate into more fps in games? It doesn't. Therefore when you're on a tight budget you should cut corners everywhere you can in order to achieve high price/performance. Some people might need more sata ports or other features. I know I wont. And I know what's gonna be my next upgrade. A 4790 non k with an H81, because I'm on a really tight budget.

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Bonaldo

 

I was thinking about GTX 760, like Gigabyte GTX 760 Windforce - it is a very cool and silent card, in fact it is one of the fastest, quietest and coolest cards in 760 family

 

I don't plan buying a graphics card for more than $300

 

All I care about is to run GTA V maxed out in stable 30fps, so I hope this card will be enough for that.

 

Minimal framerate in maxed out full HD DX11 Max Payne 3 on that card was 40fps (average fps was more than 70), so even giving the much bigger and more detailed world of GTA V, I think it should be totally possible to play GTA V maxed out in Full HD in stable 30fps. That's if the game will be properly optimized and not a sh*tty port like IV.

 

I prefer higher framerates. Let's hope my 6870 is able to play the game at medium settings until I upgrade to something more beefier.

 

 

30fps is smooth enough for me :D

 

I prefer to play the game with all eye candy turned on + 30fps than 60fps + lower graphics quality

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DaRkL3AD3R

 

30fps is smooth enough for me :D

 

I prefer to play the game with all eye candy turned on + 30fps than 60fps + lower graphics quality

For GTA games playing sitting back in your seat with a nice DS4 controller. Yeah 30 fps is good enough.

 

The other thing is these games were built for 30 fps. Remember how 3D era games all had frame limiters that capped the fps to 30 or even 25 with SA? And not using it often caused massive game breaking glitches? Yeah unfortunately the ports weren't meant to run higher than 30. This is evident in plenty of other titles like Skyrim where if you uncap the frame rate and let it skyrocket to 100 or higher, the physics bug out.

 

Another example is GTA IV. Ever have the camera zoom in way too much during cut scenes? Your fps is too high. I believe the camera zoom animation is tied to the frame rate and increasing it above the 30 it expects from the original console production causes it to zoom too far too fast making the entire cut scene ruined.

 

 

So yeah unless this game is REALLY well optimized and ported, to the point I can get minimum 60 fps with the best settings all the time, then it's likely 30 fps cap for me as well. I'll take a rock solid 30 over a roller coaster ride at 60. And looking at my sig it should be obvious what type of gamer I am so that's saying something.

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When picking your graphics card, it doesn't matter if you choose Nvidia or AMD, they really aren't better than each other... just get what ever suits you best in your price range.
Although in the processor department, do not get AMD, they haven't released a single new enthusiast product since 2012 while Intel is continuing to roll out newer and better CPUs each year... and AMD is just simply inferior in the processor department.

 

Also, someone said never get a Intel+AMD combo? That's absurd, an AMD GPU will work just as fine as an Nvidia GPU working with an Intel processor. And an Nvidia GPU working with an AMD CPU will work just as fine as an AMD GPU working with an AMD CPU.

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Currently I have an Intel processor and an AMD GPU. I really, really hope they optimize the game for AMD cards or I might just have to buy something from the re-branded Kepler series. Maxwell can't come soon enough!

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I was thinking about GTX 760, like Gigabyte GTX 760 Windforce - it is a very cool and silent card, in fact it is one of the fastest, quietest and coolest cards in 760 family

 

I don't plan buying a graphics card for more than $300

 

All I care about is to run GTA V maxed out in stable 30fps, so I hope this card will be enough for that.

 

Minimal framerate in maxed out full HD DX11 Max Payne 3 on that card was 40fps (average fps was more than 70), so even giving the much bigger and more detailed world of GTA V, I think it should be totally possible to play GTA V maxed out in Full HD in stable 30fps. That's if the game will be properly optimized and not a sh*tty port like IV.

 

I prefer higher framerates. Let's hope my 6870 is able to play the game at medium settings until I upgrade to something more beefier.

 

@thestig93

It looks unbalanced not because it has a non k cpu. It looks unbalanced because if one was to build a gaming pc with a i5 or i7, with a GTX 780, what are the chances they will be going with a cheap motherboard the H81 chipset. If it was for office or just basic home use then H81 is fine along with a Pentium Dual Core or Celeron. But with a build that starts with a i5 and has a GTX 780, I would expect it to have a better board. Not only will I have this idea, others may have it as well.

I just pick that for its matching color scheme. Cheapset 2133 is $71.

You would expect a gaming PC to have a better mobo, but what's the point? How does a better mobo translate into more fps in games? It doesn't. Therefore when you're on a tight budget you should cut corners everywhere you can in order to achieve high price/performance. Some people might need more sata ports or other features. I know I wont. And I know what's gonna be my next upgrade. A 4790 non k with an H81, because I'm on a really tight budget.

 

How much is your budget?

Here is a buiild for $1,000. It's got a Devil's Canyon CPU, R9-290 GPU, Motherboard supports SATA Express and M.2

GTX 780Ti is way overpriced, on a tight budget, get a cheaper video card.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($123.99 @ Amazon)

Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)

Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 290 4GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($359.99 @ NCIX US)

Case: Rosewill Line Glow ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: Corsair CX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $986.83

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-11 11:52 EDT-0400)

System builds below, do not have SATA Express and M.2

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Haswell refresh Core i5, H97, R9-290

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($85.66 @ Newegg)

Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)

Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 290 4GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($359.99 @ NCIX US)

Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($36.99 @ Amazon)

Power Supply: Corsair CX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $860.52

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-11 12:07 EDT-0400)

 

with GTX 780

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($85.66 @ Newegg)

Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($469.99 @ Micro Center)

Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($36.99 @ Amazon)

Power Supply: Corsair CX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $970.52

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-11 12:09 EDT-0400)

 

Changes in some parts, added a R9-290x

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($85.66 @ Newegg)

Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.00 @ Amazon)

Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 290X 4GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($494.99 @ NCIX US)

Case: NZXT H230 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: Corsair CX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $989.60

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-11 12:40 EDT-0400)

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thestig93

How much is your budget?

Were you asking me? Because I'm the one giving help here. I was replying to a guy a couple of pages back. I guess we all were. The 290 is also a great choice though, + it has higher amount of vram, newer games are gonna need that.

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Coolstream

I've got an 7970 currently, but I have plans for upgrading to something "slightly" more powerful.

 

First of all is a new motherboard, CPU, 1TB/500GB SSD and some more HDD's.

Edit: And PSU, that thing is pushing 5 years now

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thestig93

I've got an 7970 currently, but I have plans for upgrading to something "slightly" more powerful.

 

First of all is a new motherboard, CPU, 1TB/500GB SSD and some more HDD's.

Edit: And PSU, that thing is pushing 5 years now

Broadwell is coming in Q1 2015. That's gonna be 14nm. http://wccftech.com/intel-desktop-cpu-roadmap-confirms-broadwelle-q3-2015-broadwell-kseries-q1-2015-skylake-mid2015/

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Stinky12

 

How much is your budget?

Were you asking me? Because I'm the one giving help here. I was replying to a guy a couple of pages back. I guess we all were. The 290 is also a great choice though, + it has higher amount of vram, newer games are gonna need that.

 

You mentioned your on a tight budget, so I thought you needed some help on a build. if not, then anyone can take a look at those build to get a idea of what you can get for less than $1,000

Note that those builds do not have a OS. For OS add around $100

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You mentioned your on a tight budget, so I thought you needed some help on a build. if not, then anyone can take a look at those build to get a idea of what you can get for less than $1,000

 

Note that those builds do not have a OS. For OS add around $100

No, I'm not building a new PC. I'm doing a platform upgrade (cpu+mobo+ram). That's why I mentioned the tight budget. But that was said just by the way, it has nothing to do with the topic. All that "pc build" talk was in response to Bonaldo's post on the first page. The builds you gave were great, but a 4460 coupled with a 780 Ti would still give the best price/performance ratio for people who wanna build a 1000$ PC.

 

btw here's a little bit cheaper haswell refresh/ 290 build that still has a good H97 mobo and a good PSU. I really like that case though, The total is 842$. Keep in mind that this config has no optical drive. Nobody uses them anymore so there's no point in having one. Windows can be installed trough a flash drive.

 

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Coolstream

 

I've got an 7970 currently, but I have plans for upgrading to something "slightly" more powerful.

 

First of all is a new motherboard, CPU, 1TB/500GB SSD and some more HDD's.

Edit: And PSU, that thing is pushing 5 years now

Broadwell is coming in Q1 2015. That's gonna be 14nm. http://wccftech.com/intel-desktop-cpu-roadmap-confirms-broadwelle-q3-2015-broadwell-kseries-q1-2015-skylake-mid2015/

 

 

Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. 10 Core Broadwell-E CPU wouldn't hurt

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Mista J

@Thestig

Or he could get a regular 780 or a 770 and put the extra money towards a better processor.

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Andreas

I have no idea why anyone would buy an AMD CPU for a gaming PC.

Intel processors are better overall and run circles around AMD CPUs, but keep in mind that the PS4 and Xbone use hardware from AMD. There are two possibilities in my view: AMD processors will continue to be behind their Intel counterparts since Intel CPUs have a far better IPC, or future games will be better optimized for multi-threading, which makes the performance differences almost negligible. Who knows though, maybe it will be possible to properly utilize both, the single-thread and multi-thread power. I can imagine that this is a difficult task, so not sure how realistic that scenario is.

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Even though I love NVIDIA because of Shadowplay and other such goodies. I do not like their Gameworks bollocks which basically sabotages AMD GPU functionality in certain games.

 

Thankfully, we all know that Rockstar is smart enough not to fall for this sh*t. They'll optimize for both equally. I've accepted the fact that Rockstar consists of wizards and magicians, performing all kinds of dark arts on hardware to just make it work. Noone knows how. Noone cares. It just f*cking happens.

Gameworks.... Who the f*ck in their butt f*cked mind got this idea?????????????

That moron must die and get his dick chopped off. UberSh*t is stupid to fall fo rthis sh*t and now they've got a very sh*tty unoptimized sh*t Watch Dogs.

That deserves them right.

 

R* is the smart one so they definitely won't use that Gamesh*tWorks. And R* wants everyone to enjoy the best experience.

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Gameworks.... Who the f*ck in their butt f*cked mind got this idea?????????????

That moron must die and get his dick chopped off. UberSh*t is stupid to fall fo rthis sh*t and now they've got a very sh*tty unoptimized sh*t Watch Dogs.

That deserves them right.

 

R* is the smart one so they definitely won't use that Gamesh*tWorks. And R* wants everyone to enjoy the best experience.

 

Nvidia replied to AMD saying that they're gull of sh*t. Although I do believe GameWorks is kinda of a dirty weapong against AMD. And btw I'm not that sure about GTA V. http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/visually-enhanced-grand-auto-v-launching-on-pc-this-fall

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Bonaldo

What PSU would you recommend?

 

I'm a silence maniac so the PSU definitely CAN'T be too noisy and it can't be squeaking

 

Also it needs to have at least 600W

 

So what PSU would you recommend for let's say $100 max?

 

I'm interested in best silence/performance/durability ratio

 

In my current computer I have 450W Chieftec gps-450aa-101a bought in 2006, and it's still working like gold after all these years, despite computer being on for like 12 hours every day :D

 

I'm not sure if anyone makes such durable PSUs nowadays

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Twilight Sky

 

I'm not sure if anyone makes such durable PSUs nowadays

Seasonic brands seem to last a long time and are good quality. Mine is about 4 years old.

 

Also, you wanna make sure that it was actually manufactured by a brand that is well known to make good PSUs. Just because the box says "seasonic" or "consair" doesn't mean it was manufactured by them.

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Gameworks.... Who the f*ck in their butt f*cked mind got this idea?????????????

That moron must die and get his dick chopped off. UberSh*t is stupid to fall fo rthis sh*t and now they've got a very sh*tty unoptimized sh*t Watch Dogs.

That deserves them right.

 

R* is the smart one so they definitely won't use that Gamesh*tWorks. And R* wants everyone to enjoy the best experience.

 

Nvidia replied to AMD saying that they're gull of sh*t. Although I do believe GameWorks is kinda of a dirty weapong against AMD. And btw I'm not that sure about GTA V. http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/visually-enhanced-grand-auto-v-launching-on-pc-this-fall

 

Well, nVidia is not this bad but they're too arrogant, especially if there are too much stories with failing AMD cards. I can not tell anything about because I don't own an AMD hardware.

The most buttf*cked morons who use GameWorks is the developers themself. Just like that horrible Ubisoft. Ubisoft is just as bad as EA, they both are lying pussyheads.

 

Hating GameWorks/Ubisoft aside, Intel is great for gaming and lots of stuff, so I've got an i7-4770. nVidia provides better drivers and software, and hardware. I've got the Asus GTX780.

The GTX780 runs so much cool and I really need it because spring/summers can get very f*cking hot here.

 

There are other really good PSU,s like said early, Seasonic. I've got a Cooler Master VS650.

The entire system is very quiet. The only hardware that makes noise are the hard drives. 2x each 1TB and standard Fractal R4 casefans.

I kinda like the]ese noise :p

No SSD, loading means nothing to me. Windows7 starts damn fast, i hardly can bring something to drink.

Overall, it is a really good and balanced system.

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What PSU would you recommend?

 

I'm a silence maniac so the PSU definitely CAN'T be too noisy and it can't be squeaking

 

Also it needs to have at least 600W

 

So what PSU would you recommend for let's say $100 max?

 

I'm interested in best silence/performance/durability ratio

 

In my current computer I have 450W Chieftec gps-450aa-101a bought in 2006, and it's still working like gold after all these years, despite computer being on for like 12 hours every day :D

 

I'm not sure if anyone makes such durable PSUs nowadays

This one. http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-V650-Modular-Haswell/dp/B00I9NZ2QM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1402509817&sr=8-3&keywords=coolermaster+v700 Semi modular. Gold rated.

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Loves GTA

Intel and NVIDIA for me. Always go with Intel on CPU. GPU probably doesn't matter as much but I prefer NVIDIA.

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http://wccftech.com/battlefield-hardline-dragon-age-inquisition-mantle-api/ EA are pushing hard for Mantle. You can expect every new game on the Frostbite engine to support it. That pretty much 90% of EA. Mass Effect, Battlefront, Mirror's Edge, NFS + many more. And people say AMD has no game support. :D That's laughable.

Mantle will give a good battle against DX12.

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embroid

Intel - Nvidia

 

or

 

Intel - AMD

 

;)

 

(Processor - GC)

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