Future map additions

[STARLORD-1480]

So! Last gen or this - I'd love to see North Yankton and spend some proper time there but I dont think we'll see it unless it's a plane journey/cut scene type deal

[ivarblaauw]

So! Last gen or this - I'd love to see North Yankton and spend some proper time there but I dont think we'll see it unless it's a plane journey/cut scene type deal

Yes same.

Islands within the same state will be accesible with bridges. Otherwise you will probably have to use a commercial airplane to get there.

[STARLORD-1480]

Just Yankton in general would be excellent. All of it. Not just North.

[ivarblaauw]

Just Yankton in general would be excellent. All of it. Not just North.

Let me clear something up:

North Yankton is a state, there is also a South Yankton, but that is another state, based on South Dakota.

 

Ot:

I first hoped, before launch, that we would see a big island like Just Cause 2.

 

With snow regions to ski etc. Sadly this isn't the case.

 

I know that a dream of Rockstar is to create a big living world (not the entire world, just as a saying), where everything is accesible by car, plane or boat.

 

So maybe, a real big maybe, we will once see a giant map.

But loose states connected by airplanes is more likely.

Edited June 14, 2014 by ivarblaauw

[southernsontn]

I have no doubt that we will see new maps added to the game at some point. As I stated in another thread, R* stated that they wanted GTA V on the 360/PS3 generation consoles in order to reach the largest possible audience. They also stated that they wanted GTA:O to become a separate entity from GTA V, and that they planned on it being around for years. Their exact phrase was that they wanted to expand GTA:O until it was basically the entire world.

 

What I believe we will see is with the next gen release is the addition of San Fierro, but It won't be nearly the size of LS.They may release the map to current gen, but I suspect that they will state that they can't due to "hardware limitations" in order to get people to migrate to the next gen version. That will not only generate more revenue, but it will get people playing again, all for minimum effort.

 

I believe that once they establish the next gen version of GTA:O and get everything the way they want it, they will begin releasing maps about once a year or so, to keep people actively playing the game until the release of GTA 6. I believe that the next map to be added (after SF) will be Liberty City, which is already rendered in HD, and could be updated with a minimum effort, bringing more revenue to R* (It will probably be released as paid DLC). The next area would probably be LV, but again a scaled down rendition similar to the way I believe they will likely do for SF That would take us three years from the initial release of the game, and likely they would only need to add a couple of additional cities until GTA 6 arrives. North Yankton is a definite possibility, and there are several locations throughout the GTA franchise that have been referred to without being seen in the franchise, such as Carcer city (from Manhunt, but it is a city in GTA canon as well) and Capitol City. There were also other areas supposedly cut from the final GTA 3 and GTA 4 maps (their names escape me at the moment) that we could see. I believe with GTA 6 we will once again visit Vice City, and that will be the next large scale map. From that point on is anyone's guess.

 

There is also the fact that the Red Dead franchise is part of the GTA universe, so modern day versions of Red Dead Redemption cities could be added at some additional point as well...

[RichyBeats]

I find similarities with midnight club and gta maps all the time and it wouldn't surprise me if there was some foundations from previous game series.

[ivarblaauw]

 

 

Yes yes and yes. First of all thanks for the wonderful read. You can write quite well, so reading your post was very nice.

 

That said: Red dead redemption is in our universe, not gta. However; we can never know for sure, because california is mentioned in Gta V... so yeah. The gta universe is weird.

 

Maps could be released every year, but I doubt that. I guess each 2 years is more likely with some single player dlc.

 

Also, gta V was so long in production, was because the RAGE engine had to be made for new generation. Now they have done this it is way easier to make and implement stuff.

 

The RAGE engine is now finished for new generation. So expect a lot. Because now Rockstar can make maps better and quicker.

 

I find similarities with midnight club and gta maps all the time and it wouldn't surprise me if there was some foundations from previous game series.

Can you tell me more about this? I have never played MC LA and it seems that the map is quite similar?

[Ezza.]

Their exact phrase was that they wanted to expand GTA:O until it was basically the entire world.

I agree with everything you said except this point.

 

Imran Sarwar, the head of development said that "We currently have a few things that we're toying with, and it doesn't take a genius to figure out what that is. We're only limited by the amount of disk space we have, if we wanted to, we could simulate the entire world"

 

So it's possible, but that's not what they said.

Although I do agree that they will more than likely add in San Fierro, then a completely separate map for Liberty and Vice city

[Maxxeine]

With people saying that last gen can't handle a map expansion, may I reiterate a point brought up a little earlier that seems to have been glossed over: It's entirely possible that the map expansions are already there and we just can't see it/get to it. Therefore the game is already running with these new areas in place, so it wouldn't take anything extra to give them to us. Just a simple unlock on R*'s part. Rendering the hardware limitations moot.

If that's the case, what about the people who dig through the game files looking for that jetpack? Why haven't they found anything related to North SA?

[Flash525]

I'm not sure about Vice and Liberty City, though I wouldn't mind a couple of small islands scattered around the Los Santos continent.

[Maxxeine]

*Post deleted.

Edited August 25, 2018 by The7thOne

[RichyBeats]

Well apart from the fact that they both represent a lifelike LA you will notice that some roads and scenery are very similar, that isn't to say rockstar cheated because they are basically borrowing layouts etc from other games within, so it wouldn't surprise me if they brought out upgraded versions of sf. Having said that they would have a lot of work to do as it is very basic modelling from the ps2 era.

[southernsontn]

 

 

 

Yes yes and yes. First of all thanks for the wonderful read. You can write quite well, so reading your post was very nice.

 

 

Thank you. It was late, I was tired, and I was a little worried that my post had lost coherence somewhere in all the rambling. It was actually you and I who held quite the lengthy discussion about this topic in the previous thread. As for Red Dead not being in a shared universe as GTA, although it's never been explicitly stated, there are a few hints. I also think that when the next Red Dead is released, they will probably tie them together a little more.

 

 

 

 

Their exact phrase was that they wanted to expand GTA:O until it was basically the entire world.

I agree with everything you said except this point.

 

Imran Sarwar, the head of development said that "We currently have a few things that we're toying with, and it doesn't take a genius to figure out what that is. We're only limited by the amount of disk space we have, if we wanted to, we could simulate the entire world"

 

So it's possible, but that's not what they said.

Although I do agree that they will more than likely add in San Fierro, then a completely separate map for Liberty and Vice city

 

 

I went back and looked at the original quote I was referencing, and I wasn't quite right. They actually said that they wanted to create a GTA online world that included " everything they've ever done, and everything they are ever going to do", and that they had the ambition to grow the GTA world until it was "the world". I apologize for the mix up.

 

The First quote here just references "Rockstar North" as the source for the quote:

 

 

 

Every part of Grand Theft Auto Online has been designed with expansion in mind. A dream of ours is to create an entire Grand Theft Auto world that consists of everything we've done or are going to do then let the player freely move between them. The launch of Grand Theft Auto Online is a beginning for us; it gets us a little closer to being able to make that happen. source

 

And the second quote is from The Benz:

 

 

 

What scope have you got for expanding beyond the locations we're seeing already?

 

Well, one thing we've toyed with - and we've talked about this before, so it isn't a spoiler - is (the ambition) to grow this world until it's the world. We're just going to add on new things to it, new places all the time. We've set this up so there are no limitations. The only limitation is the size of the disc and how much memory we've got. We could, if we wanted, simulate the entire world, different countries, whatever. Whether we do that or not... But we've got a bunch of old stuff that we're toying with using.

source

 

 

Either way, the fact is that R* have said that this has been their goal ever since GTA 3. From a business standpoint, it makes sense to continue to monetize the franchise as much as possible.

 

The HD Universe on current gen technology has always been a matter of compromise. GTA IV was originally supposed to include an additional island called the Carraways (the GTA equivalent to the Hamptons), as well as "the rest of liberty State", whatever that entails..

 

The Carraways are also referenced several times in GTA IV and V. Carcer City is also referenced in the HD universe, seeing as how Micheals first score was on the outskirts of Carcer City. Bullworth is also referenced as being a location in the GTA universe.

 

I believe that these cities could be integrated into GTA:O during the interim between GTA V and VI, with GTA VI most likely re-introducing Vice City, or possibly Las Venturas...

[ivarblaauw]

^dude shut the f*ck up! Seriously! @GroveVendetta

 

I am on a mobile device right now, so @southernsontn, I will answer on a later time.

Edited June 15, 2014 by ivarblaauw

[Aljohnk]

I could see this happening on next-gen since the last gen will probably explode in front of you.

 

If you go to Vice City, you have to go airport then you will be transported to Vice City with your stats. It goes same to other cities too.

[southernsontn]

I could see this happening on next-gen since the last gen will probably explode in front of you.

 

If you go to Vice City, you have to go airport then you will be transported to Vice City with your stats. It goes same to other cities too.

 

well, actually last gen could definitely handle it. If done as separate lobbies, which I believe is the way that they will handle it, it would be no different than switching between current lobbies, with the exception that a new map would load instead of the current map reloading. This would be the most efficient way to handle it, since 16 players spread out over such a large area would likely feel deserted (a common complaint even with the current map). Even if they did decide to put both maps on the same lobby, the cell loading system that R* uses is fairly efficient at handling large areas.

 

Yes, VC, LC, and maybe LV would most likely require going to the airport. If done correctly, SF and LV could be done using bridges, possibly using a "driving across the bridge cinematic" loading screen... It would be interesting if they did that to see how it would handle two people in the same lobby driving across the bridge together (chases or cross country motorcycle riding, etc). I could also see them handling city lobby transitions in the same way, using a similar loading screen to what we saw in the GTA:O intro, where you see your character in the plane just before touchdown.

 

I have wondered from time to time if that is why we have the empty character select screens, possibly for creating characters "native" to various cities.

[NdogO3O]

I just want to applaud of how in depth the thread is. *Slow Claps while a tear go downs the right eye*

[Raza2000]

I they should add at least another city or two. Maybe where you can fly from Los Santos to Las Venturas which will take about 10/15 minutes. It would be great if in GTA 6 you could fly from one city to another and it would take a long time.

[gravik]

If they add another city, they better increase the server size.

[STARLORD-1480]

I just want to applaud of how in depth the thread is. *Slow Claps while a tear go downs the right eye*

Apart from one or two utter bastards it's really quite lovely

[ivarblaauw]

Either way, the fact is that R* have said that this has been their goal ever since GTA 3. From a business standpoint, it makes sense to continue to monetize the franchise as much as possible.

The HD Universe on current gen technology has always been a matter of compromise. GTA IV was originally supposed to include an additional island called the Carraways (the GTA equivalent to the Hamptons), as well as "the rest of liberty State", whatever that entails..

The Carraways are also referenced several times in GTA IV and V. Carcer City is also referenced in the HD universe, seeing as how Micheals first score was on the outskirts of Carcer City. Bullworth is also referenced as being a location in the GTA universe.

I believe that these cities could be integrated into GTA:O during the interim between GTA V and VI, with GTA VI most likely re-introducing Vice City, or possibly Las Venturas...

Yes, I remember that we had a, positive, discussion about this topic about two/three months ago.

I guess you are right about red dead, with the next installment we will probably see the universes be more combined. Also remember that within the GTA Universe, California and all other states of the USA still exists. I don't know how, but they do.

 

With the quote:

Every part of Grand Theft Auto Online has been designed with expansion in mind. A dream of ours is to create an entire Grand Theft Auto world that consists of everything we've done or are going to do then let the player freely move between them. The launch of Grand Theft Auto Online is a beginning for us; it gets us a little closer to being able to make that happen. source

 

I think that this pretty much sums up what we have been saying. It literally says: EVERYTHING we HAVE DONE or ARE GOING to do. Well that pretty much confirms that we will see all previous cities in GTA Online...

We just have to wait, but MAP DLC is imminent.

 

I have said before that GTA IV first contained a way bigger map + countryside. These were literally cut, you can even see the road signs referring to the Carraways and Liberty State.

The rest of Liberty State is Country side + another city, possibly Carcer city. I guess that if we see Liberty City again, we will see it with Liberty State and possibly Alderney State, because that is a smaller state connected to Liberty State.

 

As for GTA VI, I don't think we will see a numbered GTA in the near future. Numbered titles means a NEW game. This could have issues with music licenses etc. If R* however gives the game a name like this: GTA V: Liberty City Stories, or something similar, this isn't a new game... so licenses stay the same (IF stated in contract, but with the problems of IV, I think R* learned their lesson).

 

I could see this happening on next-gen since the last gen will probably explode in front of you.

 

If you go to Vice City, you have to go airport then you will be transported to Vice City with your stats. It goes same to other cities too.

yes, except for connecting island (Northern San Andreas and Southern San Andreas will be connected, etc.)

 

 

I could see this happening on next-gen since the last gen will probably explode in front of you.

 

If you go to Vice City, you have to go airport then you will be transported to Vice City with your stats. It goes same to other cities too.

 

well, actually last gen could definitely handle it. If done as separate lobbies, which I believe is the way that they will handle it, it would be no different than switching between current lobbies, with the exception that a new map would load instead of the current map reloading. This would be the most efficient way to handle it, since 16 players spread out over such a large area would likely feel deserted (a common complaint even with the current map). Even if they did decide to put both maps on the same lobby, the cell loading system that R* uses is fairly efficient at handling large areas.

 

Yes, VC, LC, and maybe LV would most likely require going to the airport. If done correctly, SF and LV could be done using bridges, possibly using a "driving across the bridge cinematic" loading screen... It would be interesting if they did that to see how it would handle two people in the same lobby driving across the bridge together (chases or cross country motorcycle riding, etc). I could also see them handling city lobby transitions in the same way, using a similar loading screen to what we saw in the GTA:O intro, where you see your character in the plane just before touchdown.

 

I have wondered from time to time if that is why we have the empty character select screens, possibly for creating characters "native" to various cities.

 

yes, the infamous driving across the bridge cinematic loading screen. We have had discussions about that way before... This could be a possibility. But R* have experience with big maps.

They could make multiple maps work on Last Generation in the same server. But at what costs... Even less cars and clutter/utilities.

On New Generation I don't think there is any problem.

 

About the other Characters, I think you will somewhere in the future, make characters and call them as back up or something. This would be an awesome feature

 

I just want to applaud of how in depth the thread is. *Slow Claps while a tear go downs the right eye*

If this is no sarcasm, this is my answer: Yes, thank you sir We try our very best to give so much information as possible to anyone here.

 

I they should add at least another city or two. Maybe where you can fly from Los Santos to Las Venturas which will take about 10/15 minutes. It would be great if in GTA 6 you could fly from one city to another and it would take a long time.

Would be neat. Big distances between cities. Well at least a 10/15 minute drive seems very logical. I think even longer because it already is about 10 minutes driving from South to North in a normal car.

 

 

PS: I still have had NO answer on my Question to Rockstar support about Paleto County. From this point onward I don't think I will ever see an answer.

I guess: No answer means they hold something back.

[STARLORD-1480]

I'd actually enjoy a long drive from one state to another. It'd be quite relaxing as long as you weren't being shot at the whole way!

[ivarblaauw]

I'd actually enjoy a long drive from one state to another. It'd be quite relaxing as long as you weren't being shot at the whole way!

Indeed, would be nice. Its actually on of the features I can't wait for.

Long highways to somewhere. Imagine a highay from Los Santos to San Fierro and back. A drive of about 45 minutes forth and back with supers, and way longer with normal cars and other vehicles

Edited June 16, 2014 by ivarblaauw

[STARLORD-1480]

I'd do it in my topless peyote or Manana

[ivarblaauw]

^hahaha :-) I would use my Tornado or Sabre Turbo

 

Grand Theft Auto V or at least Online will feature Northern San Andreas, that is pretty certain. However, how about Las Venturas?
Rockstar said that they wanted to include everything they HAVE done and WILL do in GTA Online. Does this mean that we will see HD renditions of Las Venturas?

Probably not. I don't mean we won't see Las Venturas, I mean we won't see it as just a HD upgrade of GTA San Andreas. We will probably see it after Northern San Andreas as it's own state OR another island, accessible by bridges from Southern and Northern San Andreas.

Oh, I wish I would know what Rockstar's plans are exactly.

PS: After 5 days still NO answer from Rockstar. Each question I asked was answered within 2 days... weird.

[Raza2000]

Multiple cities within a large area would be great like on SA

[huckmonkey]

It would be cool if you could fly or boat toward a marker at the outside boundaries of the map and have it prompt you "you are about to leave Los Santos and enter (city name). Do you wish to proceed?", and then continue flying or boating into that city after it loads.

[watchclock]

If map additions arrive they will be a few building interiors, and they will possibly be next-gen exclusive.

 

Likely the casino is the only one currently being developed

Edited June 16, 2014 by watchclock

[ivarblaauw]

If map additions arrive they will be a few building interiors, and they will possibly be next-gen exclusive.

 

Likely the casino is the only one currently being developed

don't forget the restaurants... these are probably also finished... Or at least I hope so xD

It would be cool if you could fly or boat toward a marker at the outside boundaries of the map and have it prompt you "you are about to leave Los Santos and enter (city name). Do you wish to proceed?", and then continue flying or boating into that city after it loads.

would be neat feature to go to other states (not cities!)

 

You are about to leave the State of San Andreas and enter the State of ...

[STARLORD-1480]

As much as i'd love to see an up to date Vice City, i think i'd prefer somewhere completely new. Maybe somewhere like Texas, or New Orleans.

 

What might places based on those be called? hmmmm

Edited June 16, 2014 by TEENWULF