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Mr_Leone

is Toni Cipriani a domestic terrorist?

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The Byzantine Empire

Yes he is but the real fact is, all GTA characters are serious criminals.

 

For example CJ is a traitor, militaristic saboteur, anarchist, heavily armed activist, nuclear device smuggler, aviation pirate, farm slaughterer, house breaker, enemy of the national security, arms smuggler, soldier killer, casino robber, bank robber, terrorist, pimp, hooker transporter, countryside bandit and all kind of sh*t you can remember :D

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helpplease

In real life it would be blamed on muslims and no officer would even comprehend it maybe a white guy.

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KnowDude

To me this makes Toni the most immoral protagonist of the GTA franchise, because he blew up a vivid district full with women and children and thus is responsible for the deaths of thousands or maybe even hundreds of thousands of people. And he did all of this for the sake of a broke businessman who did not have a dime to pay him for all of this at the moment and Toni did as he was told without even questioning this whole operation once.

 

I mean Tommy Vercetti bombed a lot of innocent construction workers to death, too, but a whole district is in a class of its own.

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LittleWeasel

Let's check out all of the "terrorism related" protagonist acts in the 3d era (correct me if i'm missin' something):

 

GTA III: Claude blown up the Saint Marks Bistro restaurant with some guys inside.

GTA Vice City: Tommy bombed with a remote control helicopter a construction site with tons of workers and security inside.

GTA San Andreas: Carl breaked it into the Restricted Area and stole a $60.000.000 project, also stole that green slime from the military service.

GTA Liberty City Stories: Toni, blown up the Fort Carson subway, a lot of people was killed, also blown up a Sindacco factory.

GTA Vice City Stories: Vic stole a war chopper from the miilitary serviced he worked in, f*cked up the Mendez building operations and killed Jerry Martinez.

 

You can see that all of the protagonist performed serious attacks maybe even terrorist attacks they can be considered, not only Toni, but it is depending on the "action level".

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Carbonox

Claude didn't actually blow up the restaurant, just a car outside of it.

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FMMZ

Let's check out all of the "terrorism related" protagonist acts in the 3d era (correct me if i'm missin' something):

 

GTA III: Claude blown up the Saint Marks Bistro restaurant with some guys inside.

GTA Vice City: Tommy bombed with a remote control helicopter a construction site with tons of workers and security inside.

GTA San Andreas: Carl breaked it into the Restricted Area and stole a $60.000.000 project, also stole that green slime from the military service.

GTA Liberty City Stories: Toni, blown up the Fort Carson subway, a lot of people was killed, also blown up a Sindacco factory.

GTA Vice City Stories: Vic stole a war chopper from the miilitary serviced he worked in, f*cked up the Mendez building operations and killed Jerry Martinez.

 

You can see that all of the protagonist performed serious attacks maybe even terrorist attacks they can be considered, not only Toni, but it is depending on the "action level".

Claude didn't blew up the Marco's Bistro, the car bomb just killed Mike Forelli.

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KnowDude

Let's check out all of the "terrorism related" protagonist acts in the 3d era (correct me if i'm missin' something):

 

GTA III: Claude blown up the Saint Marks Bistro restaurant with some guys inside.

He never destroyed the whole restaurant, just killed Mike Lips Forelli with an auto bomb because he was in debt with Joey Leone.

GTA Vice City: Tommy bombed with a remote control helicopter a construction site with tons of workers and security inside.

As I've stated above, this is also an immoral atrocity, but it's still a difference to kill 10-20 construction workers and thousands to hundreds of thousands of men, women and children.

GTA San Andreas: Carl breaked it into the Restricted Area and stole a $60.000.000 project, also stole that green slime from the military service.

Yeah, agree that it was a big deal to f*ck with the military, but they were armed and it was their job to protect the jetpack & the goo, the only time CJ may have gone too far was when he killed all those construction workers next to the Doherty garage, but since they made sexist remarks to his sister, it's at least somewhat justifiable. :lol:

GTA Liberty City Stories: Toni, blown up the Fort Carson subway, a lot of people was killed, also blown up a Sindacco factory.s

Yup, totally agree with that.

GTA Vice City Stories: Vic stole a war chopper from the miilitary serviced he worked in, f*cked up the Mendez building operations and killed Jerry Martinez.

The Mendez Brothers killed his love interest and were also the biggest criminal organization of Vice City in 1984, so I see no big deal in killing Mendez goons.

You can see that all of the protagonist performed serious attacks maybe even terrorist attacks they can be considered, not only Toni, but it is depending on the "action level".

Yes, I've never said that any GTA protagonist was a saint, some are more moral (Niko, Vic, maybe CJ) and some are absolute socio- or psychopaths (Trevor, Claude, Tommy, Toni) but in the end they are all people who kill for money or worse reasons.

But in my opinion Toni has commited the worst and least excusable crime out of all of them by bombing a ton of families to death for the well-being of a cannibal who had just lost his fortune and thus he couldn't even be sure if he would be "rewarded" for his atrocity

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Honker1944

 

Let's check out all of the "terrorism related" protagonist acts in the 3d era (correct me if i'm missin' something):

 

GTA Liberty City Stories: Toni, blown up the Fort Carson subway, a lot of people was killed, also blown up a Sindacco factory.s

It was a brothel and Casino in one not factory...

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universetwisters

GTA Liberty City Stories: Toni, blown up the Fort Carson subway, a lot of people was killed, also blown up a Sindacco factory.

Where in Liberty City is Fort Carson? I haven't seen it yet and I've been playing GTA 3 for 15 years.

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Lemoyne outlaw

 

GTA Liberty City Stories: Toni, blown up the Fort Carson subway, a lot of people was killed, also blown up a Sindacco factory.

Where in Liberty City is Fort Carson? I haven't seen it yet and I've been playing GTA 3 for 15 years.

 

its a secret area in the map that has the elusive damn train. along with the first bowling ally ever and roman bowls 24/7. also its all michaels fault because you never heard of it.

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IvoryX

Does the count of "Pedestrians Killed" in stats after Toni blew up Fort Carson gets any higher (apart from the killed Forelli goons inside the subway)?

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universetwisters

Where is Fort Carson? Are you mistaking it for Fort Staunton or are you f*cking around?

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FMMZ

Does the count of "Pedestrians Killed" in stats after Toni blew up Fort Carson gets any higher (apart from the killed Forelli goons inside the subway)?

Yeah, Toni made the Hunter Quarry with that bomb.

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Don Peyote

Where is Fort Carson? Are you mistaking it for Fort Staunton or are you f*cking around?

He means the old subway station in Fort Staunton.

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IvoryX

Yeah.. Fort STAUNTON guys, sorry

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ElBurroLiberty

Yeah, probably. Blowing up Fort Staunton was really, really horrible. He probably killed tens of thousands.

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Ondr4H

When I first saw walkthrough of this mission I was shocked, when I played it few days back I was shocked again.Is the worst mission in gta history and is similar to airport mission in call of duty-modern warfare 2.

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trailerparkboys420

What about Luis Lopez? he blew up a subway and 747 at the airport. Btw at least they didn't have an Arab protagonist for Gta Lcs

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Carbonox

The subway car had nobody in it but the target, same goes for the plane IIRC.

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IceDree

Definitely, We did some f*cked up sh*t in GTA over the years & still will for the years to come ... But Bringing Down The House is on a whole different level.

 

Toni leveled an entire city neighborhood (with its occupants).

We are talking about hundreds\thousands of innocent casualties & billions of dollars in damages.

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universetwisters

What about Luis Lopez? he blew up a subway and 747 at the airport. Btw at least they didn't have an Arab protagonist for Gta Lcs

*Luis stole a private jet, not a 747

*Luis only helped steal one of the subway cars, he didn't blow it up.

 

Factcheck.

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Michael

Luis only helped steal one of the subway cars, he didn't blow it up.

 

Get your facts straight. He actually did blow up a crane, a subway train and a private jet in the mission Bang Bang.

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DimitriFaustin

Yes, Toni's bombing of Fort Staunton definitely makes him a domestic terrorist. But the worst thing a GTA protagonist has done? IMO, hardly. Every GTA has its over-the-top, outlandish, ludicrous moments.

But "Hot Dog Homicide!" in GTA 2 to me reigns supreme.

 

 

GTA 2's Claude takes a bus load of innocent people to a hot dog factory for cannibalistic Russians, and takes the hot dogs to a diner. People eating at that joint might

be indulging on an old friend... :barf:

 

 

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CarlsonRe

Yes, Toni's bombing of Fort Staunton definitely makes him a domestic terrorist. But the worst thing a GTA protagonist has done? IMO, hardly. Every GTA has its over-the-top, outlandish, ludicrous moments.

But "Hot Dog Homicide!" in GTA 2 to me reigns supreme.

 

 

GTA 2's Claude takes a bus load of innocent people to a hot dog factory for cannibalistic Russians, and takes the hot dogs to a diner. People eating at that joint might

be indulging on an old friend... :barf:

 

 

Sorry for the very late reply but

f*ckIN' sh*t!

Why did he do that though?

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DimitriFaustin

 

Yes, Toni's bombing of Fort Staunton definitely makes him a domestic terrorist. But the worst thing a GTA protagonist has done? IMO, hardly. Every GTA has its over-the-top, outlandish, ludicrous moments.

But "Hot Dog Homicide!" in GTA 2 to me reigns supreme.

 

 

GTA 2's Claude takes a bus load of innocent people to a hot dog factory for cannibalistic Russians, and takes the hot dogs to a diner. People eating at that joint might

be indulging on an old friend... :barf:

 

 

Sorry for the very late reply but

f*ckIN' sh*t!

Why did he do that though?

 

Are you talking about Toni or Claude? If you're talking about Claude, well, I don't want to spoil GTA 2 for you, but essentially the game is all about a guy who makes money by any means necessary, even if he has

to manipulate, betray or kill people. He works for multiple gangs and by working with them simultaneously, the gang leaders were betrayed but Claude kills them all. "Hot Dog Homicide!" is an example of how he will do anything for cash, no matter how extreme or bold.

If you're talking about Toni however, well he was just doing something for Donald Love.

Edited by DimitriFaustin

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Datguy8925

In real life it would be blamed on muslims and no officer would even comprehend it maybe a white guy.

Sad but probably true.

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universetwisters

 

Luis only helped steal one of the subway cars, he didn't blow it up.

Get your facts straight. He actually did blow up a crane, a subway train and a private jet in the mission Bang Bang.

Then my bad, I forgot about that mission. However, I don't think blowing up a few targets with maybe a couple of people on them is nowhere near the same as blowing up an entire neighborhood and killing hundreds of innocent people just for a cannibal.

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Zello

 

Toni was crazy

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DoctorMike

So... Toni was Salvatore's bitch, he murdered a high ranking member of Sindacco I think...

He layed low for a while and the story continues, he was usually calm but when he is angry, he does some stupid and violent things. Like when he cut Giovanni Casa into pieces. He could be called terrorist, cause he killed people, blew up a half of the city of Staunton. He got fat three years later and known for punching a man cuz the guy said that the "baked Ziti" (italian food) was not baked enough.

Toni is a mademan of leone family which makes him a terrorist I think im not sure though...

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Lemoyne outlaw

airport mission in call of duty-modern warfare 2.

rememer no russian. that was a crazy mission with a lot of controversy. anyway i was also thinking the place toni blew up kids probably lived there right? of course we dont see them but im sure there were a few. which could mean toni is the only protagonist to have killed a kid possibly.

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