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Surely if this happened in real life Toni would be a top ten wanted fugitive. Blowing up Fort Stauton must have killed thousands. Would this make Toni the most wanted character in the III era?

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This would make Toni the most wanted criminal, but weapons owned and stored by Forellis' underground were blamed for the explosion so noone other than Toni, Donald Love and 8-Ball know what really happened.

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Sussus Amongus

Didn't he blow up the Shorside Vale tunnel too? I can't really remember the story it was a long time. Might have been the same thing idk.

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He only blew up the old subway.

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Hmmm nice bike

Toni pulled some Al Qaeda sh*t just for a $5000 reward because Donald Love said so, and I guess to take out a few Forellis among a lot of innocent people. That technically makes Love a Bin Laden-type figure.

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Toni pulled some Al Qaeda sh*t just for a $5000 reward because Donald Love said so, and I guess to take out a few Forellis among a lot of innocent people. That technically makes Love a Bin Laden-type figure.

 

On a positive note, it does explain this.

 

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I agree though, I'm pretty amazed Toni got away with it, though I shouldn't be considering all the other crazy sh*t that happens in the GTA universe.

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Hmmm nice bike

I agree though, I'm pretty amazed Toni got away with it, though I shouldn't be considering all the other crazy sh*t that happens in the GTA universe.

Yeah, considering CJ was able to rob an army train of some kind of mystery goo and break into a military base for a jetpack, and we were able to pull off all of these robberies in V (including the biggest take in American history) without a hitch and with no sign forensics or anything even being done afterward. But I do think Toni blowing up Fort Staunton is easily the worst act a protagonist has done within a story, considering the destruction and how a ton of innocent people had to have died.

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In my opinion? I can't say. It's been a long time since I played LCS. But he did do a lot of crazy stuff. Out of all of them, I'd say all protags are. Claude robs banks, starts (and ends) all-out wars on dams, kills FBI dudes, etc. Tommy blows up a construction site, starts a war inside his own house, and a lot of other crazy sh!t. CJ robs a military base for a jetpack, steals mystery goo off a train, robs houses for guns, etc. Vic breaks into a military base with a drunk guy (can't get more dumb than that), can't remember anything else on him cuz it's been forever since I played VCS. It's been forever since I played GTA, tbh. I'm so glad my little brother stopped using this account lol.

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I think what makes Toni's various acts in Liberty City Stories all the more 'surprising' to watch is due to the fact that, when we first saw him in III, it was completely unbelievable to think that such a person could have done so much in his younger days ... and just three years earlier!

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when we first saw him in III, it was completely unbelievable to think that such a person could have done so much in his younger days ... and just three years earlier!

 

That's what happen when you get lazy and move in with your folks.

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Rockstar was incredibly inconsistent with this game. It's like the Toni from LCS is not the same Toni from III. Realistically, he was a poor choice for the protagonist, especially since they went for a Tommy Vercetti-type charactertization. The Toni in III felt like he'd been around much longer and paid his dues a lot sooner than the one in LCS.

 

I want to replay LCS soon, but when I loaded it on the PS2, I was really disapointed by the controls. Vice City Stories's port was so good, but the controls from PSP to PS2 didn't work out so well for LCS...

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I want to replay LCS soon, but when I loaded it on the PS2, I was really disapointed by the controls. Vice City Stories's port was so good, but the controls from PSP to PS2 didn't work out so well for LCS...

Now what the hell did you just say? Do you realise

how foolish you sound? Controls for LCS and VCS on PS2 are identical. Problem may be, you have different control schemes selected for these games, which makes you disappointed for no good reason.

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Rockstar was incredibly inconsistent with this game. It's like the Toni from LCS is not the same Toni from III. Realistically, he was a poor choice for the protagonist, especially since they went for a Tommy Vercetti-type charactertization. The Toni in III felt like he'd been around much longer and paid his dues a lot sooner than the one in LCS.

 

I want to replay LCS soon, but when I loaded it on the PS2, I was really disapointed by the controls. Vice City Stories's port was so good, but the controls from PSP to PS2 didn't work out so well for LCS...

Um....if I remember correctly, LCS has classic controls on the PS2. The PSP version is no different.
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I want to replay LCS soon, but when I loaded it on the PS2, I was really disapointed by the controls. Vice City Stories's port was so good, but the controls from PSP to PS2 didn't work out so well for LCS...

 

They're essentially the same aside from a few more being put into VCS for fist fighting and, a given, helicopter controls, unless you're talking about something completely different by controls, to which elaboration is the word of the day.

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Rockstar was incredibly inconsistent with this game. It's like the Toni from LCS is not the same Toni from III. Realistically, he was a poor choice for the protagonist, especially since they went for a Tommy Vercetti-type charactertization. The Toni in III felt like he'd been around much longer and paid his dues a lot sooner than the one in LCS.

 

I agree with you on this. How on Earth could it only be three years for him to pay his dues and he was some errand boy for a capo who treated him like crap, a cannibal businessman, the wife of a Yakuza head, and a bent cop? I know it was explained that he was demoted after spending four years laying low for some heat and he returned to LC after that time, only for Vincenzo Cilli to take over his spot. However, the LCS version is so much different than the III version.

 

 

when we first saw him in III, it was completely unbelievable to think that such a person could have done so much in his younger days ... and just three years earlier!

 

That's what happen when you get lazy and move in with your folks.

 

 

I would only think he moved in with his mom to help with the restaurant, but I don't know why he would want to live with her. She treated him like dirt for the most part. However, the lazy part I can agree with.

 

As for the subject at hand, I agree with all of you saying that he had to have been a terrorist to pull off something like this. Sure, it may explain the whole construction site in III, but man, lots of lives lost in the process. If it had been a "Fight Club" like scenario with blowing up buildings with them all empty, that would be one thing, but this was just terrible.

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when we first saw him in III, it was completely unbelievable to think that such a person could have done so much in his younger days ... and just three years earlier!

 

That's what happen when you get lazy and move in with your folks.

 

 

I would only think he moved in with his mom to help with the restaurant, but I don't know why he would want to live with her. She treated him like dirt for the most part. However, the lazy part I can agree with.

 

I think Toni's just crazy submissive. I mean, he jumps through all these hoops just to prove himself to his mom. But in the end, I think they got on good terms halfway through LCS, calling off the hit on him after he became a made man

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I think it's the fact all Italian mom's are hard on their boys. Toni takes care of her because of the bloodline.

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They didn't even try to make this character realistic :)

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Damn. I was writing about this stuff on another thread, and realized how many innocent people Toni kills. He blows up Fort Staunton, Kills Giovanni casa and sells him as meat to his own deli. Murders a street racer just because his mother wants to, kills three Celebrities, one Avery Carrington (Rest in beace Avery.) Free roam casualites are not included.

 

LCS is disturbing when I think of it.

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I think that's the point with Toni. His family never loved him, and he doesn't seem very open. He is loyal to Sal because he is the father he never had. The only people that care about him.

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Rockstar was incredibly inconsistent with this game. It's like the Toni from LCS is not the same Toni from III. Realistically, he was a poor choice for the protagonist, especially since they went for a Tommy Vercetti-type charactertization. The Toni in III felt like he'd been around much longer and paid his dues a lot sooner than the one in LCS.

That happens with pretty much all characters returning from III. Donald Love no longer is serious and mysterious, while Salvatore just doesn't seem able to lead the Leones without help.

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This thread has made me realize that Toni has problem done the worst crimes out of all the protagonists. In every other game, most of the murders are done on people who are around the crime world or done something to provoke you (like the construction workers disrespecting CJ's sister) but in LCS, Toni also targets a bunch of innocent people, most notably in this terrorist mission and the brutal killing of Casa. Toni might just be the most sadistic protagonist because even Trevor shows some remorse and tends to target people who got involved with the crime world rather than flat out innocents.

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Hmm, this inspires me to make a meme. Saying that, I'd consider him to be one of the largest monsters in 3D era GTA.

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It all just proves how dumb and powerhungry Toni was. He did all those murders so he can get a high rank in the Leone family. Really, he in LCS is like Claude, only with a voice.

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"Let death take my enemies by surprise; let them go down alive to the grave, for evil finds lodging among them."

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This thread has made me realize that Toni has problem done the worst crimes out of all the protagonists. In every other game, most of the murders are done on people who are around the crime world or done something to provoke you (like the construction workers disrespecting CJ's sister) but in LCS, Toni also targets a bunch of innocent people, most notably in this terrorist mission and the brutal killing of Casa. Toni might just be the most sadistic protagonist because even Trevor shows some remorse and tends to target people who got involved with the crime world rather than flat out innocents.

And if you play GTA III, you can't tell that the fat and lazy Toni is the same Toni from LCS only three years earlier. But I think developers wanted you to believe that Toni is an extremely loyal person.

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Yeah... But hey? "His daddy was not nice to him"

 

I agree, he is the proto-terrorist, he killed a lot of people in that yaikaboom and then in gta 3 he is like "I am just the stereotype of an fat italian mobster with no remorse for the terrorist acts I commited 3 years ago, turn on the opera, kid"...

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"I am just the stereotype of an fat italian mobster with no remorse for the terrorist acts I commited 3 years ago, turn on the opera, kid"...

What do you expect when GTA 3 came out first :lol:

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"I am just the stereotype of an fat italian mobster with no remorse for the terrorist acts I commited 3 years ago, turn on the opera, kid"...

What do you expect when GTA 3 came out first :lol:Well I was a expecting him, when I bought and play for first time LCS, a lot less crazy Toni Cipriani like in gta 3,well, in III he sound so cool, calm and mafiosi because of Madsen's voice, he is like a totally different person, the only resemblances beetween III toni and LCS toni is the name and "the annoying momma"
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