Things you didn't know about GTAO until now

[Plage]

^They'll sometimes tell you "nice car" or what ever when you've just grapped at standard unmodded car from an NPC and drive around in it. That's not really an indication for what you said but rather just a bug.

 

 

 

Jesse is in online.
Found him shooting some npcs in Downtown. You probably think he was placed there by a modder, but it was a solo public lobby that nobody had joined since i made it. I also drove by there a few times earlier and he was not there.

I know that Jesu...ehm, Jesse can be online.

 

 

It seems to me like sometimes the game has a hick-up and spawns an NPC that normally shouldn't be available or doesn't fits a certain location. I for example had one of the tourist NPCs with camera around the neck spawning with the Vagos in La Mesa. He was standing in a group with them like he belonged to them.

But I still have my doubts about your screenshot above as NPCs normally don't use or have assault rifles like he is sporting in your shot. Are you sure it really was a solo session and not a public one where all other players had dropped out so you were on your own?

Edited March 1, 2017 by Plage

[Black-Dragon96]

^They'll sometimes tell you "nice car" or what ever when you've just grapped at standard unmodded car from an NPC and drive around in it. That's not really an indication for what you said but rather just a bug.

 

 

 

Jesse is in online.

Found him shooting some npcs in Downtown. You probably think he was placed there by a modder, but it was a solo public lobby that nobody had joined since i made it. I also drove by there a few times earlier and he was not there.

I know that Jesu...ehm, Jesse can be online.

 

 

It seems to me like sometimes the game has a hick-up and spawns an NPC that normally shouldn't be available or doesn't fits a certain location. I for example had one of the tourist NPCs with camera around the neck spawning with the Vagos in La Mesa. He was standing in a group with them like he belonged to them.

But I still have my doubts about your screenshot above as NPCs normally don't use or have assault rifles like he is sporting in your shot. Are you sure it really was a solo session and not a public one where all other players had dropped out so you were on your own?

As i said, it was a solo public lobby (empty public lobby). I droped myself out of a public lobby. The thing is he was not there when i droped out of the lobby and i went by there a couple of times and he was also not there. But one time when i drove back to my office he suddenly was there and shooting at other npcs and i am 100% sure that nobody had joined since i droped out.

 

It could be that he was spawned somewhere else by a modder before i droped out and simply walked to this place and started shooting.

[PsychoJill]

with 100% armor your car can survive being dropped from any height.

Even with a randomly stolen car?

[PsychoJill]

I didn't read all the pages lol but I recently discovered that you can provoke some pedestrians simply by standing next to them unarmed and pressing the "aiming" button. Some will run away, but some will tell you things like "hey, i know Kraf Maga" and will attack you. I did this to thigten up my strengh ability. You can even equip a knuckle-duster.

[Gridl0k]

It's "things you didn't know" so no need to read

 

with 100% armor your car can survive being dropped from any height.

Even with a randomly stolen car?

 

 

If you add 100% armour, yes. You need a tracker to stop it exploding if you leave it upside down though.

[Plage]

 

As i said, it was a solo public lobby (empty public lobby). I droped myself out of a public lobby. The thing is he was not there when i droped out of the lobby and i went by there a couple of times and he was also not there. But one time when i drove back to my office he suddenly was there and shooting at other npcs and i am 100% sure that nobody had joined since i droped out.

 

It could be that he was spawned somewhere else by a modder before i droped out and simply walked to this place and started shooting.

 

Sorry, I must have skipped that part somehow. Then you've your explaination why he was in there. The reasons why you didn't noticed him before can be various (like he was there but actually doing nothing so you didn't noticed him, he arrived in a vehicle or was moving there one foot and so on).

 

This also was in a solo public lobby. Imagine my face when I came around the corner.^^

Edited March 1, 2017 by Plage

[Furry_Monkey]

 

 

^They'll sometimes tell you "nice car" or what ever when you've just grapped at standard unmodded car from an NPC and drive around in it. That's not really an indication for what you said but rather just a bug.

 

 

 

Jesse is in online.

Found him shooting some npcs in Downtown. You probably think he was placed there by a modder, but it was a solo public lobby that nobody had joined since i made it. I also drove by there a few times earlier and he was not there.

I know that Jesu...ehm, Jesse can be online.

 

 

 

It seems to me like sometimes the game has a hick-up and spawns an NPC that normally shouldn't be available or doesn't fits a certain location. I for example had one of the tourist NPCs with camera around the neck spawning with the Vagos in La Mesa. He was standing in a group with them like he belonged to them.

But I still have my doubts about your screenshot above as NPCs normally don't use or have assault rifles like he is sporting in your shot. Are you sure it really was a solo session and not a public one where all other players had dropped out so you were on your own?

As i said, it was a solo public lobby (empty public lobby). I droped myself out of a public lobby. The thing is he was not there when i droped out of the lobby and i went by there a couple of times and he was also not there. But one time when i drove back to my office he suddenly was there and shooting at other npcs and i am 100% sure that nobody had joined since i droped out.

 

It could be that he was spawned somewhere else by a modder before i droped out and simply walked to this place and started shooting.

 

 

I've assumed that's a hiccup, as already suggested, and that he spawned as an NPC in the gang attack that takes place under the construction site. That would also explain the massive weapon.

[Plage]

Sometimes modders that want to be helpful or just have some fun spawn in NPCs that shoot everything when such an attack is going on. Had that happen exactly at this gang attack location at the construction site.

 

It was a freaking mess with mafiosos, cops, various types of spawned in NPCs shooting each other and me in the middle of it.

Edited March 1, 2017 by Plage

[PwnageSoldier]

I figured out modders can spawn invincible planes.

Me and my modder friend had a great time taking out planes and helicopters by ramming into them with jet black besras

[Fireboy769]

 

^They'll sometimes tell you "nice car" or what ever when you've just grapped at standard unmodded car from an NPC and drive around in it. That's not really an indication for what you said but rather just a bug.

 

 

 

Jesse is in online.

Found him shooting some npcs in Downtown. You probably think he was placed there by a modder, but it was a solo public lobby that nobody had joined since i made it. I also drove by there a few times earlier and he was not there.

I know that Jesu...ehm, Jesse can be online.

 

 

It seems to me like sometimes the game has a hick-up and spawns an NPC that normally shouldn't be available or doesn't fits a certain location. I for example had one of the tourist NPCs with camera around the neck spawning with the Vagos in La Mesa. He was standing in a group with them like he belonged to them.

But I still have my doubts about your screenshot above as NPCs normally don't use or have assault rifles like he is sporting in your shot. Are you sure it really was a solo session and not a public one where all other players had dropped out so you were on your own?

As i said, it was a solo public lobby (empty public lobby). I droped myself out of a public lobby. The thing is he was not there when i droped out of the lobby and i went by there a couple of times and he was also not there. But one time when i drove back to my office he suddenly was there and shooting at other npcs and i am 100% sure that nobody had joined since i droped out.

 

It could be that he was spawned somewhere else by a modder before i droped out and simply walked to this place and started shooting.

I could relate to that (the game having a hiccup and spawning something from SP.) I once joined online from SP amd something happened that I would like to call the 'Dead World Glitch'. For some reason, the game thought I was in SP while in Online, so it did a shoe lot of stuff that I can do in SP and even more. The things that happened:

*Was able to use Michaels Ability infinitely

*Duke O Death Spawned

*I could visit some interiors that were inaccessible, even Bahama Mamas (I fell down, though), the Comedy Club and the Police Station (Back).

*The Blimps (Atomic and Xero, seeing as I'm a returning player) both spawned

*I was both invincible and invisible to everyone in the lobby, but I could kill no one, hence the name 'Dead World'

*Jets (the Passenger kind) spawned at the Airport

*The gates to Fort Zancudo were open

*I had absolutely every phone contact in the game, even some unused phone contact called 'DUMMY1' (or something like that)

*As soon as I died, the game faded to black and then crashed.

(And according to my friend in the lobby, as soon as I died, absolutely everyone got lagged out from the session)

 

This was seriously hand down the most weirdest (and powerful) glitch I have ever experienced. And it was only for a once in s lifetime while.

[Dacelo]

The leather cap with goggles is classified as a mask.

[Geisterfaust]

I'm quite sure they're programmed to hit you at basically all costs if possible. This again becomes apparent when you've crossing traffic. Sometimes vehicles even exceed their given max. speed to hit you (most obvious with things like campers, the taco vans or trucks).

 

We all know this game is an exaggeration of the real world in which many drivers act like they're alone on the road but for my taste this is way too much.

 

Same goes for the traffic going nuts when just a single shot is fired somewhere in the vincinity. I mean it's totally "gaga" how they react, hitting sh*t left and right, turning into oncomming traffic and so on. Don't get me wrong. It's understandable that they'll try to get away somehow but they're literally making themselfs a target with their headless (re)actions and then often play head against steering wheel just to permanently honk the horn afterwards (=dead).

There is a video about that, it's a long video, but it's worth watching. Most annoying thing is that this video was made in 2014 on PS3 and R* failed to improve their idiotic AI.

Long story short, super-speeds are achievable due to the fact that there are 2 modes of NPC traffic: dedicated and easy. In easy mode there is no physics involved and cars are literally flying above the road, hence the moronic speeds.

 

The fact that issues described in the video are not obsolete in a regularly updated game that migrated to a new generation of consoles and was separately re-developed for PC is the reason I'm mad at R*. Especially, on PC where we can't patch anything on pain of ban.

 

Edited March 1, 2017 by hei3enberg

[Mach1bud]

^They'll sometimes tell you "nice car" or what ever when you've just grapped at standard unmodded car from an NPC and drive around in it. That's not really an indication for what you said but rather just a bug.

 

 

 

Jesse is in online.

Found him shooting some npcs in Downtown. You probably think he was placed there by a modder, but it was a solo public lobby that nobody had joined since i made it. I also drove by there a few times earlier and he was not there.

I know that Jesu...ehm, Jesse can be online.

 

 

It seems to me like sometimes the game has a hick-up and spawns an NPC that normally shouldn't be available or doesn't fits a certain location. I for example had one of the tourist NPCs with camera around the neck spawning with the Vagos in La Mesa. He was standing in a group with them like he belonged to them.

But I still have my doubts about your screenshot above as NPCs normally don't use or have assault rifles like he is sporting in your shot. Are you sure it really was a solo session and not a public one where all other players had dropped out so you were on your own?

I had a friend two Festive Surprises ago who turned into Franklin when he lagged out. Full dialouge and everything lol. It was hilarious. Then I killed him.

[Black-Dragon96]

 

 

 

^They'll sometimes tell you "nice car" or what ever when you've just grapped at standard unmodded car from an NPC and drive around in it. That's not really an indication for what you said but rather just a bug.

 

 

 

Jesse is in online.

Found him shooting some npcs in Downtown. You probably think he was placed there by a modder, but it was a solo public lobby that nobody had joined since i made it. I also drove by there a few times earlier and he was not there.

I know that Jesu...ehm, Jesse can be online.

 

 

 

It seems to me like sometimes the game has a hick-up and spawns an NPC that normally shouldn't be available or doesn't fits a certain location. I for example had one of the tourist NPCs with camera around the neck spawning with the Vagos in La Mesa. He was standing in a group with them like he belonged to them.

But I still have my doubts about your screenshot above as NPCs normally don't use or have assault rifles like he is sporting in your shot. Are you sure it really was a solo session and not a public one where all other players had dropped out so you were on your own?

As i said, it was a solo public lobby (empty public lobby). I droped myself out of a public lobby. The thing is he was not there when i droped out of the lobby and i went by there a couple of times and he was also not there. But one time when i drove back to my office he suddenly was there and shooting at other npcs and i am 100% sure that nobody had joined since i droped out.

 

It could be that he was spawned somewhere else by a modder before i droped out and simply walked to this place and started shooting.

 

I've assumed that's a hiccup, as already suggested, and that he spawned as an NPC in the gang attack that takes place under the construction site. That would also explain the massive weapon.

Well the gang attack did not start and he did never attack me. Im nearly sure that he was spawned by a modder and walked to this place and because of that i did not see him earlier.

[Galehaut]

This game bugs are probably the funniest honestly. It can change the experience so much in so many different ways. That's including all the clothing glitches that permits to create more personalized outfits.

 

I probably did Pacific heist setups more than 100 times already but yesterday i faced a bug that i had never seen before.

 

We were doing the bike setup normally and after clearing The lost bikers club , i got shot by 2 SWAT members that had arrived on the scene. I had no stars but i realized that police was coming from everywhere , It was really confusing. I was playing in a livestream at that moment and the girl streaming caught a glimpse of me fighting those swats rushing the bikers club.

 

What i don't understand though is that the cops seemed to attack all the remaining NPCs around , just like if the cops were actually ON THEM and not us.

 

Edited March 1, 2017 by MuralDeciphered

[DentureDynamite]

Jesse is in online.

Found him shooting some npcs in Downtown. You probably think he was placed there by a modder, but it was a solo public lobby that nobody had joined since i made it. I also drove by there a few times earlier and he was not there.

 

 

In my experience on the PC, objects a "modder" spawns in one session can persist through multiple sessions (even Solo or Invite Only) until you actually close the game and restart.

 

Not saying that this is what happened, but it's certainly possible.

Edited March 1, 2017 by DentureDynamite

[nido997]

well , I m not sure if some ppl already know about this ,but there are some tuning options reserved to the LSC that you can´t find at Benny , for instance the Fender option for the Tornado custom ...

could this be an issue with Benny ? are there some other Benny-cars having the same "problem" ?

[Goingcrowd9]

The hole 'back' of a helicopter CAN snap off (like in gta4) without exploding, but it only happend once (I'post a pic soon). I reversed a lazer into a frogger and then used the ejecter seat.

 

And a bit off-topic: I heard deleting your alternate-mac adress (xbox) Improves online-stability !?

[Nacho Z]

Did a gang attack and when it got to the last guy he was giving it the usual "I'm going to rip off your little toe and sh*t down your ear" smack talk but in reality he was actually standing there peacefully, staring into the distance oblivious to the carnage around him. I had assumed that if you were hearing that stuff then the person saying it would be aggro.

[autofanatic]

well , I m not sure if some ppl already know about this ,but there are some tuning options reserved to the LSC that you can´t find at Benny , for instance the Fender option for the Tornado custom ...

could this be an issue with Benny ? are there some other Benny-cars having the same "problem" ?

Buccaneer custom missing bumper option: wheelie bar.

[Plage]

well , I m not sure if some ppl already know about this ,but there are some tuning options reserved to the LSC that you can´t find at Benny , for instance the Fender option for the Tornado custom ...

could this be an issue with Benny ? are there some other Benny-cars having the same "problem" ?

 

The Sultan RS is missing the fender modification option at Benny's and in the CEO garage. It's only available at LSC.

 

There is a video about that, it's a long video, but it's worth watching. Most annoying thing is that this video was made in 2014 on PS3 and R* failed to improve their idiotic AI.

 

Long story short, super-speeds are achievable due to the fact that there are 2 modes of NPC traffic: dedicated and easy. In easy mode there is no physics involved and cars are literally flying above the road, hence the moronic speeds.

 

The fact that issues described in the video are not obsolete in a regularly updated game that migrated to a new generation of consoles and was separately re-developed for PC is the reason I'm mad at R*. Especially, on PC where we can't patch anything on pain of ban.

 

 

I know about these two modes. Somebody else had posted a video where he's using a mod that gives out car speeds and turning angels or directions (forgot which it actually was) and it becomes quite apparent that there is a "simple physics" mode vehicles use when they aren't in the direct vincinity of a player. Only if a player gets closer to them they'll switch to "full physics" mode. It seems like it can generate problems when the AI switches from "simple" to "full" and this is when you'll get some of the "spasms" you can observe.

 

The thing is that this is "normal" and exists since the beginning as you've already pointed out but I'd say they've upped the ante with the I/E upgrade quite a bit and the AI is now even behaving worse when you're driving one of the cars that you've to get or deliver for said business. Of course it can just be imagination but I'm actually quite sure this difference is really existing as I've driven around in the game quite a lot by now in all kinds of vehicles and situations and I've also done enough aquisitions and deliveries to say that this is really the case.

Edited March 2, 2017 by Plage

[Geisterfaust]

Well, to be honest we will never be able to compare it with previous versions and that bothers me. I'm not telling that you're wrong, by all means no. It's just a skeptic inside me that is constantly reminding about different criteria: we're more concerned about damage, naturally and we're visiting specific places. My point is that there are roads where traffic always is f*cked up. Ex: Tongva Hills (traffic is too fast for the curves), Paleto Bay turn at Baker's garage (same story) and Tongva drive (traffic is making multiple turns in different directions from wrong lines).

 

I agree, it looks to me too like traffic is more f*cked-up after IE update especially in missions, but it's not everywhere on the map, just some locations. I'm delivering from Elysian island and it's obvious that I'm sticking to the highways, ignoring GPS. Thing is, traffic is the same on highways, not more aggressive.

My ideas are: traffic was f*cked since day one, R* is too incompetent either to fix or to exploit it, some areas are more dangerous than others, especially areas with turns.

P.S. I'm not trying to prove my point or win, it's just my professional deformation as I work in science and do a lot of hypothesis testing IRL.

[Pedinhuh]

After making this my current objective in the game, I have become in taking down jets....With a Buzzard!

 

Believe it or not, its easy quite to dodge jets and other helicopters homing missiles if you know how to evade them with strafing, the real problem with the jets is the explosive cannons, that is why it is wise for whoever is using a Buzzard to stay behind the jet firing the missiles.

 

Also, evading the rockets from HRL is possible, but too difficult, I have never been able to evade them.

 

R2K rockets destroys me everytime.

 

You also can evade any homing missile with the jets by doing aileron rolls.

 

Oh god...Am I becoming helissexual???

 

Crap, I should be driving more cars...

[Plage]

Well, to be honest we will never be able to compare it with previous versions and that bothers me. I'm not telling that you're wrong, by all means no. It's just a skeptic inside me that is constantly reminding about different criteria: we're more concerned about damage, naturally and we're visiting specific places. My point is that there are roads where traffic always is f*cked up. Ex: Tongva Hills (traffic is too fast for the curves), Paleto Bay turn at Baker's garage (same story) and Tongva drive (traffic is making multiple turns in different directions from wrong lines).

 

I agree, it looks to me too like traffic is more f*cked-up after IE update especially in missions, but it's not everywhere on the map, just some locations. I'm delivering from Elysian island and it's obvious that I'm sticking to the highways, ignoring GPS. Thing is, traffic is the same on highways, not more aggressive.

My ideas are: traffic was f*cked since day one, R* is too incompetent either to fix or to exploit it, some areas are more dangerous than others, especially areas with turns.

P.S. I'm not trying to prove my point or win, it's just my professional deformation as I work in science and do a lot of hypothesis testing IRL.

I'd actually say one can make a general comparison. Of course not with earlier versions as you said but one for "normal vs. I/E traffic" should be possible.

 

There are below 10 (don't know the exact number...maybe six?) delivery locations only and you're always starting from the same position. I for example basically always follow about the given routes in the navi and to make a comparison you only have to drive one of the same routes in "free roam" and see if the AI reaction is about the same or not.

You'll now maybe say but there are the "bad guys" that are influencing the traffic and such but that's not really true as you won't have any appearing in a more filled up session (don't know the exact threshold for that). But even if you want to do a comparison including bad guys you can simply fire off shots yourself constantly or even better have one or more friends taking the part of the bad guys which should have about the same effect.

 

About the last part I can just say that you're obviously right about the messed up locations and that but I'd say I've observed reactions of the AI that normally don't happen at all. Like for example the already mentioned situation in which a truck is driving in the left lane and then immediately crosses over at least one line to turn right in an attempt to crash into you. The same actually goes for crossing vehicles. You'll also have that in "free roam" but they're normally rather keeping a constant pace and don't deliberately de- or accelerate in a try to hit you the way it seems to be happening during an I/E delivery.

 

Btw, I also don't want to prove you wrong and me right at all cost. It's just that I've spent enough time with the game by now to allow myself to make the claim that I'm indeed right with what I say. But like you said there's still the possibility that it just feels like that because one obviously pays more attention to caused damage for the given reasons.

Edited March 2, 2017 by Plage

[lana_del_rey]

Until today I didn't know what it's like to drive an Ocelot Lynx. Now that I've bought one I can finally die happy!

[Geisterfaust]

 

Plage, you've got my curiosity and now you've got my attention. I share your beliefs that there is something wrong with delivery missions beyond my perception and traffic state is indeed altered, but I can't describe what exactly is wrong. It looks like there's more traffic or it's moving with increased speed. It also looks like there is some kind of lag, but it happens in solo lobbies too. Probably, I should record delivery and view it afterwards couple of times comparing with completing the same routes in pure freeroam in the same time.

 

Edited March 2, 2017 by hei3enberg

[FlacidJack]

 

 

 

 

 

^They'll sometimes tell you "nice car" or what ever when you've just grapped at standard unmodded car from an NPC and drive around in it. That's not really an indication for what you said but rather just a bug.

 

 

 

Jesse is in online.

Found him shooting some npcs in Downtown. You probably think he was placed there by a modder, but it was a solo public lobby that nobody had joined since i made it. I also drove by there a few times earlier and he was not there.

I know that Jesu...ehm, Jesse can be online.

 

It seems to me like sometimes the game has a hick-up and spawns an NPC that normally shouldn't be available or doesn't fits a certain location. I for example had one of the tourist NPCs with camera around the neck spawning with the Vagos in La Mesa. He was standing in a group with them like he belonged to them.

But I still have my doubts about your screenshot above as NPCs normally don't use or have assault rifles like he is sporting in your shot. Are you sure it really was a solo session and not a public one where all other players had dropped out so you were on your own?

As i said, it was a solo public lobby (empty public lobby). I droped myself out of a public lobby. The thing is he was not there when i droped out of the lobby and i went by there a couple of times and he was also not there. But one time when i drove back to my office he suddenly was there and shooting at other npcs and i am 100% sure that nobody had joined since i droped out.

It could be that he was spawned somewhere else by a modder before i droped out and simply walked to this place and started shooting.

 

I've assumed that's a hiccup, as already suggested, and that he spawned as an NPC in the gang attack that takes place under the construction site. That would also explain the massive weapon.

 

 

Well the gang attack did not start and he did never attack me. Im nearly sure that he was spawned by a modder and walked to this place and because of that i did not see him earlier.

im sure it was a mod menu user too. There could be many reasons why you didn't see him earlier, mod menu spawned npc never despawn so my bet is that some other npc pissed him off so he pulled out a weapon handed down to him by the mod menu gods.

 

Similar PC story time...

Yesterday I spawned in a public lobby after a mission and left within seconds to join a friend in invite-only. As soon as I exited my office I noticed a group of cops standing right outside Arcadius and once my friend got outside he couldn't see them so I pointed at them (like an idiot) with my SMG from the passenger seat... Naturally they all started shooting me with tazer guns, I normally just reboot the game but I thought I'd enjoy the chase, I had to kill each one because no matter how far we drove they didn't give up. They were stealing cars and chasing us everywhere so even when I thought I killed them all every once in a while one would show up and taze me. It was kinda fun actually but since tazers don't do damage I lied on the ground being tazed a couple times until my friend would kill them with a sticky, even though he couldn't see them he saved my life multiple times.

[lana_del_rey]

That you can collect briefcases while inside the Buzzard helicopter during Hostile Takeover

Edited May 22, 2017 by lana_del_rey

[SaboteurSniper]

Didn't know these things on top of the Arcadius building could be damaged like this:

 

 

 

There was actually flames and billowing smoke coming from one of those fans on top but it didn't show up in the R* Editor. A Buzzard was attacking me up there so I assume that's how it was damaged. Don't seem to be able to replicate the damage myself though.

Edited March 3, 2017 by SaboteurSniper

[FlacidJack]

 

 

Didn't know these things on top of the Arcadius building could be damaged like this:

 

 

 

 

There was actually flames and billowing smoke coming from one of those fans on top but it didn't show up in the R* Editor. A Buzzard was attacking me up there so I assume that's how it was damaged. Don't seem to be able to replicate the damage myself though.

a minigun normally does the trick, I only learned that a couple weeks ago (the hard way), I tried to shoot a police heli as we waited for a friendly heli pickup in the PS finale. No money was lost and I survived thanks to my heavy utility vest... Fun times. Edited March 3, 2017 by FlacidJack