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billiejoearmstrong8

Golf (V) and pool (San Andreas and IV) are the best GTA minigames

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El Penguin Bobo
38 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Golf (V) and pool (San Andreas and IV) are the best GTA minigames

Where's air hockey? I loved that in the episodes.

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billiejoearmstrong8
4 hours ago, El Penguin Bobo said:

Where's air hockey? I loved that in the episodes.

It's really realistic so I have to give it props for that, it feels like you're really playing air hockey lol. But because it's also difficult/frustrating in the same way real air hockey can be I can't deal with it :P 

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Outlaw Biker Viking

As I’ve said before, I’m mainly neutral with SA characters. It seems as if most people either really like them or really dislike them, much like the game itself. The only characters I truly like are The Truth, Mike Toreno, Cesar Vialpando, and Woozie (as in characters who initially appeared in this game). The only characters I truly dislike are OG Loc, B-Dup, their version of Catalina, and all girlfriends, if you can even count the gfs as characters, lol. 

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Rajaraja

IV Sentinel > 3D era Sentinel > V Sentinel

 

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On 6/12/2019 at 8:53 PM, Rajaraja said:

IV Sentinel > 3D era Sentinel > V Sentinel

 

The 3D era Sentinel looks different depending on the game (VC, VCS, and SA Sentinel look pretty much the same while the III and LCS ones look completely different) so how do you rank the different iterations?

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TheSantader25

GTA III Mafia Sentinel > GTA VC Sentinel > GTA IV Sentinel(One of the few cars in IV that actually feels good to drive) > GTA SA Sentinel > GTA V Sentinel > GTA III Sentinel

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TheSantader25

-Eddie Low is overrated and generic. 

 

-Last Gen GTA V > Current Gen GTA V. It's safe to say R* can't recapture the atmosphere in their remastered  versions again. Worst case scenario was also San Andreas. 

 

- Ray Boccino > Phil Bell

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2 hours ago, TheSantader25 said:

-Eddie Low is overrated and generic. 

 

-Last Gen GTA V > Current Gen GTA V. It's safe to say R* can't recapture the atmosphere in their remastered  versions again. Worst case scenario was also San Andreas. 

 

- Ray Boccino > Phil Bell

I thought most people agreed with that last one

 

also Xbox 360 and especially mobile version of gta iii is amazing

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DirtCheap

I honestly laugh when people label VC as "mature".

 

I'm sorry, but how is that game mature? The start, maybe, but 95% of it? No. It's not mature at all. A YT channel (video link down below) even claimed VC had the best  GTA story due to it being "All fun, no drama".

 

I mean, Tommy literally doesn't give a sh*t about anyone, and never really gets upset over anyone's demise. The only time he does show sadness is when he realizes Lance is a traitor. Not only that, but he happily kills without too many questions.

 

The game is not at all mature. OK, maybe the start is pretty serious, but once Tommy gets some money, he enjoys a luxurious life of crime and infamy. He only works to get money for himself (for most of the game), and doesn't look like the guy to happily share his money. 

 

I honestly don't see why people act like this game's story is amazing and breathtaking. It's literally a rip-off of Scarface. Speaking of which, why don't we talk about the movie? The movie actually has mature themes. Tony Montana is rich and could not give a f*ck about almost anyone, but despite his wealth and fame, he's unhappy. No matter how much money he has, Tony was always a depressed coke addict. Towards the end, he loses his friends, his lover due to his actions, his sister (the only person he cared about hence his overprotective nature of her), and his henchmen. He manages to gun down all of Sosa' men like a badass, but dies due to his boastfulness, getting shotgunned by some assassin. No matter how much money, power, and men he had, he still died like a bitch because of his cockiness and reckless actions. 

 

Now lets compare the movie to the game. Tommy, like Tony, has alot of power and money, but unlike Tony, Tommy prevails in the end. He survives an impossible shootout, and never learns any valuable moral lessons. He never learns to be a better person, and only loses some friend who backstabbed him. He never changes his character and remains a violent kingpin.

 

Its also weird that people will put this game in the mature category, yet leave out SA. No matter how much you whine, cry and complain, SA actually has mature elements. Yes, the game's story is known for being somewhat over-the-top in a few areas, as well as light-hearted at times, yet the game actually puts us in serious situations. From your mother dying, being forced to lead a weak gang, being betrayed by childhood friends, eventually killing said friends, and attempting to resurrect the struggling gang later on, the game isn't afraid to give us sh*tty challenges to face. Look, I'm not trying to act like SA has a tearful and heart-gripping story, but CJ faces far more challenges during the game, not only the ones above. The only times Tommy realizes he's in deep sh*t is when he gets setup at the start, and gets betrayed in the end. Funnily enough, the people who call this game mature also dislike SA.

 

If you think I'm bashing the story, I'm not. Despite it ripping off Scarface, I enjoyed it years ago and still do. The story is flawed, but I still enjoy replaying the game again and again. 

 

If anything, the only GTAs that have a mature theme fully throughout are IV, TLAD, and III. VC, SA and V do have some serious moments, but they really have all-round light-hearted stories.

 

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billiejoearmstrong8

Idk, to me both the movie Scarface and GTA Vice City have mature themes but are also hilarious and full of cheesy 80s material. GTA games are satire/parody and rarely THAT serious. Also it was the early days of games really having proper storylines and characters, game writing just hadn't progressed to the level we see in HD era yet. To me by the standards of GTA and of the time the game came out there's a good amount of fun (which fits the Miami Vice/Scarface style 80s theme and GTA's parody style) but enough maturity and ruthlessness/brutality going on to prevent it becoming ridiculous in the way that SA does at times. They are both quite light hearted games but VC's light hearted stuff just isn't as silly and over the top.

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DirtCheap
4 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Idk, to me both the movie Scarface and GTA Vice City have mature themes but are also hilarious and full of cheesy 80s material. GTA games are satire/parody and rarely THAT serious. Also it was the early days of games really having proper storylines and characters, game writing just hadn't progressed to the level we see in HD era yet. To me by the standards of GTA and of the time the game came out there's a good amount of fun (which fits the Miami Vice/Scarface style 80s theme and GTA's parody style) but enough maturity and ruthlessness/brutality going on to prevent it becoming ridiculous in the way that SA does at times. They are both quite light hearted games but VC's light hearted stuff just isn't as silly and over the top.

 

You mention that you believe VC has mature themes yet you give no examples.

 

Look, I'm not trying to be an asshole, but dude, give examples. I'd actually like it if you did, as it baffles me when people around these forums claim that VC is as gritty as IV. It would actually help if you did give an example, as I'd actually see where these people are coming from when they make those claims about VC.

 

And VC is quite over the top, mind you. Well, basically every GTA has over the top moments, but VC probably has one of the most over the top moments, just not as much as SA.

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18 minutes ago, DirtCheap said:

 

You mention that you believe VC has mature themes yet you give no examples.

 

Look, I'm not trying to be an asshole, but dude, give examples. I'd actually like it if you did, as it baffles me when people around these forums claim that VC is as gritty as IV. It would actually help if you did give an example, as I'd actually see where these people are coming from when they make those claims about VC.

 

And VC is quite over the top, mind you. Well, basically every GTA has over the top moments, but VC probably has one of the most over the top moments, just not as much as SA.

We literally still a Tank in the middle of the street from the military. Or we go kill a bunch of civilians to prove we're "badass" to a biker. Gritty my ass. San Andreas is pretty much the most mature 3D era GTA when you consider the whole scale. 

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Guest Billy Russo

CJ is a better protagonist than most people give him credit for. 

 

I enjoy playing as him, and I liked the way he bounced off of some of the characters. Just because he isn't deep/serious all the time doesn't make him a bad character, but a lot of people really dislike him. I think for the setting that San Andreas was going for, CJ worked fine.

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billiejoearmstrong8
1 hour ago, DirtCheap said:

 

You mention that you believe VC has mature themes yet you give no examples.

 

Look, I'm not trying to be an asshole, but dude, give examples. I'd actually like it if you did, as it baffles me when people around these forums claim that VC is as gritty as IV. It would actually help if you did give an example, as I'd actually see where these people are coming from when they make those claims about VC.

 

And VC is quite over the top, mind you. Well, basically every GTA has over the top moments, but VC probably has one of the most over the top moments, just not as much as SA.

Like I said they're both mostly light hearted so it's hard to put my finger on it. It's in the same way that Scarface has grittiness to it even though it's also over the top, glitzy 80s cheese at the same time. Might just be the types of violence included and the characters. SA (which is also a movie pastiche btw, just early 90s west coast gangsta movies instead of 80s Miami) also has violence and some interesting/serious characters in there of course but it just goes a bit too far into the silly and doesn't have the same "edge" to it somehow, it feels more cartoonish. Just one small example would be that in VC you have a screwdriver, hammer and meat cleaver where in SA you have a giant purple dildo, flowers and a shovel. But it's an overall vibe thing for the most part. It certainly isn't as gritty as IV lol, but it feels more gritty than SA.

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darksats

I enjoy doing yoga a lot.

Gta games does not need a countryside

Cj is a very bad protagonist and many characters in gta sa are bad so gta sa is the worst gta game

Gta is all about driving and shooting.

 

 

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Honestly I find VC way more cartoony. I still can't find any level of gritty-ness in the game. It's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just not gritty. I'd even go as far as saying that even V has darker moments. 

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1 hour ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Like I said they're both mostly light hearted so it's hard to put my finger on it. It's in the same way that Scarface has grittiness to it even though it's also over the top, glitzy 80s cheese at the same time. Might just be the types of violence included and the characters. SA (which is also a movie pastiche btw, just early 90s west coast gangsta movies instead of 80s Miami) also has violence and some interesting/serious characters in there of course but it just goes a bit too far into the silly and doesn't have the same "edge" to it somehow, it feels more cartoonish. Just one small example would be that in VC you have a screwdriver, hammer and meat cleaver where in SA you have a giant purple dildo, flowers and a shovel. But it's an overall vibe thing for the most part. It certainly isn't as gritty as IV lol, but it feels more gritty than SA.

 

I don't necessarily agree with the fact that just because VC is more realistic just because it has a screwdriver, hammer and meat cleaver, and SA doesn't, but at least I can see you're not one of those people who act like VC is as gritty as IV.

 

2 hours ago, TheSantader25 said:

We literally still a Tank in the middle of the street from the military. Or we go kill a bunch of civilians to prove we're "badass" to a biker. Gritty my ass. San Andreas is pretty much the most mature 3D era GTA when you consider the whole scale. 

 

Yeah, it's hilarious that people consider stealing a tank, in broad daylight, in front of the military, realistic, but CJ getting rich quick  is too over the top.

 

Also, people will claim that CJ for burying a foreman alive in his own sh*t for calling Kendl a hooker is stupid (which I'll admit, it kinda is), but ignore the fact that Tommy has to kill innocents just to prove he's "badass" (which is hilariously dumb).  Funny enough, these two missions actually sound like something you'd see in a Saints Row game (1 & 2 most likely).

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18 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said:

Honestly I find VC way more cartoony. I still can't find any level of gritty-ness in the game. It's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just not gritty. I'd even go as far as saying that even V has darker moments. 

They are both cartoony at times but San Andreas takes it to a more absurd level with jetpacks and green goo etc. The thing for me with VC is how (again, like in Scarface) you have some pretty sick violence contrasted with the glitzy atmosphere. Like, killing a chef with his own meat cleaver in an alley, rescuing Lance from being tortured in a scrapyard, executing a guy in the street with a chainsaw. Even though it has some more silly and over the top moments too it's often quite coldly violent with dark humour and that balances it out. Even though San Andreas has violence and serious moments it isn't enough to balance out the huge amount of over the top events and silly humour in the same way.

 

I'm a fan of San Andreas. I just think they went for something different to Vice City with it, and that's a more wacky and over the top "more is more" game with a story more focused on fun and epic scale than any kind of grittiness.

 

 

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People often point out the Jetpack and Green Goo and relate it to the entire game. It's a 100 mission game. It's just those two missions and we all know every GTA has a couple of those.(except for IV. Heck even IV asks you to you take down a chopper with a smoking Jamaican who is a regular criminal firing an RPG) Everything else is normal and even darker than other 3D era titles. 

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darksats

I don't like cj at all. but that does not make san andreas a bad game.

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perennial
1 hour ago, DirtCheap said:

Also, people will claim that CJ for burying a foreman alive in his own sh*t for calling Kendl a hooker is stupid (which I'll admit, it kinda is), but ignore the fact that Tommy has to kill innocents just to prove he's "badass" (which is hilariously dumb).

It's possible to just blow up cars or shoot a car wreck repeatedly to fill the "chaosmeter", there are no canon deaths in Messing With The Man. It still is a really odd mission though.

I agree VC is more light-hearted and SA more grounded than people give them credit for (although I still think VC has a more serious vibe overall).

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billiejoearmstrong8

It's not just the jetpack and green goo. There's a lot more over the top missions (eg the final mission, vertical bird, robbing the casino - compare this to robbing the bank in VC) and comedic missions or missions with heavily comedic elements (eg the gimp suit one, picking up Paul and Maccer, even early on ones like where you rob the house with the colonel sleeping). Even the ones with the sickest violence are too silly and comedic to have as much impact as the more violent missions in VC (eg burying the guy in the port a potty or running people over with the combine harvester). There is much, much more silly humour and a larger number of comedic characters seen throughout the game. VC is also more heavily focused on crime while SA goes anywhere and everywhere. 

 

Like, both games are period pieces which feature a lot of humour and aren't as gritty as III or later games but it blows my mind that anyone would think San Andreas is the less light hearted of the two lol. Some melodramatic moments between the characters in between over the top, wacky and humorous missions in SA doesn't make for a more serious vibe overall compared to the cold, ruthless, crime based story of VC with humour mixed in. The drama/emotion between characters in SA doesn't bring a serious vibe the way it does in IV (or even V) because it's rather cheesy and throwaway. The cold lack of emotion in VC creates a more serious vibe than SA's melodrama.

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I don't get how robbing someone's house is called "silly". I don't get how you count some of the silly stuff in VC as gritty or call some of the gritty stuff in SA "silly". Seems like you're watching the two games with some sort of different magical filter that translates everything differently. The bank job in VC is absolutely silly as well. Just look at the retarded way Hillary dies and as usual Tommy won't give two sh*ts about it. While CJ shows affection even when he kills a piece of sh*t like Smoke. It definitely blows my mind if anyone calls VC grittier than SA. VC is the the most light hearted game in the 3D trilogy. I guess we just have to agree to disagree cause we clearly are seeing these games from completely different perspectives. 

 

In short I'd say SA knows when to be silly and when to be gritty while VC is just non stop all over the place. 

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2 hours ago, perennial said:

It's possible to just blow up cars or shoot a car wreck repeatedly to fill the "chaosmeter", there are no canon deaths in Messing With The Man. It still is a really odd mission though.

I agree VC is more light-hearted and SA more grounded than people give them credit for (although I still think VC has a more serious vibe overall).

 

The mission is timed, so unless someone is fighting tooth and nail to ensure that Tommy isn't killing innocents, I think many would just try and get the mission over and done with. 

 

Glad you agree with me on VC's so called "grittiness".

 

 

1 hour ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

It's not just the jetpack and green goo. There's a lot more over the top missions (eg the final mission, vertical bird, robbing the casino - compare this to robbing the bank in VC) and comedic missions or missions with heavily comedic elements (eg the gimp suit one, picking up Paul and Maccer, even early on ones like where you rob the house with the colonel sleeping). Even the ones with the sickest violence are too silly and comedic to have as much impact as the more violent missions in VC (eg burying the guy in the port a potty or running people over with the combine harvester). There is much, much more silly humour and a larger number of comedic characters seen throughout the game. VC is also more heavily focused on crime while SA goes anywhere and everywhere. 

 

Like, both games are period pieces which feature a lot of humour and aren't as gritty as III or later games but it blows my mind that anyone would think San Andreas is the less light hearted of the two lol. Some melodramatic moments between the characters in between over the top, wacky and humorous missions in SA doesn't make for a more serious vibe overall compared to the cold, ruthless, crime based story of VC with humour mixed in. The drama/emotion between characters in SA doesn't bring a serious vibe the way it does in IV (or even V) because it's rather cheesy and throwaway. The cold lack of emotion in VC creates a more serious vibe than SA's melodrama.

 

VC has alot of over the top missions dude. Like I said, every GTA has an over the top mission, even IV (Truck Hustle as a quick example). Like @TheSantader25 said, "Sir Yes Sir" is a fine example of an over the top mission. Also, lets not forget Phnom Penh 86, one of VC's best yet over the top missions. SA may have Green Goo, which is undeniably over the top, yet like @TheSantader25 said, it would be unfair to judge SA's over 100 missions on that mission alone. Demoliton Man is a horrendous mission, yet imagine if I judged all of VC's missions based on that mission alone.

 

Also, how is robbing a casino bank (which actually had some planning to it, with CJ robbing the casino in the dark, unlike Tommy entering the bank guns blazing) over the top? Tommy just gets some guys he trusts, while CJ gets the layout of the casino, cop bikes (to pretend the crew is a convoy), a van (which not only helped with storing the goods, but also had been resprayed to look like its from Caligula's), banging some worker just to get her pass card, and setting charges at the dam to cause a blackout. Say anything you want about CJ, but that's some fantastic planning.

 

Also, you keep claiming that VC is more serious than SA, but you give me no examples of this seriousness during the story. The gameplay is something else, I'm focusing on the plot.

 

 

2 hours ago, TheSantader25 said:

I don't get how robbing someone's house is called "silly". I don't get how you count some of the silly stuff in VC as gritty or call some of the gritty stuff in SA "silly". Seems like you're watching the two games with some sort of different magical filter that translates everything differently. The bank job in VC is absolutely silly as well. Just look at the retarded way Hillary dies and as usual Tommy won't give two sh*ts about it. While CJ shows affection even when he kills a piece of sh*t like Smoke. It definitely blows my mind if anyone calls VC grittier than SA. VC is the the most light hearted game in the 3D trilogy. I guess we just have to agree to disagree cause we clearly are seeing these games from completely different perspectives. 

 

In short I'd say SA knows when to be silly and when to be gritty while VC is just non stop all over the place. 

 

Exactly. "The Job" is a great mission, yet its so heavily flawed. It took me ages to get that asshole Hillary as a getaway driver, and he dies so stupidly and quickly, yet Tommy doesn't even give a flying f*ck (he never even acts as a  f*cking driver during the mission either!). Compare it to CJ actually planning the heist, getting the right equipment, and being an actual leader for once. Its obvious which mission is better, don't let those SA haters deceive you.

 

Also, you have no idea how right you are about CJ. The guy actually shows compassion, getting upset over killing his childhood friends, despite them being traitorous snakes. Tommy on the hand gives no sh*ts and kills without too many questions. Yes, CJ's may be flawed in some areas (e.g. him being a bitch towards Catalina, despite the badassery shown in LS), but R* tried to make him more human compared to previous protagonists. SA haters always try and act like CJ has no character, but compared to Tommy, he actually gives a sh*t about others. Funnily enough, the same people always put way worse protagonists above CJ (e.g. Toni).

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The plausibility of events makes Vice City more serious and San Andreas more silly to me.

 

The plot of VC goes: Tommy gets sent by Sonny to a drug deal that goes wrong. He establishes connections, finds the hitmen who attacked the deal and meets Lance. Tommy kills the drug kingpin responsible for the attack, takes over his mansion and builds a business empire. Sonny wants his money back, sends his men to collect the debt and later travels to VC himself. Tommy tries to pay back with fake money but Lance betrays him and ruins the plan. In a shootout Tommy kills Lance and Sonny.

 

The plot of SA goes: CJ's mom is murdered and he travels to LS. He gets framed for a murder of a police officer by Tenpenny and must stay to help his brother Sweet's weak gang. CJ learns about people responsible for his mom's murder and the betrayal of his childhood friend Big Smoke. CJ's brother is wounded in a shootout and sent to a prison hospital and CJ is driven out of the city. CJ then:

-participates in bank robberies and races in the countryside

-establishes a chop shop in SF

-takes out a drug syndicate in SF

-does work for an undercover agent in the desert

-manages casinos in LV

-rescues a suicidal rapper and takes over a Vinewood mansion to become his manager

and finally Sweet is released from prison through connections with the undercover agent. CJ decides to return to the hood and helps Sweet again with his gang. He finds and kills Smoke and takes Tenpenny out before he leaves the city.

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2 minutes ago, perennial said:

The plausibility of events makes Vice City more serious and San Andreas more silly to me.

 

The plot of VC goes: Tommy gets sent by Sonny to a drug deal that goes wrong. He establishes connections, finds the hitmen who attacked the deal and meets Lance. Tommy kills the drug kingpin responsible for the attack, takes over his mansion and builds a business empire. Sonny wants his money back, sends his men to collect the debt and later travels to VC himself. Tommy tries to pay back with fake money but Lance betrays him and ruins the plan. In a shootout Tommy kills Lance and Sonny.

 

The plot of SA goes: CJ's mom is murdered and he travels to LS. He gets framed for a murder of a police officer by Tenpenny and must stay to help his brother Sweet's weak gang. CJ learns about people responsible for his mom's murder and the betrayal of his childhood friend Big Smoke. CJ's brother is wounded in a shootout and sent to a prison hospital and CJ is driven out of the city. CJ then:

-participates in bank robberies and races in the countryside

-establishes a chop shop in SF

-takes out a drug syndicate in SF

-does work for an undercover agent in the desert

-manages casinos in LV

-rescues a suicidal rapper and takes over a Vinewood mansion to become his manager

and finally Sweet is released from prison through connections with the undercover agent. CJ decides to return to the hood and helps Sweet again with his gang. He finds and kills Smoke and takes Tenpenny out before he leaves the city.

 

I can see where you're coming from. but you do realise most of the things you mentioned for SA are done in order to get back at CJ's mom's killers, and to get Sweet out of prison? I do feel that yes, the over the top missions don't feel like they're part of the story, but you do realise CJ needs money in order to live right? Going back to LS would be suicide as his gang means nothing there, Smoke controls the streets, with Tenpenny helping him, and also ensuring that if CJ even goes near Smoke, Sweet will be in big trouble. I'm not trying to act like SA is some masterpiece, it's flawed, yet believable in areas.

 

While I do appreciate your answer on why you believe VC is more serious, what I'm looking for is an answer as to why this game is considered "mature" in these forums. As I said in my original post, VC is very light-hearted, so I don't understand why people consider the game's story to be very dramatic, when its really all fun and enjoyable. VC, as said in my original post, is "All fun, no drama", so I don't really understand why people act like its as gritty, mature, and serious as IV.

 

Also, if you want to go to that extent on CJ taking too long to rescue his brother, let's not forget that Tommy has time to work for a pr0n director, help some awful band, rob a bank (for himself), and become a cab driver, all while being indebted to Sonny.

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8 hours ago, DirtCheap said:

I can see where you're coming from. but you do realise most of the things you mentioned for SA are done in order to get back at CJ's mom's killers, and to get Sweet out of prison? I do feel that yes, the over the top missions don't feel like they're part of the story, but you do realise CJ needs money in order to live right? Going back to LS would be suicide as his gang means nothing there, Smoke controls the streets, with Tenpenny helping him, and also ensuring that if CJ even goes near Smoke, Sweet will be in big trouble.

Yeah, CJ works with Catalina for the money to get by, takes out the drug syndicate since it hurts the Ballas and Big Smoke, kills Ryder in the process, works for Toreno to ensure Sweet's safety and possible release, and understandably can't simply return to LS yet. But my synopsis was long enough anyway.

 

The events can maybe also be contributed to the story's overall length, but I think they still at least partly explain people's perception of SA's silliness compared to VC. As to why some people might hold VC to a regard as high as IV with its grittiness, I don't know.

8 hours ago, DirtCheap said:

Also, if you want to go to that extent on CJ taking too long to rescue his brother, let's not forget that Tommy has time to work for a pr0n director, help some awful band, rob a bank (for himself), and become a cab driver, all while being indebted to Sonny.

Tommy didn't really care about Sonny's threats, he did these tasks to build and diversify his business empire instead until Sonny took action. Some are optional too and not necessarily part of the "core story" unlike the parts I mentioned about SA.

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The thing that makes VC's story more comical to me is that Tommy just doesn't encounter any big problems at all during his uprising. The way he goes to the top seems almost like a fairytale. No serious rivals. No problems from the law enforcement. On the other hand the way CJ goes all the way around San Andreas seems to be over the top on paper but the way problems keep happening along the way and CJ has to deal with them makes it more realistic. Also not to mention that SA is a far bigger game. If we had an "OTT per hour" meter VC would beat SA by miles. 

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I think Tommy's ambition pushed him forward and made things look kinda easy, and there's only so much that can fit into a short story. Didn't make the story seem much more comical to me. It seemed to me that CJ more accidentally stumbled upon assets and other possibilities during his multi-city adventure.

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