Why doesn't GTA V have a fun community like GTA IV did back in 200

[MrSaerX]

because from 2008/9 till now is like 5 years. it means that a new generation of frustrated kids hanging around nowdays

[Misanthrope Z]

in other news: i just took a fat sh*t and am out of toilet paper

[Broblab]

Did not read

[MrKush]

Damn. Bad thread is bad

[13dubs13]

GTA IV's community was going strong up until the middle of 2012, it still have an active community, but obviously, with the release of GTA IV, it's not as large as it once was.

 

Fast forward to 2013, October 1st......Since GTA V has came online, there has not been a significant community as there was on GTA IV.....

 

Meaning, back in 2008 and 2009 on GTA IV, there were crews going for Leaderboards, crews going for the best time in Hangmans Noose....Anybody that played GTA IV on the Xbox back in 2008 through 2010 knows what it was like.....

 

We had legendary players that came from GTA IV....Where, as soon as you saw certain people in a Hangmans Noose lobby, you knew you weren't going to get the money. (Yes, I do kind of miss the GameSpikers that I once complained about, back in 2008 and 2009 up until GTA V's release, I despised these players.)

 

Game Spikers, Griefers, or Team Killers..Or just plain assholes...We had them all in GTA IV....GTA V, not so much. Bring back the Trolls from GTA IV!!!

 

Where are all the gamespikers and TeamKillers in GTA V? Where are all the players trying to ruin Rooftop Rumble and Violent Duct? In GTA IV, gamespiking was sort of like it's own cult.....

 

Instead of saving petrovic and flying to the safe zone, these guys would kill petrovic or trick some other player into thinking that there actually is a "Money Glitch"......These are the fun moments on GTA IV which I certainly miss, and wish to recreate in GTA V.

 

You see, GTA IV was pretty basic, regarding it's multiplayer....So players had to actually "create" their own fun and their own experiences.....I find GTA V to be quite boring, when comparing the players of GTA V to some of the more innovative players of GTA IV.

 

What happened to the Xbox player who used to sit in GTA IV NOOSE lobbies all day long and wait until everybody leaves, or what about sitting on the south side building while everybody in the noose game is waiting at the baseball field, just waiting there, for hours, until they finally gave up and left. The original founder of Game Spiking, what happened to him? And his crew for that matter.

 

What about the original Team Killing crews on GTA IV, the founder of the modern-day team killer.....What happened to him, does he not wish to be as creative as he was in GTA IV in GTA V? Or maybe, since rockstar took team killing out of the equation, these inventive and creative players can no longer be as innovative as they were in GTA IV, and hence, they got bored very easy.

 

As unusual as the way these guys played (They played GTA IV the way nobody else played GTA IV at the time. They played the game the way the game WAS NOT meant to be played.....ie, shooting petrovic, making people jump out far into the ocean and swim back, killing their team). These guys were so creative, it was ingenious. It really was a form of genius the way these guys played.

 

This is the main reason why I think GTA V is an EPIC fail....Rockstar took out all the creativity and imagination it takes to have fun in an open-world setting....in GTA IV, we had only each other and ourselves for entertainment...it was up to us.

 

In GTA V...Rockstar TRIES, I emphasize that word tries because they fail at it...They try to give us everything we want at our fingertips and in turn, the GTA V community isn't really a community at all.

 

How many times have you actually jumped into a GTA V lobby and actually recognized any of the random noobs that are in there with you....I'll tell ya how many....NONE, Zero!

 

Whereas in GTA IV, I was guaranteed to see some Legendary and distinguished players....Almost every other lobby I would get in would be someone well-known of popular in the GTA IV community, and you either knew to STAY AWAY from them, or you knew that they were just ranking up on the leaderboards...

 

But either way, their names "rang out" in the GTA community because these players were very popular, so of course, when you see their gamertag on the screen, their names ring a bell, you remember them. And you remember who they are and what they did in the match before.

 

GTA V is severely lacking in this aspect, as in, there are no esteemed or infamous players. No celebrated players on GTA V, no world-renowned players, like there were on GTA IV.....Just random noods, who you probably don't give a sh*t about and is not doing anything special or productive with his time on GTA V.

 

To sum it up, GTA IV players were a lot more productive and resourceful, and definitely more creative than their GTA V counterpart players.

ones EVERYBODY KNEW....I am especially interested in hearing from you guys who knew some of the famous players of GTA IV.

 

These gamespikers, team killers and rebels made significant contributions to the GTA community on the Xbox, and even though, it was frustrating playing with them sometimes...It was still a lot funner than playing GTA V

 

 

RIP, FAMED GTA IV PLAYERS!!!

 

I think the main problem is money as it makes people more focused on getting a sh*t tonne of online cash rather than playing the game OP, it makes the game more like single player. Its sad because everytime you go online, you see most of the people doing their own thing in their apartments or clothes shops, LS customs etc.

 

I used to love the missions in IV. I remember getting the helicopter to transport everyone over (on the petrovic mission) and just as theyre approaching the heli to get in, I'd tip my rotor blades to send them flying ahahaha. Either that or I'd let someone get us a truck or car to transport everyone to the base. During it I'd hold a grenade in the car and wait fort he car to blow up. So much fun.

 

I just loved how involved the game was. And the fact that the airport was always bustling. You'd have so many players in such a small area. I'd love how you'd get mini enemies in the game for a duration of your time in there that you'd end up in little missions to kill over and over. I miss the helicopter battles and trying to get one over on your opponent. Hell I even think the team deathmatches on the game may of been better. It was such an awesome game f*ck. Money has ruined V and its completely different in its own way. V is great, but IV was something special if you enjoyed creativity.

Edited May 9, 2014 by 13dubs13

[ezfaun]

Does anyone remember when everyone would die and respawn with their pistols, shooting everyone who just spawned in sight. Man I used to love running my apc into a group of flashing colorful dots on the radar. It was f*cked up. once you're in it you ain't getting out. I remember being one of the few people who actually used to hide behind cover.

[Fraizer]

This is by far the weirdest post comparing IV to V MP I have ever read.

[am30]

Times have changed dramatically since IV. This game is mainstream now, any kid that recieved a christmas gift has it. you are not going to have the same hardcore players as IV. If you are lucky the fad will run out, and what will be left is a community of players. Unlikely.

 

I would have to agree with this. The sense of misplaced entitlement of the youth of today doesn't help either due to most of them growing up surrounded by instant gratification. In short, most the little sh*ts that play this game are spoilt brats.

[FunkyFreak]

So... You're telling me all that time i was killing my teammates on Bomb Da Base II at the start/middle of the mission to get all the money kills was a thing called game spiking? I thought it was just me being a greedy greg..

Edited May 9, 2014 by LittleB

[RDT33]

Oh yeah, that guy driving backwards in a race the other day was so innovative. He was to GTA what Mozart was to music.........he was basically the Mozart of GTA. Oooooohhhhh, so innovative.

 

And to the person that said, "This game is mainstream now." When has GTA not been mainstream?

The original founder of Game Spiking, what happened to him? And his crew for that matter.

They turned 13 and stopped acting like assh*les.

[lew3112]

So now OP is complaining that there aren't enough griefers in GTA Online?

 

Is there anything people won't moan about?

[JaysonVoorhees]

GTA 4 Stories > GTA 5 stories

GTA 5 Online >>> GTA 4 Online.

 

I have near to 30 days played on GTAO according to my stats and I can always find at least one friendly random whenever I play. It's what keeps me playing, I already have all the money, clothes, cars, ammo and weapons, I like to beef up others in the community too if they're not dickheads.

 

Also I've only seen half a dozen chrome adders in my time and only one guy using the reverse drive by in an Entity.

 

Overall GTAO is way better than I expected it to be (didn't think it would be much better than 4) and the community is surprisingly good. Sometimes you need to approach people on passive mode to get them to trust you but there are definitely a lot of fun randoms to play with.

Edited May 9, 2014 by JaysonVoorhees

[ezfaun]

Trust no one.

[FilthyEsquire]

 

 

Actually I did, and the idea that you want more mission griefers is just sad.

HAHA! So true. I remember those dudes that would do that in GTA IV.... or the ones that HAD to hack on PS3 to have fun. I say good riddance.

 

How many times have I ran into randoms online, and seen't them again? This week since I've been consistent due to school slowing down, everyday!

 

Have I seen people trying to wreck everyones organized fun to get their rocks off? Everyday now it seems there are goofballs in RR rooms. Have I seen tanks on HIGH buildings sniping? Yes.

 

And I'm hardly a DAILY player. I'm barely 130 and have been playing since launch when time permits.

 

 

All of the things TC LOVED about IV's spikers, was the reason I found other games to play when lobbies would never start, or people constantly killed team members. And I never messed with freemode online in IV.... it was boring for the most part unless you found a full room that wanted to RP, then madness ensued.

 

The last time I played GTA IV, I was in a deathmatch with a glitcher, or hacker on PS3, and he turned my head into a GIANT RPG round. Like as big as the whole screen giant! It was then that I decided, I would finally put the game down for good. Cheaters and hackers when it comes to competitive games ruin the experience everytime. Especially if it's unwanted in a public lobby. Cheaters and hackers ruined Skate 3 for me too.

 

 

It seems lately in internet culture these guys/kids with no real friends and strong moral fiber are fully immersed in "Troll" culture. It's sad. I took this Dutch kid off my profile because everytime I join him to help him level, or do fun runs, he is always like in broken english "Doug_Drealer is it time to troll?"

 

This may or may not have been said before, but if you ultimately get a rise out of pestering people minding their own business, and trying to "ruin" someones gaming experience, you really are a sad sack. It goes with the commonly associated saying, misery loves company.

 

 

Sorry for the long read. To cap this off... (Not that it matters an IOTA)

 

Could you imagine a troll with a GREAT job, HOT wife or girlfriend, Engrossed in his actual community, and compassionate with others out and about in town, and hitting the gym hard, and eating healthy?

 

Yeah that person doesn't exist. The troll is how you imagine them, Bitter, not very attractive, and droll.

[13dubs13]

Cliff notes version:

 

1) OP says GTA4 trolls are geniuses

2) OP says if you don't agree or dislike trolls you can't "hang" because you're a pansy/wuss/etc

3) OP is wrong on every level

 

Not everybody wants to be trolled all the time, regardless of what you think is the "right" way to play a game that offers choices other than your supposed "right" way to play.

How is he wrong? I think you're missing the point. People actually mingled on IV is what he is saying. I don't know what kind of sad, takes him self seriously dope can't laugh at a bit of trolling. It shows that people would interact and would try to get on eachothers nerves. What happens if you do get trolled? Well even if you don't laugh and think "What a pr!ck, ill get him back" (Like a regular person) you will still feel a sense of revenge, and that is fun to get.

 

IV offered a unique experience - as OP said, and I think very few but enough of us realise how special that game was. It hit the balance between putting the game in the players hands and not making all the fun obvious, and not doing too little. It made the players the dictators of fun, not showing them "how" to have fun with ranges of cars to buy and customize. Man if i think of the games I made up in IV. I'd act like a suicide bomber by coaxing someone into my car as friends and driving off and detonating. I'd get someone into my heli and fly off to somewhere to trap them as a hostage. I'd get a crew and go to one of the many interiors. The game was legendary and sadly, I don't think we will see its like again. No game online would risk doing that little again as all the mainstream noobs will be unhappy with it, which was what made it awesome.

[FilthyEsquire]

Oh yeah, that guy driving backwards in a race the other day was so innovative. He was to GTA what Mozart was to music.........he was basically the Mozart of GTA. Oooooohhhhh, so innovative.

 

And to the person that said, "This game is mainstream now." When has GTA not been mainstream?

The original founder of Game Spiking, what happened to him? And his crew for that matter.

They turned 13 and stopped acting like assh*les.

When was GTA not mainstream you say? GTA 1-2 and 1969 were not mainstream. Nothing rockstar put out in the late 90's early 2000's was mainstream. Twelve years ago dude. You started with III probably. No crime there. Most on this forum did. Not I though.

 

Cliff notes version:

 

1) OP says GTA4 trolls are geniuses

2) OP says if you don't agree or dislike trolls you can't "hang" because you're a pansy/wuss/etc

3) OP is wrong on every level

 

Not everybody wants to be trolled all the time, regardless of what you think is the "right" way to play a game that offers choices other than your supposed "right" way to play.

How is he wrong? I think you're missing the point. People actually mingled on IV is what he is saying. I don't know what kind of sad, takes him self seriously dope can't laugh at a bit of trolling. It shows that people would interact and would try to get on eachothers nerves. What happens if you do get trolled? Well even if you don't laugh and think "What a pr!ck, ill get him back" (Like a regular person) you will still feel a sense of revenge, and that is fun to get.

 

IV offered a unique experience - as OP said, and I think very few but enough of us realise how special that game was. It hit the balance between putting the game in the players hands and not making all the fun obvious, and not doing too little. It made the players the dictators of fun, not showing them "how" to have fun with ranges of cars to buy and customize. Man if i think of the games I made up in IV. I'd act like a suicide bomber by coaxing someone into my car as friends and driving off and detonating. I'd get someone into my heli and fly off to somewhere to trap them as a hostage. I'd get a crew and go to one of the many interiors. The game was legendary and sadly, I don't think we will see its like again. No game online would risk doing that little again as all the mainstream noobs will be unhappy with it, which was what made it awesome.

 

RPing is something I did in IV as well. The griefers were fine before they started hacking IV... To the point where you couldn't shoot them back, or blow up their cars. All the stuff you say is unique is stuff than can still be done now, but only BETTER. Are we even playing the same game?

 

By the way I do like being trolled. Do I like someone hacking, and modding it out, so I can't kill them back? Do I even have to answer that.

[RDT33]

When was GTA not mainstream you say? GTA 1-2 and 1969 were not mainstream. Nothing rockstar put out in the late 90's early 2000's was mainstream. Twelve years ago dude. You started with III probably. No crime there. Most on this forum did. Not I though.

 

True. The 3D generation really took things to a new level, but to say that this game is what pushed GTA over the mainstream border is ridiculous.

[FilthyEsquire]

 

When was GTA not mainstream you say? GTA 1-2 and 1969 were not mainstream. Nothing rockstar put out in the late 90's early 2000's was mainstream. Twelve years ago dude. You started with III probably. No crime there. Most on this forum did. Not I though.

 

True. The 3D generation really took things to a new level, but to say that this game is what pushed GTA over the mainstream border is ridiculous.

 

It was 3 that made people that didn't even care for the first two games and the expansion take notice. You may or may no believe it, but I booted up three when I got it as a young teen, started playing.... As soon as I found the "Birds eye view" I played until Staunton like that. LOL! Then used the regular view due to dying alot, then I finally learned the city. Every game I play in cinematic for a few hours. It sucks the payphone, and beeper are relics of the past almost... That is how we used to receive missions in III!! I still have my Rockstar beepers somewhere.

[13dubs13]

 

Oh yeah, that guy driving backwards in a race the other day was so innovative. He was to GTA what Mozart was to music.........he was basically the Mozart of GTA. Oooooohhhhh, so innovative.

 

And to the person that said, "This game is mainstream now." When has GTA not been mainstream?

The original founder of Game Spiking, what happened to him? And his crew for that matter.

They turned 13 and stopped acting like assh*les.

When was GTA not mainstream you say? GTA 1-2 and 1969 were not mainstream. Nothing rockstar put out in the late 90's early 2000's was mainstream. Twelve years ago dude. You started with III probably. No crime there. Most on this forum did. Not I though.

 

Cliff notes version:

 

1) OP says GTA4 trolls are geniuses

2) OP says if you don't agree or dislike trolls you can't "hang" because you're a pansy/wuss/etc

3) OP is wrong on every level

 

Not everybody wants to be trolled all the time, regardless of what you think is the "right" way to play a game that offers choices other than your supposed "right" way to play.

How is he wrong? I think you're missing the point. People actually mingled on IV is what he is saying. I don't know what kind of sad, takes him self seriously dope can't laugh at a bit of trolling. It shows that people would interact and would try to get on eachothers nerves. What happens if you do get trolled? Well even if you don't laugh and think "What a pr!ck, ill get him back" (Like a regular person) you will still feel a sense of revenge, and that is fun to get.

 

IV offered a unique experience - as OP said, and I think very few but enough of us realise how special that game was. It hit the balance between putting the game in the players hands and not making all the fun obvious, and not doing too little. It made the players the dictators of fun, not showing them "how" to have fun with ranges of cars to buy and customize. Man if i think of the games I made up in IV. I'd act like a suicide bomber by coaxing someone into my car as friends and driving off and detonating. I'd get someone into my heli and fly off to somewhere to trap them as a hostage. I'd get a crew and go to one of the many interiors. The game was legendary and sadly, I don't think we will see its like again. No game online would risk doing that little again as all the mainstream noobs will be unhappy with it, which was what made it awesome.

 

RPing is something I did in IV as well. The griefers were fine before they started hacking IV... To the point where you couldn't shoot them back, or blow up their cars. All the stuff you say is unique is stuff than can still be done now, but only BETTER. Are we even playing the same game?

 

By the way I do like being trolled. Do I like someone hacking, and modding it out, so I can't kill them back? Do I even have to answer that.

 

 

Is it that available? Honest question, do you play with friends to do the activities I suggested are exclusive to IV? Cus if I'm being totally honest here, I find it extremely hard to find them in V.

 

V is a great game, just poles apart from IV in my opinion which was also a great game.

[BigBiff]

I didn't read his post....but is he basically saying GTA4 was more fun because you just f*cked off the entire time?

[Sugar Free Nos]

This thread gave me cancer.

 

If you're going to go all nostalgic and claim a previous game was better, at least pick an actual contender like Red Dead. GTA IV MP was just bad.

 

Some of the side game modes would be welcome in GTA 5, but the experience as a whole was just underwhelming.

Edited May 9, 2014 by Sugar Free Nos

[FilthyEsquire]

 

 

Oh yeah, that guy driving backwards in a race the other day was so innovative. He was to GTA what Mozart was to music.........he was basically the Mozart of GTA. Oooooohhhhh, so innovative.

 

And to the person that said, "This game is mainstream now." When has GTA not been mainstream?

The original founder of Game Spiking, what happened to him? And his crew for that matter.

They turned 13 and stopped acting like assh*les.

When was GTA not mainstream you say? GTA 1-2 and 1969 were not mainstream. Nothing rockstar put out in the late 90's early 2000's was mainstream. Twelve years ago dude. You started with III probably. No crime there. Most on this forum did. Not I though.

 

Cliff notes version:

 

1) OP says GTA4 trolls are geniuses

2) OP says if you don't agree or dislike trolls you can't "hang" because you're a pansy/wuss/etc

3) OP is wrong on every level

 

Not everybody wants to be trolled all the time, regardless of what you think is the "right" way to play a game that offers choices other than your supposed "right" way to play.

How is he wrong? I think you're missing the point. People actually mingled on IV is what he is saying. I don't know what kind of sad, takes him self seriously dope can't laugh at a bit of trolling. It shows that people would interact and would try to get on eachothers nerves. What happens if you do get trolled? Well even if you don't laugh and think "What a pr!ck, ill get him back" (Like a regular person) you will still feel a sense of revenge, and that is fun to get.

 

IV offered a unique experience - as OP said, and I think very few but enough of us realise how special that game was. It hit the balance between putting the game in the players hands and not making all the fun obvious, and not doing too little. It made the players the dictators of fun, not showing them "how" to have fun with ranges of cars to buy and customize. Man if i think of the games I made up in IV. I'd act like a suicide bomber by coaxing someone into my car as friends and driving off and detonating. I'd get someone into my heli and fly off to somewhere to trap them as a hostage. I'd get a crew and go to one of the many interiors. The game was legendary and sadly, I don't think we will see its like again. No game online would risk doing that little again as all the mainstream noobs will be unhappy with it, which was what made it awesome.

 

RPing is something I did in IV as well. The griefers were fine before they started hacking IV... To the point where you couldn't shoot them back, or blow up their cars. All the stuff you say is unique is stuff than can still be done now, but only BETTER. Are we even playing the same game?

 

By the way I do like being trolled. Do I like someone hacking, and modding it out, so I can't kill them back? Do I even have to answer that.

 

 

Is it that available? Honest question, do you play with friends to do the activities I suggested are exclusive to IV? Cus if I'm being totally honest here, I find it extremely hard to find them in V.

 

V is a great game, just poles apart from IV in my opinion which was also a great game.

 

Not to condescend you but yea. In this game people COMMONLY jump in strangers cars... You can bomb them then. Or ignition bomb. That is one way to troll... The heli trap thing can be done better.... You pick someone up.... Go passive. Put them on a HIGH building. IF they parachute off snipe them. 9 seconds won't be enough for them to get away.... and you will have to have skill. (Something MOST griefers lack.) You and a crew can still go into interiors. I play with an even mix of crew, randoms, and friends. Most of the time random.

 

 

If you are creative in Gran theft auto it's great!

[13dubs13]

 

 

 

Oh yeah, that guy driving backwards in a race the other day was so innovative. He was to GTA what Mozart was to music.........he was basically the Mozart of GTA. Oooooohhhhh, so innovative.

 

And to the person that said, "This game is mainstream now." When has GTA not been mainstream?

The original founder of Game Spiking, what happened to him? And his crew for that matter.

They turned 13 and stopped acting like assh*les.

When was GTA not mainstream you say? GTA 1-2 and 1969 were not mainstream. Nothing rockstar put out in the late 90's early 2000's was mainstream. Twelve years ago dude. You started with III probably. No crime there. Most on this forum did. Not I though.

 

Cliff notes version:

 

1) OP says GTA4 trolls are geniuses

2) OP says if you don't agree or dislike trolls you can't "hang" because you're a pansy/wuss/etc

3) OP is wrong on every level

 

Not everybody wants to be trolled all the time, regardless of what you think is the "right" way to play a game that offers choices other than your supposed "right" way to play.

How is he wrong? I think you're missing the point. People actually mingled on IV is what he is saying. I don't know what kind of sad, takes him self seriously dope can't laugh at a bit of trolling. It shows that people would interact and would try to get on eachothers nerves. What happens if you do get trolled? Well even if you don't laugh and think "What a pr!ck, ill get him back" (Like a regular person) you will still feel a sense of revenge, and that is fun to get.

 

IV offered a unique experience - as OP said, and I think very few but enough of us realise how special that game was. It hit the balance between putting the game in the players hands and not making all the fun obvious, and not doing too little. It made the players the dictators of fun, not showing them "how" to have fun with ranges of cars to buy and customize. Man if i think of the games I made up in IV. I'd act like a suicide bomber by coaxing someone into my car as friends and driving off and detonating. I'd get someone into my heli and fly off to somewhere to trap them as a hostage. I'd get a crew and go to one of the many interiors. The game was legendary and sadly, I don't think we will see its like again. No game online would risk doing that little again as all the mainstream noobs will be unhappy with it, which was what made it awesome.

 

RPing is something I did in IV as well. The griefers were fine before they started hacking IV... To the point where you couldn't shoot them back, or blow up their cars. All the stuff you say is unique is stuff than can still be done now, but only BETTER. Are we even playing the same game?

 

By the way I do like being trolled. Do I like someone hacking, and modding it out, so I can't kill them back? Do I even have to answer that.

 

 

Is it that available? Honest question, do you play with friends to do the activities I suggested are exclusive to IV? Cus if I'm being totally honest here, I find it extremely hard to find them in V.

 

V is a great game, just poles apart from IV in my opinion which was also a great game.

 

Not to condescend you but yea. In this game people COMMONLY jump in strangers cars... You can bomb them then. Or ignition bomb. That is one way to troll... The heli trap thing can be done better.... You pick someone up.... Go passive. Put them on a HIGH building. IF they parachute off snipe them. 9 seconds won't be enough for them to get away.... and you will have to have skill. (Something MOST griefers lack.) You and a crew can still go into interiors. I play with an even mix of crew, randoms, and friends. Most of the time random.

 

 

If you are creative in Gran theft auto it's great!

 

 

Fair do's! I'll give it more of a bash, maybe its the first few months when people were working things out that made me paranoid as I'd get commonly killed if i beeped them to get in my car. I'm a bit more optimistic now!

[Slow Ryders]

GTA IV multiplayer always seemed hacked and had very little to do in my opinion...bring back the narrator/announcer guy from red dead online...

[PG.]

As a die hard GTA fan l agree with OP.

[Aragrox]

The answer to this thread is simple, gta V is a child game. Because of that, you'll never get the same level of competitive gameplay or creativity, at least not with new players.

[ninjaontour]

 

Did not read

I did read it and you made a wise choice

 

 

Motion seconded.

[FilthyEsquire]

As a die hard GTA fan l agree with OP.

 

So you're telling me you've been playing since the FIRST game on PC, and PS1? I doubt it.

[elfoam]

I played gta iv a LOT. The online was rubbish. Unless it changed dramatically since I stopped playing but I played it for several months. Probably at least six months.

 

By the way I've also played every GTA, some not a lot others right through but I've played them all.

Edited May 9, 2014 by elfoam

[FilthyEsquire]

The answer to this thread is simple, gta V is a child game. Because of that, you'll never get the same level of competitive gameplay or creativity, at least not with new players.

MOST people don't play Death matches, and races and the competitive stuff.