flitcroft101 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) Madrid playing the same as under Mourinho? If you've watch them all season you'd see that they play nothing like they did under Mourinho. Just been announced that Zanetti is retiring at the end if the season. Another legend going. I've watched almost every Madrid game this season. It's Mourinho's blueprint with refined additions, i'm not saying Ancelotti hasn't changed anything because he has (team morale for one, more open to youth etc and formation switches) but the blueprint is still typical Mou Madrid tactically. Italians seem to enjoy living in the past instead of the present. History does nothing for your degrading league, history doesn't help Juventus out of the CL group stages for example. I predict a 1-1 tomorrow evening, I think Atletico will advance by the skin. I hope so too because a Madrid derby CL final would be quite the spectacle. Edited April 29, 2014 by flitcroft101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante財閥 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Suppose that settles that then! Does that mean Ancelotti will go to United and use Moyes blueprint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flitcroft101 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Suppose that settles that then! Does that mean Ancelotti will go to United and use Moyes blueprint? there's a huge difference between David Moyes & Jose Mourinho. Mourinho transformed Madrid, they were atrocious when he first arrived and a club with no identity. It took a long time but he finally started to build a Madrid capable of defending and launching the worlds strongest counter attacks (they beat Barcelona twice in his last season) only for him to lose the dressing room and be forced out by the players/media. Mourinho rebuilt Madrid around this defensive counter attacking style, the same style Ancelotti uses but he's refined it. Ancelotti is an excellent manager, he's done a good job in bringing stability back but this team was already built for him, i'm curious how long he will last if Madrid blow the CL final. That's Ancelottis real test imo and his survival probably depends on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante財閥 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I was definitely joking mate lol. I know Ancelotti is more than capable of transforming United again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flitcroft101 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I was definitely joking mate lol. I know Ancelotti is more than capable of transforming United again. I feel bad for any manager who has to put up with that mess. It seems to be a situation similar to Chelsea old guard hating AVB, if the new manager doesn't clear out the old boys he will end up just as f*cked as David Moyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante財閥 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I was definitely joking mate lol. I know Ancelotti is more than capable of transforming United again. I feel bad for any manager who has to put up with that mess. It seems to be a situation similar to Chelsea old guard hating AVB, if the new manager doesn't clear out the old boys he will end up just as f*cked as David Moyes. But the up side is, you can't do any worse than Moyes. It is a no pressure job. Here is 200 mill to spend (rumoured figure) now finish better than 7th. If you can't do that you don't deserve the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rikowski Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Italians seem to enjoy living in the past instead of the present. History does nothing for your degrading league, history doesn't help Juventus out of the CL group stages for example. I'm sorry but I don't see any German, English or French manager in the 4 semifinals this year. But I see 2 Italians. True, I just see one Italian team among the 8 semifinalists but I also see just one English team, one German team and no French ones. So, at the worst, we are on the same level even though right now we invest 1/4 of the money that has been invested in Spain, Germany, France and England top teams. Cause in today's football it's mainly the money that puts you in the position to win. Serie A is certainly not what it used to be, the example that everybody followed after the 80s, 90s and 00s, but it will come back sooner than you think. Main sign of this is that Italian managers have been winning titles all across the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der_Don Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Hala Madrid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireman Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) Bayern just doesn't have a striker. Mandzukic can kiss his ass goodbye once Lewandowski gets transferred, how horrible was he yesterday. The few passes he did get his head though went ABSOLUTELY nowhere. They need someone to shoot on goal, but it seems Guardiola doesn't allow them to. Edited April 30, 2014 by Fireman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLand Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) Bayern just doesn't have a striker. Mandzukic can kiss his ass goodbye once Lewandowski gets transferred, how horrible was he yesterday. The few passes he did get his head though went ABSOLUTELY nowhere. They need someone to shoot on goal, but it seems Guardiola doesn't allow them to. You just answered yourself Guardiola's system sucks, just look at Madrid how effective they are when they get the ball than Bayern. And the same thing goes with FC Barcelona... There is a joke in Spanish that i want to share with you guys: Here is the Joke The other day i was in a Night Club and I was actually talking to a nice girl. We both laughed, we smiled, we stared at each other... I could see that we both were on to something. We spent lot of hours in the club talking and it was fun. An hour later, a friend came over to where we were having a drink, and he started flirting with her and ended up in the bathroom f*cking her. But hey, don't worry, according to Guardiola, i was the real winner because i had the possession during all the night. hahaha Edited April 30, 2014 by SouthLand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non Funkable Token Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) I'm sorry but I don't see any German, English or French manager in the 4 semifinals this year. But I see 2 Italians. Only 1 Italian. Simeone is Argentinian. You just answered yourself Guardiola's system sucks, just look at Madrid how effective they are when they get the ball than Bayern. And the same thing goes with FC Barcelona... There is a joke in Spanish that i want to share with you guys: Here is the Joke The other day i was in a Night Club and I was actually talking to a nice girl. We both laughed, we smiled, we stared at each other... I could see that we both were on to something. We spent lot of hours in the club talking and it was fun. An hour later, a friend came over to where we were having a drink, and he started flirting with her and ended up in the bathroom f*cking her. But hey, don't worry, according to Guardiola, i was the real winner because i had the possession during all the night. hahaha Guardiola's (Cruyff's I think) system sucks, yeah. It just won loads of Spanish and European titles, 1 World Cup and 2 Euros in about 6 years, but meh, who cares? Watching the ball flyng around the whole match is more funny. Stop with that opportunistic crap. Edited April 30, 2014 by Perez84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dice Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Mandzukic is a classic striker, he doesn't fit into Peps system. It's quite painful seeing him getting rotated with the likes of Gotze or Muller. He just doesn't know what to do with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLand Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I'm sorry but I don't see any German, English or French manager in the 4 semifinals this year. But I see 2 Italians. Only 1 Italian. Simeone is Argentinian. You just answered yourself Guardiola's system sucks, just look at Madrid how effective they are when they get the ball than Bayern. And the same thing goes with FC Barcelona... There is a joke in Spanish that i want to share with you guys: Here is the Joke The other day i was in a Night Club and I was actually talking to a nice girl. We both laughed, we smiled, we stared at each other... I could see that we both were on to something. We spent lot of hours in the club talking and it was fun. An hour later, a friend came over to where we were having a drink, and he started flirting with her and ended up in the bathroom f*cking her. But hey, don't worry, according to Guardiola, i was the real winner because i had the possession during all the night. hahaha Guardiola's (Cruyff's I think) system sucks, yeah. It just won loads of Spanish and European titles, 1 World Cup and 2 Euros in about 6 years, but meh, who cares? Watching the ball flyng around the whole match is more funny. Stop with that opportunistic crap. Another FC Barcelona fan in GTAForums Mandzukic is a classic striker, he doesn't fit into Peps system. It's quite painful seeing him getting rotated with the likes of Gotze or Muller. He just doesn't know what to do with him If i was him, i would go to a EPL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti42 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Guardiola's system fitted with Barcelona because he had the right players. (Messi, Ibra, Iniesta, Xavi) At Bayern he doesn't have the right players. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mista J Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Ibra? Is that why he's still there? They wouldn't be in the sh*t they were in if they'd just keep Ibra, but no! Little Leo wanted to play as the striker. They may not show it, but they treat Messi like he's bigger than the club. I bet he had say in bringing Tata to Barca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey. Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Ibra? Is that why he's still there? They wouldn't be in the sh*t they were in if they'd just keep Ibra, but no! Little Leo wanted to play as the striker. They may not show it, but they treat Messi like he's bigger than the club. I bet he had say in bringing Tata to Barca. In the sh*t? Sure because the past four years without Ibra they've only won the 2 La Liga titles, Copa Del Ray, Champions League, World Club Cup plus a few other trophies aswell. Yes Barca haven't been as good this season as they have in the past few years but you can't always be as dominant as they have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rikowski Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I'm sorry but I don't see any German, English or French manager in the 4 semifinals this year. But I see 2 Italians. Only 1 Italian. Simeone is Argentinian. By 4 semifinals I meant the 2 CL semifinals and 2 Europa League ones. So 2 Italian coaches: Ancelotti and Conte. Non Funkable Token 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non Funkable Token Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Another FC Barcelona fan in GTAForums The case is I'm not a Barcelona fan, is not necessary to be one of them to detect pathetic samples of fanboyism like yours. Grab you flag and go root for Spain in June, that ultra defensive loser squad. But first, don't forget to throw away all your hate when Iniesta or Xavi score, don't be THAT pathetic......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I cucked Alex Jones Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Messi refuses to play with strikers equal to his own ability. There's Zlatan, Eto'o, Henry, Villa, some others I can think of at the moment. Plus the reports of him bullying Christian Tello and other Barcelona players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rikowski Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I don't think tiki taka, or as you wanna call Guardiola's (or Barça's, or Crujff's) style, is dead or has become completely ineffective. The effectiveness of that style of footbal also depends on the players and their condition, both physical and psychological. BM has won the German League with many weeks of advance and they won last year CL. It seems to me the adrenaline level just decreased and so it did the hunger for wins. Real Madrid on the other hand is still fighting for the title and very focused on the objective. Sometimes such things make a huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mista J Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Ibra? Is that why he's still there? They wouldn't be in the sh*t they were in if they'd just keep Ibra, but no! Little Leo wanted to play as the striker. They may not show it, but they treat Messi like he's bigger than the club. I bet he had say in bringing Tata to Barca. In the sh*t? Sure because the past four years without Ibra they've only won the 2 La Liga titles, Copa Del Ray, Champions League, World Club Cup plus a few other trophies aswell. Yes Barca haven't been as good this season as they have in the past few years but you can't always be as dominant as they have been. I'm talking about now. They won all of those when teams were still trying to figure out how to stop the tiki taka. How many more goals would Barca score if they actually had a no.9 like Ibra? Especially when they're desperate they throw so many pointless crosses to their players that are 5 foot 7 inches. They limit what they can do attack wise with their play style, and they're too stubborn with tiki taka that they've never got a no.9 and it's moments like this, what they're currently going through that it will haunt them. They need someone to come off of the bench to get crosses thrown at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey. Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Ibra? Is that why he's still there? They wouldn't be in the sh*t they were in if they'd just keep Ibra, but no! Little Leo wanted to play as the striker. They may not show it, but they treat Messi like he's bigger than the club. I bet he had say in bringing Tata to Barca. In the sh*t? Sure because the past four years without Ibra they've only won the 2 La Liga titles, Copa Del Ray, Champions League, World Club Cup plus a few other trophies aswell. Yes Barca haven't been as good this season as they have in the past few years but you can't always be as dominant as they have been. I'm talking about now. They won all of those when teams were still trying to figure out how to stop the tiki taka. Yes you're talking about now but they have only had one bad season. 'Tiki taka' has still won the German league this year and Barca have still had a good season. I dont buy into the fact that 'Tiki taka' is dead and that teams cant win with it anymore. If it turns out that playing this way doesn't win teams anything over a number of years then perhaps I will agree with you more, but as for now Barca and Bayern are still two of the tops teams in Europe playing the way they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mista J Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) Ibra? Is that why he's still there? They wouldn't be in the sh*t they were in if they'd just keep Ibra, but no! Little Leo wanted to play as the striker. They may not show it, but they treat Messi like he's bigger than the club. I bet he had say in bringing Tata to Barca. In the sh*t? Sure because the past four years without Ibra they've only won the 2 La Liga titles, Copa Del Ray, Champions League, World Club Cup plus a few other trophies aswell. Yes Barca haven't been as good this season as they have in the past few years but you can't always be as dominant as they have been. I'm talking about now. They won all of those when teams were still trying to figure out how to stop the tiki taka. Yes you're talking about now but they have only had one bad season. 'Tiki taka' has still won the German league this year and Barca have still had a good season. I dont buy into the fact that 'Tiki taka' is dead and that teams cant win with it anymore. If it turns out that playing this way doesn't win teams anything over a number of years then perhaps I will agree with you more, but as for now Barca and Bayern are still two of the tops teams in Europe playing the way they do.I don't think it's dead, but when you play the same for what, 6 years teams will figure it out. Barca have Messi. That's that spark that pulls them out when they hit a team that sits back. He pulls something magical and manages to seal the game it's happened plenty of times. I don't really watch Bundesliga, but who do Bayern have as competition? The only competition they've have recently is Dortmund and this season half of their team is out injured. Bayern are a fantastic team, but they literally buy the Bundesliga. All the best players go to them and the other teams can do squat. They have a squad and a team as whole where anyone from their team is a guaranteed starter for any team. They're squad is stacked. Bayern practically has two world class Starting 11's. Edited April 30, 2014 by DarthShinobi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Jose names 6 defenders in the starting XI... Hodgey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey. Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Doc Rikowski and I cucked Alex Jones 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flitcroft101 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I expected Atletico de Madrid to take it. I've been watching them all season and they've been absolutely unreal, the evolution from the kun aguero/diego forlan, to the falcao and finally to the costa days has been amazing to see. Europa to CL finals, all under Diego Simeone. Atleti are a very special team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der_Don Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Shoumaker, theadmiral, Hodgey. and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey. Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Der_Don, I cucked Alex Jones, Josh and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hodgey. Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Seems Madrid is probably going to be pretty empty come May 24th. Doc Rikowski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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