...::[The Footy Desk]::... (Part 1)

[Bates_GTA]

Hogg up against Fletcher & Scholesy in the middle

Scholes didn't play. We had the poor man's version out: Michael Carrick.

 

But yeah it was a good perfomance by Villa's youngsters. A good lesson learnt: you can never, ever switch off in a footy match, especially against United.

My bad, Didn't catch all of the game. God knows why i assumed Scholes was playing after watching Carrick on form the other night.

 

 

[Ari Gold]

Even if it is a yellow-card offence, you'd have to be an utter prick to send someone off for a second book-able offence for celebrating with the crowd. Sure, the rules might say that it's correct to send them off, but referees need to develop a bit of compassion and common sense; luckily, most do. I think it's a bit silly to have the rule in the first place, but Young was in a different position to Vidic (he had no previous card). Mind you, if Vidic was sent off for that, I would've entered my Serbian mode and become really defensive of him, and would be in the mindset that they're picking on him 'cause he's Serbian, but luckily normality has prevailed, as it usually does.

 

Still, our luck will eventually run out. Our attacking line was non-existent. Chichawho?

[nerner]

I think it's a bit silly to have the rule in the first place,

Do you know why it was made a rule? It isn't to stop people from sharing joy with the fans but for a variety of reasons:

1. To stop time-wasting.
2. To stop players from causing a riot or disturbance. In a South Amerian country I believe people died in a stampede after a goal was scored. Or something like that.
3. To stop players from deliberately trying to provoke the opposition fans.

[TommyMufc-Champs]

Yeah but when you score an important goal and there thousands of fans going mad, all you want to do Is celebrate with them.

[Ari Gold]

 

I think it's a bit silly to have the rule in the first place,

Do you know why it was made a rule? It isn't to stop people from sharing joy with the fans but for a variety of reasons:

 

To stop time-wasting.

 

To stop players from causing a riot or disturbance. In a South Amerian country I believe people died in a stampede after a goal was scored. Or something like that.

 

To stop players from deliberately trying to provoke the opposition fans.

 

You really think a yellow card is going to curb that? If the player celebrates excessively and actually does waste time, then sure, card him. But in most of the cases where they celebrate with the fans, they're not significantly holding the game from proceeding. At the end of the day, common sense should take precedence over the rules, whether or not they're rules.

[nerner]

 

Yeah but when you score an important goal and there thousands of fans going mad, all you want to do Is celebrate with them.

When someone wrongs you, you may want to hurt them. Same difference, both are illegal and you shouldn't expect compassion. You can stand in front of the fans, just don't jump over the advertising boards, take all of your clothes off and hug them all. I'm not quite sure if footballers have realised that yet.

[Vercetti27]

Get in! Well done Sagna and Fabregas. Fabianski saved us! phew....

[Bates_GTA]

 

I think it's a bit silly to have the rule in the first place,

Do you know why it was made a rule? It isn't to stop people from sharing joy with the fans but for a variety of reasons:

 

 

 

 

 

To stop time-wasting.

 

 

 

To stop players from causing a riot or disturbance. In a South Amerian country I believe people died in a stampede after a goal was scored. Or something like that.

 

 

 

To stop players from deliberately trying to provoke the opposition fans.

 

 

 

You really think a yellow card is going to curb that? If the player celebrates excessively and actually does waste time, then sure, card him. But in most of the cases where they celebrate with the fans, they're not significantly holding the game from proceeding. At the end of the day, common sense should take precedence over the rules, whether or not they're rules.

Point is, it was clearly one rule for United & another for us yesterday. Simple as that. I wouldn't feel an ounce of 'thats a harsh read' because he should have seen Young get a Yellow & reconsidered diving in the crowd.

 

Considering it's not the first time Vidic should have been sent off against us, you can understand my frustration, the last was in the Carling Cup final, which would have us at a goal lead & United being a man short, It may sound like IF's & BUTs, but you can't deny it's true.

Edited November 14, 2010 by Bates_GTA

[Der_Don]

There are some newspapers in Germany saying that Manuel Neuer is going to play for ManU next season. His contract with Schalke ends after the end of the 2011/2012 season, so it could be Schalke's last chance to get money for Neuer after this season (about 20 Mio €). Is van der Sar still playing? Would Neuer be an option for United? I'd rather see him playing in England than in Munich for Fc Bayern...

 

Oh, and Bayern are interested in Bale. Shame he'll never come over. Great player.

[nerner]

That's a goalscoring opportunity Chris. Ivanovic has to go there, no two ways about it.

[Girish]

Oh wow, just when I thought we couldn't get any worse. Absolutely pathetic piece of football from Chelsea. Defense is all over the place. I'd consider ourselves lucky if we can manage to salvage a draw out of this.

 

And yeah, that was a pretty nasty foul by Ivanovic; could have been easily red-carded for it. I still can't believe he had to resort to pushing just to stop Sunderland from scoring.

 

 

Edit: Chelsea 0 - 2 Sunderland

 

Edited November 14, 2010 by girishb

[SIKKS66]

Make it 3. LOVE it

[Girish]

Gutted.

 

 

I'll just pretend this match never happened.

[3minty3]

So this season we had won every game at home and didn't concede a goal. Yet we lose to a team at home who had yet to win an away game this season.

 

I said it before the start of the season and I will say it again. Other than the first team we have average players or young and inexperienced players.

[nerner]

So this season we had won every game at home and didn't concede a goal. Yet we lose to a team at home who had yet to win an away game this season.

 

I said it before the start of the season and I will say it again. Other than the first team we have average players or young and inexperienced players.

Couldn't agree more mate. As much as you all probably hate to accept it, you got complacent with what you once had. And all players get old, Anelka, Drogba and Lampard are no exceptions.

 

What we may have just witnessed was a wake up call for Abramovitch to put his hand back into his pocket and buy wholesale if he wants to ever have a chance of winning the Champions League. Watch this space I suppose.

[LanceVanceDance07]

 

There are some newspapers in Germany saying that Manuel Neuer is going to play for ManU next season. His contract with Schalke ends after the end of the 2011/2012 season, so it could be Schalke's last chance to get money for Neuer after this season (about 20 Mio €). Is van der Sar still playing? Would Neuer be an option for United? I'd rather see him playing in England than in Munich for Fc Bayern...

Personally, I think Manuel Neuer would be a great replacement for Man United when Van Der Sar retires. He's a proven goalkeeper (I think he's Germany's #1 keeper, right?). Though if United don't get a keeper in the near future, I would like to see Kuszchak hop in as the permanent replacement to VDS.

 

Heard that Chelsea lost at home to Sunderland, f*ckin awesome.

[TommyMufc-Champs]

Get In there Sunderland! 3-0 Brilliant

[SIKKS66]

So many candidates for VDS replacement but I seriously think Koo-shack should get a fair chance. I can't remember when he last put in a bad performance when given the gloves and he's been patient and loyal on the bench. He might not be "World Class" or whatever but I think he has the potential to step up another level. I wouldn't like to see the manager go out and blow a load of cash on someone like Neuer, De Gea or Akinfeev when we obviously have so little money in the transfer coffers these days. Need to save as much cash as possible for the Schweinsteiger deal!

[Mand'alor]

At least that draw yesterday has managed to gain us ground on Chelski. Sunderland were brilliant today, especially Welbeck, Zenden, Henderson and Gyan.

[Der_Don]

Need to save as much cash as possible for the Schweinsteiger deal!

Not going to happen, as he'll most likely sign a new contract with Bayern til at least 2015.

[SIKKS66]

Well, a guy can dream can't he? All I'm saying is Scholes is being relied on far too much and he can't be counted on in the long term (nor can Giggsy). Carrick is starting to frustrate me; sure he's "safe" but I wouldn't call him exceptional going forward or defensively. I've pretty much given up on Hargo ever coming back and being the force he was (hope I'm wrong, however) so United need to get themselves a new, international-class midfielder to put alongside Fletch and the youngsters Anderson and Gibbo. The prospect of Schweinsteiger pairing up with Fletch with the two young ones in reserve is immense tbh. We need to jump on the Bast-ard now while his future at Bayern is still in doubt.

[Der_Don]

Well, a guy can dream can't he? All I'm saying is Scholes is being relied on far too much and he can't be counted on in the long term (nor can Giggsy). Carrick is starting to frustrate me; sure he's "safe" but I wouldn't call him exceptional going forward or defensively. I've pretty much given up on Hargo ever coming back and being the force he was (hope I'm wrong, however) so United need to get themselves a new, international-class midfielder to put alongside Fletch and the youngsters Anderson and Gibbo. The prospect of Schweinsteiger pairing up with Fletch with the two young ones in reserve is immense tbh. We need to jump on the Bast-ard now while his future at Bayern is still in doubt.

Please, dream as much as you want

But we'll see. I hope he stays in Munich. And I'm 99 % sure that he's going to stay. But you never know.

[arsenal_fan]

Good weekend for us

 

 

Now its international friendlies time, hooray

[Ari Gold]

I think it's a bit silly to have the rule in the first place,

Do you know why it was made a rule? It isn't to stop people from sharing joy with the fans but for a variety of reasons:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To stop time-wasting.

 

 

 

 

To stop players from causing a riot or disturbance. In a South Amerian country I believe people died in a stampede after a goal was scored. Or something like that.

 

 

 

 

To stop players from deliberately trying to provoke the opposition fans.

 

 

 

 

You really think a yellow card is going to curb that? If the player celebrates excessively and actually does waste time, then sure, card him. But in most of the cases where they celebrate with the fans, they're not significantly holding the game from proceeding. At the end of the day, common sense should take precedence over the rules, whether or not they're rules.

Point is, it was clearly one rule for United & another for us yesterday. Simple as that. I wouldn't feel an ounce of 'thats a harsh read' because he should have seen Young get a Yellow & reconsidered diving in the crowd.

 

Considering it's not the first time Vidic should have been sent off against us, you can understand my frustration, the last was in the Carling Cup final, which would have us at a goal lead & United being a man short, It may sound like IF's & BUTs, but you can't deny it's true.

As I said before, do you think it's right to actually send someone off because of a crowd celebration? The referee has to use discretion and COMMON SENSE in handing out cautions, and understand that if someone is already on a yellow card and is committing a possible book-able offence that that second offence is malicious enough to warrant a send-off. If Young already had a yellow card, he would not have received a yellow card for his card celebration, I guarantee it. If he had, well, we can't know, can't we? But, the referee has actually used a bit of discretion in realising that, well... it's f*cking stupid to send someone off for two yellow cards when the second book-able offence is crowd celebration! You can't compare that to him sliding in maliciously on someone and giving away a foul! They're two different things!

[Bates_GTA]

Maybe Vidic should have used abit of COMMON SENSE when he saw Young get his Yellow card & thought i better not do that just in-case, He didn't even have a word with him. I wouldn't usually make a deal out of it, but it's not the first time Vidic has gotten away with sh*t against us, Trust me if it was your team, you'd be saying the same.

[nerner]

As I said before, do you think it's right to actually send someone off because of a crowd celebration? The referee has to use discretion and COMMON SENSE in handing out cautions, and understand that if someone is already on a yellow card and is committing a possible book-able offence that that second offence is malicious enough to warrant a send-off. If Young already had a yellow card, he would not have received a yellow card for his card celebration, I guarantee it. If he had, well, we can't know, can't we? But, the referee has actually used a bit of discretion in realising that, well... it's f*cking stupid to send someone off for two yellow cards when the second book-able offence is crowd celebration! You can't compare that to him sliding in maliciously on someone and giving away a foul! They're two different things!

Course he should have received a second yellow card. We can't just change the rules because he was stupid enough to get booked earlier. Being honest I think that the referee didn't book him because he didn't really make an attempt to celebrate with the crowd. He was pushed from behind into the crowd by the weight of teammates behind him, you'll see it on the replay. Whereas Young actively jumped over a barrier. If the referee did use common sense it was in that way rather than actively changing the rules in order to suit the player who was already booked. Saying that there should be different rules for people with different disciplinary tendencies is just absurd really.

[Brown Sugar]

Maybe Vidic should have used abit of COMMON SENSE when he saw Young get his Yellow card & thought i better not do that just in-case, He didn't even have a word with him. I wouldn't usually make a deal out of it, but it's not the first time Vidic has gotten away with sh*t against us, Trust me if it was your team, you'd be saying the same.

it's also the fact that young did get a yellow card, just because vidic was already on a yellow card shouldn't make it any different, it might seem silly to send someone off for that but he obviously already knew one more mistake would result in a red card

[SIKKS66]

More than anything else, you just want refs to be consitent don't you. Not even Sir Alex could complain if refs were consistent and treated every team fairly.

 

Seriously think football has a lot of catching up to do with other sports with regards to officiating. I've been watching NFL a lot this season and the challenge system is something they really need in football. Like, each manager gets one challenge per half where they can ask for a moment (ball over a line, handballs etc) to be reviewed by a video ref. They have something similar in rugby too. It wouldn't stop the flow of the game at all because it can take a matter of seconds to check a replay.

 

If nothing else atleast it would shut up the moaners in the press and on forums

Edited November 15, 2010 by SIKKS66

[Doink]

I know I'm gonna be alone with this seeing as most of this is EPL talk, but I am absolutely stoked because my FC Dallas just booked their trip to their first MLS Cup. Knocked LA out 3-0 in their stadium. I've never seen a stadium get empty so quickly lol.

[Max]

I know I'm gonna be alone with this seeing as most of this is EPL talk, but I am absolutely stoked because my FC Dallas just booked their trip to their first MLS Cup. Knocked LA out 3-0 in their stadium. I've never seen a stadium get empty so quickly lol.

You should see the Dave Whelan stadium empty as soon as a football game starts!

 

On another note. West Ham are f*cked this year. I submit to all abuse you want to throw at me.