TDM suck, why not balanced teams?

[BJMartin]

I'm so sick of playing TDM and the teams are never equal! I don't know how the teams get split, but R* it's NOT doing it right when it comes to this.

 

For example, suposse this is a 3 vs 3 TDM, and the guys playing have this levels. +100, +100, 20, 89 75 and 10.

 

The game should be +100, 89 and 10 vs +100, 75, and 20. But in the end the teams end up being totally unbalanced.

 

For R* +100, +100 and 75 vs 89, 10 and 20 it's a fair game. wtf? I don't understand why this happens. I don't care playing with low levels on my team, but I DO FCKING CARE WHEN EVERYBODY ON MY TEAM IT'S A LOW LEVEL! and it's even worse because everybody on their team it's a high level.

 

In the end, of course, we lose. It's not those guys fault, they only have a couple weapons, and recently started playing.. but seriously, teams should be equal when playing TDM.

[Xyn]

You'll bitch to anything, won't you?

Old news, btw. Everyone & their mothers know the matchmaking system is a gamble. Being a low level isn't such a big disadvantage now either ways; you've got the Special Carbine and other powered weapons.

 

However, something makes me think that the matchmaking uses K/D ratios & W/L records instead of Rank when teaming up people for DM's..since I've seen a lot of seemingly "outnumbered" teams beat the odds & come out on top smelling like a rose.

Edited April 10, 2014 by Xyn

[Staten]

Maybe team balancing is skill based rather than level? You better hope so, with all those level-1000's with no skills hanging about.

[livejoker]

Agreed. It's not an issue if you got Forced Weapons On (unless the low levels are actual new players) but when they got a full arsenal of weapons, it's not fair for the other guys stuck with one SMG that's got 40 bullets. I'm level 143 and I'm up against lower levels which I don't mind having on my team, especially if the other team has level 600+, I know they suck. But when it's level 187 and a friend in the same crew, I know It's going to be tough...

[Xyn]

it's not fair for the other guys stuck with one SMG that's got 40 bullets.

Them's the brakes when it comes to being a low-level. Besides, I've never seen a low-level use an SMG anymore since February; they have the Special Carbine or the Tommy Gun now.

[A Parked Car]

I think team balancing is based on number of people and not their levels.

[B3astGTS]

Unfortunately that the default for most matches isn't forced and pickups. If it's made the default (or even better if they just remove owned weapons from competitive modes entirely) then rank won't matter.

[Ayylien]

Unfortunately that the default for most matches isn't forced and pickups.

 

Have you tried deathmatches since 1.12? It's virtually impossible to get a 'owned + pick-ups' match now. Every match is pretty much forced weapons.

 

Forced weapon matches suck, it's always the same, people just camping next to the good weapons, and you can't do anything about because you don't have the weapons to deal with people who camp.

 

And yes, the matchmaking is screwed. It's always been bad, I don't know if I'm just unlucky, but 1.12 has seemingly made it worse for me.

 

Deathmatches were the thing I enjoyed the most, but 1.12 has completely ruined them with these issues and the constant freezing.

[Lay]

Could it be crew?

 

I played paintball earlier all my team were under 80 rank, the opposition were all over 150. I noticed they were all in the same crew and put it down to that.

 

We won though, some level 12 had crazy amount of kills

[Sushi__Wolf]

I don't mind, everyone enjoys a challenge... Almost everyone..

[G37]

For some time now TDM has never actually balanced crews. Even if it's a 4v4 with 2 crews only, it will hardly ever match up. Yet alone if theres 4 crews in a 4v4 and 2 of the participants are on the same crew; it won't even match up there.

 

I also notice that if the majority of the players are for example 120+ and the minority are <35, it will always put me on the team least likely to win .

 

I.E. 8 players: 15, 20, 25, 100, 120, 150, 200, 373 (me). 9/10 times it will look like this: 15, 20, 25, 373 vs 100, 120, 150, 200. And if I had a crew member or two of mine involved? Yep, won't pair me with them. If the number of players was odd, it'd keep the same structure as I listed above however I'd be with the 15 and 20 for example vs the rest.

 

I'm not sure if this is some terrible way to "balance" the teams or not, but it's terribly annoying. It seems to take into consideration: rank > skill/KD > crew > friends when deciding how to arrange the teams. The Special Carbine helps matters, especially the lower ranks but it only goes so far. Weapon availability certainly plays a part in how a DM will unfold. Again, I'm talking about extremes here in terms of ranks. Beyond 120 is irrelevant but still, it's annoying having to "babysit" the lessers who may be brand new and just little access to anything to help out the team.

 

Matchmaking and balancing are absolutely terrible in this game. I'm tired of matches like I illustrated because in 99.9% of those cases it's that extreme and I'm better off doing 1 vs 4. That way I at least only have to worry about myself getting killed.

Edited April 10, 2014 by G37

[UchihaRingo]

 

Unfortunately that the default for most matches isn't forced and pickups.

 

Have you tried deathmatches since 1.12? It's virtually impossible to get a 'owned + pick-ups' match now. Every match is pretty much forced weapons.

 

Forced weapon matches suck, it's always the same, people just camping next to the good weapons, and you can't do anything about because you don't have the weapons to deal with people who camp.

 

And yes, the matchmaking is screwed. It's always been bad, I don't know if I'm just unlucky, but 1.12 has seemingly made it worse for me.

 

Deathmatches were the thing I enjoyed the most, but 1.12 has completely ruined them with these issues and the constant freezing.

 

This is why I don't play TDM or DM and I made the mistake of doing so once since Biohazard invited me to one. They had forced guns on and people were abusing the hell out of them. If I want to play TDM I will load up a shooter like Battlefield or something. Truly sad the way they camp weapons as well.

Edited April 10, 2014 by UchihaRingo

[Con9mm]

That's why I like the new option to see players that have joined the lobby.

I don't even go by rankings as I focus on the K/D ratio.

Just earlier tonight a rank 400 was in the lobby but his ratio was a meager .07 or something like that and a rank 25 was 1.2, so guess who I looked for once the teams were announced? Damn right, the rank 25 guy.

So while my theory is not conclusive by any means, it does make me feel better to be able to peek at the K/D Ratios.

If I get time then I also try and see their Win/Loss record that flashes in front of their character. It tells me how experienced they are and perhaps gives me a heads up about their map knowledge.

Sorry for the wall-o-text, I get hype when talking about Deathmatches.

[spawnkiller187]

Your rank doesn't mean youre good at DM. Some people grind races etc to rank up. So maybe you could stop sucking n complaining... man up n carry Ur team if necessary. As for just starting and have fewer weapons.. those dlc rifles are pretty strong so refer to my previous suggestion.. man up stop crying mamas boy.

[Con9mm]

I have had luck joining owned and pickup DMs the last two days. I think today I was sent to a pump shotgun forced match just once tonight, which I didn't even begin.

I was sent to a few unarmed matches but as long it wasn't Prison Thugz Fight three times in a row, I happily waited through the load screens as I quit them before they could begin.

 

The only time I complain about poor matchmaking is when I get put on a team where I'm the only 100+ and the other team gets an awesome group but I realize that just because I was once a Rank 30 it didn't mean I had to play like one and some players enter DM's and have no clue about the dynamics of taking cover and not going Rambo cause they were shot in the head.

Edited April 10, 2014 by Day Reaper