I'm curious - why the hate for cashcards?

[KimberJane]

Well today seems to be a break from the 'get rid of tanks' threads, and now the 'cash cards are evil' threads seem to be the most popular starting.

 

My question is why are people so anti cash cards? Afterall they don't influence your time playing the game at all if you choose not to buy them.

 

With GTA online do you realize how many man hours and years must of gone into developing the game to what we have now, must of cost millions to code, produce etc, get working so that the interaction we have each day is possible.

 

Everyone is crying out for future DLC all the time, and we seem to be getting bits and bobs every month - that stuff doesn't come free to produce either.

 

So that is why cashcards are for sale, they are not compulsory, you do not have to buy one if you don't want one, but the fact there is so much hate for cashcards that really surprises me.

 

Rockstar is a business afterall and businesses like to make money, and they're giving you the choice whether you play for free or not.

 

If you want in game money then work hard for it as in real life, or take out a loan (in this case a cashcard). How you live life online is your call - work hard or get some loans. Simple.

 

Yes, some things are expensive in game, but still affordable if you want to play the game and never buy cashcards, it's just you will have to work for them, just in real life, in some cases work really hard, but that is just the way of the world in general, so hating on Rockstar for making you work hard to afford item then that's just stupid.

Edited April 9, 2014 by KimberJane

[Odesza]

Because as shown in the other thread people don't even understand the point and function of micro transactions in the context of this game, and instead will try to compare it to completely different forms of micro transactions and situations.

 

tl;dr this forum is full of naive whining idiots.

Edited April 9, 2014 by Odesza

[Zoots Remuvah]

 

 

tl;dr this forum is full of naive whining idiots.

 

 

This multiplied expotentially tbh...

[Shootinalloveryourface]

If you're so curious why not check out all the threads you referred to.

[Synophrys]

People who complain about cash cards generally can't afford them. That's why.

[UchihaRingo]

Because these dick faces are bored and want to rage at something that they knew will get views. I bet if everyone said f*ck it and stopped caring about Cash Cards they would use misleading titles just to get views on their threads. I honestly believe it is based of an attention thing. I see more Cash Card threads than "How to make the game better/more fun" threads and even if you see one thread trying to push ideas to make the game better? "OH MY GAWD THAT IS SOOO DUMB THAT IS SO FUKKIN LAME! THIS IS GTA BROOOO WE DON'T NEED THAT!" I feel like R* isn't listing to those that bitch so they come here and spam the forums with Cash card conspiracy theories and other senseless bs.

Edited April 9, 2014 by UchihaRingo

[Choppers]

Because people always need something to bitch about.

[Jimrod]

I think the basic summary of it is that for some reason GTA 5 seems to have low financial reward for most things (especially when ammo costs etc factored in) and very high costs - $15,000 for a mask? Paint? Tattoo? etc. As well as having to buy all the best cars rather than steal them so the logical conclusion for many is that the introduction of purchasable Cashcards are the reason for this. Tanks are allowed to run free while all means to stop them are nerfed resulting in many insurance bills, replaying the missions with good rewards is intentionally targetted and hampered. Seems all things point to Rockstar not wanting people to get rich easily, unless paying real money for it. So nothing to do with time played or experience either as the real cash would still get you those things instantly...

[sportbikepilot369]

I have no hate for cash cards/Rockstar making a profit. What I have a problem with is Rockstar sh*tting all over the casual gamer that doesn't have hours a day to grind for cash, nerfing payouts, and other tactics that seem by design to increase cash card sales. I get it, producing DLC costs money. I wouldn't bitch if the DLC wasn't pointless window dressing like new clothes and cars. I'm waiting for a working casino and others are waiting for heists. That's why I haven't bought a cash card, no worthwhile DLC. Just like with "illegal" music file sharing. If I DLed you music and liked it, I bought a copy to support you and hopefully fund new projects from you. If it sucked I deleted your sh*t song and never wasted a dime. I already bought the game for full price, and until I get DLC I like I'm not spending another penny. I'm not going to shell out more money for something I have no idea if we are even going to get (a working casino), when we will get it or if it will even be worth it. Give m a working casino that is fun and I'll buy a cash card to reward Rockstar for the effort.

[Malibu454]

Inb4 this thread goes nowhere for 15 pages, flames erupt and it gets locked.

Insert beating of Dead Horse here vv

Edited April 9, 2014 by Malibu454

[JohnGazman]

People who complain about cash cards generally can't afford them. That's why.

 

Or ethey assume that they should be handed everything on a silver plate, because they're precious little snowflake and it's beyond belief that they might have to work for money.

 

Or they just think they should be able to cheat.

[xInfamousRYANx]

I have no hate for cash cards/Rockstar making a profit. What I have a problem with is Rockstar sh*tting all over the casual gamer that doesn't have hours a day to grind for cash, nerfing payouts, and other tactics that seem by design to increase cash card sales. I get it, producing DLC costs money. I wouldn't bitch if the DLC wasn't pointless window dressing like new clothes and cars. I'm waiting for a working casino and others are waiting for heists. That's why I haven't bought a cash card, no worthwhile DLC. Just like with "illegal" music file sharing. If I DLed you music and liked it, I bought a copy to support you and hopefully fund new projects from you. If it sucked I deleted your sh*t song and never wasted a dime. I already bought the game for full price, and until I get DLC I like I'm not spending another penny. I'm not going to shell out more money for something I have no idea if we are even going to get (a working casino), when we will get it or if it will even be worth it. Give m a working casino that is fun and I'll buy a cash card to reward Rockstar for the effort.

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[KimberJane]

Fair enough SportBikePilot, I can understand that, the more casual gamer does struggle I guess in terms of affluence. But take my wealth for example, it's around $4.5m, I have made around $2.5m of that since February without farming and only playing roughly 3-4 hours a day, 5 or 6 at weekends if I am lucky. (I too cannot be on my xbox all day).

Some things are stupidly over priced but then also some things are rather under priced.

[BigBiff]

 

I have no hate for cash cards/Rockstar making a profit. What I have a problem with is Rockstar sh*tting all over the casual gamer that doesn't have hours a day to grind for cash, nerfing payouts, and other tactics that seem by design to increase cash card sales. I get it, producing DLC costs money. I wouldn't bitch if the DLC wasn't pointless window dressing like new clothes and cars. I'm waiting for a working casino and others are waiting for heists. That's why I haven't bought a cash card, no worthwhile DLC. Just like with "illegal" music file sharing. If I DLed you music and liked it, I bought a copy to support you and hopefully fund new projects from you. If it sucked I deleted your sh*t song and never wasted a dime. I already bought the game for full price, and until I get DLC I like I'm not spending another penny. I'm not going to shell out more money for something I have no idea if we are even going to get (a working casino), when we will get it or if it will even be worth it. Give m a working casino that is fun and I'll buy a cash card to reward Rockstar for the effort.

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This what? That they want to reward those who put in time? Why does every game need to be geared towards the casual gamer?

 

This "I want it now and I'm not working for it" generational stereotype is incredibly true....trouble with his story of buying pirated music is that he's one of the few. I also guarantee he did not do this with every downloaded song he liked. So, majority of the people got music for free and kept it. So, instead of making him the rule, lets call him what he's part of on that...the minority.

Here;s the thing about not spending another cent, Rockstar never said you have to. Isn't it funny how that works?

Edited April 9, 2014 by BigBiff

[MykelDego]

Because as shown in the other thread people don't even understand the point and function of micro transactions in the context of this game, and instead will try to compare it to completely different forms of micro transactions and situations.

 

tl;dr this forum is full of naive whining idiots.

[Euphorica]

Cash cards or micro transactions in general change the way developers now develop their games. That's the main concern.

Unless you lived under a rock for the last few years you have noticed how the majority of games produced and developed today are from a micro transaction or business perspective.

 

You might not have a problem with cash cards in GTAO but that's because you are playing a GTAO with micro transactions.

Take the cash cards out of the equation from before the game was developed and you would have a different GTAO.

A game that would have been developed more from a gamer perspective and not so much from a business perspective, if any.

[Jimrod]

Inb4 this thread goes nowhere for 15 pages, flames erupt and it gets locked.

Insert beating of Dead Horse here vv

 

And comments like yours really help with that. So many people post in threads complaining about the thread, rather than not opening the f*cking thread in the first place. I think it's an actual attention disorder of some kind...

[LPGTAO]

I have earned millions playing legit. There is no need to buy cash cards. They're just there as a convenience for some people. Really no big deal IMO.

[xInfamousRYANx]

To the casual gamer cash cards are evil because nerfing payouts caters to those with lpts of time. Those that can earn everything by grinding. With only around 8 to 10 hrs free a week I dont really want to waste my time grinding in a game its a chore. So people say well casuals can buy cc. Well no sh*t but it shouldn't be that way

[BigBiff]

To the casual gamer cash cards are evil because nerfing payouts caters to those with lpts of time. Those that can earn everything by grinding. With only around 8 to 10 hrs free a week I dont really want to waste my time grinding in a game its a chore. So people say well casuals can buy cc. Well no sh*t but it shouldn't be that way

 

Why does this game have to be geared to a casual gamer?

[Odesza]

To the casual gamer cash cards are evil because nerfing payouts caters to those with lpts of time. Those that can earn everything by grinding. With only around 8 to 10 hrs free a week I dont really want to waste my time grinding in a game its a chore. So people say well casuals can buy cc. Well no sh*t but it shouldn't be that way

And what did they do after nerfing payouts and removing the replay function? Oh yeah they added it so that you can start any mission from the start menu.

 

Also why should this game cater to you not wanting to put in any effort in a video game.

Edited April 9, 2014 by Odesza

[Jimrod]

 

 

I have no hate for cash cards/Rockstar making a profit. What I have a problem with is Rockstar sh*tting all over the casual gamer that doesn't have hours a day to grind for cash, nerfing payouts, and other tactics that seem by design to increase cash card sales. I get it, producing DLC costs money. I wouldn't bitch if the DLC wasn't pointless window dressing like new clothes and cars. I'm waiting for a working casino and others are waiting for heists. That's why I haven't bought a cash card, no worthwhile DLC. Just like with "illegal" music file sharing. If I DLed you music and liked it, I bought a copy to support you and hopefully fund new projects from you. If it sucked I deleted your sh*t song and never wasted a dime. I already bought the game for full price, and until I get DLC I like I'm not spending another penny. I'm not going to shell out more money for something I have no idea if we are even going to get (a working casino), when we will get it or if it will even be worth it. Give m a working casino that is fun and I'll buy a cash card to reward Rockstar for the effort.

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This what? That they want to reward those who put in time? Why does every game need to be geared towards the casual gamer?

 

This "I want it now and I'm not working for it" generational stereotype is incredibly true....

 

 

 

You're contradicting yourself - you seem upset that people are unhappy about having to grind for everything and should instead earn it. But this post is against Cashcards, indicating that you would be in favour of them? Which surely is an even easier way of getting something for no time put in at all. Buying a Cashcard is faster and greater reward than any glitch and therefore the least work for reward. I don't get the contradictions in these threads...

[JohnGazman]

Just like with "illegal" music file sharing. If I DLed you music and liked it, I bought a copy to support you and hopefully fund new projects from you. If it sucked I deleted your sh*t song and never wasted a dime.

 

Greatest post ever. Illegal in quotation marks, as if there's some sort of debate about the legality of stealing music.

 

To the casual gamer cash cards are evil

 

 

Truly, they are evil [/sarcasm]

 

Remind me again how doing RR in less than two minutes for 18k is inconvienient to the casual gamer? Is the casual gamer so casual that two minutes of effort is too much for him? Would the casual gamer prefer it if the game just played itself?

Edited April 9, 2014 by JohnGazman

[LogScottWood]

I've said it before and i'll say it again. Cashcards are the gay marriage of the Grand Theft Auto community. It doesn't affect anyone in any way, but you can bet your bottom dollar someone will get pissy about it.

[Xavierr]

Because the struggle is real.

[blk95ta]

Ok answer me this. If cash cards didn't exist, do you think job payouts would be higher and costs of items would be lower? I do. That's what annoys people about cash cards. No they aren't required but their use is strongly encouraged by having items cost more while missions pay less. That's what annoys people about cash cards. They change the way the game is played by making not buying them require an excessive amount of grinding just to afford things.

Edited April 9, 2014 by blk95ta

[sportbikepilot369]

 

 

I have no hate for cash cards/Rockstar making a profit. What I have a problem with is Rockstar sh*tting all over the casual gamer that doesn't have hours a day to grind for cash, nerfing payouts, and other tactics that seem by design to increase cash card sales. I get it, producing DLC costs money. I wouldn't bitch if the DLC wasn't pointless window dressing like new clothes and cars. I'm waiting for a working casino and others are waiting for heists. That's why I haven't bought a cash card, no worthwhile DLC. Just like with "illegal" music file sharing. If I DLed you music and liked it, I bought a copy to support you and hopefully fund new projects from you. If it sucked I deleted your sh*t song and never wasted a dime. I already bought the game for full price, and until I get DLC I like I'm not spending another penny. I'm not going to shell out more money for something I have no idea if we are even going to get (a working casino), when we will get it or if it will even be worth it. Give m a working casino that is fun and I'll buy a cash card to reward Rockstar for the effort.

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This what? That they want to reward those who put in time? Why does every game need to be geared towards the casual gamer?

 

This "I want it now and I'm not working for it" generational stereotype is incredibly true....

 

I don't want it now. I've put in plenty of time and earned plenty of "legitimate" cash. So far I gave paid for what I've got. I paid full price for the game and of all the DLC I bought the Turizmo R, and the weapons. The new clothes? Didn't care, not worth buy. The new weapons were basically new skins for the guns we already had. So far I have not received DLC i cared about. So I haven't bought a cash cards. I'm not going to throw more money at Rockstar and then hope and pray hey get around someday to adding a working casino, and further hope it doesn't completely suck. Give me the casino, I'll give Rockstar more money. Don't pressure me to give them the money first.

[BigBiff]

 

 

 

I have no hate for cash cards/Rockstar making a profit. What I have a problem with is Rockstar sh*tting all over the casual gamer that doesn't have hours a day to grind for cash, nerfing payouts, and other tactics that seem by design to increase cash card sales. I get it, producing DLC costs money. I wouldn't bitch if the DLC wasn't pointless window dressing like new clothes and cars. I'm waiting for a working casino and others are waiting for heists. That's why I haven't bought a cash card, no worthwhile DLC. Just like with "illegal" music file sharing. If I DLed you music and liked it, I bought a copy to support you and hopefully fund new projects from you. If it sucked I deleted your sh*t song and never wasted a dime. I already bought the game for full price, and until I get DLC I like I'm not spending another penny. I'm not going to shell out more money for something I have no idea if we are even going to get (a working casino), when we will get it or if it will even be worth it. Give m a working casino that is fun and I'll buy a cash card to reward Rockstar for the effort.

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This what? That they want to reward those who put in time? Why does every game need to be geared towards the casual gamer?

 

This "I want it now and I'm not working for it" generational stereotype is incredibly true....

 

 

 

You're contradicting yourself - you seem upset that people are unhappy about having to grind for everything and should instead earn it. But this post is against Cashcards, indicating that you would be in favour of them? Which surely is an even easier way of getting something for no time put in at all. Buying a Cashcard is faster and greater reward than any glitch and therefore the least work for reward. I don't get the contradictions in these threads...

 

There's no contradiction at all. You can want something now, and you can get it, you just have to pay. Thus cash cards. But this guy is complaining that he wants everything, wants it now, but doesn't want to buy cash cards. I have no issue with cash cards. They never said you HAVE to buy them, and if you put in work you won't have to. The glitch is a no cost reward, a cash card costs money. There a huge difference you left out. Cashcards are the casual gamers equalizer. I don't need them now, so I don't care how much they cost. I also understand if I want something, it;s going to take time or going to take real dollars. InfamousRyan wants his cake and wants to eat it too

 

That works for him, but what about everyone else who did grind, and played the game for far longer, and will be less likely to run away in the long run?

 

 

 

I have no hate for cash cards/Rockstar making a profit. What I have a problem with is Rockstar sh*tting all over the casual gamer that doesn't have hours a day to grind for cash, nerfing payouts, and other tactics that seem by design to increase cash card sales. I get it, producing DLC costs money. I wouldn't bitch if the DLC wasn't pointless window dressing like new clothes and cars. I'm waiting for a working casino and others are waiting for heists. That's why I haven't bought a cash card, no worthwhile DLC. Just like with "illegal" music file sharing. If I DLed you music and liked it, I bought a copy to support you and hopefully fund new projects from you. If it sucked I deleted your sh*t song and never wasted a dime. I already bought the game for full price, and until I get DLC I like I'm not spending another penny. I'm not going to shell out more money for something I have no idea if we are even going to get (a working casino), when we will get it or if it will even be worth it. Give m a working casino that is fun and I'll buy a cash card to reward Rockstar for the effort.

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This what? That they want to reward those who put in time? Why does every game need to be geared towards the casual gamer?

 

This "I want it now and I'm not working for it" generational stereotype is incredibly true....

 

I don't want it now. I've put in plenty of time and earned plenty of "legitimate" cash. So far I gave paid for what I've got. I paid full price for the game and of all the DLC I bought the Turizmo R, and the weapons. The new clothes? Didn't care, not worth buy. The new weapons were basically new skins for the guns we already had. So far I have not received DLC i cared about. So I haven't bought a cash cards. I'm not going to throw more money at Rockstar and then hope and pray hey get around someday to adding a working casino, and further hope it doesn't completely suck. Give me the casino, I'll give Rockstar more money. Don't pressure me to give them the money first.

 

Wheres the pressure coming from then? If you have what you want, then there's no pressure to buy anything. No one at Rockstar has ever said "if people would by cashcards, we'd give bigger DLC"

 

You're problem is with your own assumptions, not the reality of the situation.

Edited April 9, 2014 by BigBiff

[xInfamousRYANx]

Ok answer me this. If cash cards didn't exist, do you think job payouts would be higher and costs of items would be lower? I do. That's what annoys people about cash cards. No they aren't required but their use is strongly encouraged by having items cost more while missions pay less.

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[JohnGazman]

Ok answer me this. If cash cards didn't exist, do you think job payouts would be higher and costs of items would be lower? I do.

 

I don't.

 

Without cash cards, GTAO would probably just have a $60 price tag of it's own, or a monthly subscription fee. Stop talking about R* as they're a charity - they're a business, they exist to make money. If they didn't, we wouldn't be having this stupid argument because they wouldn't have made GTAV/O.

Edited April 9, 2014 by JohnGazman