BoringPedsDumbCops Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Because i've followed pedestrians testing this out and they simply loop back on some sort of "patrol route" they have no home to go to, no jobs etc.. More lies from Rockstar. itsme83, theGTAking101 and Thalyn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mista J Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 (edited) They did not lie. They do have routines, but obviously it's limited. They have to free up resources so they eventually reset. They said in the mornings you'd see day laborers waiting at the bus stops and they do. In the afternoons you can see them at the factories on their break just sitting around and chatting. Then at the evenings they're back at the bus stops. You got joggers, people working out, people swimming at the beach, people going into the 24/7 shops, people browsing the clothes shops, etc. It's not Rockstar's fault you expected some super sophisticated A.I. What the hell were people expecting from hardware that's nearly a decade old? Edited April 8, 2014 by DarthShinobi sivaG, GroundZero, Tacymist and 16 others 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoringPedsDumbCops Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 It's not Rockstar's fault you expected some super sophisticated A.I. It is, they said so in interviews. Thalyn, theGTAking101 and warlord GTAV 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mista J Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 No they didn't, they said they'd have routines and they do. lizardman563 and Ss4gogeta0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ss4gogeta0 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 It's not Rockstar's fault you expected some super sophisticated A.I. It is, they said so in interviews. Well sorry they had to free up memory in order to allocate it to the HD particles & effects... im sure if they toned down the scale of the graphics you coulda got your full ped AI routines, but you would be complaining how it looks like sh*t... Its either one or the other... Trade offs have to be made somewhere, does the phrase equivalent exchange mean anything to you? Jerome and or1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chorizombie Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 (edited) Its impossible to do such scripting for each and every ped on the current consoles, not to mention the capacity of blue ray, maybe in 10 ore years the games will be on a 1 terabyte unit case, until then we can just conform to the spawning system that tries to emulate what you mentioned. I also imagine howi affectthe peds family lives, imagine a game where you would kill a ped out of boredom and the next thing you see is a ceremony at the graveyard with its family members and a new grave spawning in there with an actual name... maybe in 30 more years. Edited April 8, 2014 by Chorizombie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ss4gogeta0 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 (edited) Its impossible to do such scripting for each and every ped exactly, even on PC its hard as hell... trust me, I actually did a very simple script for 40 different peds on a game I was working on and it was very cpu intensive... although my coding was not really optimised much with alot of "if" variables but still... Edited April 8, 2014 by Ss4gogeta0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exkabewbikadid Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 You were unrealistic if you expected anything beyond a few scripts for pedestrian activities on outdated hardware with limiting capabilities. Of course they're going to build it up and stretch it out for the previews, but anyone who has followed any games pre-release should know that every developer is going to exaggerate some. For example, Watch Dogs has already started to show cutbacks in the latest coverage compared to the early demos. BlackNoise, dtsmucker, Gnocchi Flip Flops and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackNoise Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 (edited) @Ss4gogeta0 I did a script like this awhile back for SA with 20 peds. It's fun to see what you can do, but it does show you how much work it is. I was trying to make a time travel script, but it was probably the most headache inducing script I've ever created. I can't even imagine what it would take for R* to do an entire game like that. I wonder if that cloud computing will be something we see in the future for more dynamic AI behaviors? The always online aspects would suck sometimes, but it could be interesting. Edited April 8, 2014 by BlackNoise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ss4gogeta0 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 @Ss4gogeta0 I did a script like this awhile back for SA with 20 peds. It's fun to see what you can do, but it does show you how much work it is. I was trying to make a time travel script, but it was probably the most headache inducing script I've ever created. I can't even imagine what it would take for R* to do an entire game like that. I wonder if that cloud computing will be something we see in the future for more dynamic AI behaviors? The always online aspects would suck sometimes, but it could be interesting. yea, cloud computing seems to be the best way to handle individual AI scripts, and Ive been thinking that if someone were to ghost a cloud computing server thats doing the AI routines and were to somehow manipulate it to where all the computing was done on a local network (Simulated Network) then it could possibly work offline aswell... although im not much of a networking guy (still in Computer Information Sciences Networking Cisco Class in college, havnt even finished it yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theNGclan Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Guys, it isn't impossible. The amount of time it would've taken to code and the amount of new opcodes and flags that would need to be created would've made the game need to be delayed again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeteeaifive Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Because i've followed pedestrians testing this out and they simply loop back on some sort of "patrol route" they have no home to go to, no jobs etc.. More lies from Rockstar. It should be in the pc version... still, who would want to follow npcs to their work and sht, it's not that kind of game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCFast Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Yes, every single NPC should be a permanent feature in the game world. Their lives should be tracked at each moment. But in all seriousness, why waste the computing power and pure manpower scripting these things? What would it do for any of us? We'd only maybe twice follow some poor NPC around in the world to just see where he or she goes. Most likely drives up a parkway and disappears into some house, where we can't go. But 99,99% of the time we'd still be very happy with just the situational scripting that happens throughout the gameplay, because we do other things than stalk some boring NPC. I much rather see Rockstar use their development time doing something useful than trying to figure out how to make this suggestion work. Non Funkable Token 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 AI scripting is one of the hardest things, and also one of the most intensive things for a system to process. It's your fault if you expected an amazing AI like never seen before in an open-world game, in decade old hardware. Unless you wanted to play at 15 FPS. Rockstar didn't lie, they just did their job of advertising the game, and people immediately overhyped any features they talked about. GTANet | Red Dead Network | black lives matter | stop Asian hate | trans lives = human lives the beginning is moments ago, the end is moments away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staten Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 It'd be great if anyone could get a source for this. It's not Rockstar's fault you expected some super sophisticated A.I. It is, they said so in interviews. Really? Which ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDetroit Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 (edited) Would be kind of cool I guess, but nothing that would enhance game play that much. The Elder Scrolls (Skyrim too, to an extent) had all the NPC actually doing full daily routines. You could follow a ped to work in the morning, the pub later in the day, then they eventually go home to sleep! I always thought that was pretty cool. They would actually eat and drink too when they go to the pub or head home. In any event, R* did do a good job with having the morning, afternoon and evening routines though...as stated in above posts. Traffic gets a bit crazy during rush hour as well. Get's the job done. DrDetroit Edited April 8, 2014 by DrDetroit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Rockstar lied. They've lied about this feature in the previews for every new GTA since Vice City. Every time they say it for a new game, R* knows they're lying, and I know they're lying when I read it. It's sort of like that one friend who says "I'll pay back that 20 i owe you!" and you both know it's never going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detective Phelps Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 The Elder Scrolls (Skyrim too, to an extent) had all the NPC actually doing full daily routines. You could follow a ped to work in the morning, the pub later in the day, then they eventually go home to sleep! I always thought that was pretty cool. They would actually eat and drink too when they go to the pub or head home. Well, a large portion of those NPCs are named, and can give missions. GTA V doesn't have that. The peds in GTA V are only there to make the world look lively, and to get run over. But it wouldn't be bad to see something like this in a future GTA, but only if R* can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleX AciD Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 The Elder Scrolls (Skyrim too, to an extent) had all the NPC actually doing full daily routines. You could follow a ped to work in the morning, the pub later in the day, then they eventually go home to sleep! Gothic game had this. In year 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquahaze2 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Actually they do, I follwed a guy and as he was driving, he drove to an in and out burger, got out then went inside . ..well he went to the front door and stood there staring at tye door at least lol, theres so many different people and all there A I do different things, you wont see a factory worker at suburban and you wont see a balla in vinewood ao I think they did amazing and cant think of any othere game that come close to these A I, even skyrim and other rpgs like that arent as good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicktestbranch Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Wait I thought Raavi locked this topic up? No wait, that was a "rockstar's promises" hatef*ck thread from the same OP. And also a troll. Fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLOOD Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 (edited) They did not lie. They do have routines, but obviously it's limited. They have to free up resources so they eventually reset. They said in the mornings you'd see day laborers waiting at the bus stops and they do. In the afternoons you can see them at the factories on their break just sitting around and chatting. Then at the evenings they're back at the bus stops. You got joggers, people working out, people swimming at the beach, people going into the 24/7 shops, people browsing the clothes shops, etc. It's not Rockstar's fault you expected some super sophisticated A.I. What the hell were people expecting from hardware that's nearly a decade old? Dont forget; *Beach-Goers taking their baths near the ocean *Body-Building NPS *Over 1000 custom animations for Peds esp.Gangs,Hobos etc *NPCs take Bus Rides not just Train (Transit) or Taxi *NPCs buying (looking for) things in stores. ETC...But Great Comment Bro. Wait I thought Raavi locked this topic up? No wait, that was a "rockstar's promises" hatef*ck thread from the same OP. And also a troll. Fail. Lol I thought so aswell...and i couldnt agree more with the last line Side Note:This is why we got WD a next-gen GTA-type game with more advancements Edited April 8, 2014 by Blood-Is-in-Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mista J Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 (edited) I could go on forever on what the peds do, but it'd become a wall of text. No one likes to read walls of text. Edited April 8, 2014 by DarthShinobi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevans81 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Skyrim managed to incorporate NPC's with daily routines. They would get up in the morning, go to their place of work where they would be until about 5pm, then some would head to the nearest Inn while others went home home and then did it all over again the next day. Maybe the OP would rather play Skyrim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Gordo Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 After reading this I started up the game and followed a this pedestrian for over 1 hour. I can confirm that they indeed have no destination and that they dwell on the streets for all eternity. The more time passes, the bigger the lies from R* get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Ronson Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Atleast animals are smarter than any ped in IV was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoFanboy Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Because i've followed pedestrians testing this out and they simply loop back on some sort of "patrol route" they have no home to go to, no jobs etc.. More lies from Rockstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VolkXue Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 They have been saying this for years, its never been true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnocchi Flip Flops Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 (edited) You were unrealistic if you expected anything beyond a few scripts for pedestrian activities on outdated hardware with limiting capabilities. Of course they're going to build it up and stretch it out for the previews, but anyone who has followed any games pre-release should know that every developer is going to exaggerate some. For example, Watch Dogs has already started to show cutbacks in the latest coverage compared to the early demos. The best reply in this thread. Who bumped this piece of sh*t, it was already answered. Atleast animals are smarter than any ped in IV was. Could you stop being a petty fanboy for once in your life? Edited November 30, 2014 by Sting4S Lock n' Stock and theGTAking101 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choco Taco Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Atleast animals are smarter than any ped in IV was. The peds in IV were smart enough to use umbrellas when it was raining. theGTAking101 and Mista J 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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