Your views on immigration

[Black & White]

I slightly dislike immigration. I was brought up in a racial environment and I grew around hating other nationalities and religions. Most "benefits" of immigration never really happen. With the series of terrorism events - I dislike people belonging to Afghanistan, Pakistan and India, and all countries which are close to them. It's extremely difficult to point out whom is a terrorist and whom isn't. That's why I dislike people from South Asia. Not only that - They bring these ridiculous traditions with them. Most Southern Asians wear long robes and cover their faces. It annoys me. The government grant them access into the country and they can't show respect by wearing something more ordinary and normal. Not just that, but we stand for their sh*t. We allow them to protest and cause havoc. Most Southern Asians are allowed to claim benefits, meanwhile secretly committing to a job. That means that my son will be on the waiting list. Some Indian is entitled to a job, but my son has to be on the waiting list.

 

You know, if every single country was equal, then that would be fine. It just annoys me how certain countries stand for bullsh*t from foreigners, yet don't make progress.

[Zook]

Total open borders is the right way both morally and economically. I think its disgusting how poor people are trapped into a prison of poverty in less developed nations and the rich are allowed to emigrate as they wish.

Edited April 6, 2014 by Zook

[theadmiral]

I slightly dislike immigration. I was brought up in a racial environment and I grew around hating other nationalities and religions. Most "benefits" of immigration never really happen. With the series of terrorism events - I dislike people belonging to Afghanistan, Pakistan and India, and all countries which are close to them. It's extremely difficult to point out whom is a terrorist and whom isn't. That's why I dislike people from South Asia. Not only that - They bring these ridiculous traditions with them. Most Southern Asians wear long robes and cover their faces. It annoys me. The government grant them access into the country and they can't show respect by wearing something more ordinary and normal. Not just that, but we stand for their sh*t. We allow them to protest and cause havoc. Most Southern Asians are allowed to claim benefits, meanwhile secretly committing to a job. That means that my son will be on the waiting list. Some Indian is entitled to a job, but my son has to be on the waiting list.

 

You know, if every single country was equal, then that would be fine. It just annoys me how certain countries stand for bullsh*t from foreigners, yet don't make progress.

 

Great rant there filled with thinly veiled venom and racism. The USA is a multicultural place founded on welcoming people from all cultures and walks of life. If you have a problem with it, your issue is with the USA, not the immigrants.

[Voodoo]

The silly font helps us to not take that post seriously at all, though.

 

Comic Sans Intelligence

Edited April 6, 2014 by Voodoo

[CatDog96]

I think anyone should be able to live wherever they want.

[Abel.]

Most "benefits" of immigration never really happen.

 

 

Do you realise that America's modern existence is due to immigration, and that immigration has bolstered the economy and culture of the US for centuries?

 

Superman, for many a symbol of the immutability of American liberty, was created by immigrants with the intention of demonstrating how the fundamental principles of America transcend race and cultural boundaries.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Siegel

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Shuster

 

Immigration is not without its problems, but to so viciously condemn it as you have is fundamentally un-American.

Edited April 6, 2014 by elanman

[SingingEwe954]

 

Most "benefits" of immigration never really happen.

 

Do you realise that America's modern existence is due to immigration, and that immigration has bolstered the economy and culture of the US for centuries?

 

Superman, for many a symbol of the immutability of American liberty, was created by immigrants with the intention of demonstrating how the fundamental principles of America transcend race and cultural boundaries.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Siegel

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Shuster

 

Immigration is not without its problems, but to so viciously condemn it as you have is fundamentally un-American.

 

Immigrants come over here and take jobs Americans should be doing there is no way you can defend it

[theadmiral]

Maybe you should get more qualified and have a better work ethic if your only excuse for unemployment is those damn foreigners taking your job.

[SingingEwe954]

Maybe you should get more qualified and have a better work ethic if your only excuse for unemployment is those damn foreigners taking your job.

Well where I live we are close to the Canadian border so there ain't to many of them taking my jobs and not to many of those Mexicans take the journey this far north

I guess you make a point seeing most people are lazy as f*ck

[I cucked Alex Jones]

Most Mexican immigrants do jobs most Americans wouldn't do even if there life depended on it, like back breaking day labor for minimum wage sixty hours a week.

[SingingEwe954]

A lot of the immigrants work for under minimum wage

And most of the jobs they do are landscaping and construction up north they're are plenty of Americans doing the jobs that most of the Americans down south would never think of doing

Edited April 6, 2014 by SingingEwe954

[lil weasel]

Most Mexican immigrants do jobs most Americans wouldn't do even if [their] life depended on it, like back breaking day labor for minimum wage sixty hours a week.

Immigrants steal life giving resources and land.

Any invasion by an alien society entering an established land. Europeans killed the new world indigenous peoples. Germans into Russia, Dutch into Africa, Brits into Australia, Brits vs Boars, et cetera.

Once one group of peoples establish a land as "Theirs" you have problems.

Be it Religious, or Purity of Race, every people of a land hates new comers.

And once the New Comers establish themselves it starts again.

 

Examine 'Texas' as a starting study of how society grows from immigration.

 

(The Wheel of Time rolls and will roll over you too.)

Edited April 6, 2014 by lil weasel

[Clem Fandango]

Immigrants come over here and take jobs Americans should be doing there is no way you can defend it

Hear that guys? The wealth of evidence which suggests that immigration is a positive influence on the economy, the fact that we've all grown up accustomed to a multicultural society, the ethical fallibility and observable political consequences of monoculturalism (think: genocide, normalisation of war) and the sheer impractical nature of closed borders* are all trumped by "dey took er jerbs." Or more eloquently but equally stupid: "those jobs are within our borders, they're ours."

 

*The rest of the world probably wouldn't take too kindly to America shutting off it's borders in order to "keep its jobs" while still receiving foreign investment.

[D- Ice]

 

Most Mexican immigrants do jobs most Americans wouldn't do even if [their] life depended on it, like back breaking day labor for minimum wage sixty hours a week.

Immigrants steal life giving resources and land.

Any invasion by an alien society entering an established land. Europeans killed the new world indigenous peoples. Germans into Russia, Dutch into Africa, Brits into Australia, Brits vs Boars, et cetera.

Once one group of peoples establish a land as "Theirs" you have problems.

Be it Religious, or Purity of Race, every people of a land hates new comers.

And once the New Comers establish themselves it starts again.

 

Examine 'Texas' as a starting study of how society grows from immigration.

 

(The Wheel of Time rolls and will roll over you too.)

 

Your post brings a very interesting twist to the usual immigration debate.

I do completely agree that competition for land and resources is a significant issue in politics - in fact I'd go as far as saying one of the primary driving forces of politics in most of human history. I'd like to say it will always remain so as long as human nature remains as it is, but the same kind of competition is also prevalent in animals and even plants, so it is a natural part of life it seems.

 

However, I would disagree with your claim that immigration represents such competition. The immigrants in the US are hardly forcefully taking the land and resources of the people there. Also, the most valuable resources within the US - the multi-billion dollar corporations, the US armed forces, etc. are in no danger of suddenly falling into the hands of any impoverished Mexican immigrants.

 

Even if we are to assume that the presence of immigrants in the US (or other economically more developed nations) does indeed deny nationals of land and resources via competition, what is so wrong with it? While it might negatively impact some people by taking their jobs, it wll greatly advantage the American companies hiring less-than-minimum-wage impoverished Mexicans as opposed to higher-wage American workers (in reality the immigrants will fill job positions which wll otherwise be left empty).

Also, as you have correctly hinted, asides from national (or racial, religious, etc.) politics, there really isn't any ethical justification for favouring people born on one side of the boarder over those born on the other when it comes to job competition.

Edited April 6, 2014 by D- Ice

[sivispacem]

Immigrants come over here and take jobs Americans should be doing there is no way you can defend it

How about defending it by saying "every single academic study on the issue has shown that migration is a net job creator; that is, that it creates both more wealth and more jobs than are taken by serving migrants"? That's a pretty swift and brutal rebuttal of the "taking our jobs" idea, which is simply factually false.

[Black & White]

 

I slightly dislike immigration. I was brought up in a racial environment and I grew around hating other nationalities and religions. Most "benefits" of immigration never really happen. With the series of terrorism events - I dislike people belonging to Afghanistan, Pakistan and India, and all countries which are close to them. It's extremely difficult to point out whom is a terrorist and whom isn't. That's why I dislike people from South Asia. Not only that - They bring these ridiculous traditions with them. Most Southern Asians wear long robes and cover their faces. It annoys me. The government grant them access into the country and they can't show respect by wearing something more ordinary and normal. Not just that, but we stand for their sh*t. We allow them to protest and cause havoc. Most Southern Asians are allowed to claim benefits, meanwhile secretly committing to a job. That means that my son will be on the waiting list. Some Indian is entitled to a job, but my son has to be on the waiting list.

 

You know, if every single country was equal, then that would be fine. It just annoys me how certain countries stand for bullsh*t from foreigners, yet don't make progress.

 

Great rant there filled with thinly veiled venom and racism. The USA is a multicultural place founded on welcoming people from all cultures and walks of life. If you have a problem with it, your issue is with the USA, not the immigrants.

 

 

Well... I did mention that I was raised by a family that was racist and hated many religions, didn't I?

 

Did you just discover this after I've just told you AGAIN?

 

Admiral - It was an example. Sadly, you take things too realistically. My son, my daughter, my friends, or other American born citizens WILL get poor jobs. You've just stated that I should receive better qualifications, so you are saying that foreigners aren't well educated and will only receive rubbish jobs. Who said that I was speaking about rubbish jobs? Obviously foreigners are the problem. If American born citizens are getting rejected jobs because other immigrants have already been installed with those jobs, well, who is it to blame? My point is that the people that were born in the United States of America should be first for all matters concerning the USA. How you disagree with that.. I'm not so sure.

 

"The USA is a multicultural place founded on welcoming people from all cultures and walks of life" - What you just said is purely opinion fact based. Seeing as I disagree with you, those facts don't mean anything. Certain places in the USA don't accept different cultures and nationalities - especially where I am from -, so what you've said has been shown to be bullsh*t and your own opinion. Unless you consider those locations to be outside of the USA, the USA isn't a multicultural place.

 

@ Elanman - Immigrant hasn't, doesn't and won't ever benefit me. It's just convenient how America is extremely in debt. I don't see it as progress. Immigration has backfired on the United States of America numerous times. Imagine if immigration wasn't accepted. All of those lives would have been saved.

[sivispacem]

Tell me, how does immigration not help you? So you actually know the direct and indirect effects of immigration on your life? I don't think you do.

[Samuel Howitzer]

I'm all for it. (just not illegally)

[T0X1C]

Well... I did mention that I was raised by a family that was racist and hated many religions, didn't I?

So that makes racism ok?

 

This is the problem and it's the reason why modern society isn't moving forward. The previous generation lived through a time of bigotry and oppression, as a result, many many people from that generation are racist, my own parents included. You would think that people of the current generation would have moved past the asininity of hating somebody because of the colour of their skin, but nay, people like yourself choose to blindly continue the legacy of hatred instead of stopping and thinking to yourself "this isn't right." Racism will exist until the child of the last racist person on the planet stops to think for himself/herself. Nobody is born hating another person, hatred is something that must be taught.

I sincerely hope that your children choose to think for themselves as I did, rather than following in your footsteps of hand-me-down racism.

 

Just a side note. If you're a Caucasian American then yes, immigration has benefited you. It's the only reason that you can call yourself an American.

Edited April 6, 2014 by T0X1C

[Moth]

Don't care about immigration. It just annoys me when immigrants completely refuse to assimilate and integrate. If you want to retain 100% of your old culture, don't come here. I'm not going to stop saying "Merry Christmas" just because it offends you. It offends me when I hear about honour killings because children wanted to integrate, for example.

 

I live in Toronto and there's tons of immigrants here. If you come here, great. Just please assimilate. It's cool to still have some of your culture like language and food etc but you can't have 100% of it and try to act like you're still where you originally came from.

 

It doesn't work and in most cases it just alienates both sides away from each other, achieving the exact opposite of "multiculturalism".

 

The way things stand now in Toronto, I'll say it's not working and I'm not a da of it. I'll leave it at that.

Pretty much this.

 

Both of my parents are Polish immigrants(the scourge of the Brits these days it seems). My dad came to Canada in the 60s/70s and my mom came in the 90s after getting married to my dad. They've for the most part assimilated, while still keeping some traditions, like speaking Polish at home or not eating meat on Good Friday and Christmas Eve.

 

I'm not saying drop your culture, cause my family still keeps it, but make sure you have also assimilated with the rest of Canada. Keep your language, your food, hell even your clothing, but throw away your Sharia Law and other similar stupid things. And don't try to force us to adapt your customs instead of the other way around. You came here of your own free will, if you don't like it, you should have gone to a different country.

[BrownBear]

People should be able to go and come as they choose.

No one is really where they're from, most English are Irish or German and French going back and you Americans are the descendants off pretty recent immigration. Borders are simply lines on a map that change every couple years an national pride is nothing more than ignorant bullsh*t.

[Abel.]

 

 

I slightly dislike immigration. I was brought up in a racial environment and I grew around hating other nationalities and religions. Most "benefits" of immigration never really happen. With the series of terrorism events - I dislike people belonging to Afghanistan, Pakistan and India, and all countries which are close to them. It's extremely difficult to point out whom is a terrorist and whom isn't. That's why I dislike people from South Asia. Not only that - They bring these ridiculous traditions with them. Most Southern Asians wear long robes and cover their faces. It annoys me. The government grant them access into the country and they can't show respect by wearing something more ordinary and normal. Not just that, but we stand for their sh*t. We allow them to protest and cause havoc. Most Southern Asians are allowed to claim benefits, meanwhile secretly committing to a job. That means that my son will be on the waiting list. Some Indian is entitled to a job, but my son has to be on the waiting list.

 

You know, if every single country was equal, then that would be fine. It just annoys me how certain countries stand for bullsh*t from foreigners, yet don't make progress.

 

Great rant there filled with thinly veiled venom and racism. The USA is a multicultural place founded on welcoming people from all cultures and walks of life. If you have a problem with it, your issue is with the USA, not the immigrants.

 

 

Well... I did mention that I was raised by a family that was racist and hated many religions, didn't I?

 

Did you just discover this after I've just told you AGAIN?

 

Admiral - It was an example. Sadly, you take things too realistically. My son, my daughter, my friends, or other American born citizens WILL get poor jobs. You've just stated that I should receive better qualifications, so you are saying that foreigners aren't well educated and will only receive rubbish jobs. Who said that I was speaking about rubbish jobs? Obviously foreigners are the problem. If American born citizens are getting rejected jobs because other immigrants have already been installed with those jobs, well, who is it to blame? My point is that the people that were born in the United States of America should be first for all matters concerning the USA. How you disagree with that.. I'm not so sure.

 

"The USA is a multicultural place founded on welcoming people from all cultures and walks of life" - What you just said is purely opinion fact based. Seeing as I disagree with you, those facts don't mean anything. Certain places in the USA don't accept different cultures and nationalities - especially where I am from -, so what you've said has been shown to be bullsh*t and your own opinion. Unless you consider those locations to be outside of the USA, the USA isn't a multicultural place.

 

@ Elanman - Immigrant hasn't, doesn't and won't ever benefit me. It's just convenient how America is extremely in debt. I don't see it as progress. Immigration has backfired on the United States of America numerous times. Imagine if immigration wasn't accepted. All of those lives would have been saved.

 

 

Without immigration there would be no America. If you're referring to more recent immigration, then the Irish, Italian, Jewish and eastern European immigrants who moved to the US in the nineteenth and twentieth century never would have moved to the US and contributed so immensely that many of the things they brought with them/invented are now part of American culture in their own right.

 

 

Honestly, people like you are the reason that certain parts of America are regarded so poorly by other parts of the world, which is a real shame as, in my experience, most Americans today value the tenets of decency and acceptance on which their nation was founded.

 

I understand that you and yours don't take too kindly to people who are not of your race. Fine, I might not agree with that (actually I vehemently oppose that), but it's not my place to judge your family and friends. However, to completely reject the valuable services, ideas and businesses that immigrants have brought to your nation is insulting.

Edited April 7, 2014 by elanman

[Doc Rikowski]

We are all immigrants to a certain degree.

Who can honestly say that his/her family has been -insert nationality here- for countless generations.

On my mother side I can backtrack the roots to about the 10th century and from my father side to about the 14th century,

but even like that nationality has changed many times through the centuries.

Americans are basically all immigrants, even the natives who are prehistorical immigrants.

[El Dildo]

immigration makes the world go around.

 

we're all immigrants.

no one is a native. get over yourself.

 

immigration is a good thing.

[Black & White]

Tell me, how does immigration not help you? So you actually know the direct and indirect effects of immigration on your life? I don't think you do.

 

And you tell me how immigration is currently helping me? Sorry for not mentioning earlier. I meant in the modern era. Of course each place has been founded by a human being that was born in another country, but the history won't help us in the modern era. It went from immigrants founding other countries, being allowed into those countries, then banned from those countries, and now we're allowing immigrants into our country once again. Let's just stop pretending. Each country is not equal, and let's stop pretending that each country is equal.

 

@ Toxic - And where did I say that racism is okay? You've clearly missed out my point. I think each person on this thread has already forgotten what I've posted earlier. I'm against Southern Asians. Toxic, you also clearly haven't read the title of this thread. What I've said is MY opinion. Just like you have yours. Europeans, Britons and Americans, I have no problem with. We all have something in common and have been loyal to each other for a long amount of time. With our current President making alliances and peace, meanwhile continuing to station our troops in their countries, is very contradicting. Obama is so focused on these Southern Asian countries that he has forgotten about the United States of American. We're in crisis and in debt, yet he's speaking to the heads of those countries and not sorting out the country that he leads.

[Frantz Fuchs]

Try to think on a broader scale, I know it might be hard. Without immigration, the US would be no where near as advanced it is now. Look at your doctors and professors etc. Majority will be immigrants. You know why? Education is sacred in other countries. People over here take it for granted like it's nothing.

 

But personally, I just find it hilarious when Americans/Canadians/Australians complain about immigration. Countries built on mass immigration, over-running the indigenous population. Europe, fair enough.

 

"Obama is focused on Southern Asian countries" Oh I don't know, maybe it's because you've invaded their damn country?

Edited April 7, 2014 by Frantz Fuchs

[Black & White]

What's up with this economic discussion? Money shouldn't come first. The problem is that there are already enough ethnic groups out there. Up in California, Hispanics are expanded throughout. Look at the amount of violence which has occurred. At best, we shouldn't accept many immigrants. No matter how bad of a condition they are in. I might seem "cold", but it isn't my problem. America is getting exploited in the process. We're too busy focused on donating to other countries and allowing people into our country because they are hungry, but yet many American born persons are living in poverty and they aren't receiving the proper support. Probably many years from now, our government will be riddled with foreigners. Immigrants will control what we currently call the "United States of America". New York will turn into Afghanistan, Washington will turn into Islamabad, and everyone will be wearing turbans and robes. We shouldn't be selling out our country. Race should always come first. Our own should always come first. Then when these Southern Asians take over our country, we won't be able to regain control.

[Frantz Fuchs]

Too bad businesses and compainies don't think that way. Money does come first. And you're not allowing people in becuase they're hungry. They're coming in becuase they have skills which Americans are in short supply of.

 

'Race comes first' I presume you think 'white' is a race?

[Moonshield]

What's up with this economic discussion? Money shouldn't come first. The problem is that there are already enough ethnic groups out there. Up in California, Hispanics are expanded throughout. Look at the amount of violence which has occurred. At best, we shouldn't accept many immigrants. No matter how bad of a condition they are in. I might seem "cold", but it isn't my problem. America is getting exploited in the process. We're too busy focused on donating to other countries and allowing people into our country because they are hungry, but yet many American born persons are living in poverty and they aren't receiving the proper support. Probably many years from now, our government will be riddled with foreigners. Immigrants will control what we currently call the "United States of America". New York will turn into Afghanistan, Washington will turn into Islamabad, and everyone will be wearing turbans and robes. We shouldn't be selling out our country. Race should always come first. Our own should always come first. Then when these Southern Asians take over our country, we won't be able to regain control.

 

That won't make much of a difference when the martian raiding parties come and wipe America off of the face of the planet. That's basically the next step in your leaps in logic. I've never read such hilariously out of touch hypothetical doom and gloom bullsh*t on these forums. Please keep that sort of sh*t to your stormfront.org circle jerks.

[sivispacem]

How is immigration helping you? Well, logically speaking, it makes you wealthier. As immigration is a proven wealth creator, it's fairly reasonable to conclude that, as immigration has a positive net economic effect, that positive net effect is also going to affect you.

 

The rest of your responses, as Moon has handily pointed our, are really just bigoted scaremongering.

 

I'll as you again. Putting aside your bigotry and racism, can you name a single measurable, empirical or tangible way immigration has a negative effect on you.