Your views on immigration

[RoadRunner71]

The immigration is a hot issue lately in Europe, either the one coming from outside Europe as well as the one between countries of the EU.

 

What's your opinion on it? Do you consider it prejudicial or beneficial? What do you think that would be the solution(s) for it?

 

Ps. Please, keep this civilized.

[EphemeralStar]

I think it's great, but I've always lived in a very multicultural country. The only issues that may arise, that personally bothers me is when immigrants come over but tell us we can't celebrate Christmas in our schools? We've had to change everything to "Happy Holidays" instead to be sensitive to other cultures. In addition, even though immigrants are required to take a standard English test before they move here, often times many do not know English? I'm not sure why or how that works but it can be a struggle especially working in retail. Not that I have anything against non-english speaking people, I just think people who plan on moving to an English-speaking country should take some effort to learn the primary language. Other than that, the diversity is great and THE DIFFERENT ETHNIC FOOD TOO

Edited April 5, 2014 by EphemeralStar

[Mr. House]

I think that this thread is going to turn into a real god damn abortion.

[Voodoo]

THE DIFFERENT ETHNIC FOOD TOO

Agreed 100%.

[Raavi]

My views on @Immigration? Well, he is an ok member, I guess.

[GTA_stu]

It's fine if it's controlled and it benefits the country e.g. Australia. But it's sh*t if pretty much anyone can come and live in your country and it's to it's detriment. e.g. UK.

[Carbonox]

If only all immigrants came in to work, and respected our lifestyle ("When in Rome, do as the Romans do") I wouldn't have issues with it to begin with. But in Europe, this hasn't been the case for a while now.

[Crazyeighties]

I don't care what nationality people are as long as they go through the proper channels of being in the country legally be it the United States, Europe, The Middle East. I wouldn't care if someone came from outter space. But when people break the law to be here I have a problem

[Doc Rikowski]

Beneficial all the way. Borders should be open to everyone. The real shame is having people dying in the sea while trying to reach Europe.

There should be no such thing as illegal immigration. Immigration should always be legal. It's a basic human right.

Nations and borders are an outdated idea.

[Killerdude]

I don't mind Immigrants and the like but, I'm confused when people complain about them taking jobs though. If they took a job, Why wasn't anyone doing that job in the first place?

[lil weasel]

I don't mind Immigrants and the like but, I'm confused when people complain about them taking jobs though. If they took a job, Why wasn't anyone doing that job in the first place?

Because the 'True American' won't sully him/herself working for pittance wages. Or at least that's what many non-workers use for an excuse to not take a job. And of course people who look down on service jobs (like flipping burgers) also avoid decent work themselves.

Employers who hire illegals also get to save on their labour taxes too.

 

With colleges and university's putting forth the false claim that a 'Higher Education' will automatically ensure a high wage, why would an educated person take one of those jobs. From experience I've seen them refuse to take a lower paying job, preferring to stay on the dole. Would you, having been downsized from 25 an hour job, take 12 as a wage hour?

Edited April 5, 2014 by lil weasel

[Clem Fandango]

"When in Rome, do as the Romans do"

Yes random idioms taken out of their intended context should be the basis for all socioeconomic policy.

[The Leviathan]

Immigration is adorable, imo. Adds a bit of flavor to the gene pool in the good 'ol USA!

[Killerdude]

 

I don't mind Immigrants and the like but, I'm confused when people complain about them taking jobs though. If they took a job, Why wasn't anyone doing that job in the first place?

Because the 'True American' won't sully him/herself working for pittance wages. Or at least that's what many non-workers use for an excuse to not take a job. And of course people who look down on service jobs (like flipping burgers) also avoid decent work themselves.

Employers who hire illegals also get to save on their labour taxes too.

 

With colleges and university's putting forth the false claim that a 'Higher Education' will automatically ensure a high wage, why would an educated person take one of those jobs. From experience I've seen them refuse to take a lower paying job, preferring to stay on the dole. Would you, having been downsized from 25 an hour job, take 12 as a wage hour?

 

I'd rather a 12$ wage over living on the streets in a box.

Sadly, Most people don't share that view.

[IreneMiau]

I dont mind it really, we have a lot of immigrants here in Spain.

[mr quick]

Immigration is quite the hot-button issue here in Norway. It's a popular place to immigrate to because we're only 5 million people here, and we're the 2nd richest country in the world, with free health care for all citizens (correct me if I'm wrong). Even my father is an immigrant, though often not considered one because he's caucasian and has learned to speak fluent norwegian, and also acts like a norwegian. I'm all for immigration and a multicultural people. My only concern is about assimilation - Not enough immigrants integrate themselves properly, and this leads to a kind of segregation, which also creates stereotypes, prejudice, and racism

[IreneMiau]

Immigration is quite the hot-button issue here in Norway. It's a popular place to immigrate to because we're only 5 million people here, and we're the 2nd richest country in the world, with free health care for all citizens (correct me if I'm wrong). Even my father is an immigrant, though often not considered one because he's caucasian and has learned to speak fluent norwegian, and also acts like a norwegian. I'm all for immigration and a multicultural people. My only concern is about assimilation - Not enough immigrants integrate themselves properly, and this leads to a kind of segregation, which also creates stereotypes, prejudice, and racism

What if someone imigrates illegally? Like sneaking over the border to your country...?

[Punisher.]

The world is ours to share, no need for borders or disrespect for eachothers cultures and beliefs.

The word immigration should not exist, unless we are going to a different planet.

[SingingEwe954]

Than Damn immigrants

Edited April 5, 2014 by SingingEwe954

[Audiophile]

Don't care about immigration. It just annoys me when immigrants completely refuse to assimilate and integrate. If you want to retain 100% of your old culture, don't come here. I'm not going to stop saying "Merry Christmas" just because it offends you. It offends me when I hear about honour killings because children wanted to integrate, for example.

 

I live in Toronto and there's tons of immigrants here. If you come here, great. Just please assimilate. It's cool to still have some of your culture like language and food etc but you can't have 100% of it and try to act like you're still where you originally came from.

 

It doesn't work and in most cases it just alienates both sides away from each other, achieving the exact opposite of "multiculturalism".

 

The way things stand now in Toronto, I'll say it's not working and I'm not a da of it. I'll leave it at that.

[DJ Arrt]

There's a saying that my best friend (who's Mexican) used to always say to me that I agree with "f*ck legalizing pot, legalize my mom"

[T0X1C]

Slightly off topic.

 

Do Americans pronounce "immigration" as 'eye-migration' in the same way that they pronounce Iraq and Iran as 'eye-raq' and 'eye-ran?'

[mr quick]

 

Immigration is quite the hot-button issue here in Norway. It's a popular place to immigrate to because we're only 5 million people here, and we're the 2nd richest country in the world, with free health care for all citizens (correct me if I'm wrong). Even my father is an immigrant, though often not considered one because he's caucasian and has learned to speak fluent norwegian, and also acts like a norwegian. I'm all for immigration and a multicultural people. My only concern is about assimilation - Not enough immigrants integrate themselves properly, and this leads to a kind of segregation, which also creates stereotypes, prejudice, and racism

What if someone imigrates illegally? Like sneaking over the border to your country...?

 

I don't really see the issue, if they assimilate properly

[lil weasel]

Slightly off topic.

 

Do Americans pronounce "immigration" as 'eye-migration' in the same way that they pronounce Iraq and Iran as 'eye-raq' and 'eye-ran?'

It is Emo-gray-chion.

[D4 Damager]

It's fine if it's controlled and it benefits the country e.g. Australia. But it's sh*t if pretty much anyone can come and live in your country and it's to it's detriment. e.g. UK.

 

Australia does not really control its immigration -- its net migration is over twice as high as ours and immigrants make up nearly 30% of the population as opposed to only 13% or so over here.

 

And I'm not entirely convinced that it's to this country's detriment to have foreigners wanting to live over here (legally anyway).

[GTA_stu]

What I mean is Australia control who can and can't come to their country for work, for the most part. They may have a high number of immigrants, but I'm assuming the vast majority of those are actually needed or wanted by the govt. Whereas the UK is forced to open it's doors to whoever wants to come in, regardless of whether or not they're needed or wanted. At least in terms of Europe.

[RoadRunner71]

I guess I have to agree that, as long as it's controlled, it's fine. I don't have any racial or cultural objection against them, though I think that they should adapt their culture at some point to the one of the country they have emigrated to and not the opposite, the country adapting to their cultures.

 

I don't see how opening the borders would work. I mean, dreaming with a free world where everybody get along and live wherever they want is so nice but in practice things don't work so well.

 

I live in Spain, hundreds of immigrants try to illegally cross the Spain-Morocco border jumping the fences* or crossing the sea. I understand the reasons why this people come, who wouldn't want to try to get a better living? And I know that there's Spanish people emigrating too. But, if we opened the borders, the country will get flooded. It's hard enough to get a job for the national citizens that I doubt that most of this people will get one and therefore integrate and contribute to the country.

 

*I have some dilemma in regard to that matter. This people have traveled far, crossing some f*cked up places and have almost reached Europe, being "only" stopped by a fence. This fence won't stop them to keep coming, they will only be stuck in some kind of limbo which is the border, eventually trying to break through it like is happening, as it's the only choice.

 

I don't mind Immigrants and the like but, I'm confused when people complain about them taking jobs though. If they took a job, Why wasn't anyone doing that job in the first place?

Immigrants normally have done the tasks that local people didn't want to. Now, with the economical crisis and unemployment, this has changed so more local people is okay with these jobs.

 

By other hand, though, there's some different case in my city where they are building a football stadium -with public money, by the way, even if it's for private fc- and they've been hiring foreign workers that work for a lower wage and in worse condition that the local workers. It's fine if you want to hire foreign workers but, first, give them the same working conditions than the local workers' and second, if you are using public money, give priority to hire local workers.

Edited April 6, 2014 by RoadRunner71

[THE GHETTO JEZUS]

In addition, even though immigrants are required to take a standard English test before they move here, often times many do not know English? I'm not sure why or how that works but it can be a struggle especially working in retail. Not that I have anything against non-english speaking people, I just think people who plan on moving to an English-speaking country should take some effort to learn the primary language. Other than that, the diversity is great and THE DIFFERENT ETHNIC FOOD TOO

Ahh, like I agree with you. Like how can people get hired when they can't speak proper English. Like this Subway that's right down the road from me ( about a 5 minute walk ) the employee's can't speak English at all. Like once I said pickles please and then she puts in onions, or like when I said Italian bread and she gives me whole wheat. Like I could go on and on about this Subway but it'll be too long to read. I always wonder how are these people employed when my ass isn't. I go out and try finding work and then I get rejected for some who can't speak English, like I even said something like this in that Discrimination thread you created a while back. But that is the one plus thing about having a bunch of cultural backgrounds where we live, like everyday we can try something new from a different part of the world.

[SolidSnails]

Dont get me wrong i like them but when they come here acting like untouchable gods it gets annoying or there like ooh u have offended me i am not to be treated like this u will be sent to the gulag.

[D4 Damager]

What I mean is Australia control who can and can't come to their country for work, for the most part. They may have a high number of immigrants, but I'm assuming the vast majority of those are actually needed or wanted by the govt. Whereas the UK is forced to open it's doors to whoever wants to come in, regardless of whether or not they're needed or wanted. At least in terms of Europe.

The government of Australia has a list of professions which they have a shortage of and people can apply for those jobs from abroad. This is just like how the UK deals with non-European immigrants of a certain category.

 

And speaking from personal experience immigration rule-changes haven't had much of an effect on where my parents work: they just work alongside Polish people instead of Filipinos. Businesses across all areas of our economy both need and want immigrants to work for them because there is a shortage of motivated locals who are willing to do the same jobs for the same money.

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think that immigrants are more productive than English people -- and (certainly the young immigrants anyway) put more into the economy here than they take out. Immigrants who assimilate also add a lot to the culture of a country -- and the food...

Edited April 6, 2014 by D4 Damager