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[Antaxi]

yep we no need full tower rig for 5000$ in the future

[Sam779]

PC as in the tower will die and is already on the decline, the functionality however won't, it will only evolve. As for your assumption, I work in the financial sector and trade on the side, the majority of my work is done on laptops and gradually smart devices are becoming much more prevalent. Same goes for a lot of other industries. In any case the tower has had its best time. As technology progresses computing devices for professional use will become much smaller. "PC" gaming will still exist, you just won't need a large tower anymore

You are mixing up two aspects of the PC platform.

Working with tower PCs is maybe dying, but gaming isn't. A big, if not the biggest, part of PC gaming is customizing the hardware. You can create and build your own PC as well as upgrading the different components. This is a crucial element of PC gaming and it's closely linked to towers. Gaming on laptops can be fun for the first few years, but it's not an alternative to a tower PC.

 

yep we no need full tower rig for 5000$ in the future

We never needed and hopefully will never need gaming PCs costing 5000$. You can create a good gaming PC for 1000$ and a very good high end gaming PC for maximum 2500$. If you spend 5000$ on a PC, you are definitely doing something wrong.

[Bonnano]

and whats about an ATVS

Dat engrish. You do know that is just the plural for All-Terrain Vehicle right?

 

EDIT:

 

Btw, it's called Hunter, not "Attack helicopters".

Edited April 27, 2014 by Bonnano

[MaGnEz]

Raavi you are wrong, nvidia will make gpu which are around 6inches such as gtx 680 and 690 for many years to come they will only fit in tower gaming pc's. They will always be big towers, only diffrence is they will get more powerful. Raavi you are missing massive point in technical computer engineering. Why is the gtx 680 more powerful than the gtx 680M, one reason because they had more space to work with which made everything easier, raavi stop saying that hardcore gaming machines will turn into sh*tty little console boxes or even tablets. If you really think that you are 5 years old.

[Raavi]

Raavi you are wrong, nvidia will make gpu which are around 6inches such as gtx 680 and 690 for many years to come they will only fit in tower gaming pc's. They will always be big towers, only diffrence is they will get more powerful. Raavi you are missing massive point in technical computer engineering. Why is the gtx 680 more powerful than the gtx 680M, one reason because they had more space to work with which made everything easier, raavi stop saying that hardcore gaming machines will turn into sh*tty little console boxes or even tablets. If you really think that you are 5 years old.

 

You repeated what you said before without bothering to even attempt refuting any point I made. So I'll just repeat word for word what I said before: Because f*ck everything recent history has proven and the rapid increase in technologic developments, right? IBM and other tech giants are constantly developing new ways to put more processing power and storage capacity on smaller and smaller devices. The golden age of PC towers is long over. Why would it matter if wasn't a big tower anyway, is having such a "big" machine under your desk some kind of ego boost? Technologic development is never at a standstill. Also refrain from going ad hominem and keep the discussion ad rem. Thanks.

Edited April 27, 2014 by Raavi

[I cucked Alex Jones]

Raavi, are you saying my 18 inch tower is just me trying to compensate for something? What am I trying to compensate for?

Edited April 28, 2014 by Nipperkins

[orcdog]

I don't think Rockstar is abandoned PC platform. I'm sure we see some games for pc. GTA V? I hope so.

My speculation is somewhere autumn 2014.

Now so much time is passed i just hope Rockstar say something about PC release...

Im sure i buy V for PC its just matter for which price. My limit at the moment is 40€(last year probably even 60) but later maybe less

And if it never coming to PC i dont play it. So far i tried V with PS3 ~15 minutes, world looks very interesting. Graphics was not terrible but still poor(i dont have high end PC so im used to play games with low graphics and i can play with such picture if fps is good). Main reasons why i dont want play it with console are 1) i like M+K, controllers are not for me 2) terrible below 30 fps.

 

 

Raavi, personally it is not dying, sales might be decreasing thats all, high end gaming pc are a niche market. Not everyone can afford a £2000 machine compared to a <£500 console. Niche market not dying, big diffrence.

 

He's not saying PC Gaming is over, he's saying the PC Tower is, you can get laptops around the same price of a high end PC rig and get equal performance now, chips are becoming smaller and less power dependent with more processing power behind them, meaning a high end PC rig wont always be a massive tower. The size will change, but the media will still exist.

 

Not true. Laptop gpus are much slower.

​AMD RADEON R9 M290X performance is desktop ~R9 270

Nvidia GeForce GTX 880M performance is bit slower desktop GTX 680(no bad for laptop Good mid range gaming PC but not near to high end.

 

[Dudeman696]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, haven't followed the thread for long just wanted to throw my two cents in. I honestly dont think that R* have "abandoned" the PC platform, I believe we will see a lot of R* on our PCs in the future but I honestly have to say I don't think GTA 5 will come to the PC unless it is the single player campaign only, no GTAO. Think about it, what is a major reason that people want it on PC, mods, not the main reason but you can't deny that its a reason. And now as for GTAO, it seems like all R* wants out of it is you to buy cash cards, borderline pay to win IMO. But anyway R* have said its money venture anyway. So put those together, if the game were to release on PC someone would eventually make a mod like Multi Theft Auto, basically a free version of GTAO and then R* losses all their cash card sales because someone modded the multiplayer mode most of us were probably expecting.

 

Sorry for the rambling post, just my thoughts and ideas

[kj2022]

 

I don't think Rockstar is abandoned PC platform. I'm sure we see some games for pc. GTA V? I hope so.

My speculation is somewhere autumn 2014.

Now so much time is passed i just hope Rockstar say something about PC release...

Im sure i buy V for PC its just matter for which price. My limit at the moment is 40€(last year probably even 60) but later maybe less

And if it never coming to PC i dont play it. So far i tried V with PS3 ~15 minutes, world looks very interesting. Graphics was not terrible but still poor(i dont have high end PC so im used to play games with low graphics and i can play with such picture if fps is good). Main reasons why i dont want play it with console are 1) i like M+K, controllers are not for me 2) terrible below 30 fps.

 

 

Raavi, personally it is not dying, sales might be decreasing thats all, high end gaming pc are a niche market. Not everyone can afford a £2000 machine compared to a <£500 console. Niche market not dying, big diffrence.

 

He's not saying PC Gaming is over, he's saying the PC Tower is, you can get laptops around the same price of a high end PC rig and get equal performance now, chips are becoming smaller and less power dependent with more processing power behind them, meaning a high end PC rig wont always be a massive tower. The size will change, but the media will still exist.

 

Not true. Laptop gpus are much slower.

​AMD RADEON R9 M290X performance is desktop ~R9 270

Nvidia GeForce GTX 880M performance is bit slower desktop GTX 680(no bad for laptop Good mid range gaming PC but not near to high end.

 

 

 

Yes, at the moment, because we're using discrete GPU's. I know this because I'm currently writing this on a laptop, but despite it being a laptop, and only having a dual core CPU and a crappy discrete card, I can still game okayish, I was playing GTA IV on it the other day. As Laptops start to become better equipped and the differences shorten, there will be no need for desktop towers for anything but video editing or music editing, and even then, most of thsoe are built into desks. LAptops will hold up just fine with gaming at the moment, even the non expensive ones, so where for now the performance is less, in the near future there will be a time where laptops and PC's will be on par. The towers are becoming obsolete as modern housing is becoming smaller and technology is progressing so we can have better things with lower power and a lower form factor. Just face it, with the way the computer industry is now, where the entry point is a low level laptop or a tablet, Nvidia and AMD are going to build chips specifically optimised for them, where the performance is parralell with the PC version, they already are starting to, desktop PC's at the moment are best, yes, I'm not denying that, but a few years down the line, non hardcore gamers are gonna pick up laptops and tablets where they wanna play a bit of gaming but not too much, with steam keys being ridiculously cheap on Ebay (the entire GTA collection for £8), the casual gamer will pick them up because they're cheaper, and because that's where the market will be, Nvidia and AMD will follow. Huge form factors aren't the way forward, I'm sorry, but they will become miniaturized.

Edited April 27, 2014 by kj2022

[qfs]

 

 

 

Yes, at the moment, because we're using discrete GPU's. I know this because I'm currently writing this on a laptop, but despite it being a laptop, and only having a dual core CPU and a crappy discrete card, I can still game okayish, I was playing GTA IV on it the other day. As Laptops start to become better equipped and the differences shorten, there will be no need for desktop towers for anything but video editing or music editing, and even then, most of thsoe are built into desks. LAptops will hold up just fine with gaming at the moment, even the non expensive ones, so where for now the performance is less, in the near future there will be a time where laptops and PC's will be on par. The towers are becoming obsolete as modern housing is becoming smaller and technology is progressing so we can have better things with lower power and a lower form factor.

 

You forget about one thing. The monitors. I don't want a 15" or 17" screen from a laptop. I want a bigger one, from 23" to 27". The monitor connects to the powerful gaming tower, connected to a mouse and keyboard, or even a controller once in a while. Well.. wasn't that what Valve thought, lets bring the pc gaming to the living room inside a box. Much like the consoles, which are kinda pc too. I'm not sure how the technology evolved for cooling laptops on hours upon hours of gaming, or any other demanding work.

Edited April 27, 2014 by qfs

[Andreas]

Most of PC gamers buy their own components or go to companies that custom build PCs, and not HP or any other similiar company that are good for factories, offices, etc. PC Gamers do not care about them, we care about actual component, most of PC gamers buy new GPU every 2-3 years, or whole new rig each 5 or so years. Whoever buys PC from the shelf is not a gamer and/or shouldn't be counted as "gamer" but as usually internet/Facebook user.

Of course PC sales are declining, because most people have PC and don't need new one for 7 or more years for downloading porn. While we PC gamers, we will support our favourite PC component maker, let that be Intel or AMD, nVidia or AMD, ASUS or Gigabyte, these people should be counted as potential buyers, and not those people that buy PC and have it for P2P.

 

PC will never die. Who uses laptop or touchpad for any actual work? Nobody.

I think that some of your points are questionable.

 

Admittedly, I haven't done any research recently about the sale numbers, but I wouldn't be so sure about the market selling more custom built PCs than pre-built ones from HP, Acer, Medion, etc. I can definitely imagine that they sell better than Alienware, and I'm pretty sure of it, but not the other corporates I mentioned and other notable ones. There are more people who have no clue whatsoever about hardware and buy a pre-built PC for gaming than you might think.

 

I don't think that PC towers are really dying but it's definitely true that less and less people are purchasing them, simply because of the mobile market which keeps getting pushed by the largest tech companies in the world.

 

One reason why I think that PC towers will not vanish anytime soon is that manufacturers like Intel are slowly but surely coming to a physical limit when it comes to shrinking hardware components. They already had some "slight" problems when they were working on Ivy Bridge, which uses 22nm transistors. I remember I read somewhere that actually not all transistors are 22nm big; in fact, some of them are 45nm and bigger, which is most likely because it's a real challenge to get a processor to work flawlessly with units that are smaller than that and, like I mentioned, they aren't far off from the physical limit. Broadwell, which is to be released later this year, will shrink the transistors to 14nm, and Skymont is planned to shrink them to 10nm in about a couple of years from now. They could use different semiconductors to avoid facing even more trouble than they did so far, but that sounds easier than it actually is. I guess time will tell.

 

Everyone owns the one or the other mobile platform, but that doesn't necessarily make powerful PCs (and so PC Towers) obsolete. There is one crucial thing they have over ANY mobile device and that is power. Electronic gadgets, like smartphones and laptops, are indeed becoming smaller and also more powerful, but they will never be on par with the performance of a desktop PC. Not as long as desktop PCs cease to exist, which will probably never happen. Who knows though.

Edited April 27, 2014 by Andreas

[kj2022]

 

 

 

 

Yes, at the moment, because we're using discrete GPU's. I know this because I'm currently writing this on a laptop, but despite it being a laptop, and only having a dual core CPU and a crappy discrete card, I can still game okayish, I was playing GTA IV on it the other day. As Laptops start to become better equipped and the differences shorten, there will be no need for desktop towers for anything but video editing or music editing, and even then, most of thsoe are built into desks. LAptops will hold up just fine with gaming at the moment, even the non expensive ones, so where for now the performance is less, in the near future there will be a time where laptops and PC's will be on par. The towers are becoming obsolete as modern housing is becoming smaller and technology is progressing so we can have better things with lower power and a lower form factor.

 

You forget about one thing. The monitors. I don't want a 15" or 17" screen from a laptop. I want a bigger one, from 23" to 27". The monitor connects to the powerful gaming tower, connected to a mouse and keyboard, or even a controller once in a while. Well.. wasn't that what Valve thought, lets bring the pc gaming to the living room inside a box. Much like the consoles, which are kinda pc too. I'm not sure how the technology evolved for cooling laptops on hours upon hours of gaming, or any other demanding work.

 

 

If my £400 laptop can quite easily connect to a 60" tv for gaming with a simple HDMI cable, there's always gonna be work arounds, yes the elitists wont want a 15" screen, but the casuals, who'll use their laptop for things other than gaming, but are able to game on it, wont care at all.

[Eutyphro]

Any news on when this is coming out? It's annoying to not have a date for it.

[Njale]

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, at the moment, because we're using discrete GPU's. I know this because I'm currently writing this on a laptop, but despite it being a laptop, and only having a dual core CPU and a crappy discrete card, I can still game okayish, I was playing GTA IV on it the other day. As Laptops start to become better equipped and the differences shorten, there will be no need for desktop towers for anything but video editing or music editing, and even then, most of thsoe are built into desks. LAptops will hold up just fine with gaming at the moment, even the non expensive ones, so where for now the performance is less, in the near future there will be a time where laptops and PC's will be on par. The towers are becoming obsolete as modern housing is becoming smaller and technology is progressing so we can have better things with lower power and a lower form factor.

 

You forget about one thing. The monitors. I don't want a 15" or 17" screen from a laptop. I want a bigger one, from 23" to 27". The monitor connects to the powerful gaming tower, connected to a mouse and keyboard, or even a controller once in a while. Well.. wasn't that what Valve thought, lets bring the pc gaming to the living room inside a box. Much like the consoles, which are kinda pc too. I'm not sure how the technology evolved for cooling laptops on hours upon hours of gaming, or any other demanding work.

 

 

If my £400 laptop can quite easily connect to a 60" tv for gaming with a simple HDMI cable, there's always gonna be work arounds, yes the elitists wont want a 15" screen, but the casuals, who'll use their laptop for things other than gaming, but are able to game on it, wont care at all.

 

Laptop's main problem is that they have to underclock all the components to deal with the heat and until some new kind of technology arrives they won't be able to get around that problem.

[EVOLUT7ON]

 

and whats about an ATVS

Dat engrish. You do know that is just the plural for All-Terrain Vehicle right?

 

EDIT:

 

Btw, it's called Hunter, not "Attack helicopters".

 

Nope(

[Shiiimmy]

Lol, this topic is getting ridiculous ... PC market decline ... puff, please.

 

It's been one or two days that I didn't come in this topic. Guess I didn't miss much.

So I'll keep my distance of these bs discussions and just wait for the announcement some day (or not).

 

 

You won. Ok, Sam?

 

[chrisscorsese88]

Any news on when this is coming out? It's annoying to not have a date for it.

 

When one of us knows, the whole forum will know. Trust me, as soon as Rockstar announces the release date, I'm sure we'll all know right away.

Edited April 28, 2014 by chrisscorsese88

[PoppYourHead]

 

@Raavi , while what you say is logic and possible I have a question, will intel,amd,nvidia etc will go to the mobile market? no more gaming rigs? will the mouse and keyboard die? qwerty? :-) interesting stuff.. but it just doesn't seem likely to me, mobile is mobile. a PC is a PC.

You have to bear in mind that the first PCs to hit the market were only able to store a couple hundred of MB, now roughly 20-30 years later we have civilian-use devices smaller than pocket books that are easily able to store 10+ Terabytes, military equipment exponentially*π[/size] that amount. Not to mention the incredible jump in processing power we have experienced in the last 60/70 some years. The very first computers occupied large rooms with towers and towers of equipment just to be able to do the simplest calculations. Now we have pocket devices that are infinitely more able. The world of technology is always moving, always progressing, it's only a matter of time before we are able to shrink high-end computing rigs down to pocket sized devices. As for your questions. Intel, AMD, NVDIA and tech other giants are already active very much so on the smart-device market, their involvement will only increase over the next years as smart devices (read: not specifically smartphones) become more and more prevalent and advanced. Mouse and keyboard in some form or another will exist as long as we aren't able to easily control and execute complex tasks with our bodies, when that is completely depends on how fast things progress. That could be within the next 50 years, but it also could be however unlikely 10 years from now. What can you take away from this that is relevant to GTA V on PC, is that it is very much possible that in 10-25 years time we no longer need expensive graphics cards and processors, but are able to run it on devices 1/10 the size if not smaller of current day PCs.

 

In other words, Evolution. :-)

 

Actually PC's already began changing, look at the new iMac Pro. That new state of the art shape..

[cp1dell]

So yeah guys...

Uh...

 

How about whether or not Rockstar has abandoned the PC platform?

(Even though they haven't)

 

Edited April 28, 2014 by cp1dell

[Geralt of Rivia]

Raavi, it is absolutely amazing how nobody can grasp what you're trying to say. It really is.

[DaRkL3AD3R]

The fact that GTA IV and possibly LA Noire, not sure, still haven't been patched to remove GFWL is reason enough for me to believe they have abandoned PC.

 

Wait no that's wrong.

 

The fact that Rockstar haven't even MENTIONED anything regarding the soon to occur destruction of GFWL and it's massive impact on their PC games, is more than enough reason to believe they have abandoned the PC platform.

 

Furthermore taking into account the deadly silence regarding V and PC is without question overkill to their abandonment of PC gamers.

 

They have yet to reveal anything in the last 3 years that would indicate otherwise. And no, Max Payne 3 is not relevant here because it was made wholly from scratch by a studio who's only purpose for many years WAS PC ports.

[deegee]

As far as you have stated, you're just a small game developer so I doubt you know anything too much about performance on these consoles.

 

And for your information, do you even know what a port is?

 

You should not denigrate or be condescending to people that you do not know.

If you did read my earlier posts you would know that I stated that I work for, and have worked with, multiple AAA studios, on console, PC, and Mac platforms.

 

I do know what a port is, by its actual meaning, not the false or stretched meaning that is loosely thrown around forums.

Additional third-party reference at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porting#Porting_in_gaming :

"However, more and more video games are now being developed using software that can output code for one or more consoles as well as for a PC without the need for actual porting."

 

As I stated previously, none of the studios that I know personally actually "port" anymore for their multi-platform releases.

Edited April 28, 2014 by deegee

[xreppiz]

So ggguys,

 

What would happen if 'yes' they're abandoned? or what would if 'not'?

 

Heck with this, they're abandoned or not,

 

Even God want to play on pc version, if God are gamer, i'm serious.

 

no pc version = blasphemy f*ckers.

 

 

Lol, this topic is getting ridiculous ... PC market decline ... puff, please.

 

It's been one or two days that I didn't come in this topic. Guess I didn't miss much.

So I'll keep my distance of these bs discussions and just wait for the announcement some day (or not).

 

 

You won. Ok, Sam?

 

 

it's just matter of desire, everyone have their own desire. pc are dying = bullcrap.

 

/f*ck logic, wheres gta5 pc verson hh.

Edited April 28, 2014 by xreppiz

[Osho]

I just said that I lost my hope about a PC version.

 

Yes, and expect ^*editexcept the first para, rest of the matter was not aimed especially towards you, but on topic.

 

Quoting you, just to clear the confusion and never wanted to offend you in the first place.

 

 

Edited April 28, 2014 by Osho

[deegee]

The golden age of PC towers is long over.

 

A comment, not disagreement:

I see a lot of gamers moving to mini mATX boxes or mini-ITX form factor.

 

Edited April 28, 2014 by deegee

[Midnightz]

*cough* I've yet to find a tablet, laptop, or mini form factor computer that can do what my desktop can do... and it's 6 years old. Only the video card is newer. It's powerful and reliable. Why? One word: Cooling. No, those tiny machines can't cool and vent properly or stay quiet. My desktop can. Why: The tower itself is part of the active and passive cooling system. As for the technical prowess of these popular devices, I continue to be unimpressed by their hardware. I'm sorry but we're a long way off from micro components that are affordable and cutting edge. If anything, I see the opposite happening: Look at desktop video cards. They just keep getting more and more massive in terms of physical size.

 

The only reason for the decline in PC sales is because casual users don't need them. Their smartphone is good enough to check email and surf the web. But those who do development work on a PC continue to use them just as those who need a robust machine, will continue to buy or build them. I can't imagine doing half of my projects on what I consider a toy. F--k no.

 

Anyway... I'm sure V will come to PC, just as every other popular GTA did. It seems R* is doing their usual scheduled releases. I'm not worried or impatient. Excited is a better fit.

[lh1]

so I'm back anything new ?

[Antaxi]

so I'm back anything new ?

nope. dead silence

[Limiter]

*cough* I've yet to find a tablet, laptop, or mini form factor computer that can do what my desktop can do... and it's 6 years old. Only the video card is newer. It's powerful and reliable. Why? One word: Cooling. No, those tiny machines can't cool and vent properly or stay quiet. My desktop can. Why: The tower itself is part of the active and passive cooling system. As for the technical prowess of these popular devices, I continue to be unimpressed by their hardware. I'm sorry but we're a long way off from micro components that are affordable and cutting edge. If anything, I see the opposite happening: Look at desktop video cards. They just keep getting more and more massive in terms of physical size.

 

The only reason for the decline in PC sales is because casual users don't need them. Their smartphone is good enough to check email and surf the web. But those who do development work on a PC continue to use them just as those who need a robust machine, will continue to buy or build them. I can't imagine doing half of my projects on what I consider a toy. F--k no.

 

Anyway... I'm sure V will come to PC, just as every other popular GTA did. It seems R* is doing their usual scheduled releases. I'm not worried or impatient. Excited is a better fit.

 

That is what I wanted to say.

 

Its easy to get confused with two different market here. Some people just buy devices to do basic things such as running business softwares, checking email, surfing the web, printing documents ect. Those can be accomplished with small and flat desktops as well as other small technologies such as laptops.

 

But their is another market that REALLY would need towers. You look at personal workstations (eg Intel Xeon and Nvidia Quadro) and true gaming PC. Those will never get smaller in the foreseeable future because a lot of their internal hardware requires that amount of space to become that powerful.

 

In short, there are two markets with two audience base. In the past with lower technology, the industry basically had towers for desktop. So BOTH audience had to buy the tower. Nowadays, there are choices so some of the audience left to buy the newer choice of smaller computers because they don't need that size to honk up the space. That is why it looked like that the tower audience base is shrinking and the golden age over. BUT the tower itself isn't over yet, you still need that size if you are part of that audience that requires it.

[Midnightz]

As I write this, my roommate is borrowing my desktop because she doesn't feel like writing a research paper on her laptop, lol. (And that's a simple task folks.) Oh crap, my iPod's battery is dying again - a half hour ago it was overheating with just this web page loaded on it. I'd bust out my Android tablet but I don't feel like waiting for the f--ker to boot. Goodnight folks.