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[genon312]

That's a common misconception, products don't get produced and released just because they can turn a profit. No, it is imperative they are more than lucrative enough and meet a certain set of requirements. With the PC market on the decline and the already minority consumer base the PC platform presents, this is a question of if and not when. I'm playing Devil's advocate here but the smarter business decision would be to put the money into developing a new installment of one of their blockbuster titles for console. As that would generate x times the revenue a GTA V PC version every could. I can see GTA V coming to PC somewhere down the pike but as it stands now I don't see this happening anytime soon.

 

 

 

Actually the PC market is growing, MOBAs and others exclusives are bringing more and more players to the PC.

 

Look at Steam, how many times Rockstar games run out of keys on Steam just this year.

The time where PC gamers would pirate everything is gone, now is a market to consider , just like the next-gen. And just to show it, there's DayZ with almost 2 millions copies sold in alpha and in least than a year.

 

Ubisoft is there too to proof what I'm saying, every single game that they announced for this year is coming to pc too and the games that were exclusives for console they just ported for pc. And as a company the port was not just to make costumers happy, it was made to profit.

 

And as a last argument, recent article at GameSport of an analyst talking about pc games making more money than a console game:

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/pc-games-make-more-money-than-console-games-analyst-says/1100-6419241/

 

Btw, my english is not that good, so sorry for any mistakes.

 

 

 

 

(first post here btw)

Edited April 27, 2014 by genon312

[Raavi]

 

[...] With the PC market on the decline [...]

I want to see clear sources for this.

There are tons of reports on the internet showing an increase in PC gaming, especially in relation to Steam.

 

 

I'm talking about the PC market, as in sales of new PCs. That is on the decline and not just a little, 2013 was the worst year in history for PC sales. Whilst PC gaming might be climbing in sales for a huge part thanks to MOBA games and emerging markets, this isn't something that will always be, especially not with the rapid decline of the PC market and the constant push for alternatives. As for steam, steam is a distribution platform that can be carried over to any platform.

 

Ravi, you are wrong. gaming pc's will never be the size of mobiles nor consoles. The hardware will just be nore powerful the size will be the same. Same with consoles never being better than any highend gaming pc. Consoles change so do pc's.

 

Because f*ck everything recent history has proven and the rapid increase in technologic developments, right? IBM and other tech giants are constantly developing new ways to put more processing power and storage capacity on smaller and smaller devices. The golden age of PC towers is long over.

Edited April 27, 2014 by Raavi

[DaRkL3AD3R]

I really gotta agree about the PC market going down hard. Between consoles and tablets, the casual consumer has no need for a powerful gaming computer. That market (PC gaming) was already really small but as technology shifts to a more casual market, the incentive for developers to waste resources supporting PC will shrink and shrink.

 

I really want to see V on PC, but at this point it's not looking good. Let's hope we get something exciting to turn things around at e3.

[FeedMeCheese]

PC as a whole is by no means dying. Sales of pre-built PC's are diminishing, and that's probably true. People who just want to browse Facebook and play casual games have smartphones and tablets now. PC's nowadays mostly cover high-end gaming, where the large majority of users buy their parts separately, and build their rigs themselves. So PC gaming isn't dying out, hell, look at League of Legends, the most played game in the world and I'm not seeing that on any other system, but most "gaming pc's" are high-end and built by hand, something that a casual user wouldn't do.

Edited April 27, 2014 by FeedMeCheese

[Cr!minal]

Most people are consumers, they'll buy devices to consume media and tablet/smartphone devices are enough for them.

People who actually create content or do some serious work need more powerful hardware (read: real PC's), but they are minority and there's even smaller number of enthusiasts.

Edited April 27, 2014 by Cr!minal

[Antaxi]

PC as a whole is by no means dying. Sales of pre-built PC's are diminishing, and that's probably true. People who just want to browse Facebook and play casual games have smartphones and tablets now. PC's nowadays mostly cover high-end gaming, where the large majority of users buy their parts separately, and build their rigs themselves. So PC gaming isn't dying out, hell, look at League of Legends, the most played game in the world and I'm not seeing that on any other system, but most "gaming pc's" are high-end and built by hand, something that a casual user wouldn't do.

or look dota2 its played in, 80mil. now very impressive numbers

[FeedMeCheese]

 

PC as a whole is by no means dying. Sales of pre-built PC's are diminishing, and that's probably true. People who just want to browse Facebook and play casual games have smartphones and tablets now. PC's nowadays mostly cover high-end gaming, where the large majority of users buy their parts separately, and build their rigs themselves. So PC gaming isn't dying out, hell, look at League of Legends, the most played game in the world and I'm not seeing that on any other system, but most "gaming pc's" are high-end and built by hand, something that a casual user wouldn't do.

or look dota2 its played in, 80mil. now very impressive numbers

 

To be honest, I don't think 315,967,516 PC vendor shipments in a year is that bad. Especially due to the fact that they don't mention custom built PC's...

[genon312]

To be honest, I don't think 315,967,516 PC vendor shipments in a year is that bad. Especially due to the fact that they don't mention custom built PC's...

Agreed. And the objetive for Rockstar is to sell Software product not Hardware. So the number of shipments of the pre-built pc's don't have nothing with the Market part that R* is involved.

[Raavi]

Most people are consumers, they'll buy devices to consume media and tablet/smartphone devices are enough for them.

 

This hits the nail on the head

 

PC as a whole is by no means dying. Sales of pre-built PC's are diminishing, and that's probably true. People who just want to browse Facebook and play casual games have smartphones and tablets now. PC's nowadays mostly cover high-end gaming, where the large majority of users buy their parts separately, and build their rigs themselves. So PC gaming isn't dying out, hell, look at League of Legends, the most played game in the world and I'm not seeing that on any other system, but most "gaming pc's" are high-end and built by hand, something that a casual user wouldn't do.

 

The people who want to do that make for the vast majority of consumers, and the majority rules. A platform like PC can't survive solely on gaming, less and less home PCs are getting sold which means less and less revenue for the big players on the PC market which are instrumental in its survival. They won't keep pouring money into a slowly dying market for ever. Don't get me wrong, the function isn't going away, just the specific device. For years, that device was the PC a very clearly defined generally purpose computing system, and that era is ending. Resulting in a shift in PC gaming, there is no way of knowing if that will be within the next 5 or 10 years. But alternative devices will become more and more prevalent and will definitely end up on top. You'll still be able to game with the quality you've come to expect from gaming rigs today, you will just be using a different, perhaps specialized device.

 

 

Agreed. And the objetive for Rockstar is to sell Software product not Hardware. So the number of shipments of the pre-built pc's don't have nothing with the Market part that R* is involved.

 

Au contraire mon fréré. Wether or not according to their sales projections the intended market is too small and condensed to reach their target, will definitely have an impact on their decision.

Edited April 27, 2014 by Raavi

[sjaak327]

 

 

PC as a whole is by no means dying. Sales of pre-built PC's are diminishing, and that's probably true. People who just want to browse Facebook and play casual games have smartphones and tablets now. PC's nowadays mostly cover high-end gaming, where the large majority of users buy their parts separately, and build their rigs themselves. So PC gaming isn't dying out, hell, look at League of Legends, the most played game in the world and I'm not seeing that on any other system, but most "gaming pc's" are high-end and built by hand, something that a casual user wouldn't do.

or look dota2 its played in, 80mil. now very impressive numbers

 

To be honest, I don't think 315,967,516 PC vendor shipments in a year is that bad. Especially due to the fact that they don't mention custom built PC's...

 

Custom build pc's are nothing but a rounding error. The consumer part of PC sales is in sharp decline, the decline of PC hardware sales is partially remedied by enterprise sales, which naturally is a market where PC games aren't being played. The decline of PC shipments started about two years ago, and if it wouldn't be for sales to enterprises the decline would have amounted to over 20% instead of 14% decline that was recorded a year ago. It is businesses that ensure PC hardware sales are not going off a clip.

 

People that believe the best for PC gaming is yet to come are dreaming.

Edited April 27, 2014 by sjaak327

[MD_Shardul]

....IMHO R*'s best move now is to simply keep quiet and don't release any PC platform version. It is simply too late.

The abysmal sales caused by the delay will not cover PC platform support and patching or server costs.

 

At this point, I totally agree with this advice. R* should keep the game to themselves. Because it looks like in their POV we are just insignificant and in my POV the game is just not worth this long wait (which I think is not going to be over anytime soon).

 

But at least have the courtesy to come out and say 'NO PC VERSION of GTA V'. At least I won't keep on living on some false hope and spend the money I've saved for this one stupid game on some other stupid game. (Come on puppy.. Let's go for a walk.)

 

EDIT: Oops! Sry I think my post came out at a wrong time.

Edited April 27, 2014 by MD_Shardul

[TheGoodSgtScooter]

Zentorno: 500-700K

Massacro: 200-350K

Thrust (Ungh!): 10-25K

Huntley ((If it comes out): 75-120K

[Blacklist79]

I wish we had flamethrower and chainsaw

And R*! MORE MUSCLE CARS ffs

[genon312]

Au contraire mon fréré. Wether or not according to their sales projections the intended market is too small and condensed to reach their target, will definitely have an impact on their decision.

Sure. But the PC gaming part appears to be growing.

Steam, Nvidia and AMD revenues are going to grow this year, according to analysts.

In my opinion everything can happen, Rockstar can look to PC as a profitable platform or not. Just depend on their business model, if it looks to be profitable for them so they will probably launch the PC version, if it's not they will just thrown away the project (if there's one) and keep on with their business at next/current gen.

 

But I still believe (and hope) that the possibility of the PC version to be launched is big, but like I said, it's a possibility not a truth.

[jimmycakes]

The PC is dying myth is pushed by people who don't know any better. Wargaming net has had 60 million users alone, then you have DOTA, League of Legends who between them have tens of millions of active users, and they're just some of the popular games.

Edited April 27, 2014 by jimmycakes

[Raavi]

The PC is dying myth is pushed by people who don't know any better. Wargaming net has had 60 million users alone, then you have DOTA, League of Legends who between them have tens of millions of active users, and they're just some of the popular games.

 

You really did not read anything of this whole discussion before barging in, did you? It isn't a myth, it's supported by the numbers and basic logic, technology doesn't halt just to cater to nostalgia. Nobody is arguing the functionality that offers a platform for the aforementioned games is dying, no. But the device, the PC (tower) for home use is.

Edited April 27, 2014 by Raavi

[MaGnEz]

Raavi, personally it is not dying, sales might be decreasing thats all, high end gaming pc are a niche market. Not everyone can afford a £2000 machine compared to a <£500 console. Niche market not dying, big diffrence.

Edited April 27, 2014 by MaGnEz

[xreppiz]

 

....IMHO R*'s best move now is to simply keep quiet and don't release any PC platform version. It is simply too late.

The abysmal sales caused by the delay will not cover PC platform support and patching or server costs.

 

At this point, I totally agree with this advice. R* should keep the game to themselves. Because it looks like in their POV we are just insignificant and in my POV the game is just not worth this long wait (which I think is not going to be over anytime soon).

 

But at least have the courtesy to come out and say 'NO PC VERSION of GTA V'. At least I won't keep on living on some false hope and spend the money I've saved for this one stupid game on some other stupid game. (Come on puppy.. Let's go for a walk.)

 

EDIT: Oops! Sry I think my post came out at a wrong time.

 

no pc version ?cmon?

 

If no pc version, it feel like it's not a complete game, without pc version it's like an unfinished game.

 

Pc version = a fully finished game. Gta5 must have a pc version.

 

Has Rockstar abandoned the PC platform??

 

Maybe, but if not,

pc version = you complete me.

 

it's simple. because i need. you complete me.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 27, 2014 by xreppiz

[Andreas]

Sure. But the PC gaming part appears to be growing.

Steam, Nvidia and AMD revenues are going to grow this year, according to analysts.

The PC market is declining but PC gaming is increasingly becoming popular, that's right. Steam is one of the most important factors for gaming on the platform, it's just a question how long the development of the current situation will continue. Mobile gaming is becoming more popular with every day that goes by, but it doesn't exactly replace console or PC gaming because it's something entirely different. Analysts predict a grow in revenue for the companies you mentioned, but they are just that: analysts. Whether it's going to happen is another story. To be fair though, it sounds quite logical to me. A new console generation means more people will upgrade their PCs, which means more revenue for manufacturers like AMD and nVidia. Not to forget that AMD hardware is used in the PS4 and Xbone, so it's a given in this case. Steam will more than likely continue to grow, like they did the last few years.

 

On another note, I still think there is no reason to doubt the existence of a PC version. It will eventually release. It's just a matter of time and merely depends on for how long GTAO will remain to be Rockstar's focus. There is still enough stuff they have to push out, which they promised for quite some time now, so it makes sense that they haven't talked about it yet.

[Zee]

Forget the PC, it feels like R* has abandoned GTAV all together.

[Alvarez]

The promises will be enough to keep you playing...

[CookinSmokeey]

okay... next T2 call on May13 it not so far

well'see

 

Someone will ask about GTA V - PC..

 

Their answer : We no have any announcement about that..

[Ash_735]

 

okay... next T2 call on May13 it not so far

well'see

Someone will ask about GTA V - PC..

 

Their answer : We no have any announcement about that..

 

And just like last time, people here will blame and bitch at Take2, despite them just sitting back and letting Rockstar do whatever they want.

[Raavi]

And just like last time, people here will blame and bitch at Take2, despite them just sitting back and letting Rockstar do whatever they want.

 

There is nothing you can do. Petitions are a joke, they've already raked in 1B+ in console sales, GTAO milking is going great. There is nothing pressing them to release a PC version.

Edited April 27, 2014 by Raavi

[Sam779]

The PC market is declining but PC gaming is increasingly becoming popular, that's right.

[CookinSmokeey]

 

And just like last time, people here will blame and bitch at Take2, despite them just sitting back and letting Rockstar do whatever they want.

 

There is nothing you can do. Petitions are a joke, they've already raked in 1B+ in console sales, GTAO milking is going great. There is nothing pressing them to release a PC version.

 

 

Answer of ; Why am I hating Take Two..

[kj2022]

Raavi, personally it is not dying, sales might be decreasing thats all, high end gaming pc are a niche market. Not everyone can afford a £2000 machine compared to a <£500 console. Niche market not dying, big diffrence.

 

He's not saying PC Gaming is over, he's saying the PC Tower is, you can get laptops around the same price of a high end PC rig and get equal performance now, chips are becoming smaller and less power dependent with more processing power behind them, meaning a high end PC rig wont always be a massive tower. The size will change, but the media will still exist.

[LawasDS]

 

And just like last time, people here will blame and bitch at Take2, despite them just sitting back and letting Rockstar do whatever they want.

 

There is nothing you can do. Petitions are a joke, they've already raked in 1B+ in console sales, GTAO milking is going great. There is nothing pressing them to release a PC version.

 

 

Sad but true.

[r34ld34l]

Okey Raavi and all other people that say that PC is declining...
There is a difference betwen companies that sell PC as whole and actually components sell that PC is all about.

http://www.businessinsider.com/pc-market-shrank-7-last-quarter-2014-1
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/04/11/as-pc-gaming-popularity-keeps-climbing-hardware-sales-down/
HP, Lenovo, etc. (ASUS motherboards are still at top of selling motherboards,):

vs.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/02/19/pc-gpu-market-bounces-back-with-nvidia-up-and-amd-down/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2088454/as-it-misses-earnings-target-intel-talks-up-pc-sales.html


And people don't know how PC sale works, ehm I mean component sale. Most of PC gamers buy their own components or go to companies that custom build PCs, and not HP or any other similiar company that are good for factories, offices, etc. PC Gamers do not care about them, we care about actual component, most of PC gamers buy new GPU every 2-3 years, or whole new rig each 5 or so years. Whoever buys PC from the shelf is not a gamer and/or shouldn't be counted as "gamer" but as usually internet/Facebook user.
Of course PC sales are declining, because most people have PC and don't need new one for 7 or more years for downloading porn. While we PC gamers, we will support our favourite PC component maker, let that be Intel or AMD, nVidia or AMD, ASUS or Gigabyte, these people should be counted as potential buyers, and not those people that buy PC and have it for P2P.


PC will never die. Who uses laptop or touchpad for any actual work? Nobody.

Edited April 27, 2014 by r34ld34l

[Raavi]

PC will never die. Who uses laptop or touchpad for any actual work? Nobody.

 

PC as in the tower will die and is already on the decline, the functionality however won't, it will only evolve. As for your assumption, I work in the financial sector and trade on the side, the majority of my work is done on laptops and gradually smart devices are becoming much more prevalent. Same goes for a lot of other industries. In any case the tower has had its best time. As technology progresses computing devices for professional use will become much smaller. "PC" gaming will still exist, you just won't need a large tower anymore.

Edited April 27, 2014 by Raavi