Is PC Gaming doomed?

[Wolf247]

Hi guys, I don't post around here, but whatever.

So my question is: Is PC Gaming doomed with it's upcoming Smartphone-like games?

Well, Minecraft and GTA adapted to these changes, and so did Assasin's Creed (but I'm not sure if it's an official game, but it's sh*tty anyways). I'm talking about for other game franchises, like Battlefield, Call of Duty, Metal Gear, Need for Speed, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and some games specifically designed for PC, like Half-Life, Counter-Strike, The Sims, ArmA, Civilization etc, etc.

So my question is:

Will the game companies just say F*ck this sh*t, I'm earning a lot of money on Xbox titles anyways, make it compact to the platform, either by saving the same PC experience or release games made for phones on the Windows Store, or will maybe Windows make a Gaming OS (tho they don't have to because they made Xbox)?

So what do you think people?

[iNero]

Why "will they"?

Thes already this for years. They make so much more money with consoles

[Mista J]

No. Steam has gained millions of more users in recent years. Plus a lot of console gamers are jumping ship to PC gaming. PC gaming will never die.

 

Now when Gaming companies say "We're giving the devs the tools for next gen blah blah blah" it's bullsh*t. Stuff you see on next gen consoles have been on PCs for years.

 

Now one can understand why companies prefer consoles, it's because you have one set hardware standard instead of millions of combinations that PC Gamers might have.

Edited March 31, 2014 by DarthShinobi

[FranklinDeRoosevelt]

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Proof please. There's 160 million Xbox and PS3 users at the moment, so PC does not beat that. Console fanbase is way bigger. Next gen doesn't count because they only came out November.

 

On to the point though, PC gaming won't die.

Edited March 31, 2014 by FranklinDeRoosevelt

[Mista J]

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Proof please. There's 160 million Xbox and PS3 users at the moment, so PC does not beat that. Console fanbase is way bigger. Next gen doesn't count because they only came out November.

 

On to the point though, PC gaming won't die.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/1/15/5312550/steam-gained-10m-new-users-in-three-months

 

There you go, Steam has 75 million users, then you have to take into count of the other PC gamers that don't use Steam.

 

And why are you going about it like I said PC Gaming has a larger fan base?

Edited March 31, 2014 by DarthShinobi

[iNero]

There can be so much PC players. That doesnt mean that its bigger than console gaming. Almost everyone has a PC, including the console gamers. That doesnt mean that the PC is good enough to play recent games with it or play with it at all.

 

Those statistics include facebook game too btw.

[FranklinDeRoosevelt]

 

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Proof please. There's 160 million Xbox and PS3 users at the moment, so PC does not beat that. Console fanbase is way bigger. Next gen doesn't count because they only came out November.

 

On to the point though, PC gaming won't die.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/1/15/5312550/steam-gained-10m-new-users-in-three-months

 

There you go, Steam has 75 million users, then you have to take into count of the other PC gamers that don't use Steam.

 

Good lad

 

But what about the fact that a lot of them ALSO have gaming consoles?

[Mista J]

 

 

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Proof please. There's 160 million Xbox and PS3 users at the moment, so PC does not beat that. Console fanbase is way bigger. Next gen doesn't count because they only came out November.

 

On to the point though, PC gaming won't die.

 

http://www.polygon.com/2014/1/15/5312550/steam-gained-10m-new-users-in-three-months

There you go, Steam has 75 million users, then you have to take into count of the other PC gamers that don't use Steam.

 

Good lad

 

But what about the fact that a lot of them ALSO have gaming consoles?

Then we also look at the fact that how many of those 160 million console users are the same person that bought both the PS3 and the Xbox 360. Which could be a HUGE amount. Edited March 31, 2014 by DarthShinobi

[FranklinDeRoosevelt]

Ya, that's true as well. At least I ain't on that list

[BLOOD]

GTA started in PC and PS1 back in 1997 and every installment have been on PC (excluding LCS,VCS and Chinatown Wars) except for GTA5 so that tells you that somethings is wrong with the PC gaming community.

 

Edit:Plus none of the Red Dead Games have been on PC esp. RDR.

Edited March 31, 2014 by Blood-Is-in-Diamond

[Mista J]

Nothing is wrong with the PC community. Rockstar just likes being c*nts to them. If I was a developer, I'd love for modders (the good ones) to have my game, it gives my game more exposure. Just look at DayZ, it made a sh*t ton of people buy ArmA 2.

[t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m]

PC offers features that consoles don't, such as modding capabilities and far more games that any of the consoles will ever come close to. Until they release a console that is capable of outperforming a PC, I just can't see it dying off.

[trip]

They have been predicting the death of PC gaming ever since the birth of PC gaming. It will not die...nor will the desktop PC with full keyboard and other input(mouse) devices.

 

From where I sit it seems to be living a happier life these days then it has in the no so distant past. It seems that there are very few AAA titles that don't get a superior PC release.

Edited April 1, 2014 by trip

[I cucked Alex Jones]

In addition to what Trip said, the indie market exclusively thrives on the PC.

[GTA3Rockstar]

Nope but piracy definitely hurts it, that's for sure.

 

I just have a decent computer to play other games that aren't on consoles, otherwise I like playing on a big screen on my couch.

Edited April 1, 2014 by GTA3Rockstar

[trip]

The piracy thing has been endlessly debated. There are so many camps and beliefs that I swear I don't know where I sit on as to whether it effects company margins any more than other platforms. We know it does to a degree - it's just like how physical retail stores are aware and allow for inventory shrinkage. That is why Steam, Origin and other forms of digital distribution are cool.

 

I don't get [almost] all of my games digitally because I want to be earth conscious or anything, I get all my sh*t digitally(both pc and console) because I'm lazy. Think about the savings companies must see by having less of a physical media footprint. Through the years they have been able to cut down on the amount of discs to press, jewel cases to fill, j cards, boxes, manuals and other sh*t to print...men and man hours to do all that...fuel and maintenance on transportation. Today I'm willing to bet that they see larger profit margins even with shrinkage/piracy being a part of business.

 

 

Oh hey, you know I love playing on my big screen all cozy on the couch. I may be newish to the console world, but I quickly embraced that joy. Then again I'm also the same person who thinks the console version of Bioshock Infinite is an embarrassment to the game while the PC version is a wide eyed, jaw dropping experience.

[Mista J]

Piracy is huge on consoles as well just look on craigslist for Wii mods, I think Wii U mods too. When I used to go to Mexico, Guadalajara to be exact. There was a weekly swap meet in the street where one of my buddy's lives and it's stand after stand of pirated games. Hell I've talked to people on other forums that have said the only way to get fair priced games where he lives is pirated games.

[OysterBarron]

Pc and console gaming are so interconnected.

 

Don't get me wrong but I don't think one of us can actually accurately predict the future and I don't pretend I can either.

 

The whole reasons the consoles are running the hardware they are using at the moment is because of pc users purchasing loads of the components originally so company's over time can refine there manufacturing process that in turn brings down the cost of the components. That then makes it feasible for company's like sony Microsoft and Nintendo to actually make a console they can make some sort of money back on at some point through its lifetime.

 

So if it wasn't for pc users pushing for new cards and more powerful components console development would be to hugely expensive and consoles may not even exist.

 

My point is both medians are intertwined if pc dies then so shall the consoles in there current form. The interesting thing though is if consoles flopped tommorow pc gaming may carry on albeit without as many AAA titles.

 

Like I said though I can't predict the future but android components could take over in time but for now I can't see that happening soon especially after the reception of the Ouya.

Edited April 1, 2014 by oysterbarron

[El Dildo]

PC gaming is not doomed.

it's never really been doomed but that hasn't stopped people from saying it for the past 10 years...

[Django Fett]

When you think about it. It might be true. I mean games are starting to get harder to run on unless you have the best PC specs sometimes. The economy sucks and the job market fails for average people. In the future PC parts are going to be higher price because games are going to run on PC's not even this generation can play on. Unless the job market gets fit then PC gaming can technally "die" as no one will have money to buy the best PC parts.

[Johan]

It's not doomed but will continue to get a little bit of shrugs from developers, piracy is something that's making developing PC games a big risk nowadays.

 

Either way, PC gaming will still live on

[Otter]

It's an irrational fear of innovation that's fueling this sort of paranoia. The 'smartphone-like' ganes that you're talking about (examples, please) ARE PC games.

[Mista J]

When you think about it. It might be true. I mean games are starting to get harder to run on unless you have the best PC specs sometimes. The economy sucks and the job market fails for average people. In the future PC parts are going to be higher price because games are going to run on PC's not even this generation can play on. Unless the job market gets fit then PC gaming can technally "die" as no one will have money to buy the best PC parts.

You do know that you don't need an $800 video card to run games on high, right?

[FullMetal]

Piracy on PC is as much a risk as piracy on consoles. People need to stop with the bullsh*t arguments.

 

Same with piracy being bad for music artists... a sh*tton of music artists have their fame to thank for torrents and internet (illegal) downloads. And they eventually get profit (not from all of them but a big part) from these guys actually buying merchandising/going to concerts and whatnot.

 

Same with gaming. I'm not denying that there are people out there who strictly go for the 'All download, no pay' route. But I believe the majority of people who pirate games are actually people who also spend their cash on games eventually. Demos are rare these days (especially compared to say 10 years ago) and people want to test before they buy.

 

But going way offtopic, this isn't about (videogame) piracy this is about PC gaming being dead. PC has no gaemz, PC has no gamers only neckbeard brony losers who pirate stuff and play minecraft, all the worthwhile games and genres are superior on consoles so why bother?

 

 

 

 

 

wow such srs

[Daz]

Regardless of the conversation at hand, I personally am more inclined to go PC only from now on. I feel that many others just like me, feel that the next gen consoles really didn't offer what we wanted, and that the fact they came out so close to eachother and being so similar and having a lot of friends on one console now switch to another, it only makes the jump so much harder to leave your current console behind.

 

I just feel soured by it all and all the bullsh*t xbox was kicking out, feeling like I had no other alternative than to go for PS4, but even that, doesn't feel like it is nessasary right now. Why not just stay on the 360 for interaction with your friends, then buy next gen titles on PC and be done with it.

 

And for me, AAA titles are beginning to show a lot of weakness and favortism towards casual gamers that end up ruining a game for me. So I will move on to more core indie developed games. That is another aspect that the PC has above consoles, at least for now.

 

Early access games may not be 100% a great idea, however they don't require 3 years to get released and that means there will be more emerging and are ever changing. Keeping you occupied.

 

Unless they can find some decent standardization with the steam boxes, I don't see the PC market going anywhere but up.

 

 

 

And on the piracy subject, I honestly believe that it is complete bullsh*t. If you offer something free to someone a lot of people are going to take it, but that has NO bearing on if they would have bought it at full price. If it was good enough they would go out and buy it. Otherwise they aren't bothered enough to spend money on it, they would just go without if that option wasn't there.

Edited April 1, 2014 by Daz

[Pat]

Piracy on PC is as much a risk as piracy on consoles. People need to stop with the bullsh*t arguments.

I'd say piracy on PC is more in line with used games on consoles. That's what I find hilarious - these people that always complain about how all PC gamers are just dirty pirates that aren't supporting developers are probably the same people that threw a sh*tfit when they thought the Xbone wasn't going to allow used games. They don't seem to realize that the games' developers aren't getting paid in either circumstance. Yes, you can argue "but that used copy was already bought by someone" but there's still the fact that someone is paying for that same copy when they could be paying for a new one instead, the difference between the two options being that the former involves all of the money going to an unrelated 3rd party (in the majority of cases, proprietors like GameStop) while the latter involves money going to the developers. People bring up "lost sales" when talking about piracy all the time, but in my opinion, a used game is more of a lost sale for developers than a pirated game is. When a game is pirated, you have no way of knowing whether or not that person would have bought it if piracy wasn't an option - when a game is purchased used, however, I think it's a lot easier to assume that they would have purchased a new copy if a used copy wasn't available. Am I saying I'm against used games? No, not necessarily. I just think it's hypocritical to complain about one but not the other. Both cases involve a developer not being supported for their work, and yet somehow, one is more acceptable than the other. That just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

As for the topic at hand, I think it's silly to say PC gaming is dying when consoles are becoming more and more like PCs with every generation. Hell, the latest generation of consoles are running PC-based architecture, and that's going to help PC gaming just as much as it will help console gaming.

 

@Daz: regarding the Steamboxes, they really aren't consoles, they're prebuilt PCs designed to appeal to console users. They're perfectly capable of running different operating systems, having their parts upgraded, and using peripherals like the mouse and keyboard, just like any other PC. Steam's Linux-based OS will be free as well, so you could even make your own Steambox if you felt so inclined. sh*t, once it's released, you could even turn the computer you have right now into a Steambox (although I doubt anyone would be interested in that).

Edited April 1, 2014 by Pat

[Daz]

Yeah I know that, I meant that if they standardize ports, specs and design, we can get some sort of modular device that you can swap and replace parts. (though that would be expensive) but still. If every graphics port was the same and you just plugged it in to replace parts. Not saying that will be cost effective or anything but it would certainly be better than being stuck with the same hardware for 10 years. At least somewhere in 10 years you would be able to afford to upgrade the graphics or ram on a device.

 

And as my edit in my previous post above, I totally agree with you on the piracy issue. People getting something for free is one thing. But I honestly don't believe any of those people would be planning on buying the full price game at release. You cant prove that they aren't just getting stuff just because it is free and trying it out like a demo. If anything I think that spreads the word of a game much better (if the game is actually good) than if nobody pirated it.

 

Blood Dragon got leaked, I grabbed it, thought it was the best game ever, and not only did I buy it when it fully released on 360 and PC, but I also was going around shouting how amazing it was and forcing everyone I know to buy it. In that case, it worked so much in their favor. But if the leak wasn't there I would have still bought it regardless because I wanted it.

 

If I really want a game I will buy it. If it is good, I will buy it multiple times on multiple platforms.

[Wolf247]

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Proof please. There's 160 million Xbox and PS3 users at the moment, so PC does not beat that. Console fanbase is way bigger. Next gen doesn't count because they only came out November.

 

On to the point though, PC gaming won't die.

Um, excuse me, but how did you count your PC gamers, per popular game they buy or via Steam? Either way is wrong, it's quite impossible to count PC gamers, as some of them tune their own machine. Plus, you don't know that the stuff that they play is ancient but still active. And 160 million users of PS3? I'm sorry, but are all of them active? I mean, I could say that there are 2 billion PC gamers if 2 billion people use computers on the Internet, but that's just not precise and always has "holes" in it.

Yeah I know that, I meant that if they standardize ports, specs and design, we can get some sort of modular device that you can swap and replace parts. (though that would be expensive) but still. If every graphics port was the same and you just plugged it in to replace parts. Not saying that will be cost effective or anything but it would certainly be better than being stuck with the same hardware for 10 years. At least somewhere in 10 years you would be able to afford to upgrade the graphics or ram on a device.

 

And as my edit in my previous post above, I totally agree with you on the piracy issue. People getting something for free is one thing. But I honestly don't believe any of those people would be planning on buying the full price game at release. You cant prove that they aren't just getting stuff just because it is free and trying it out like a demo. If anything I think that spreads the word of a game much better (if the game is actually good) than if nobody pirated it.

 

Blood Dragon got leaked, I grabbed it, thought it was the best game ever, and not only did I buy it when it fully released on 360 and PC, but I also was going around shouting how amazing it was and forcing everyone I know to buy it. In that case, it worked so much in their favor. But if the leak wasn't there I would have still bought it regardless because I wanted it.

 

If I really want a game I will buy it. If it is good, I will buy it multiple times on multiple platforms.

Well, I'm a Pirate because it's hard to get original games here, and I really wanted to but the only one I got is MW2. But, is it possible to use a keyboard and mouse on any console (modern day, I'm not talking about NES) so I could buy a console, plug it into my computer screen, plug in my keyboard and mouse, and play?

Piracy on PC is as much a risk as piracy on consoles. People need to stop with the bullsh*t arguments.

 

Same with piracy being bad for music artists... a sh*tton of music artists have their fame to thank for torrents and internet (illegal) downloads. And they eventually get profit (not from all of them but a big part) from these guys actually buying merchandising/going to concerts and whatnot.

 

Same with gaming. I'm not denying that there are people out there who strictly go for the 'All download, no pay' route. But I believe the majority of people who pirate games are actually people who also spend their cash on games eventually. Demos are rare these days (especially compared to say 10 years ago) and people want to test before they buy.

 

But going way offtopic, this isn't about (videogame) piracy this is about PC gaming being dead. PC has no gaemz, PC has no gamers only neckbeard brony losers who pirate stuff and play minecraft, all the worthwhile games and genres are superior on consoles so why bother?

 

 

 

 

 

wow such srs

Well I buy products if I can, but the fact is I don't live in the US neither am I in an EU Country, so it's hard to do so. I'm not sure about steam, my current computer is basically made for PS2 released titles, and those in that time period, so I don't play any newer games.

Piracy is huge on consoles as well just look on craigslist for Wii mods, I think Wii U mods too. When I used to go to Mexico, Guadalajara to be exact. There was a weekly swap meet in the street where one of my buddy's lives and it's stand after stand of pirated games. Hell I've talked to people on other forums that have said the only way to get fair priced games where he lives is pirated games.

There's a DVD store that sells pirated games, but they're rip-offs. I managed to run them, but they're rip off to unexperienced users, but good if you're too lazy to search for one. CoD4 Costed about 5 Euros, and all I needed to do is download Crack.

[Wolf247]

Thanks people, but what do you think will it die off if Windows doesn't make the proper OS for the newest games, and does Windows 8 support newer titles to be played, or even older ones, just does it support games the old fashioned way by popping a disc into it, or downloading it via steam.

[Osho]

So my question is:

 

Will the game companies just say F*ck this sh*t, I'm earning a lot of money on Xbox titles anyways, make it compact to the platform, either by saving the same PC experience or release games made for phones on the Windows Store, or will maybe Windows make a Gaming OS (tho they don't have to because they made Xbox)?

 

Possible. Only, that's happening even today, and it doesn't mean in any sense, that PC Gaming doomed. That's individual choice. There are Companies making multi-platform games while quite a few exceptions go for PC exclusive.

Every game needs - powerful hardware, graphics support and controls to play it.

 

Be it Console or PC, both are capable to run the game.

EXCEPT, PC gives much more freedom to the player. That means, PC Gaming will never see an end, rather, it's the only CHOICE for many classics (old games) that are still played, remembered and improved with the support of modding.

 

So my question is: Is PC Gaming doomed with it's upcoming Smartphone-like games?

 

How? Smartphones suck big time for gaming. They are an option but not a threat to PC Gaming.

 

So what do you think people?

 

Long Live PC. It will remain the Queen and The King of Gaming.