Has GTA gone soft?

[Sir Winthorpe Herrington]

Ok so Michael is a family man and honestly a strange pick for a protag but I do like him, at least more than the others. The thing is..is he GTA..I feel that ambition is the thing that was lacking in all the protags. Sure you can make the argument that the black pussy was fighting hard to escape the ghetto..but he just seemed like a bratty college school boy bitch and not even close to as awesome as Lamar was. Michael was all about trying to get his family to like him by actually accomplishing something but come on this isn't everybody loves f*ckin raymond its GTA and I think these protags lack that motivation or better yet balls. Tommy Vercetti had f*ckin balls and ambition, taking over the town as him was amazing, like a living breathing scarface. CJ has ghetto ambition and it was great going from low ass hood nigga to kingpin. Claude was all into mafia sh*t and dealing with the triads too, it was a nice criminal set. Trevor is just such a pathetic gimmick. They made him go full retard with the whole i'm crazy white trash angle and he really felt like a cheesy joke more than something you could get behind and believe in. I dunno R* should either hire me or martin scorsese to write these things because I just feel they are too soft and weak.

 

I f*cking love GTA and I still think V was a beautiful game, apart from them f*cking up east LA and the gangs. The grove area is nice though. But i dunno I just feel none of them had a bad ass mentality, no tony montana up in them what so ever, no balls. A family man glued to his tv, a black pathetic peon, and a laughing joke of white trash that can't be taken seriously because he is a stereotype run a muck. Anybody else feel V lacked balls?

Edited March 25, 2014 by Sir Winthorpe Herrington

[I will pwn you newbs]

You know who lacks balls? It's CJ. He's probably the biggest pussy of any video game ever.

[Arran B]

Why do you keep referencing to Franklin in a derogatory way by maliciously referring to him as 'that black one'? You sound like you're either stuck in the 1940s or you live in the Deep South. Either way, you sound like a real arsehole.

 

 

RICK JAMES, BITCH!

Edited March 25, 2014 by Arran B

[TheTechPoTaToCHIP]

Yeah, because torture, full frontal nudity (for both male and females) and killing off a protagonist depending on your choices, yeah thats totally going soft......

[Sir Winthorpe Herrington]

Why do you keep referencing to Franklin in a derogatory way by maliciously referring to him as 'that black one'? You sound like you're either stuck in the 1940s or you live in the Deep South. Either way, you sound like a real arsehole.

I'm not racist at all, and honestly you don't even know if i'm black or not. I refer to him as sh*t because that is how I see him. He is always complaining "oh not this again",like he doesn't want to be in it. I think if somebody would of just given Franklin a job at subway he would have been fine and not even in the game.

[Lethal Vaccine]

Soft: Regenerating health, checkpoints in missions, skip entire sections of missions.

[Sir Winthorpe Herrington]

Yeah, because torture, full frontal nudity (for both male and females) and killing off a protagonist depending on your choices, yeah thats totally going soft......

Clearly you don't get it. The things you speak of was done as comedy, it wasn't serious at all, apart from the torture thing, I really liked that but it is honestly the only time I can even think of that Trevor did anything good. His entire character was a white trash joke.

[Sir Winthorpe Herrington]

Soft: Regenerating health, checkpoints in missions, skip entire sections of missions.

I do agree the game is extremely easy, but GTA has never really been much of a challenge and it's not supposed to be hard. It's more about the world, atmosphere, characters, story, just the whole vibe. When I said soft I was referencing the characters themselves.

 

EDIT: Do not double-post, use the Edit-button.

Edited March 25, 2014 by Andreas

[lizardman563]

I hear this "They messed up the gangs N' SouthN'East LA yo!" complaint alot, and I wonder how many of you have ever actually BEEN to Los Angeles.

 

I have news for you, gangs are dead. "Gangs" today are Lil-Wayne listening morons with mainstream apparel and a desire to become the "next big thing." The "real" gangsters are 40 Y.O. old f*cks now. The neighborhoods still look hard but that's just appearance my friend. Wait till you see the people actually in them.

 

You wanna talk about real money-making and the face of crime in LA? Start a corporation. America isn't a country anymore; it's a business. You come here for a few days and you'll drown in corporate advertisements and rehashed bullsh*t selling us the same lies our grandparents fought against. The same old dogma, just in the face of reality TV shows and devices/foods/substances that allow us to waste away our lives searching for something we'll never find. Happiness.

 

....Sorry, went off on one of my tirades there. What were we talking about? Oh yeah. No, GTA V isn't too soft; your vision of "hard" is just unrealistic.

Edited March 25, 2014 by lizardman563

[shattered-minds]

If by "lacking balls" you mean the characters werent the stereotypical, cookie cutter protagonists from the the 3D era, then yes, I'd have to agree with you. However, apart from Franklyn (by far the most cliché, under written and under delevoped chatacter of the trio) GTA V had a much more diverse characters, with different wants and values as oposed to "yeah, let's run this town!"

 

Niko complained a lot, all he wanted was a quiet life in LC after Roman had made out he was rich and living the dream. CJ was not the badass you claim him to be, I think you need to go back and replay San Andreas, he complained a LOT throughout the game. Tommy Vercitti was a "living breathing" Scarface because he was pretty much Scarface cut and pasted from the film into the game. And Claude,well, apart from revenge, who knows what he was thinking or wanted, the guy never spoke.

 

If you don't lke the characters thats fine, but I think you're using the wrong terminology with "lacking balls" and frankly I'm glad they've moved away from the "rags to riches, rule the city" mantra. How many times do you want to hear that story?

Edited March 25, 2014 by shattered-minds

[FranklinDeRoosevelt]

Trevor certainly doesn't lack any balls, by that definition, you're saying every psychopath or mentally unstable people in a mental hospital are scared of other people. If they don't have any balls, imagine yourself. You're probably crying in a corner right now. Over the top characters like Trevor are perfect for GTA games.

Edited March 25, 2014 by FranklinDeRoosevelt

[Sir Winthorpe Herrington]

I hear this "They messed up the gangs N' SouthN'East LA yo!" complaint alot, and I wonder how many of you have ever actually BEEN to Los Angeles.

 

I have news for you, gangs are dead. "Gangs" today are Lil-Wayne listening morons with mainstream apparel and a desire to become the "next big thing." The "real" gangsters are 40 Y.O. old f*cks now. The neighborhoods still look hard but that's just appearance my friend. Wait till you see the people actually in them.

 

You wanna talk about real money-making and the face of crime in LA? Start a corporation. America isn't a country anymore; it's a business. You come here for a few days and you'll drown in corporate advertisements and rehashed bullsh*t selling us the same lies our grandparents fought against. The same old dogma, just in the face of reality TV shows and devices/foods/substances that allow us to waste away our lives searching for something we'll never find. Happiness.

 

....Sorry, went off on one of my tirades there. What were we talking about? Oh yeah. No, GTA V isn't too soft; your vision of "hard" is just unrealistic.

I really liked everything you said up until you said sorry. Maybe you should of been the protag. Anyways I agree with your corporation points but your off when it comes to east LA and what the real east LA is vs what V repped it as. V has literally no hood aspect for east los and just made it basically a factory area that turns into empty hillside. I was thinking they would put more than just 2 streets of ese's in there, Also yes I've been to LA I even own a f*cking house there so your not about to school me on wtf one of my cities is like.

[lizardman563]

 

I hear this "They messed up the gangs N' SouthN'East LA yo!" complaint alot, and I wonder how many of you have ever actually BEEN to Los Angeles.

 

I have news for you, gangs are dead. "Gangs" today are Lil-Wayne listening morons with mainstream apparel and a desire to become the "next big thing." The "real" gangsters are 40 Y.O. old f*cks now. The neighborhoods still look hard but that's just appearance my friend. Wait till you see the people actually in them.

 

You wanna talk about real money-making and the face of crime in LA? Start a corporation. America isn't a country anymore; it's a business. You come here for a few days and you'll drown in corporate advertisements and rehashed bullsh*t selling us the same lies our grandparents fought against. The same old dogma, just in the face of reality TV shows and devices/foods/substances that allow us to waste away our lives searching for something we'll never find. Happiness.

 

....Sorry, went off on one of my tirades there. What were we talking about? Oh yeah. No, GTA V isn't too soft; your vision of "hard" is just unrealistic.

I really liked everything you said up until you said sorry. Maybe you should of been the protag. Anyways I agree with your corporation points but your off when it comes to east LA and what the real east LA is vs what V repped it as. V has literally no hood aspect for east los and just made it basically a factory area that turns into empty hillside. I was thinking they would put more than just 2 streets of ese's in there, Also yes I've been to LA I even own a f*cking house there so your not about to school me on wtf one of my cities is like.

 

 

Aaaaalrighty then.

 

I'm not wrong.

 

Whether or not GTA V respected the actual area is a different story. I would agree with you in that there are too many factories and such.

[Sir Winthorpe Herrington]

If by "lacking balls" you mean the characters werent the stereotypical, cookie cutter protagonists from the the 3D era, then yes, I'd have to agree with you. However, apart from Franklyn (by far the most cliché, under written and under delevoped chatacter of the trio) GTA V had a much more diverse characters, with different wants and values as oposed to "yeah, let's run this town!"

 

Niko complained a lot, all he wanted was a quiet life in LC after Roman had made out he was rich and living the dream. CJ was not the badass you claim him to be, I think you need to go back and replay San Andreas, he complained a LOT throughout the game. Tommy Vercitti was a "living breathing" Scarface because he was pretty much Scarface cut and pasted from the film into the game. And Claude,well, apart from revenge, who knows what he was thinking or wanted, the guy never spoke.

 

If you don't lke the characters thats fine, but I think you're using the wrong terminology with "lacking balls" and frankly I'm glad they've moved away from the "rags to riches, rule the city" mantra. How many times do you want to hear that story?

Listen Niko was f*cking bad ass and he actually had sh*t to complain about, same with CJ. They both get a pass on that, but these new pricks have no right to complain most of the time. They are honestly like real people in LA in that aspect, complaining about the dumbest petty sh*t you can think of. Rags to riches works, why change it. I want to play a f*ckin great story and nothing is greater than somebody coming from nothing to something in a life of crime, sure its cookie cutter and you know the outcome but it's what happens along the way that makes it great. If I wanted to watch somebody struggle and bottom out half way through like 99% of people I would just go follow around some random dipsh*t. Also thumbs up for realizing Franklin sucked ass.

[FranklinDeRoosevelt]

Well Michael has reasons to complain. He has a f*cking family to look after and he gets treated like sh*t. Back in the day when he was around Trevor and Brad, he was robbing stuff and doing criminal activities, but he wanted to stop but Trevor kept getting him into a lot of mess. So he had reasons to complain about.

 

Trevor is just a pure psycho, something that a GTA game needs. So who gives a f*ck if he complains about stuff or not. But just to insure you, everyone knows why Trevor was pissed at Michael, so he does have a reason to complain.

 

Franklin also complains because he is stuck in a sh*tty job of repo'ing cars and also stuck in his sh*tty ganglife. He isn't making enough money and wants to move on and make more. That is the point of GTA.

[Sir Winthorpe Herrington]

Well Michael has reasons to complain. He has a f*cking family to look after and he gets treated like sh*t. Back in the day when he was around Trevor and Brad, he was robbing stuff and doing criminal activities, but he wanted to stop but Trevor kept getting him into a lot of mess. So he had reasons to complain about.

 

Trevor is just a pure psycho, something that a GTA game needs. So who gives a f*ck if he complains about stuff or not. But just to insure you, everyone knows why Trevor was pissed at Michael, so he does have a reason to complain.

 

Franklin also complains because he is stuck in a sh*tty job of repo'ing cars and also stuck in his sh*tty ganglife. He isn't making enough money and wants to move on and make more. That is the point of GTA.

Who the f*ck are you, Dan Houser? I think your focusing a bit too much on the complaining aspect when my true focus is the fact that they are all pretty soft personalities, apart from Trevor, the joke that can't be taken seriously. Sure they all have reasons to complain but I was really focusing on Franklin when I made that remark. So he's a f*ckin repo guy, so what? Why all the bitching, people work worse jobs than that in real life with their mouth f*ckin shut and they would of been a f*ckin better protag. My problem is with the writing and character development. In acting you either have it or you don't, and Franklin was one that just didn't have that draw. He was boring and almost acted like he was too good half the time to do anything. Any job he was given was like bitch bitch bitch whine complain f*ck my life bla bla bla sh*t. He was not a risk taker, never wanted to be there, had no balls, no ambition, nothing. Just a little side show lacky piece of sh*t brought about by Michael.

[Sir Winthorpe Herrington]

You know who lacks balls? It's CJ. He's probably the biggest pussy of any video game ever.

He's no Tommy Vercetti but he did some serious sh*t. He was not so gung ho about the whole thing and often found himself way over his head and mixed up into wild sh*t but that was just good writing. His story was very interesting and he was great in it. At the end of the day you could count on CJ to put a hole in somebody when the time came. If I was hiring a hitman it would be CJ > Franklin every day of the week.

[BLOOD]

Went Soft?Hmm let see:

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptUpkWWtX6I&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Real_Badgirl]

Soft: Regenerating health, checkpoints in missions, skip entire sections of missions.

 

I disagree. Tons of games these days have regenerating health (usually up to 50%) and checkpoints, regardless of genre.

 

GTA isn't going soft. Just because it wasn't as violent or depressing as the older titles doesn't mean the series has been sissified.

[A_smitty56]

Ok so Michael is a family man and honestly a strange pick for a protag but I do like him, at least more than the others. The thing is..is he GTA..I feel that ambition is the thing that was lacking in all the protags. Sure you can make the argument that the black pussy was fighting hard to escape the ghetto..but he just seemed like a bratty college school boy bitch and not even close to as awesome as Lamar was. Michael was all about trying to get his family to like him by actually accomplishing something but come on this isn't everybody loves f*ckin raymond its GTA and I think these protags lack that motivation or better yet balls. Tommy Vercetti had f*ckin balls and ambition, taking over the town as him was amazing, like a living breathing scarface. CJ has ghetto ambition and it was great going from low ass hood nigga to kingpin. Claude was all into mafia sh*t and dealing with the triads too, it was a nice criminal set. Trevor is just such a pathetic gimmick. They made him go full retard with the whole i'm crazy white trash angle and he really felt like a cheesy joke more than something you could get behind and believe in. I dunno R* should either hire me or martin scorsese to write these things because I just feel they are too soft and weak.

 

I f*cking love GTA and I still think V was a beautiful game, apart from them f*cking up east LA and the gangs. The grove area is nice though. But i dunno I just feel none of them had a bad ass mentality, no tony montana up in them what so ever, no balls. A family man glued to his tv, a black pathetic peon, and a laughing joke of white trash that can't be taken seriously because he is a stereotype run a muck. Anybody else feel V lacked balls?

 

I'd actually rather see the nasty gritty side of that life style rather than the romanticized and glamorizes side Hollywood (and GTA) has completely made up. I'd love to see R* take a more serious darker story mode from the perspective of someone who gets forced into being a thug duo to what ever reason (a sick love one with piling medical bills would be perfect). And then the deeper they get involved in the life style the harder it is for them to get out of it until it takes over their life. GTA has already had enough protagonists that has either went out on a high note or went out in a blaze of glory, hell I want to see a protagonist that gets a little taste of that life, becomes a fein for drugs, sex, and money, then from there a downward spiral resulting in a catastrophic nose dive. Being a thug and heavily indulging in that sort of stuff does not often results in riches, mansions, women, nice cars, and an empire... Usually it results in being 6 feet under or incarcerated for decades, I want to see a story that represents that.

 

It's kind of like the story of Johnny Klebitz who's life took a downward spiral ending of Trevor's boot, I would have loved to see a story showing that seeing as fans seemed to have a connection with him and would have been emotionally invested in him, rather than a short clip of him at the beginning of the new game. But that's only an example, they could still have a similar story.

[Detective Phelps]

Went Soft?Hmm let see:

OP's probably referring to the regenerating health and the option to skip parts of a mission if you fail too much.

 

But I disagree with the OP, as GTA is not going soft.

[BLOOD]

 

 

Soft: Regenerating health, checkpoints in missions, skip entire sections of missions.

I disagree. Tons of games these days have regenerating health (usually up to 50%) and checkpoints, regardless of genre.

 

GTA isn't going soft. Just because it wasn't as violent or depressing as the older titles doesn't mean the series has been sissified.

True,lol i am kinda worried that with next-gen GTA will be SO CONTROVERSIAL,in terms of the (Hookers and Strippers Interactivity and graphical nude,which already is in V).

 

OP:I think you need to take a LONG Break from any GTA esp. GTA5 (no offense,just advising) i am a GTA5 addict but have only played it once this month,and that was 3 days ago and the game feels SO Mature than any game on PS4 esp. Infamous 2nd Son (although it a great game).trust me GTA went extreme with the HD Era even though there isnt gore as the 3D Era games,plus Checkpoint have been in GTA since TLAD (same with Health Regen) yeah it sounds crazy but when you are riding along Billy and the other Bikers with that Sign on the floor your health regen .

Edited March 25, 2014 by Blood-Is-in-Diamond

[A_smitty56]

Well Michael has reasons to complain. He has a f*cking family to look after and he gets treated like sh*t. Back in the day when he was around Trevor and Brad, he was robbing stuff and doing criminal activities, but he wanted to stop but Trevor kept getting him into a lot of mess. So he had reasons to complain about.

 

Trevor is just a pure psycho, something that a GTA game needs. So who gives a f*ck if he complains about stuff or not. But just to insure you, everyone knows why Trevor was pissed at Michael, so he does have a reason to complain.

 

Franklin also complains because he is stuck in a sh*tty job of repo'ing cars and also stuck in his sh*tty ganglife. He isn't making enough money and wants to move on and make more. That is the point of GTA.

 

 

I'd rather see the protagonist's story about "survival" rather than the rags to riches BS. That sort of thing is false, cliched, and over played for my liking. I'd rather see the brutal truth kind of story.

[Detective Phelps]

True,lol i am kinda worried that with next-gen GTA will be SO CONTROVERSIAL,in terms of the (Hookers and Strippers Interactivity and graphical nude,which already is in V).

OP:I think you need to take a LONG Break from any GTA esp. GTA5 (no offense,just advicing).

 

Strippers will make the game controversial?

 

I don't think so. The violence and the criminal activities are far more controversial than strippers.

Edited March 25, 2014 by Los Santos Police Department

[Lethal Vaccine]

 

Soft: Regenerating health, checkpoints in missions, skip entire sections of missions.

 

I disagree. Tons of games these days have regenerating health (usually up to 50%) and checkpoints, regardless of genre.

 

GTA isn't going soft. Just because it wasn't as violent or depressing as the older titles doesn't mean the series has been sissified.

 

 

I only play GTA games and this is the first time it did this. Might as well not even bother with a story and missions if you can skip them as you please...

 

It might not be "sissified" but the focus is shifting toward Online and not really doing much for Single Player. If this occurs on the next GTA, count me out, even though I've been playing this stuff since GTA III, I won't bother buying it if this nonsense continues as will others not buy it. This discussion has already been discussed in like 20 threads. It's the same topics over and over with a different title pretty much...

[BLOOD]

 

 

True,lol i am kinda worried that with next-gen GTA will be SO CONTROVERSIAL,in terms of the (Hookers and Strippers Interactivity and graphical nude,which already is in V).

OP:I think you need to take a LONG Break from any GTA esp. GTA5 (no offense,just advicing).

 

Strippers will make the game controversial?

 

I don't think so. The violence and the criminal activities are far more controversial than strippers.

Tomb Raider PS4/XB1 versions were SO superb esp. with her B**B being so realistic and detailed,it was controversy and was bashed for being sexism,trust me bro if Next-Gen GTA refine or continues with how V depicts nudity in Strip Clubs (with Lara Croft style b**bs) esp with GTA's attention to details i am sure it will be SO controversial,if "By The Book" which was just a mission could flare up Controversies then what do you think it will be with the next-gen evolution

of GTA's Long Tradition of Hookers and Strip Clubs (Strippers and the Interactivity).

 

side note:although it was censored in GTAO lol maybe it because of many 12 years playing the game,well i have to say that was a nice thing to do by Rockstar .

Edited March 25, 2014 by Blood-Is-in-Diamond

[Detective Phelps]

^

Nope, realistic violence will be more controversial than strippers.

Edited March 25, 2014 by Los Santos Police Department

[Geralt of Rivia]

 

 

Soft: Regenerating health, checkpoints in missions, skip entire sections of missions.

 

I disagree. Tons of games these days have regenerating health (usually up to 50%) and checkpoints, regardless of genre.

 

GTA isn't going soft. Just because it wasn't as violent or depressing as the older titles doesn't mean the series has been sissified.

 

 

I only play GTA games and this is the first time it did this. Might as well not even bother with a story and missions if you can skip them as you please...

What's so bad about being able to skip a mission, exactly?

 

You don't have to do it. You're not encouraged to do it. It's an option if you cannot get past it.

 

Let me give you 2 scenarios:

 

1) (Without the skipping feature) A person dies 30 times and cannot get past a certain mission. He literally cannot get past it. He rage-quits the game, and that's that.

 

2) (With the skipping feature) A person dies 30 times and cannot get past a certain mission. He literally cannot get past it. He decides to skip that mission so he can keep playing the game.

 

Now, what's so bad about something that's completely, 100% optional and doesn't effect you in any way unless you make it effect you?

[Sir Winthorpe Herrington]

 

Ok so Michael is a family man and honestly a strange pick for a protag but I do like him, at least more than the others. The thing is..is he GTA..I feel that ambition is the thing that was lacking in all the protags. Sure you can make the argument that the black pussy was fighting hard to escape the ghetto..but he just seemed like a bratty college school boy bitch and not even close to as awesome as Lamar was. Michael was all about trying to get his family to like him by actually accomplishing something but come on this isn't everybody loves f*ckin raymond its GTA and I think these protags lack that motivation or better yet balls. Tommy Vercetti had f*ckin balls and ambition, taking over the town as him was amazing, like a living breathing scarface. CJ has ghetto ambition and it was great going from low ass hood nigga to kingpin. Claude was all into mafia sh*t and dealing with the triads too, it was a nice criminal set. Trevor is just such a pathetic gimmick. They made him go full retard with the whole i'm crazy white trash angle and he really felt like a cheesy joke more than something you could get behind and believe in. I dunno R* should either hire me or martin scorsese to write these things because I just feel they are too soft and weak.

 

I f*cking love GTA and I still think V was a beautiful game, apart from them f*cking up east LA and the gangs. The grove area is nice though. But i dunno I just feel none of them had a bad ass mentality, no tony montana up in them what so ever, no balls. A family man glued to his tv, a black pathetic peon, and a laughing joke of white trash that can't be taken seriously because he is a stereotype run a muck. Anybody else feel V lacked balls?

 

I'd actually rather see the nasty gritty side of that life style rather than the romanticized and glamorizes side Hollywood (and GTA) has completely made up. I'd love to see R* take a more serious darker story mode from the perspective of someone who gets forced into being a thug duo to what ever reason (a sick love one with piling medical bills would be perfect). And then the deeper they get involved in the life style the harder it is for them to get out of it until it takes over their life. GTA has already had enough protagonists that has either went out on a high note or went out in a blaze of glory, hell I want to see a protagonist that gets a little taste of that life, becomes a fein for drugs, sex, and money, then from there a downward spiral resulting in a catastrophic nose dive. Being a thug and heavily indulging in that sort of stuff does not often results in riches, mansions, women, nice cars, and an empire... Usually it results in being 6 feet under or incarcerated for decades, I want to see a story that represents that.

 

It's kind of like the story of Johnny Klebitz who's life took a downward spiral ending of Trevor's boot, I would have loved to see a story showing that seeing as fans seemed to have a connection with him and would have been emotionally invested in him, rather than a short clip of him at the beginning of the new game. But that's only an example, they could still have a similar story.

 

Holy sh*t, awesome idea with the Johnny thing. I also think they need to have a darker more realistic focus. Your story is a good side story but can't be a main story. Nobody wants to go through a bunch of f*ckin sh*t just to be in a jail cell at the end. The main premises is to have freedom at the end and control of the world you struggled through along the way. If you didn't have that it would not be a f*ckin sandbox game. What the f*ck do you wanna do free roam in a f*ckin jail cell? I can see what you came up with for Johnny being done as a short story dlc piece and I think that would be an epic tale to tell.

[BLOOD]

^

Nope, realistic violence will be more controversial than strippers.

True then maybe Next-Gen GTAs will have to tone down the Blood effects players get when being shot at or when shooting the Cops (but i dont see that happening at all) lol that why V said "f*ck you" to controversy with that mission .