Battlefield Hardline

[Daz]

I am honestly quite disappointed with the game overall.

 

It is entirely down to how they have just f*cked everything since the beta. I had none of these problems, now I rarely ever have a game where I see someone first and actually get to kill them without them firing at me.

 

The game doesn't need to be any more faster or more dangerous than BF4 was. I had no issue in that game, but with this there are so many times you are just dead from nowhere.

 

Everyone keeps going on about how the weapons are buffed and do more damage and all you have to do is spray and dont need to burst. It is a load of bullsh*t. If you aren't at 0 f*cking ping it just means you die instantly and you can't kill anyone with anything.

 

The only fun I can say I have had in this game (excluding the beta) is using the tazer on f*ckers, the rest is just from being sat in a car with friends on hotwire shooting noob tubes.

 

The weapons are immensely sh*t in this game. I find it so baffling that something like the CAR-556 which is preorder only and cannot be obtained at all in-game is so f*cking powerful and accurate yet any other gun in the game can't hit jack sh*t. Pistols are so insanely inaccurate, slow and do f*cking no damage whatsoever.

 

Animations are so f*cking slow considering how fast the game is meant to play. It takes a f*cking year just to switch weapons, reload, or do any f*cking action in the game.

 

It really just isn't battlefield, and to think I bitched about BF3 when it came out not being as good as BC2, then BF4 not being as good as BF3, and now this, not being as good as BF4. I mean jesus christ.

 

Stop f*cking with what works. It takes them a year after launch to fix issues then they just start from scratch again.

 

But seriously, the game is f*cking unplayable for me. Unless someone is standing completely still and doesn't move until I have finished firing there is no guarantee I can kill anything in this game. That is some seriously awful gamebreaking sh*t.

 

I feel like starting litigation proceedings.

 

 

Also, f*ck RPG's.

[Th3MaN1]

Here's the deal from my perspective: this game should not even exist. It's nothing but a cash grab.

[Guest Billy Russo]

Daz, I'd like to discuss a few of your points:

 

A lot of this is so wrong, and mostly just down to your own personal preference. A lot of what you are saying is just problems you are having individually, and not actually anything to do with the game. The weapons are perfectly fine, I've been using the Mechanic class a lot, and it gets the job done. Try using the K10 and UMP-45, both very good weapons that become even better when you can purchase good attachments for them. Purchase the Satellite Phone for that class so you can help your team out in modes like Conquest and secure a good spawn point.

 

I'll be honest, I'm struggling to understand your huge problem with the weapons, either it's down to your own personal skill at this game so far or you're just having a bad experience connection wise. Not all the guns are perfect at this point, but some of them are really good. I think you need to play around more, clearly you're not used to the faster style of these games. Movement will play in to everything, your aim, gun skill. Once you nail that down, I think you will see a difference. I was struggling the first few days, but once I stopped thinking like it was BF4, I started doing well and finding my guns.

 

Some of the operator guns are really good as well, use the RO933 or the AKM. The RO933 for being a default weapon is actually damn good, try using it for a while. Purchase a sight you like, personally I think it works really well with the Kobra sight. The RO933 depends on how you play though, keep that in mind, you might be more suited to the M16 which is also very good.

Edited March 24, 2015 by Billy Russo

[Aby]

It's got nothing to do with personal skill. I was playing a TDM yesterday, and I had a couple of deaths where I dropped dead without any signs of me getting hit, or any noises from bullets. Some of the weapons are complete rubbish as well. I got this AR that has good accuracy in the stats, but I shot at this dude from far away and the bullet spread was completely abysmal, it looked like I was rapid firing a shotgun. I can only use the Car-556, it's the only gun I have that doesn't recoil all over the place, and is actually accurate.

 

I know it has nothing to do with my connection either since I don't have connection issues on other games. You drop dead in this game way too fast, and like I said, there's been plenty of times where the game does not even allow me to react, my character simply looks like he died of a heart attack since I receive absolutely no visual or audio signals of me being shot, I just die immediately.

 

Bullsh*t comes in different forms, just look at this video I took:

 

 

 

Not only was me trying to perform a pit maneuver completely ineffective, but my muscle car seriously got wedged in that area, so I was forced to leave it. I want to like this game, but little sh*t like this, the choppers, and you dying at lightspeed is really turning me off from it.

[nath22]

The time to kill isn't that extreme it's just less than BF4 so everybody is losing their sh*t. Game is pretty poor but for a lot of other reasons..

[Guest Billy Russo]

Well I'm surprised to see how sh*tty of experiences people are having, because it's been fine for me for the most part. Like I've been having generally good games and having a blast. Maybe I just haven't felt the brunt of it yet. I mean I have had the occasional moments where I've been bullsh*tted and the guy has like 1 health and seems to put me down fast as hell.

 

Personally, I'm rather enjoying the game at the minute, aside from some nuisances.

[Th3MaN1]

The time to kill isn't that extreme it's just less than BF4 so everybody is losing their sh*t. Game is pretty poor but for a lot of other reasons..

That's because BF4 had it right.

[Coin]

BF4 didn't have it right, but then, this particular point is entirely subjective and down to personal preference.

[tuareg]

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I believe you when you say you aren't having these issues. For some reason the game is very forgiving to a handful of people. But there are things that just can't be explained with "no, this game just plays differently".

 

It's not like BF4 either where you'd go negative in one game, but then you knew you'd play better in the next. Realistically i have played about 10 games on HL where things happened the way they should. I got hit, i returned fire and won with some of my health remaining. In all the rest i played i have zero chance. Weapons that should kill you with 3-4 shots drop you with what looks like a single bullet on your screen.

 

I mean i'm using the p90 wich fires 900 RPM. I should not be losing firefights at close range if i start shooting first and i'm getting hitmarkers on him. But what actually is happening is that he's already shooting at me before i start shooting on my screen and when the game updates i'm dead.

 

The latency is ridiculous. BF4 has been the same since the fall patch. Absolutely unplayable.

 

I feel like an idiot for falling for BF again, but what can you do? I'll wait to see if they're planning on looking into the issues and if it's not looked into then it is what it is. I'll live.

Edited March 24, 2015 by tuareg

[Th3MaN1]

BF4 didn't have it right, but then, this particular point is entirely subjective and down to personal preference.

For a while, they had it, when the game was fixed to a great deal. At least in my opinion, it was great for a while. But the recent patch seemed to screw it up.

 

From what I see, with Hardline, it's latency issues, which should not be present. I thought at least they'd get the launch right, and it certainly is better than Battlefield 4, but still not good enough. A game working correctly at launch is a must.

[Daz]

Exactly what Aby said.

 

I am not one to brag, because I believe everyone's experience is different in shooters and what your own fun is what matters, not KDR. However I have always been sh*t hot at battlefield, I KNOW when my connection is ballsed up. I can always kill a lot of players and 75% of the time in an even fight come out on top, even so in the beta of this very game I am complaining about.

 

So I know it is not me, or my connection, I never have issues like this with other games, nothing at all like it. Not this consistently.

 

It is something fundamentally wrong with the game, something they have changed since beta that is causing this. Like server based hit detection, so possibly most of the shots I am hitting with actually aren't hitting. Because I know the game is not meant to play like that but it still is the game's fault, not mine or my connection.

 

On top of that I have heard people complain about bugs that BF4 had before some of the larger patches and hardline still has not fixed. Apparently hit markers are showing on the wrong side of where you are hit from and in my experience I don't even get trade-kills, just all out misses and a death due to the way the game is set up.

 

As Aby mentioned the CAR-556 is a beast and is the only weapon really worth using for a guarenteed kill. Others can be alright too but they are far too inconsistent. The HK51 compared to the SA-58 is stupid, the SA-58 has only better stats and fire rate, there is no downside to using it over the HK51. Some guns are just redundant and others are the best and are priced accordingly. Which is stupid. Even high caliber battle rifles on single shot can't even hit an enemy at medium distance on semi auto mode. They are f*cking pathetic, the MP5K hits better at range than those rifles. It is a joke. Back in bad company 2 I could hit someone with an M16 on the other side of the country with a few taps with the iron sight.

 

My comments on it being too fast are only in relation to the server not being able to catch up with what is actually happening, and this is what causes people to not die and for me to not respond at all because I could be shot an killed before I even see the enemy come round a corner in my game.

 

That to me is broken.

 

 

I might record some footage of my f*ckups and show you. It is pretty hilarious when you shoot someone 4 times with a shotgun point blank and get hit markers for them to just turn around and kill you.

[Coin]

I haven't seen anyone use the CAR-556 yet, maybe I should check it out myself. I've exclusively been using the L85A2 so far, let's call it preference cos there's no AUG, so I don't know how it stacks up against other weapons as of yet although it doesn't feel like it does enough damage for the type of role it's supposed to be used in.

[nath22]

Gun balance aside the game just doesn't feel well made.

 

Blood Money is so easily abused and Hot Wire is made for point farming, there are nowhere near enough guns and the maps seem to be made with a specific game mode in mind, so when that mode isn't being played it's really oddly balanced.

Edited March 24, 2015 by nath22

[Daz]

I defo agree on the point farming part. Not that I am totally complaining as hotwire is fun as hell, but jesus christ, its almost not worth playing anything else because everything involves you needing cash, so even getting a load of kills in conquest you only walk away with a 5th of what you would get on hotwire.

 

I dislike that even though you can buy what scopes and attachments you want, you still have to unlock them for each gun. It makes the whole thing kind of redundant. As really I just want one grip, or one scope to hold me over for a while. You really should get a choice to buy any you want, or a choice of lower tier ones as soon as you buy a weapon. Some do come with one but most suck.

 

I always find it funny in games that make you buy weapons and attachments and make it that a basic gun costs 25x what the gun is actually worth in real life, and that a foregrip which would cost you $30 actually costs thousands in game. Save the expensive sh*t for perks and gadgets at most. But come the hell on.

 

They just made all the best stuff expensive and sh*t stuff cheap. But people are just going to save up then get the better weapon and then use that to unlock everything else. Which is backwards.

 

Anyway, I wouldn't have any of these problems with the guns if they just let me use whatever weapon or at least whatever pistol I wanted on either side, and more importantly on any kit I wanted. They do it for the tazer, dart gun and some equipment, so why not pistols? It is just bullsh*t way to define a kit, I don't give a f*ck I just want to use the non-sh*t weapons only.

 

The weapon license thing is bullsh*t. It was fine in the beta as you only needed a few hundred or so kills, but 1,250 is FAR too much. I barely got that with more than one weapon in each of the battlefield games as I would always get up to 500 kills per gun then test out the next, I never stuck to a favorite. I think 500 should be the max. But 250 seems fair I think. After all it makes the game inbalanced if one side always has better guns.

 

I hate having the issue that each side has it's own loadout, even if you are using the same weapon it only applies to one side. We had this problem with BF3 and the default guns once we unlocked them for both sides. They were treated as separate guns and not the same.

 

Very f*cking annoying.

[Coin]

I don't understand the weapon licensing thing. I bought the M163A this morning and it seemed to come with the weapon license and could be purchased for the criminal loadouts after that. Obviously having just bought it I didn't have the kills required, so I dunno. Is it possible to get weapon licenses in battlepacks?

 

Anyway, I played a few rounds of heists game mode this morning and I think it's the first time I've actually noticed some of the BS that's been mentioned previously. (All local servers)

1st Match: Using my L85A2, on the bank map, I ended up running 4/11 (there were only 10 people in the game, it was early morning here) and pretty much lost every straight up engagement including ones that should favour the gun (mid-long range) because it was like I was shooting f*cking nerf bullets.

2nd Match: Rage quit the above lobby, bought an M16 (as mentioned) to use and landed on The Block. Did okay, but not great (still getting used to the gun).

3rd Match: Round 2 on the block, I switch back to my L85A2 because I don't have the M16 purchased for criminals. And.... people are dying like they should be. I end up going 12/6 and am left scratching my head at the difference between match 1 and 3 in terms of damage..

[FullMetal]

So glad I didn't get this game day one. And by the looks of it I'll sit this one out (oh, hey payday... let's keep hyped and enjoy the awesome heistin').

 

Enough other cool games to play (especially having a huge backlog of 'to play/finish' games).

[Daz]

Ok I have a arseload of vids for you f*ckers.

 

Weird launch glitch:

http://xboxclips.com/Kivlov/3e873a62-dbf1-4f2f-a726-868c63d20b0c

 

Example of bs lag insta-deaths:

http://xboxclips.com/Kivlov/81d5a1d7-e4e3-4b3c-b5ac-38e938ab07b9

 

Getting pretty good with the .44:

http://xboxclips.com/Kivlov/9c72e719-fd0f-4171-9402-d0bc1422e369

 

Another example of bs lag:

http://xboxclips.com/Kivlov/b9018f52-0b97-4a00-9393-d602093ec76f

 

And the last two being the highlight of the night, worthy of uploading to youtube:

 

 

 

 

 

Not only does it take 3 f*cking shots to kill someone with a .44 Magnum but I landed all 3 on there without a miss and they were my last 3 shots as well.

[Aby]

2nd one is a perfect example of the lag, you died that quick at proven 100% health, good stuff, Daz.

Edited March 25, 2015 by Aby

[Sean O'God]

This game is pretty fun, but unloading 10 rounds into someone's head with a Vector just for them to turn around and 1-shot-kill you in the arm with that awful RO933 is getting rather tiresome.

[tuareg]

I just get the feeling that this is a very early raw build of the game in general. I mean there's visible visual recoil. Seriously, how? They claimed that the changes made to BF4 will carry over to hardline and i'd be surprised if anything actually made it through (except for the hitmarkers wich lie to begin with).

 

And latency/insta deaths are one thing, but this game throws balance straight out the window. These people are payed to design this stuff. Were they just told to make the game as unbalanced as possible? Then there are some balancing features like faction only weapons wich at this point don't make a damn difference. It's baffling. I know this is basically cod at this point, but at least make it less apparent.

 

First it was BF3, then BF4 and now this. Not to mention the expansions to BF3, but more so 4 wich were broken as sh*t when they got released. To think that Battlefront will probably stay true to this trend makes me very upset.

[Sean O'God]

Am I just sh*t, or is this another example of the crap servers?

 

It took me a millenium to realize he was there, but I think I deserved the kill there considering the gun I was using and the fact I had full health. I mean, rewatching this video my aim was sub-par but the guy fired not even 3 bullets yet he merc'd me.

Edited March 27, 2015 by Inbred Walrus

[Aby]

You clearly shot him in the head, and put a few other rounds in him and he remained at 44 health, lol.

[tuareg]

Deaths like that make me wonder. Did i hit him and just didn't get the hitmarkers? Or did someone else hit him before me and my bullets just disappeared into a black abyss? (no pun)

[VCRules86]

7 losses in a row. f*ck you, teammates, for ruining my 2/1 WL ratio.

[Daz]

Perfect example of lag, and especially as 30 seconds earlier the kill was perfectly in sync.

 

http://xboxclips.com/Kivlov/3a349cff-2669-4088-8dfa-da5d51cc7041

[Icarus]

My stunting almost got Daz killed.

 

http://xboxclips.com/physicist88/a028e0d9-4421-4f3d-b4d7-e7a51600d714

 

Also, I finished the campaign yesterday on Veteran difficulty. It wasn't that hard (it's not CoD veteran, which seems to have infinite enemies and grenades galore). I started the first couple of missions on Hardline, which I can see being a bit trickier in future episodes.

[Daz]

I wasn't very impressed with the story, from what I thought it was going to be it turned out to just be a typical generic story that didn't offer much. I only played it on cadet as I cba with achievements and was only doing it just to get the battlepacks. Even on that difficulty the enemy AI seem to take multiplayer levels of damage before they die.

 

Pretty f*cking annoying having weak AI in tshirts taking up to 3 .44 Magnum shots to die. It didn't make it very satisfying. Compare it to something like Medal of Honor (2010) and Medal of Honor: Warfighter where enemies die with a few hits and feels realistic and satisfying. The gameplay f*cking sucks. Real clunkly and weapons don't look right in the hand. Kind of a pisspoor job if you ask me. BF4 was better, maybe not so much in plot but definitely in gameplay. But in plot all suck just the same pretty much.

 

Anyway I might go back and mop up some achievements considering that all but like 4 are singleplayer. But really all I wanted was the battlepacks.

 

Still sucks they don't have co-op. I really enjoyed the sparse as f*ck co-op in BF3. I wish they would do more of that.

[Icarus]

My main plight with the story was the ending was unbelievably horrible. It just didn't seem to fit with the rest of the story and the theme of vengeance.

[Aby]

The ending was really lazy but I enjoyed the rest of the story.

[Aby]