R* profit lack of content

[Killing Babelyy]

The company made 800 million day one sales. 66 million on cash cards alone. We've had a few dlc with re skinned cloths a few cars and a few guns.

 

I'd think that as the companies main priority and for almost a billion dollars they could hire more then 10 guys working on this game in the basement.

 

This has been talked about allot, but I've been playing for a month lvl 67 2 mil dollars and already burnt out on the same 10 missions broken races and lack of any free roam content.

 

It just seems unreal.

[Odesza]

Good point, good thing developing is as easy as throwing money at the monitor and eventually content is coded and put out bug free.

Edited March 23, 2014 by Odesza

[Coin]

I wasn't aware that you worked for Rockstar and thus possess intimate knowledge of how their team post-release is made up.

 

They've released a number of free content packs (including a content creator! and entirely new game modes!) alongside them also working on the first major expansion.

 

People need to learn to be more patient, because damn, the first major content for GTA IV wasn't released until well over a year after the game was.

[98 in 1]

Good point, good thing developing is as easy as throwing money at the monitor and eventually content is coded and put out bug free.

They throw it? I was told by a reliable source they just put it in a shredder and then drizzle it lightly over the monitors.

 

Huh. Now that I think about it, throwing it makes a lot more sense. Brute force is always the answer, amirite

[SFBryan18]

Not long ago, a title was purchased "as is" and players could never expect any upgrades for it. These days, players assume they will be getting more, but you assume too much. You paid for your vanilla copy, and you have it. No one is forcing anyone to buy fake money, so what entitles any of us to get anything more than what we already paid for? Enjoy what you have or go do something else. Anything more from Rockstar will be a gift, and I hate when whiny scrubs make demands.

[Killing Babelyy]

I don't know how game companies work. But for a billion dollars do you not expect more out of that?

 

A billion dollar = a few free dlc packs.

 

For the amount of income priority content the amount of money per 7 months of release time either they have a huge dlc coming and a few small to make everyone somewhat happy or they're not that into it.

[SFBryan18]

I don't know how game companies work. But for a billion dollars do you not expect more out of that?

 

A billion dollar = a few free dlc packs.

 

For the amount of income priority content the amount of money per 7 months of release time either they have a huge dlc coming and a few small to make everyone somewhat happy or they're not that into it.

The billion dollars they made was for something they already sold. It was not a down payment.

[Odesza]

I don't know how game companies work. But for a billion dollars do you not expect more out of that?

 

A billion dollar = a few free dlc packs.

 

For the amount of income priority content the amount of money per 7 months of release time either they have a huge dlc coming and a few small to make everyone somewhat happy or they're not that into it.

So you don't know how game companies or game design teams work, or probably developing in general but have an 'expectation' of what they should put out based off of your misconception of the developer side of the gaming world? You seem like an awesome and smart person.

Edited March 23, 2014 by Odesza

[Killing Babelyy]

Not long ago, a title was purchased "as is" and players could never expect any upgrades for it. These days, players assume they will be getting more, but you assume too much. You paid for your vanilla copy, and you have it. No one is forcing anyone to buy fake money, so what entitles any of us to get anything more than what we already paid for? Enjoy what you have or go do something else. Anything more from Rockstar will be a gift, and I hate when whiny scrubs make demands.

Your right, but those games were released and companies moved onto new games to make. When a company as big as this one prioritizes a game to keep around for a few years releases free sh*t in minimal numbers to keep the thousands playing if they want to keep it going as they've said I don't know I just would assume 50 new missions more free roam stuff and some diversity.

[SFBryan18]

 

Not long ago, a title was purchased "as is" and players could never expect any upgrades for it. These days, players assume they will be getting more, but you assume too much. You paid for your vanilla copy, and you have it. No one is forcing anyone to buy fake money, so what entitles any of us to get anything more than what we already paid for? Enjoy what you have or go do something else. Anything more from Rockstar will be a gift, and I hate when whiny scrubs make demands.

Your right, but those games were released and companies moved onto new games to make. When a company as big as this one prioritizes a game to keep around for a few years releases free sh*t in minimal numbers to keep the thousands playing if they want to keep it going as they've said I don't know I just would assume 50 new missions more free roam stuff and some diversity.

 

I'm not so sure they want to keep it around for a few years now that the new consoles are out. I'd think they've started the next GTA which they plan to announce at the next E3... Maybe.

 

We just don't know what they want because we only know what they tell us. It's their business and they run it how they want.

Edited March 23, 2014 by SFBryan18

[Coin]

Consider that, in addition to the free content and the major content they are currently developing, they may also have a team (or teams) working on ports to current gen consoles and PC.

[SlyferFox]

Let's see...

 

For $60 they gave you a lengthy single player with a massive amount of content that'll take you several dozens of hours to get through it all. The game far exceeds GTA IV in content, and is only rivaled by games like RPGs.

 

They gave you an online that consists of free roaming, car and character customization, deathmatches, vehicle deathmatches, versus missions, capture and raid missions, co-op missions, survival, parachute jumps, and races of not just land vehicles, but also planes, jets, boats, and helicopters. More content than 90% of the online games.

 

You feel entitled to more, you say?

Edited March 23, 2014 by Xily

[Killing Babelyy]

I didn't ask for R* white knights here, if you are all happy with what little they have given for as much as they've received then good, but for everyone else and even you can admit numbers are not going up in game population but going down, when new dlc comes out some people come back then leave again. GTA is a huge title, this whole stfu you're getting free stuff great, I really don't care if their flagship title shrinks into only a few hundred hardcore players.

[Dont Shoot]

lol you are that special mix of dumb and ignorant.

[Seneschal]

lol you are that special mix of dumb and ignorant.

[AGiganticLlama]

Maybe they're working on something big to forgive the hiatus

[Killing Babelyy]

Let's see...

 

For $60 they gave you a lengthy single player with a massive amount of content that'll take you several dozens of hours to get through it all. The game far exceeds GTA IV in content, and is only rivaled by games like RPGs.

 

They gave you an online that consists of free roaming, car and character customization, deathmatches, vehicle deathmatches, versus missions, capture and raid missions, co-op missions, survival, parachute jumps, and races of not just land vehicles, but also planes, jets, boats, and helicopters. More content than 90% of the online games.

 

You feel entitled to more, you say?

I didn't say I feel entitled to anything. That was 7 months ago. The same 10 missions you end up with every day are from 7 months ago. Most of the cars you use besides like 4 are from 7 months ago. You can't do anything in free roam you couldn't so that many months ago.

 

I never said programming was easy.

[JOEsAGGRESSIVE]

their main priority now seems to be bringing GTA 5 to PC. Then Xbox One/PS4.

But then again that's just speculation and conjecture. Seems logical now because R* still hasn't offered any information on heists like they said was gonna happen after Valentine DLC then they said information would come after business DLC... Personally at this point I think that R* has been jerking us around about heists since day 1.

[SFBryan18]

Now that they lost my character stats, and probably won't fix them, I hope they bring it to PS4. Would be nice to have a fresh start.

[Killing Babelyy]

All I've learned on this forum is be happy with what you have don't ask questions and don't come off as complaining.

 

I'd agree with this of a point of income in vs. content out wasn't a question. If you don't know politics don't bitch about the government. If you don't know how food processing works don't bitch about GMOs. All these arguments for anything you complain about could be said the same thing you're telling me.

 

You don't know about programming or game companies stfu. Yet take your own advice in your daily lives you white knight R* f*cks.

Edited March 23, 2014 by Killing Babelyy

[Odesza]

All I've learned on this forum is be happy with what you have don't ask questions and don't come off as complaining.

 

I'd agree with this of a point of income in vs. content out wasn't a question. If you don't know politics don't bitch about the government. If you don't know how food processing works don't biych about GMOs. All these arguments for anything you complain about could be said the same thing you're telling me.

 

You don't know about programming or game companies stfu. Yet take your own advice in your daily lives you white knight R* f*cks.

Actually I complain about quite a bit that Rockstar does and disagree with most of it, I just don't do so in such an ignorant and naive manner.

 

They made 800mil where's the jetpacks amirite.

[SFBryan18]

People have a right to complain, but others have a right to point out when a complaint is not very important. My character 202 stats were lost by Rockstar's crap servers. That's something to complain about. Complaining about how much money they made over how much content you received... Well, no one forced you to buy the game, and your money was for the vanilla copy. Complaining that they are not making enough DLC content... it's your right to want more, but you should not expect more than what you have. Asking and demanding are not the same. If someone demands something from me, my first thought is to tell them to f*ck off.

Edited March 23, 2014 by SFBryan18

[scubadave]

The company made 800 million day one sales. 66 million on cash cards alone. We've had a few dlc with re skinned cloths a few cars and a few guns.

 

I'd think that as the companies main priority and for almost a billion dollars they could hire more then 10 guys working on this game in the basement.

 

...

 

It just seems unreal.

 

you forgot the intern who developed the 1v1 freemode DM

[Dont Shoot]

You also are dumb enough to think R* made a 1b profit off of the game. Take 2 made a very large portion of that, they developed the game over 5 years. Thats 5 years in lots of salaries. Thats a ton of equipment costs. Its estimated to of cost over 250m in development costs before release. Theres still advertising costs. Still salaries being paid to keep new content coming. Tons of companies make more in a year than they made on this game. And when i buy something i dont bitch about not getting more from them than what i bought if they sold alot of the same product. It sold well because its a badass game.

[SFBryan18]

It sold well because its a badass game.

Yes.

[Killing Babelyy]

Ok sorry for breaking hearts here back to RR an coveted

[luisniko]

Doesn't mean there's nothing to do than updating GTA Online in Rockstar HQ, man...

 

You know they got to pitch ideas to investor and publisher and get approved by both before producing. Investors put their money in the projects and they can do whatever they want even that means to cancel or to hold.

 

Remember, investors are mindless f*cks who only want their money back. I worked in a small game company and investors were bossy f*cktards who don't know anything about game design.

[98 in 1]

My notions were proven wrong so i'm going to use ad hominem in an attempt to save face

Alrighty then.

[SlyferFox]

 

I didn't say I feel entitled to anything. That was 7 months ago. The same 10 missions you end up with every day are from 7 months ago. Most of the cars you use besides like 4 are from 7 months ago. You can't do anything in free roam you couldn't so that many months ago.

 

I never said programming was easy.

 

How many companies release giant dlc packs within a short span? When DLC is released for shooters it's usually just a few maps, and they charge you $15 for them. Other companies release different game modes and ridiculously overpriced costumes. If single player DLC is released for a game within 6 months or so, it usually lasts about 3-5 hours to get through. Rockstar may have not added co-op missions since the launch of GTA:O, but since then they've added raid missions, capture missions, new weapons, clothes, cars, and a content creator. Not to mention that the heists and maybe even a mission creator will be added most likely before May. On top of that, all the extra content so far has been free.

 

 

All I've learned on this forum is be happy with what you have don't ask questions and don't come off as complaining.

 

I'd agree with this of a point of income in vs. content out wasn't a question. If you don't know politics don't bitch about the government. If you don't know how food processing works don't bitch about GMOs. All these arguments for anything you complain about could be said the same thing you're telling me.

 

You don't know about programming or game companies stfu. Yet take your own advice in your daily lives you white knight R* f*cks.

 

I've complained about GTA: Online, just not on this forum yet. The complaints about bugs, glitches, and the economy are all justified. The online definitely has its flaws. However, I find that most people who complain about the content latch on to only a specific mode and don't look at GTA: Online as a whole. Besides free roam, if you're only in it for missions, then that sucks. Most online gamers end up playing the same old crap over and over again anyway, whether it's a shooter, racing game, fighting game, etc. Name me several online games that don't fall into the MMO genre that offer more content/variety than what GTA V has to offer online.

[AnotherUserName]

Your right, but those games were released and companies moved onto new games to make. When a company as big as this one prioritizes a game to keep around for a few years releases free sh*t in minimal numbers to keep the thousands playing if they want to keep it going as they've said I don't know I just would assume 50 new missions more free roam stuff and some diversity.

 

Key word there is years. A game intended to be continuously built upon for years is not going to pump out every awesome idea (especially for free) that they have planned in the first few months just because some people are bored. It's always going to be a continuous cycle of: small tweaks/updates, expansion, repeat. Hell, they've already given us more stuff for free in 6 months than most developers ever give throughout a games entire lifespan. Compare to a huge persistent world like WoW, which took nearly 10 years to achieve following the same cycle of, again: updates, expand, repeat.

 

I didn't ask for R* white knights here, if you are all happy with what little they have given for as much as they've received then good, but for everyone else and even you can admit numbers are not going up in game population but going down, when new dlc comes out some people come back then leave again. GTA is a huge title, this whole stfu you're getting free stuff great, I really don't care if their flagship title shrinks into only a few hundred hardcore players.

 

That's how persistent games work though. Fluctuating player numbers is completely normal and expected; it doesn't really mean anything good or bad. You have the hardcore players, who will stick with it and play every chance they get; the dedicated players, who will continue to play as often as they can between other games and commitments; interested but less-dedicated players who will check in when big updates are released, play until they've had enough, then repeat with the next expansion; and then those players who will eventually realize that a game isn't for them and give up and move on.

 

I didn't say I feel entitled to anything. That was 7 months ago. The same 10 missions you end up with every day are from 7 months ago. Most of the cars you use besides like 4 are from 7 months ago. You can't do anything in free roam you couldn't so that many months ago.

 

I never said programming was easy.

 

Counter-Strike 1.6 still has the same stuff from almost two decades ago, and CoD4 seven years ago yet those (and many other old) games are still played often by fairly large amounts of players. Also look at how many people still played Halo 2 right up until (and past) the server shutdown. To this day there are still Everquest die-hards that were there in the beginning. None of those games has had new content in years, yet they are still played by players who find what they offer to be fun.

 

 

I don't know how game companies work. But for a billion dollars do you not expect more out of that?

 

People love this argument. In short: that billion didn't go to R*, it goes to Take-Two Interactive who, after recovering the cost of making the game, uses the profits internally and to fund other games by other developers besides Rockstar. Yes, some of that money will be used to fund costs of running GTAO, but the majority will be used to fund new projects. Exactly how much money Rockstar gets is up to Take-Two. For all we know, they kept all the profit and is forcing R* to fund the game solely through Shark Cards. (Obligatory cash card reference, woo!)

Edited March 23, 2014 by AnotherUserName