Star Citizen

[jpm1 1,917]

well it's been a while i didn't play the game. but that doesn't prevent me from watching it from the distance. what do you mean MMO. there won't be solo?? been browsing a bit the roadmap. recent roadmap is about ship repairing, mining. this is in ED for ages. it seems they want to have only 110 solar systems, but highly detailled ones. this won't ever work. look the time it takes for R* to make just one 10 km² city. again i have the feeling they're aiming too high. and lorville if obviously eye candy doesn't seem impressive in term of exploration. i could be wrong though. but i have no free time to test SC. i'm too busy with ED 😋. also why they make 80 ships while first solar system isn't even finished. you look at the road map, they release more ships than planets. i know video games industry needs cash, but this is crazy

Edited March 16 by jpm1

[Dryspace 546]

16 minutes ago, jpm1 said:

 it seems they want to have only 110 solar systems, but highly detailled ones. this won't ever work. look the time it takes for R* to make just one 10 km² city. again i have the feeling they're aiming too high.

I agree with this. I don't remember how long Star Citizen has been in development, but I began to believe at least a couple of years ago that the project was too ambitious--instead of defining a complete and functional goal, such as a single spaceport, or single planet, or single solar system, and then expanding in a modular fashion, it became apparent to me that the very definition of the project itself was being continuously changed. Like the ultimate case of feature creep.

 

This amorphous nature means that no one can guess when the game might be finally completed, just like no one can tell you how long it takes to get to your destination when you haven't decided how far you want to go. I'm excited about the possibilities for this, but it's simply undeniable that the project--up until now anyway--has been sustaining itself on regular doses of hype. I don't support the Payin' for Promises model (aka "Early Access"), but I will be more than happy to pay full price for a completed game if it ends up being even half of what is claimed.

[deadx23 7,978]

1 hour ago, jpm1 said:

well it's been a while i didn't play the game. but that doesn't prevent me from watching it from the distance. what do you mean MMO. there won't be solo?? been browsing a bit the roadmap. recent roadmap is about ship repairing, mining. this is in ED for ages. it seems they want to have only 110 solar systems, but highly detailled ones. this won't ever work. look the time it takes for R* to make just one 10 km² city. again i have the feeling they're aiming too high. and lorville if obviously eye candy doesn't seem impressive in term of exploration. i could be wrong though. but i have no free time to test SC. i'm too busy with ED 😋. also why they make 80 ships while first solar system isn't even finished. you look at the road map, they release more ships than planets. i know video games industry needs cash, but this is crazy

No solo, they made it clear that this is multiplayer only but they haven't specified yet if theirs going to be an solo option but it doesn't look like it the way they talk about it but the plan is to have 90% NPC to 10% players ratio in the universe, however their is a solo campaign game they are also developing at the same time as SC and is SQUADRON 42.

 

Yes the plan is about 110 systems. they said about last year it takes them about a month to make a solar system and at the time they where developing tools/programs to develop them more efficient and faster but they are using what r* didn't and is procedural generation and the tools they made they could customize the way it generates. I'm not sure how they will accomplish 110 systems though but I'm sure they already thought of it and I'm sure they have some solar systems already made for squadron 42 missions.

On the ship creation currently there is teams dedicated to them they have a pipeline and they don't effect game production they have 4(-5?) studios across the world.

 

E: found the video I was looking for this is how they do it

 

Edited March 16 by deadx23

[Richard Power Colt 3,066]

Iirc, they actually stated more recently that their plans for the amount of systems at launch would be more like 10-15, because 100 was just too ambitious. I believe originally they weren't even gonna make planets where you can land anywhere so there would have been less work that needs to be put into each system and they likely could have churned them out faster. But things changed once they decided to implement the planet tech.

 

I don't think it hugely matters. With how huge the planets and moons in this game are, they can easily pack a bunch of stuff to do in just one system.

[Dryspace 546]

1 hour ago, Richard Power Colt said:

I don't think it hugely matters. With how huge the planets and moons in this game are, they can easily pack a bunch of stuff to do in just one system.

And just one star system--at best--is in my opinion the most that should have been planned from the beginning. At least that's the way I would planet. 😀 If they desire the kind of attention to detail and immersion that it seems they are pursuing, that alone would be an astronomical feat. I can't imagine that "restricting" it to an entire system could limit a game like this in any conceivable way.

 

Even with a goal like this, extremely creative, cutting-edge procedural tools would be needed in order to "grow"** the planets and other bodies, as there is no way that human effort could tackle the smallest portion of this. Even if hand-design is limited to the creation of population centers, settlements, space stations, etc., the amount of work required to make a single believable system would be massive.

 

A big problem with adding more planets and systems involves both procedural and artistic aspects of creation. The more planets, the less care can be devoted to the fine-tuning of procedural generation. I.e., the more planets/systems, the more each one would end up like those of No Man's Sky--less realistic, existing only for the sake of existing. Further, the more potentially populated planets there are, the fewer uniquely, believably populated areas there can be.

 

** By "grow", I mean that instead of using traditional terrain generation or macro-scale procedural algorithms, a much more complex simulation is allowed to run to completion, which determines, using a simplified collection of data, how surfaces change over time. This could result in realistic formations, soil deposition, erosion patterns, plant distributions, etc. that would be impossible to get anywhere close to any other way.

Edited March 16 by Dryspace

[jpm1 1,917]

6 hours ago, Dryspace said:

And just one star system--at best--is in my opinion the most that should have been planned from the beginning. At least that's the way I would planet. 😀 If they desire the kind of attention to detail and immersion that it seems they are pursuing, that alone would be an astronomical feat. I can't imagine that "restricting" it to an entire system could limit a game like this in any conceivable way.

 

Even with a goal like this, extremely creative, cutting-edge procedural tools would be needed in order to "grow"** the planets and other bodies, as there is no way that human effort could tackle the smallest portion of this. Even if hand-design is limited to the creation of population centers, settlements, space stations, etc., the amount of work required to make a single believable system would be massive.

 

A big problem with adding more planets and systems involves both procedural and artistic aspects of creation. The more planets, the less care can be devoted to the fine-tuning of procedural generation. I.e., the more planets/systems, the more each one would end up like those of No Man's Sky--less realistic, existing only for the sake of existing. Further, the more potentially populated planets there are, the fewer uniquely, believably populated areas there can be.

 

** By "grow", I mean that instead of using traditional terrain generation or macro-scale procedural algorithms, a much more complex simulation is allowed to run to completion, which determines, using a simplified collection of data, how surfaces change over time. This could result in realistic formations, soil deposition, erosion patterns, plant distributions, etc. that would be impossible to get anywhere close to any other way.

i totally agree

they are too much focused on the graphics. on another hand you may say, do they have the choice. the competition being so sharp. i don't think space sim is about graphics personnally. i mean one system while the compettion offers billions. even if they offer first class Blade runner style cities, the mayonnaise won't take up. the essence of space sim is being able to flirt with infinite. IMHO if you think space sim you must think procedural, you must think less details. plus as i said realistic huge sci-fy cities belongs to the chimaera domain. this is technically very difficult to achieve. even R* with billions have hard time in doing it

Edited March 17 by jpm1

[deadx23 7,978]

Logged in this week end as I haven't since November, performance is way way better, for my system and settings I am getting 30fps + even on stations and planet side city (lorville)

 

c.i.g has made a special website page for performance tracking, system specs/fps. cuase there are some people who will talk on how bad it is even if they don't play or know what the heck they are talking about so in response Chris has made this sub section

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/telemetry

 

I am curious on how the new flight model will perform and also will Include the first iteration of atmosphere flight on 3.5 that I think for sure will make 1st  wave ptu on Friday and with that release to ptu the NDA's are lifted but I've seen leaks already coming from Reddit  I seen some parts of arkcorp and it really looks awesome but I've heard complaints that the night lights could be more brighter.

 

I always customize my uh screens (I forget what they are called) the one on the right i put comms cause on that screen when you call the station or hangers to land you see a live NPC talking to you as well as calling your friend you will see them (their avatars) while talking to them  and that is so cool lol

you can customize all of them except the middle one but you can zoom out it's a map or at least on some ships.

 

I don't know what I was doing but took some snaps (I was kinda drunk)

This is the rework of the mustang on lorville and is for sale in game, (on the next update for Q2 2019 ship rentals are going to be a thing)

I had more pics but I think I messed up somehow.

Edited March 18 by deadx23

[Dryspace 546]

21 hours ago, deadx23 said:

Logged in this week end as I haven't since November, performance is way way better, for my system and settings I am getting 30fps + even on stations and planet side city (lorville)...

Well, that first picture is making me want to break out my Saitek X52. I have one gripe though: The ship looks like it's traveling through water, not space! Why the Dickens is it so blue? Is it just some type of special effect?

 

You said you are getting 30+ fps now, and I can assume that's with no hitching/freezing? I'm sorry if you mentioned it before, but what GPU are you running?

[Richard Power Colt 3,066]

53 minutes ago, Dryspace said:

Well, that first picture is making me want to break out my Saitek X52. I have one gripe though: The ship looks like it's traveling through water, not space! Why the Dickens is it so blue? Is it just some type of special effect?

 

 

The ship's in quantum travel. It doesn't look like that when you fly around normally.

[deadx23 7,978]

2 hours ago, Dryspace said:

Well, that first picture is making me want to break out my Saitek X52. I have one gripe though: The ship looks like it's traveling through water, not space! Why the Dickens is it so blue? Is it just some type of special effect?

 

You said you are getting 30+ fps now, and I can assume that's with no hitching/freezing? I'm sorry if you mentioned it before, but what GPU are you running?

That's a nice ship and rich is correct I was on quantum travel, flying on space you'll only see some chemtrails if you use the third person view. the thing I hate about quantum travel is the travel time is too long from port olisar to hurston it takes about 8-13 real time minutes! The bigger you ship the faster you get there (bigger/better equipment but now you can buy in-game better equipment weapons/sheilds generator/powerplant ECT. With earnings) 

 

 

for performance yeah I get 30 + (usually stays about 30) some minimal hitching at the start but unnoticeable over time, no freezing at all.

my GPU is a Radeon r9 380 4gb and my CPU is rizen 7 1700, 16 gb ddr4 ,HDD. not the best but it works lol

[jpm1 1,917]

i won't say it endlessly, but when i see people not playing Elite, that makes me want to cry. i mean that game is so deep, with so much to explore. been playing it for a month now, and there are billions of planets, and not 2 similar. each with breathtaking panoramas. if you want to play SC fine. but before try Elite. for the love of the little Jesus, try Elite

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 19 by jpm1

[Dryspace 546]

6 hours ago, Richard Power Colt said:

The ship's in quantum travel.

4 hours ago, deadx23 said:

That's a nice ship and rich is correct I was on quantum travel

I assumed that because of the smearing of the stars, that's why I asked if it was a special effect. I'm not a fan. That's not what I see when I watch Stars Wars or Star Trek, lol.

 

I wonder if it's a generic effect that all ships use, or if it's specific to certain drives.

[deadx23 7,978]

1 hour ago, Dryspace said:

I assumed that because of the smearing of the stars, that's why I asked if it was a special effect. I'm not a fan. That's not what I see when I watch Stars Wars or Star Trek, lol.

 

I wonder if it's a generic effect that all ships use, or if it's specific to certain drives.

Oh lol Yeah their all mostly the same effect it's supposed to be the quantum effect 

I wanted to sneak this one in (exiting quantum jump) 

 

 

 

Edited March 20 by deadx23

[deadx23 7,978]

3.5.0j is on the ptu, I've been testing it since Saturday. On Saturday- Wednesday it was low fps bad performance and I kept getting 30k error messages (server disconnected) 

It's now running way better but could use more optimization and they are doing a good job at that but still getting some 30k messages.

ArkCorp is huge it has that big city feel however area 18 feels small I think I ran around looking like 3 time's in the landing zone but the planet is huge. I'm not clear if we can explore the city just by walking, I threw myself off a platform to see the planetside floor from area 18 but died on my way down didn't see it. On the other side of the planet I did reach the ground but I was in a ship and I kind of crash landed that ended up in me dying and my ship to explode I lost control cause I was trying to do cool maneuvers any way female characters are in and player customization!!!! I took some pics

 

 

 

600i ship






 

 

 

She is the newest mission giver (I forget her name)

And a city shoot

The times I did made it on ArkCorp I couldn't figure out where was my hangar to land after requesting to land and it was difficult cause there is a no fly zone barrier and you insta-die if you cross it, I uh recorded my successful landing well kind of just to give you an idea of it ( when you request to land it's the wrench icon)

 

Well c.i.g did it they made a city planet! And it look's good. Today Cris Roberts is going to be in an interview in "reverse the verse" on YouTube and one question that is the second highest voted on, from the baker's is "at what rate do you expect planets to be released once tech is refined and assets are made. and how does the team decide to go back to an old planet to add more landing zones? "

 

 

 

 

Edited March 30 by deadx23

[Richard Power Colt 3,066]

 

Not my video, but damn, ArcCorp is looking hella nice(although I'm not sure if I'm really digging the look of the red buildings during day-time). It's a shame that they still haven't quite fixed the performance yet. Server-side object-container streaming is apparently the next big milestone for performance that they're currently working on.

Edited March 30 by Richard Power Colt

[deadx23 7,978]

Ptu is up for all backers!

it's running way better, I crashed but this time it was physically uh virtually lol 

 

Character Creator 

 

 

 

 

 

[Richard Power Colt 3,066]

New update is live:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/star-citizen-alpha-3-5-0-live-1460999-patch-notes

[deadx23 7,978]

Ok I've been trying to post but....

 

FREE FLY WEEK all uh week I mean this week that started Monday so if youz are somewhat interested but don't want to take the plunge you can just check it out this week 

 

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/promotions/35-Free-Fly

 

Just make an account and use "get in the verse" code , Also current backers can log in and use the same code to try the ships they are providing,

 

 

I'm hearing there are some minor bugs  but I don't remember seeing much or Wich ones. 

[deadx23 7,978]

Just around the verse...

 

 

 

 

I was in space and I saw this tiny moon (blue arrow) and went straight to it






 

 

 

Edited June 3 by deadx23

[Dryspace 546]

5 hours ago, deadx23 said:

 

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I was in space and I saw this tiny moon (blue arrow) and went straight to it

 

 

You saw the tiny moon...but not its associated planet? 😮🤔

[deadx23 7,978]

3 minutes ago, Dryspace said:

 

You saw the tiny moon...but not its associated planet? 😮🤔

Yeah it's weird I was orbiting the associated planet "hurston", hopefully they bring it closer! 

[deadx23 7,978]

Patch 3.5.1 has been released, patch notes:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/star-citizen-alpha-3-5-1-live-1798586-patch-notes

 

Even though 3.6 is scheduled for the end of this month 🤔

[Richard Power Colt 3,066]

3.6 is live apparently. Patch notes here: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/star-citizen-alpha-3-6-0-live-2247930-patch-notes

 

I haven't played the game at all for a while now and I probably won't until they make the progression persist across updates. Right now everything still gets wiped after every update.

[Presidential 292]

I just bought into the game in the last week or so and have been having fun with it. I understand it's in alpha and I know that it gets wiped with each update but there's still more than enough there for me to enjoy it. No, I'm not going to buy a lot of ships and pour money into it but I do see myself playing the game. I even have a couple friends who might be coming over with me.

[deadx23 7,978]

3.7.0 ptu is on its first wave I'll have to jump in and check the new features, vtol was a pain in 3.6, super hard to land on Hangar's I lost control and blew up a lot but I got used to it, on this built it is replaced with something else (I can't remember) but it looked easier to control . They added cave's!!!! So I'll have to look around this weekend.

[Richard Power Colt 3,066]

So they just held their annual CitizenCon event and they showed a couple of interesting things. They showed the big demo in 2 parts which you can watch here..

and here:

 

In all honesty the demo wasn't all that different from previous years. I guess the weather system was pretty cool, but it didn't show much in terms of actual gameplay advancements.

 

The more interesting part of the convention for me was a panel where they basically showed a system they've built that lets them simulate the ingame economy and the actions of the NPCs as well as dynamic missions that are the result of that economy.

 

You can watch it here:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/512282804?t=2h17m41s

 

The beginning of that presentation might be a little hard to get through, because they spend a lot of time talking about the problems that they've faced with their older systems. If you don't wanna listen to it then you can skip to around 02:41:38 where he starts showing off the simulation.

 

It's really quite cool and it makes me more optimistic about how they're going to actually handle the gameplay.

 

Edited November 24 by Richard Power Colt

[Jason 21,426]

Star Citizen has impressed me a fair few times with demos but that latest demo did absolutely zero for me. I got the strong impression that it was all smoke and mirrors, I don't think any of the stealth mechanics are actually in the game yet and I'm also guessing the same for the weather stuff. By their own admission too this was only functioning for the snow environment so it's not like the system is anywhere close to ready.

 

I know the "it's never coming out" stuff has reached meme status but when I see a demo like this that seems entirely smoke and mirrors and again by their own admission the only existing slice of what will be much larger systems, I just don't get where the games finish line is at all.