GTA V and the Illuminati

[Xerukal]

Alright, so before I get mauled with sh*t-covered rocks for bringing up a "conspiracy theory" type of thread, I'd like to say that I am simply raising a concern or question. Not accusing or calling theories.

 

So, anyway. Since GTA IV, I've noticed a decent amount of symbolism. There might have been some in the past games. Heck, I'm sure there was plenty in San Andreas, but I just don't remember it.

 

Radio talk shows, websites in-game, the like.

 

But GTA V seems to have taken it a huge step further by shoehorning that term in. I keep seeing it everywhere. This forum included (A few All Seeing Eye avatars). I'm honestly quite sick of it (Not accusing forum members or anything. Just talking about the game at this point).

 

Just yesterday I walked into Trevor's strip club and I hear a ped say something about not being able to stop seeing the Illuminati or some stuff like that. The story mentions it a few times. And It's mostly used for satirical purposes on several occasions, obviously. Just like in SA with The Truth and IV with that one website you find.

 

What's Rockstar's purpose with this? Satire? It seems like more than satire to me. I can't quite figure out their intentions behind including such obvious things. Yeah, GTA V is all about money and I guess that somehow connects. But that's about it.

 

My overall point is a question. What's the deal? Why is so much of this stuff in the game all of a sudden? I don't like the Illuminati and I don't like their "ideas". Just like some folk don't like people that believe in such things.

 

I just realized I somewhat contradicted my disclaimer about not calling theories. Oh well.

 

Let's keep arguments on whether or not they "exist" out of the thread, by the way. I would simply like to know or hear opinions as to why this is in the game and what purpose it serves other than to appear as a "WACKY CONSPIRACY LIZARD MAN" theory satire.

Edited December 30, 2013 by Xerukal

[SilverRST]

R* worships the devil.

[universetwisters]

R* worships the devil.

Implying Sam & Dan Houser aren't devils themselves.

 

I heard every weekday at precisely 3 pm, an underage Thai prostitute is mailed over to the Rockstar headquarters just so they can boil, deep fry, and eat her.

[high91]

I agree with you OP. I too have noticed subtle things. Especially this year and not just with GTA 5.....I feel there is underlying messages everywhere, and after playing GTA 5 I sort of feel more 'connected with my ideas' if you get me

[îlîlîlîlîlî]

I see it as Rockstar's satirical response to the downfall of the economy and such.

[Raavi]

I see it as Rockstar's satirical response to the downfall of the economy and such.

 

That's all it is, satire - which Rockstar Games are masters at. But I'm sure someone will be able to cook up some Zionist-Rotschild-Femadeathcamps-Obamaistheantichrist conspiracy. So I'll go ahead and grab the popcorn!

[cidamelo]

I think Rockstar is satirizing the Illuminati, like they satirize the politicians... I think they're against them, not with them!!

[Xerukal]

Satire is exactly what I'm hoping it is.

 

However, for better or for (sometimes) worse, I am endlessly self-aware. So I can't help but keep an open mind to any and all possibilities and perspectives of truth. Since past experiences in my life have taught me that the unlikely answer, path or way can often be the correct one.

 

Anything is possible, really. And being aware of the possibility of anything being possible is the beautiful gift of paranoid self-awareness.

 

Sorry if that sounded somewhat brag-ish.

Edited December 30, 2013 by Xerukal

[Pooyan Cyrus]

First of all, Rockstar is publisher of the game, the game is made in Rockstar North.

Now read this carefully. Rockstar North is a big studio. There are many people working on the game. In all games before IV, there weren't any religional symbols, except the churches in SA and III. Even in the IV, there were very few symbols, which were mostly humoristic jokes about scientology. But then in V, the Epsilonism thing became way more important and Illuminati signs have appeared in many places. The "Man" has replaced, while we had "for god's sake" as a common expression in dialogs of the franchise before.

 

So, look for new people who have been participated in making the game. Everything done in the game isn't straightly added by the Housers' brothers. I think we should start with taking a look at writers and... the graphists! Yea those pot-smoking designers are making lots of nonsense easter eggs in each game. Many hoaxes are done by them, I bet.

 

However, this could also have a bad meaning for Illuminaton believers: The game's somehow saying that their world is as small as GTA universe and "The Man" doesn't have power to rule a bigger world.

 

It's also possible that they've done this to prevent any offense to real-life religions. You know, making people of this little universe have their own beliefs.

Edited December 30, 2013 by PooyanCyrus

[universetwisters]

It's also possible that they've done this to prevent any offense to real-life religions. You know, making people of this little universe have their own beliefs.

Did you not catch all the references to the bible in V, let alone previous GTA games?

 

http://gta.wikia.com/Religion

[Thegutang]

The 'illuminati' want to pervade themselves into peoples psyche slowly and surely so that when the 'New World Order' comes people will be more docile and willing to accept it.

 

As you can see with the mainstream media and music industries they own it and control it and part of the way they operate is by subversive brainwashing. They do this by hiding in plain sight and by adding subtle hints or suggestions in order to influence the general populace about their intentions so that while evil or not, their actions are still aligned with cosmic principles of karma (action/reaction).

 

As far as I'm concerned its possible that they do in fact 'own' much of the video game industry as well because games like these (especially GTA) are perfect vehicles for transmitting their intentions.

[AlexL]

Rockstar has sold out to them, most likely.

 

Note: I've made some previous posts explaining the illuminati and now they have been deleted without a warning. Little suspicious?

Edited December 30, 2013 by AlexL

[Thegutang]

Lets not forget the 'Lizard People' References that are scattered throughout the game.

 

For anybody who isnt aware, Lizard People are associated with the Illuminati in particular and occultism (and mythology/mysticism in general) as being the controllers and givers of 'illumination' or enlightenment...

Edited December 30, 2013 by Thegutang

[Raavi]

Deleted off-topic posts, this is actually a topic that warrants a thread. Just keep it about Illuminati/conspiracies in GTA V and not in Real life. Thank you.

[PandaLambpaws]

Lets not forget the 'Lizard People' References that are scattered throughout the game.

 

For anybody who isnt aware, Lizard People are associated with the Illuminati in particular and occultism (and mythology/mysticism in general) as being the controllers and givers of 'illumination' or enlightenment...

That's dummy nonsense, it's meant to distract.

 

Operant conditioning. Look it up. It's a real defined term. Like when you shake a bag of treats and your pet responds.

 

So when someone says "conspiracy" or calls something "suspicious" you associate them with tin-hatted loonies who are weary of lizard-people forming holograms in the sky.

 

Except the discussions are about nothing of the sort.

[AlexL]

Deleted off-topic posts, this is actually a topic that warrants a thread. Just keep it about Illuminati/conspiracies in GTA V and not in Real life. Thank you.

Oh yeah, my posts were just about that. Off-topic right? Or is it allowed to post only if you call other "conspiracy theorists" crazy?

Edited December 30, 2013 by AlexL

[Thegutang]

 

Lets not forget the 'Lizard People' References that are scattered throughout the game.

 

For anybody who isnt aware, Lizard People are associated with the Illuminati in particular and occultism (and mythology/mysticism in general) as being the controllers and givers of 'illumination' or enlightenment...

That's dummy nonsense, it's meant to distract.

 

Operant conditioning. Look it up. It's a real defined term. Like when you shake a bag of treats and your pet responds.

 

So when someone says "conspiracy" or calls something "suspicious" you associate them with tin-hatted loonies who are weary of lizard-people forming holograms in the sky.

 

Except the discussions are about nothing of the sort.

 

 

 

So 'they' are doing this operant conditioning in order to essentially silence those who might want to speak up about more 'realistic' conspiracies, because instantly they will be associated, ridiculed and discredited. And GTA V is colluding...

Edited December 30, 2013 by Thegutang

[Lil_B_The Basedgod]

people in the hood, including his ex gf, called franklin the illuminati because those type of people have the misconception that you cant get rich and make it out of the hood without the devil help or some sh*t...

[Thegutang]

Franklin's aunt has Illuminati crap all over her house, and he has some too.

 

Merryweather, who is Blackwaters GTA counterpart, is very accurately described by Trevor in what is a real life major conspiracy (not really because the information is confirmed) of international human rights violations, war mongering and profiteering in third worlds paid for by government funds.

[PandaLambpaws]

 

 

Lets not forget the 'Lizard People' References that are scattered throughout the game.

 

For anybody who isnt aware, Lizard People are associated with the Illuminati in particular and occultism (and mythology/mysticism in general) as being the controllers and givers of 'illumination' or enlightenment...

That's dummy nonsense, it's meant to distract.

 

Operant conditioning. Look it up. It's a real defined term. Like when you shake a bag of treats and your pet responds.

 

So when someone says "conspiracy" or calls something "suspicious" you associate them with tin-hatted loonies who are weary of lizard-people forming holograms in the sky.

 

Except the discussions are about nothing of the sort.

 

 

 

So 'they' are doing this operant conditioning in order to essentially silence those who might want to speak up about more 'realistic' conspiracies, because instantly they will be associated, ridiculed and discredited. And GTA V is colluding...

 

I wouldn't say collusionn but maybe unwilling participants

 

 

 

people in the hood, including his ex gf, called franklin the illuminati because those type of people have the misconception that you cant get rich and make it out of the hood without the devil help or some sh*t...

Yea and symbolism is used in writing all the time, it makes for excellent reads and well directed movies. And in this case I'm just talking about good clean fun. It can also be used with ill intention

 

So here we have the character of Franklin, an intelligent, well-rounded young male trying to make good of himself and shake off bad influences, and all these characters around him are saying this stuff; which he probably shrugs off or shakes his head to disapprovingly. Sort of like those PC/Mac commercials with a dweeb representing the PC.

[SmoothGetaway]

A buddy and I were talking about this and I think it's beyond GTAV and goes to all the games. Ostensibly the Illuminati have a massive presence in New York, Miami, LA, San Francisco, and Las Vegas.

 

Coincidence? Probably.

 

We joked that maybe R* was preparing us for some type of takeover and giving us some 'tools' (being the games) to train and fight back.

 

Also we were smoking heavy amounts of Cali's finest so theres that too

Edited December 30, 2013 by SmoothGTA

[Xerukal]

A buddy and I were talking about this and I think it's beyond GTAV and goes to all the games. Ostensibly the Illuminati have a massive presence in New York, Miami, LA, San Francisco, and Las Vegas.

 

Coincidence? Probably.

 

We joked that maybe R* was preparing us for some type of takeover and giving us some 'tools' (being the games) to train and fight back.

 

Also we were smoking heavy amounts of Cali's finest so theres that too

Assassin's Creed has been doing just that, actually. "Preparing".

 

It's the reason the series remains so special to me. It's funny how people tend to see a cheesy sci-fi plot on the surface of the modern day story, when it's really a lot more if you're willing to look for it and, admittedly, connect a few dots.

 

Anyway, doesn't Lester heavily dislike the "lizards"? And wasn't Merryweather a "New World Order private army" as described by Trevor during one of the missions?

Edited December 30, 2013 by Xerukal

[Thegutang]

Research Blackwater Mercenaries, the real life organization that Merryweather is based off of.

 

 

[SmoothGetaway]

@Xerukal

 

Merryweather appears to be based off companies like Blackwater, Sandline International, Triple Canopy, and Executive Outcomes to name a few.

 

They all act as private 'security' (militaries) for whoever can pay. They are mostly staffed by guys coming out of the Navy, Army and Marine Corps with combat experience in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

And yes Lester and Trevor hate anyone who protects corporate interests.

 

Edit- I only played the first AC, but yeah there are elements of what we are talking about in that game too.

Edited December 30, 2013 by SmoothGTA

[Razed-]

What do you guys think of this:

 

http://media.rockstargames.com/rockstargames/img/global/downloads/wallpapers/rockstar/miscellany_domination_1024x768.jpg

http://www.rockstarwarehouse.com/Details/rs-tee-rsmason?pageSize=16&pageNumber=1&sorting=Featured

 

They also used to have a freemason wallpaper but I can't find it. I forgot where I saw it on their site.

[S1LV3R_W0LF]

This is actually interesting, I didn't play GTAV yet but for what I've seen yes there is a lot of things. I'm an investigator and writer about "conspiracies" for near 14 years either in National or International websites, big and small ones like the extinct AlienInsider or big ones like Blackvault and AboveTopSecret. Although currently i only write in National ones and on Facebook Groups. People see us like whoever plans all this want them to see, as the typical nut-case with tin foil that thinks everything is a conspiracy. Although I rather think about myself as an original thinker or at least as someone that looks for answers that actually make sense, because most of the garbage the TV throe at us on a daily basis doesn't make sense at all, but people are too busy or too much hypnotized to notice.

It's well known and was said by many people within the industry that music, movies and even video games are some of the tools used to "prepare" for something, it is called predictive programming, and prepares people to accept something when it happens as something natural. I'll give you some examples. It's said that our actual technology it's 45 years behind the actually capabilities we have, most of that technology is being used in the military to have an advantage above everyone else. People are stunned with the Touch Technology, the Tablets, the Cellphones and all this "latest" technology, although this is all outdated. We are given such technologies when they got something more advanced and it's ok to release this outdated trash to the "peasants". I bet that won't take long that they come with the new "Carbon TV's", because such technology is being mentioned since the 40's, but for now all we have is Plasma, LCD's and LED's and this is just a small fraction.

Anyway I won't extend that talk because we could be here for hours, but I just ask you this, you never though how odd it is that real science is able to reproduce something that was "imagined" by some cinema director? I mean wouldn't be the logical thing to happen the movies get based on actual science and not otherwise? It doesn't make sense that some guy without any knowledge in technology creates something that ends up being possible to make. An example of that was present in "Star Trek", where they had a device in color that allowed them to talk like our "brand new" cellphones with VideoCall. And this was shown on TV when Cellphones didn't exist yet.

Well and I'll stop by here, there is a lot more but this is not the right place for it, I mean most people didn't e but as I was saying the entertainment industry is part of this programming and it's quite possible a big hit like GTA is part of it and no one would know it, I mean Facebook was financed by the CIA and was the cheapest solution they found after spending millions in similar operations to spy on people and now they gladly give all their data and life details for free. The Echelon Satellite did this for years and people didn't even knew and was always denied.

______________

Anyway that was just a small introduction of this reality, because these so called "Illuminati" go way back then most people think, the Egyptian started this "cult" of using the knowledge to control and scare people and it was spread by generations and civilizations for thousands of years. History has a lot more to tell then the BS we're told in school, which most of the times is a lie but society is modeled the same way and if you think different you're labeled as a "Nicholas Copernicus" (he went to the fire because he said the truth, the Earth wasn't the center of the Universe and the Sun didn't go around it).

But as was said GTA have a lot of people working on it, and unless the direction line said to do all of it in that way, it could have just been the creativity and freedom of choice of the developers. So if they didn't knew much about it in a quick search on the Internet they would get all of these common symbols and ideas easy and in a game that the main theme is money (the root of all evil) such theories had to be in it, specially with Characters like Lester the typical Hilly Billy that believes in lizard people and Government Conspiracies. Now the thing about this, it can be just a satire which I think it is, till now I didn't saw anything that have more to tell then the regular meaning (symbolism always have a message/ prediction), or there is a purpose of spreading the message that if you believe in such "BS", you're just like Lester ... a Hilly Billy without anything better to do in life that gets along with criminals.

But in order to understand all this people need to actually learn about the Illuminati, their roots, objectives and factual evidence... but for that they need to learn on their own, it shouldn't be an imposition, otherwise they'll never understand it, but the "subliminal" messages will get them.

[Bozzah]

(huge text)

what you just wrote seemed quite reasonable, unlike many other conspiraticy writers

Maybe I'm just too easy to manipulate, too

 

By the way, I am not sure but I think you have mistaken Lester for Ron or Wade... ? http://gta.wikia.com/Lester_Crest

 

 

However, I can remember that there was quite a lot of Illuminati Stuff in GTA San Andreas aswell.

 

My guess would be that they just like the way how people react when they keep seeing certain symbols. Illuminati easter eggs seem to be quite effective because many people know it, even kids would recognize it.

Maybe Rockstar just wants to make us paranoid

 

I really cannot believe that they would actually try to tell something to the mass.... It would be just too obvious.

 

 

Well, we will only know when something happens (or not). This being said, I'll grab myself some popcorn aswell and wait for some more theories

Edited December 31, 2013 by Bozzah

[S1LV3R_W0LF]

Well I'm not any "kind of people", but it's funny you mention that because it proves exactly my point, you like many other people put a label on us, we only have a different opinion and sometimes better explanations then the "official ones", although because it's not what the masses are used too, we're seen as nut-cases. But most of the times we are normal people like you, that have a life, a job, study degrees but we see things from a different perspective then the most do, and that is precisely because of that massive programing.

I was looking for a very small video with something I'd like you to see, but I can't find it I think it's in my Desktop, I'll post it once I find it.

As for Lester I didn't play the game so I don't know much about it, but Lester is the guy I saw with the Illuminati posts and the "computer" central and Ron is the Hill Billy friend with Trevor that also believes in all that stuff. Well I don't know but I think you got the point.

[MAKAVELlil]

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[MonsieuryvesCantinella]

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