Frank Brown Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Can we discuss this? I feel like it needs discussing. Basically, why the f*ck are we still not allowed to travel to Cuba without first going to Canada breaking the law? It's silly. The Cold War is over, Cuba isn't the Soviet Puppet-State it used to be, and they're not aiming nuclear love missiles at us anymore. What gives? Anyone against lifting the ban? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE GHETTO JEZUS Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Maybe because during the Cold War you guys were ready to have nuclear warfare with them ? While Canada didn't want to deal with that crap ? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phunkism Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) Take a red pill, Cold War was never over Edited March 18, 2014 by phunkism Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Brown Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 Maybe because during the Cold War you guys were ready to have nuclear warfare with them ? While Canada didn't want to deal with that crap ? I can freely travel to Moscow, for about $600, at any time. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Jensen Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Because the US is not the land of the free. You've been lied to your whole life. There, now you know. I know it's a lot to take in. Just breathe. lol232 and Doc Rikowski 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE GHETTO JEZUS Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Maybe because during the Cold War you guys were ready to have nuclear warfare with them ? While Canada didn't want to deal with that crap ? I can freely travel to Moscow, for about $600, at any time. And what does this have to do with going to Cuba ? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Brown Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 Maybe because during the Cold War you guys were ready to have nuclear warfare with them ? While Canada didn't want to deal with that crap ? I can freely travel to Moscow, for about $600, at any time. And what does this have to do with going to Cuba ? You mentioned that we were going to drop/fire nuclear weapons at them and/or have them thrown at us. We had the same fears regarding the Russians but we are now free to travel almost anywhere in Russia. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Sugar! Now that we have other sources of sugar the current vendors don't want us to get inexpensive sugar. Remember when candy bars were a Nickle and jumped to a Dime when the embargo went into effect. Besides Cuba is still a communist state and the Republicans have a deathly fear that the U.S. of A. will become infected. THE GHETTO JEZUS 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Brown Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 Remember when candy bars were a Nickle and jumped to a Dime when the embargo went into effect. I'm not that old, weasel! Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE GHETTO JEZUS Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Maybe because during the Cold War you guys were ready to have nuclear warfare with them ? While Canada didn't want to deal with that crap ? I can freely travel to Moscow, for about $600, at any time. And what does this have to do with going to Cuba ? You mentioned that we were going to drop/fire nuclear weapons at them and/or have them thrown at us. We had the same fears regarding the Russians but we are now free to travel almost anywhere in Russia. Well look at Cuba its a Communist country still ( I think ) and aren't Democratic countries afraid of Communist countries ? I know my history is sh*t but didn't the US put an Embargo on Cuba and maybe that's why Cubans don't really want to associate with Americans ? IDK Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Brown Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) It's our choice to have a travel ban, though. If the Cubans don't like us, fine, f*ck 'em. But that's not the case. We don't like them. Lifting the embargo and travel ban would create jobs and add money to the economy, and trading with a 'communist' nation would probably help to bring them towards a more open market. Edited March 18, 2014 by Vlynor Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
I cucked Alex Jones Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 There is a large Cuban refugee population in Florida and most of them want the bans to remain, and since Florida is a massive swing state any presidential candidate who supports lifting the ban runs the risk of losing Florida. Politics are a bitch. a20characterusername 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
a20characterusername Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 ^Pretty much what I was about to say, especially since a lot of Cuban immigrants to FL tend to be on the conservative side. But IMO there's more to it. It's our choice to have a travel ban, though. If the Cubans don't like us, fine, f*ck 'em. But that's not the case. We don't like them. Lifting the embargo and travel ban would create jobs and add money to the economy, and trading with a 'communist' nation would probably help to bring them towards a more open market. IMO, part of it is that the U.S. doesn't want to "look weak" by admitting it was wrong or some nonsense. The CIA tried a bunch of batsh*t insane plans to take Castro down decades ago and it just made the federal gov't look increasingly incompetent, aggressive, and desperate. Also, the U.S. tends to place sanctions on any country that won't play ball with them politically. *cough*Iran*cough* Doc Rikowski 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunkyman Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Basically, why the f*ck are we still not allowed to travel to Cuba without first going to Canada breaking the law? It's silly. As lil weasel said, sugar companies don't want competition so they tend to lobby to keep the US as isolated as possible from Cuba. Although travel isn't directly tied to lifting the embargo, it's still a good idea from their perspective to see as little progress made as possible. They're also the reason that sugar prices are twice the international price because of tariffs. The anti-Cuba travel laws don't get repealed for a number of reasons other than lobbying as well. Politicians tend to only care about bumper sticker issues, i.e. things that win reelections because people get highly emotional concerning the issue. Since people generally have no concern over embargoes or travel laws with Cuba, politicians likewise have no reason to bother wasting their time on this small issue. Trying to repeal the bans also serves as ammunition to use against you by your political opponents, as you can be accused of supporting dictatorships. a20characterusername 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLand Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 You Americans can't go to many countries without going through a lot of paperwork/visas... You can't go to: -North Korea and if you do general people there would not like you too much -Iran -Belarus -Cuba -Vietnam - And other non recognized states like: Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia... As a Spanish citizen, the only place which i can think of that i could have trouble going to for the only reason of being Spanish is maybe Gibraltar. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killerdude Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I wasn't aware that it was Illegal for Americans to go to Cuba, I guess you learn something new everyday. I know there was some sh*t in the 60's that the US didn't like, I'm guessing this is a remnant of that. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Brown Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 You Americans can't go to many countries without going through a lot of paperwork/visas... You can't go to: -North Korea and if you do general people there would not like you too much -Iran -Belarus -Cuba -Vietnam They have DPRK tours somewhere, I forgot the exact location. I think they're state sanctioned. Iran allows American tourists with travel groups. Vietnam requires a visa and so does Belarus. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunner71 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Because you'd become a god damn COMMIE, enemy of the AMERICAN DEMOCRACY AND LIBERTY. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
a20characterusername Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 They have DPRK tours somewhere, I forgot the exact location. I think they're state sanctioned. Iran allows American tourists with travel groups. Vietnam requires a visa and so does Belarus. ^Yeah, I've seen a few documentaries concerning American/UK tourists in NK, really interesting stuff. Pyongyang looks like a giant movie set. Hardly any cars or people walking around either. Then again a few quick film edits can change the context entirely. In any case, I don't think too many Americans are losing too much sleep over the fact that they can't freely travel to and from North Korea. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLand Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) You Americans can't go to many countries without going through a lot of paperwork/visas... You can't go to: -North Korea and if you do general people there would not like you too much -Iran -Belarus -Cuba -Vietnam They have DPRK tours somewhere, I forgot the exact location. I think they're state sanctioned. Iran allows American tourists with travel groups. Vietnam requires a visa and so does Belarus. Sorry I didn't explain myself properly, All im saying is that you have extra trouble for holding an American passport than any other visiting those countries i mention. Edited March 18, 2014 by SouthLand Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunner71 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Does even North Korea accept American citizens as tourists? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLand Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Does even North Korea accept American citizens as tourists? Bai Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alhalish Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Does even North Korea accept American citizens as tourists? Only if they accept the glorious Supreme Leader as their God and Savior and the Master of Universe, and condemn whoever the current president of USA is as the" Western Devil, Symbol of Western Oppression". ...I am not making that up. gtamann123 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/694348-cuban-travel-ban/#findComment-1065002931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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