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Jimbatron

The IV versus V debate

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Midnightz

Gawd, you guys are ridiculous sometimes.

 

In this context, he is using the word variety as in, diverse number of options. Hence, we have a variety of options here for X, whereas, IV just didn't. There is far more content in V. That's not opinion, it's just fact.

 

He is not talking about whether you enjoyed the selection of X more or less. That would be a matter of opinion.

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CantThinkOfOne2013

Life is definitely subjective though, CantThink doesn't know what the hell he's talking about...

 

I do know what I'm talking about and I mentioned it a few posts ago, but seeing as though we are onto another page, I will say it again:

 

In GTA V, there was actually golfers and golf carts at the golf course, construction vehicles and workers at the construction sites, the bus actually moved and planes can be seen taking off and landing at the airport. None of that happened in GTA IV.

Gawd, you guys are ridiculous sometimes.

In this context, he is using the word variety as in, diverse number of options. Hence, we have a variety of options here for X, whereas, IV just didn't. There is far more content in V. That's not opinion, it's just fact.

He is not talking about whether you enjoyed the selection of X more or less. That would be a matter of opinion.


Exactly this.
Anyway, StingrayX doesn't enjoy GTA IV's (lack of) vehicle variety more, he enjoys the generic cars in GTA IV more, he has said so on other threads.

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Midnightz

My take on IV was that they were still learning how to work with the new engine. In some ways, it was revolutionary for the series. But it was also stripped of so much content that its predecessor had. It felt like a step backwards in that respect. You can't take away previous toys AND provide an awkward gameplay experience without running head first into a wall of fan disappointment. That said, every GTA has a bit of a learning curve because something you were accustomed to previously, will be different in the next one. When I look back over the series, I remember how each change was frustrating at first but then I would grow to love it. Unfortunately, IV was the only exception for me as I could never enjoy those changes - despite wanting to. IMO, V makes it fun again. Maybe not in all ways that I'd like but it's TONS more fun than IV.

 

I'm going to say this now: It is likely that when R* recreates Vice City next, I will still probably favor V because it's located in SA. (GTASA was the favorite until V.)

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Miamivicecity

Life:

In GTA V, there was actually golfers and golf carts at the golf course, construction vehicles and workers at the construction sites, the bus actually moved and planes can be seen taking off and landing at the airport. None of that happened in GTA IV, life is not subjective.

I agree that that GTA V has golfers using golf carts, buses driving around etc. None of this can be disputed, but why do you say construction workers don't occupy the construction sites in GTA IV? I don't know whether you just go at the wrong times, but this is completely wrong. I play GTA IV almost everyday and I always find construction workers at various construction sites around the city.

 

Anyway it seems you only factor in vehicle variety and how "life" is interpreted in both game which I don't think is fair as there are other factors that make up "life". Lets talk about the things peds do shall we? Of course there are things the peds do in GTA V differently (some of it's listed above)to those in GTA IV, but the same thing is true the other way around.

 

For example..

 

-GTA IV has a cabaret club where peds actually line up at night time and the bouncer on duty lets them in. GTA V doesn't have this.

 

-The various vendors around the city are actually used by not just the player, but peds too. In GTA V they're useless props despite the opening credits showing peds using them.

 

-When it rains peds get their umbrellas. They don't do this in GTA V.

 

-Peds will actually board the heli-tours helicopters and go on their own tours. GTA V has the Vinewood Tours van, but you never see peds boarding it themselves.

 

Depending on how you interpret it "life" is quite subjective as both games do things differently to each other. I feel GTA IV is a much more alive game than GTA V for those above reasons above.

 

If you feel GTA V is for your reasons I don't really see anything wrong with that. Saying it isn't subjective though is rather ignorant.

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Midnightz

*remembers the very long list of ped activity in V she posted awhile ago* There's a lot going on in V actually. Peds don't have umbrellas but they walk differently in the rain - faster, covering their heads etc. Anyway, I think what he's saying here is just this: there's a wider variety of peds (more unique models used) and there are is a wider variety and quantity of assigned activities for them. Thus, the entire map has more activity overall. My gosh, even the military base has soldiers doing drills.

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Eutyphro

Anyway, StingrayX doesn't enjoy GTA IV's (lack of) vehicle variety more, he enjoys the generic cars in GTA IV more, he has said so on other threads.

 

 

You mean, the great range of vehicles IV and EFLC has in stead of the generic supercars that all have perfect cornering ability? Oke, that isn't even my real opinion. I actually like all the new cars, but saying IV has 'generic cars' is just stupid as hell.

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Miamivicecity

Just as a side note it seems people misinterpreted what I was saying about the stock market in GTA IV. I wasn't necessarily saying it would be something for Niko, Johnny and Luis though it appears some are saying it's just for "yuppies" well if it doesn't fit them how does it fit Trevor and Franklin? Trevor especially isn't someone I'd picture trading stocks.

 

Besides I was only saying it could've been done in a DLC meaning a different protagonist and only if the economy system was decent enough to match.

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CantThinkOfOne2013

 

Life:
In GTA V, there was actually golfers and golf carts at the golf course, construction vehicles and workers at the construction sites, the bus actually moved and planes can be seen taking off and landing at the airport. None of that happened in GTA IV, life is not subjective.


I agree that that GTA V has golfers using golf carts, buses driving around etc. None of this can be disputed, but why do you say construction workers don't occupy the construction sites in GTA IV? I don't know whether you just go at the wrong times, but this is completely wrong. I play GTA IV almost everyday and I always find construction workers at various construction sites around the city.

Anyway it seems you only factor in vehicle variety and how "life" is interpreted in both game which I don't think is fair as there are other factors that make up "life". Lets talk about the things peds do shall we? Of course there are things the peds do in GTA V differently (some of it's listed above)to those in GTA IV, but the same thing is true the other way around.

For example..

-GTA IV has a cabaret club where peds actually line up at night time and the bouncer on duty lets them in. GTA V doesn't have this.

-The various vendors around the city are actually used by not just the player, but peds too. In GTA V they're useless props despite the opening credits showing peds using them.

-When it rains peds get their umbrellas. They don't do this in GTA V.

-Peds will actually board the heli-tours helicopters and go on their own tours. GTA V has the Vinewood Tours van, but you never see peds boarding it themselves.

Depending on how you interpret it "life" is quite subjective as both games do things differently to each other. I feel GTA IV is a much more alive game than GTA V for those above reasons above.

If you feel GTA V is for your reasons I don't really see anything wrong with that. Saying it isn't subjective though is rather ignorant.

 

What construction sites do you see workers at in IV? I don't remember seeing anyone at any of them, I might load up EFLC and check, anway, there are still no construction vehicles.

In GTA V, you can see peds lining up for nightclubs during the night, you can't enter them and to the crappy dancing minigame but there is still life there. Your right about the umbrella's but peds still interact with the rain, apparently it rarely ever rains in real life Los Angeles so that could be an explanation for the lack of umbrella's.

Your right about the helitours, that was one place in IV that was rich with life but at least there are still people on the tour bus.

 

 

You mean, the great range of vehicles IV and EFLC has in stead of the generic supercars that all have perfect cornering ability? Oke, that isn't even my real opinion. I actually like all the new cars, but saying IV has 'generic cars' is just stupid as hell.

 

What unique vehicles were there in GTA IV? and I mean vanilla IV (using ELFC in the debate is like using VCS when talking about VC) and I mean vehicles that were available in free roam.

If you think about that then you will see what I mean about generic cars.

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Midnightz

Ha, anyone can play the stock market but if your source of income is questionable, your investments and returns become scrutinized. And then there's taxes on dividends of which the game does not apply. It's a silly system for anyone and thus anyone could play.

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Miamivicecity

What construction sites do you see workers at in IV? I don't remember seeing anyone at any of them, I might load up EFLC and check, anway, there are still no construction vehicles.

The site where "Deconstruction For Beginners" is. There's also a site not far from Niko's Bohan safehouse near one of the stunt jumps (where you take vehicles for Stevie).

 

The one in Chinatown where "This sh*t's Cursed" from TLAD is normally has them too. Most of the time when they're empty seems to either be at late or very early morning hours. Maybe it depends If it's the weekend, but construction workers do occupy them.

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Eutyphro

 

 

 

You mean, the great range of vehicles IV and EFLC has in stead of the generic supercars that all have perfect cornering ability? Oke, that isn't even my real opinion. I actually like all the new cars, but saying IV has 'generic cars' is just stupid as hell.

 

What unique vehicles were there in GTA IV? and I mean vanilla IV (using ELFC in the debate is like using VCS when talking about VC) and I mean vehicles that were available in free roam.

If you think about that then you will see what I mean about generic cars.

 

 

IV:

 

4: Unique vehicles

4.1 - Solid Black Roman's Taxi

4.2 - Roman's Taxi

4.3 - Laundromat (1st of 2)

4.4 - Police Stockade w/ mesh window

4.5 - Laundromat (2nd of 2)

4.6 - Police Stockade

4.7 - Romero

 

TLaD

 

3: Unique vehicles

3.1 - Prison Bus (1st of 2)

3.2 - Laundromat

3.3 - Regina

3.4 - Roman's Taxi

3.5 - Lustered Black Laundromat (UJ)

3.6 - Prison Bus (2nd of 2) (UJ)

3.7 - Bright Orange Infernus w/ black side stripe

 

TBoGT

 

3: Unique vehicles

3.1 - Swift w/ side doors open (1st of 2)

3.2 - Caddy

3.3 - Caged Caddy (UJ)

3.4 - Swift w/ side doors closed (1st of 2)

3.5 - Skylift (1st of 2)

3.6 - Lustered Stretch E

3.7 - Black Slamvan

3.8 - Swift w/ side doors open (2nd of 2)

3.9 - Johnny's Hexer (UJ)

3.10- Skylift (2nd of 2)

3.11- Bati Custom

3.12- Swift w/ side doors closed (2nd of 2)

3.13- Schafter (redesign)

 

 

From Lancets guides. Does that answer your question? What the hell do you mean by 'unique vehicles'? So what unique vehicles does V have in free roam? The Weeny Issi and Beejay XL? VCS is not to VC what EFLC is to IV. You know it is not but you are just acting like you think so to make a better point. Stop being dumb about that.

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CantThinkOfOne2013

@SonOfLiberty:

I will have to check sometime

 

@gtaxpert:

The Laundromat is not in free roam, neither is the Police Stockade or the Romero. You could have mentioned the Mr Tasty, Sultan RS and the Helitours Maverick, those are unique vehicles which are in free roam.

And seeing as though you mentioned TLaD and TBoGT even though it's unfair to include them in the debate, the Prison Bus, Laundromat and Roman's Taxi are not in free roam in TLaD and the Regina is not a unique vehicle.

In TBoGT, the Caddy, Skylift and Bati Custom and the Slamvan are not in free roam, the Schafter is not unique.

And seeing as though you asked:
UNIQUE VEHICLES IN GTA V:

  • Caddy
  • Lawn Mower
  • Mixer
  • Dozer
  • Utility Van
  • Taco Van
  • Police Maverick
  • Air Ambulance
  • Unmarked Cruiser
  • Tour Bus
  • Airport Bus
  • Shuttle Bus
  • 747
  • Luxor
  • Shamal
  • Duster
  • Vestra
  • Bifta
  • Dune Buggy
  • Injection
  • Blazer
  • Tractor
  • Fieldsmaster
  • Prison Bus
  • Sanchez
  • Mallard
  • Roosevelt
  • Bicycles
  • Rat Loader
  • Romero

I can't be bothered listing anymore, the list of unique vehicles in GTA V is like this debate, it just goes on and on and on.

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Osho

Talking about the stock markets, and other few decent ideas in the game, the only thing that attracts attention thats slightly disrespectful, opposite and in the manner, many appreciate for at least, the attempt of the Developers to bring some thing new and different, the only failure on Rockstars part is to apply these ideas with more improvements it clearly could have been done, unless for various development reasons, or else.

 

Thats why, they still have the time, now that there's no pressure, and also they are certainly not in the crowd of yearly title releases, they should not disregard the minor and major flaws seen in their implementation, even few patching and fixing incl. more dumbed down versions (for instance: property missions, presence of restrictions to common areas, etc) than the previous titles, it still leaves every possibility for them to bring the game to a respectable point.

 

The story, the language, the characters and the map design, are some areas that will remain the main points of criticism, even doubt that the dlc will improve it significantly any of those.

 

And PC version will be the best gift for me.

 

These will be enough "game play" wise to get close and even improve on "GTA IV" for good.

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Eutyphro

So you mean 'unique' as in not a standard passenger road car? Lancet's guide has unique as not available from spawning in the street and limited availability... None of the vehicles you listed that IV or EFLC doesn't have would've maked it better. Maybe V has more of these bullsh*t type vehicles. That doesn't make it better though. R* adds whatever vehicle is useful in the context of the theme and setting of the game. I don't think any significant type of vehicle is missing from IV the complete edition. Name me one that would've made a significant positive impact.

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The Odyssey

 

@Officer General

 

Saying V's mission were too over the top for a GTA game is like saying SA's missions were as well, along with Vice City's and III. V took the same route in terms of missions suitable for the game as the previous installments. I could understand IV's being serious, as it was a mostly serious game. But you can't go up and say V's missions were too over the top when in previous games you could steal a jackpack from a military base to retrieve alien goo from a freight train, intercept a military convoy and steal a tank, and jump on a speeding plane using only a bike.

And how many times do I have to repeat on here that was the one part of SA's story I did not like ? I've said many times that Mike Toreno and jetpack stuff was a bit too silly and over the top for GTA, and I found that part of the story kinda boring too. But rest of SA's was interesting and entertaining enough. That over the top stuff in SA was only in one section of the game. In GTA V, there is too much of it, as it relates to off-course stuff to do with federal and government agents, the war on terror, and nuclear weapons. The bulk of V's story revolved around all that stuff and that's what really put me off V's story.

 

I don't mind crazy, over the top stuff in GTA as long as it's not too much, and this was the case until V.

 

 

 

Please, even IV had over-the-top stuff. Maybe not in missions, but I'd call jumping off Rotterdam Tower whilst Niko shoots rockets aimlessly over the top. It's in GTA's blood. Tommy single handily take over a city is over the top, CJ going from a run down neighborhood to owning a casino, car business, a military jetpack and a Hydra is over the top, Claude killing, betraying and silencing hundreds of people just to get revenge on a girl who double crossed him is over the top.

 

If you really think that one section of SA was the only over the top part, I think you need to play GTA SA again. What about all those action packed prep tasks, just for one casino heist? What about killing Big Smoke? What about kidnaping and killing celebrities, stealing their lyrics, and stealing sound systems just because some rapper wants to become famous? "Too much" Over the top has always been a part of GTA.

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TheDjsicdog

I wasn't a big fan of gta iv but I love gta V

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Official General

Just as a side note it seems people misinterpreted what I was saying about the stock market in GTA IV. I wasn't necessarily saying it would be something for Niko, Johnny and Luis though it appears some are saying it's just for "yuppies" well if it doesn't fit them how does it fit Trevor and Franklin? Trevor especially isn't someone I'd picture trading stocks.

 

Besides I was only saying it could've been done in a DLC meaning a different protagonist and only if the economy system was decent enough to match.

 

Ermm, I have already tried explaining this to that Biohazard guy, but he obviously was not intelligent enough to grasp this.

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Gnocchi Flip Flops

 

Life is definitely subjective though, CantThink doesn't know what the hell he's talking about...

 

I do know what I'm talking about and I mentioned it a few posts ago, but seeing as though we are onto another page, I will say it again:

 

In GTA V, there was actually golfers and golf carts at the golf course, construction vehicles and workers at the construction sites, the bus actually moved and planes can be seen taking off and landing at the airport. None of that happened in GTA IV.

 

Gawd, you guys are ridiculous sometimes.

 

In this context, he is using the word variety as in, diverse number of options. Hence, we have a variety of options here for X, whereas, IV just didn't. There is far more content in V. That's not opinion, it's just fact.

 

He is not talking about whether you enjoyed the selection of X more or less. That would be a matter of opinion.

 

Exactly this.

Anyway, StingrayX doesn't enjoy GTA IV's (lack of) vehicle variety more, he enjoys the generic cars in GTA IV more, he has said so on other threads.

 

You don't even understand do you. The opinion on which game has better life can be agreed and disagreed on!

 

@TheMasterfocker: I understand what you're saying. However why would an argument like this even matter? I mean it is obvious that V has more content but sh*t, I don't see how that produces any quality discussions. Discussing more in-depth things like quality matters more.

 

BTW: CantThinkofOne2013, who said I only liked generic cars?

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Bi0ha2ard_q8

 

Just as a side note it seems people misinterpreted what I was saying about the stock market in GTA IV. I wasn't necessarily saying it would be something for Niko, Johnny and Luis though it appears some are saying it's just for "yuppies" well if it doesn't fit them how does it fit Trevor and Franklin? Trevor especially isn't someone I'd picture trading stocks.

 

Besides I was only saying it could've been done in a DLC meaning a different protagonist and only if the economy system was decent enough to match.

 

Ermm, I have already tried explaining this to that Biohazard guy, but he obviously was not intelligent enough to grasp this.

 

 

Yup, wasn't intelligent enough to figure out you guys were talking about an alternate history. My bad.

The stock market fit Fraklin, Assassination missions. It doesn't fit Trevor but fits the theme of the game.

Kinda like the taxi missions. They fit Franklin but are included for T and M.

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Geralt of Rivia

An argument like this doesn't matter. No arguments on this forum matter lol. They're all pointless. Nobody's gonna change their opinion purely by what people said.

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Miamivicecity

An argument like this doesn't matter. No arguments on this forum matter lol. They're all pointless. Nobody's gonna change their opinion purely by what people said.

I agree. It's a bit like this thread. GTA V fans are living in denial if they truly believe GTA V is the better game.

 

:p

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Geralt of Rivia

 

An argument like this doesn't matter. No arguments on this forum matter lol. They're all pointless. Nobody's gonna change their opinion purely by what people said.

I agree. It's a bit like this thread. GTA V fans are living in denial if they truly believe GTA V is the better game.

 

:p

I think what you meant is:

 

"This thread is pointless because there's no possible way that GTA IV is better than V"

 

OG: Do you ever post anything that doesn't insult people? Do you believe they're all opposing gang members or something? :lol:

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LukeMeyer11

Crime Based Parts of GTA V

-Stealing Cars

-Robbing Banks

-Military Base

-Almost Every Mission

-Robbing Stores

-Assissnations

GTa IV Crime Realated Activites

Assinations

Stealing Cars

I rest my case

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FranklinDeRoosevelt

I'll put it in the best way possible from my perspective, GTA IV has it's flaws and pro's, GTA V has it's flaws and pro's, end of. The only difference is the "Opinion" on which game is better, a lot of people will love GTA V, or love GTA IV and vice versa.

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Official General

OG: Do you ever post anything that doesn't insult people? Do you believe they're all opposing gang members or something? :lol:

 

Lol that's funny. Yeah you're an opposing gang member, a member of the Rockstar Ass Lickin' Posse, and I have to galvanize my crew against you all that try to force to us to believe that GTA V is so great when it's clearly not :cool:

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Niobium

 

 

Just as a side note it seems people misinterpreted what I was saying about the stock market in GTA IV. I wasn't necessarily saying it would be something for Niko, Johnny and Luis though it appears some are saying it's just for "yuppies" well if it doesn't fit them how does it fit Trevor and Franklin? Trevor especially isn't someone I'd picture trading stocks.

 

Besides I was only saying it could've been done in a DLC meaning a different protagonist and only if the economy system was decent enough to match.

Ermm, I have already tried explaining this to that Biohazard guy, but he obviously was not intelligent enough to grasp this.

Yeah. Besides, you do not even need to be an expert in finance to participate in the stock market. This means any random person can invest in stocks. So I can definetely see Niko or even maybe Johnny invest in stocks.

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FranklinDeRoosevelt

Yes investing in stocks isn't relatively rocket science, but it's only more beneficial if you have a lot of money, and the more money you put on a stock that is rising, the more money you make. So technically, if you are poor/middle class, there is no point of investing in stocks at all, unless you want to approach the gambling style and investing all your money on it.

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Geralt of Rivia

When you give a plain look at it, stocks aren't hard. Buy low; sell high.

 

However, there's soooooooooooo much more to it than that when you dwell deeper into it.

 

I'm getting into real life, however. Video games don't need to make sense. Stocks in IV wouldn't really fit because of the way IV was, but if the game was a little different, it'd fit pretty well.

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Gnocchi Flip Flops

I'll put it in the best way possible from my perspective, GTA IV has it's flaws and pro's, GTA V has it's flaws and pro's, end of. The only difference is the "Opinion" on which game is better, a lot of people will love GTA V, or love GTA IV and vice versa.

:^: Truer words never been spoken.

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Bi0ha2ard_q8

When you give a plain look at it, stocks aren't hard. Buy low; sell high.

 

However, there's soooooooooooo much more to it than that when you dwell deeper into it.

 

I'm getting into real life, however. Video games don't need to make sense. Stocks in IV wouldn't really fit because of the way IV was, but if the game was a little different, it'd fit pretty well.

 

Yeah that's what I was trying to tell the Official guy but he wasn't intelligent eno nah nah naah na na naaa.

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