Malaysia Airlines MH370 plane vanishes from radar screens! (2014)

[poklane]

What would cause the plane to divert from its original flight plan that much, and how come they only found out now? Maybe even more importantly how did they find that out? On a bit of a lighter note, why do the two Iranian fellas have the exact same legs on this picture that was released?

IMO seems like something went wrong while they were copying the picture on the left. A monkey could see that either something went wrong or it's a horrible edit.

[ryan_J]

There was a report about a cell phone answering but nothing could be heard, it was in a UK paper can't remember which one.

[Raavi]

 

What would cause the plane to divert from its original flight plan that much, and how come they only found out now? Maybe even more importantly how did they find that out? On a bit of a lighter note, why do the two Iranian fellas have the exact same legs on this picture that was released?

IMO seems like something went wrong while they were copying the picture on the left. A monkey could see that either something went wrong or it's a horrible edit.

 

 

Of course, to be fair it is a stupid mistake. Either way it has already stirred up conspiracy theories as to why "they" are trying to hide what the guy on the left picture is carrying. Gotta love them theorists.

Edited March 12, 2014 by Raavi

[Mr Oraange]

NPR article regarding the phone calls.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/11/288998085/ringing-phones-do-not-mean-malaysian-passengers-are-ok

Edited March 12, 2014 by Mr Oraange

[El Dildo]

...yes clearly there are more questions than answers.

[Odyseous2040]

thousand of people are searching, even me lol

why not right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This website allows you to do a grid search of the ocean area that the plane's last location was believed to be.

 

 

They took a huge satellite photo of the ocean there and are letting us help search it!

 

 

Go to http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014

 

no signups or anything you literally go right to searching.

 

I looked through 2 thousand grids before I gave up.

 

Maybe somebody like you might find them?

 

[Kirsty]

^ Amazing, I'm going through that now. Also somewhat freaky though if you do happen to come across something...

[Audiophile]

I'll put some time into that link tomorrow when I have time after class.

 

I briefly looked at it now. Dat cloud cover doe....And yeah, would be really eerie if you come across something.

 

But honestly, I think that plane might be underwater by now.

 

I think they were able to find parts of debris from Air France 447 in under 5 days, weren't they?

[Kiffster]

^ they found the first bits of debris within 5 days after the plane went missing, but the plane's final resting place along with its black boxes were only located about 2 years later.

Edited March 12, 2014 by Werebot85

[Odyseous2040]

yeah. I searched through 2600 grids.

And am even on a fb group that's coordinating searches and sharing each others finds.

i believe they update the map with a new search area tomorrow.

will be back at it to look through another 5000 more grids.

IF we find something, itll be because of this website

[Audiophile]

^ they found the first bits of debris within 5 days after the plane went missing, but the plane's final resting place along with its black boxes were only located about 2 years later.

Indeed. I remember they couldn't find the black box within the 30 days that it gives off a signal. And it wasn't until 2 years later that they found and were able to recover the data on it, parts of the plane and I believe some bodies.

 

A few bodies were never recovered, I believe, even after all this time.

 

I hope this flight won't have a similar fate but it's looking like it.

 

At least the interwebs is banding together for the search effort.

[Raavi]

The big problem is that the aircraft had the better part of 7 hours of fuel left when it vanished off the radar. So if it didn't immediately crash and was indeed hijacked or diverted because of some other reason we're talking a search area spanning the entirety of Southeast Asia and a large chunk of Northeast Asia, but it could've also easily gone in the other direction as far as Oman or even Australia, hell it could've almost gone as far down as Mauritius and everything in-between. That includes some highly dense and rough terrain. Of course it is highly unlikely it flew that far off-course (and wasn't intercepted by that nation's friendly neighborhood air force), but at this point and with the conflicting reports of Malaysian officials pretty much everything is still possible.

Edited March 12, 2014 by Raavi

[Shane_Dbns]

I remember this story about a rugby team's plane which crashed in a jungle somewhere and because they were so desperate for food, they killed and ate each other. If the passengers are by some chance alive, they should really hurry up and find them before something like I mentioned happens.

Edited March 12, 2014 by Lil Jacob 27

[RoadRunner71]

I remember this story about a rugby team's plane which crashed in a jungle somewhere and because they were so desperate for food, they killed and ate each other. If the passengers are by some chance alive, they should really hurry up and find them before something like I mentioned happened.

I think you mean the Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571 crash in 1972 in the Andes range. They ate dead bodies but they didn't kill among themselves.

[K^2]

The big problem is that the aircraft had the better part of 7 hours of fuel left when it vanished off the radar. So if it didn't immediately crash and was indeed hijacked or diverted...

There are only two ways that an airliner vanishes from radar. Plummeting towards the ground or disintegration. Any other diversion from course should have been gradual enough to be picked up. Had the plane exploded or disintegrated, there would debris scattered for miles around the place where it went off radar, so we must assume a rapid dive. If it has plummeted all the way to the surface, debris would be far more localized, but in a far more predictable location as well. So we can exclude that as well, most likely.

 

So the only thing that fits is a rapid dive, followed by leveling out and making it some way before crashing somewhere. Given how sudden the dive was, I would rule out hijacking. Could have been an emergency as consequence of an attempted one, but the dive wasn't part of the plan. That leads to three main possibilities I can think of. Loss of cabin pressure, auto-pilot failure, or control failure. Auto-pilot failure is the only one that leaves the plane in condition to keep on going, but it leaves the question of why there was no radio communication. So it's either a hijacking that went horribly-wrong, probably with the loss of pilots, or an emergency that resulted in a dive and loss of radio. The only reasonable explanation for the later is a major electrical fire.

 

All in all, it adds up to the following. While the plane might not have crashed near where it went off-radar, it was in no condition to make it far. We aren't talking about 7 hours of flight time. Whatever resulted in the initial dive, odds are, after recovering, pilot was doing all he could to keep the plane flying, be it due to lack of instruments, problem with hydraulics, or engine failure. This ends either in a crash or bad attempted water-landing which results in the plane breaking up and sinking almost instantly with all souls. This would add up to little debris located significantly off course from where the plane's last location would be. On the off chance that some control was retained, at least for a while, I'd focus search on assumption that pilot would try to take the plane towards nearest land and nearest airport.

[Detective Phelps]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26541057

 

The last communication received from a Malaysia Airlines plane suggests everything was normal on board minutes before it went missing over the South China Sea, Malaysian authorities say.

Flight MH370 replied "All right, roger that" to a radio message from Malaysian air control, authorities said.

Edited March 12, 2014 by Los Santos Police Department

[Audiophile]

This might just be it:

 

 

Chinese agency: A Chinese satellite looking into the missing Flight 370 "observed a suspected crash area at sea."

 

http://www.news8000.com/news/confusion-clouds-search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight/24931190

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

Edited March 12, 2014 by Audiophile

[K^2]

This might just be it:

 

Chinese agency: A Chinese satellite looking into the missing Flight 370 "observed a suspected crash area at sea."

http://www.news8000.com/news/confusion-clouds-search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight/24931190

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

 

I saw an oil rig in the area that looks just like that, but a bit easier to tell that it's an oil rig, thanks to higher resolution on tomnod.

[Raavi]

 

This might just be it:

 

Chinese agency: A Chinese satellite looking into the missing Flight 370 "observed a suspected crash area at sea."

http://www.news8000.com/news/confusion-clouds-search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight/24931190

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

 

I saw an oil rig in the area that looks just like that, but a bit easier to tell that it's an oil rig, thanks to higher resolution on tomnod.

 

 

I also found an oil rig that looks similar. But the problem with Tonmod is I that don't know where it is I'm searching, would be nice if they gave you an exact location where the square you are looking at is located, so you could focus on a specific area on the grid.

[Max]

 

 

This might just be it:

 

Chinese agency: A Chinese satellite looking into the missing Flight 370 "observed a suspected crash area at sea."

http://www.news8000.com/news/confusion-clouds-search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight/24931190

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

 

I saw an oil rig in the area that looks just like that, but a bit easier to tell that it's an oil rig, thanks to higher resolution on tomnod.

 

 

I also found an oil rig that looks similar. But the problem with Tonmod is I that don't know where it is I'm searching, would be nice if they gave you an exact location where the square you are looking at is located, so you could focus on a specific area on the grid.

 

At least its working for you. Keeps saying that the server is down whenever I try.

[Audiophile]

I guess we have to wait and see how legit this is.

 

But considering it's the Chinese, I'm sure they checked it out before releasing it to the public. It would be embarrassing to release this and then have it be nothing related to the flight.

 

The image is apparently from Sunday. The Chinese gave the following coordinates of 105.63 east longitude, 6.7 north latitude. But like others mentioned, it doesn't let you input that in Tomnod.

 

Also:

 

The objects aren't small: 13 by 18 meters (43 by 59 feet), 14 by 19 meters (46 by 62 feet) and 24 by 22 meters (79 feet by 72 feet). For reference, the wingspan of an intact Boeing 777-200ER like the one that disappeared is about 61 meters (200 feet) and its overall length is about 64 meters (210 feet).

 

I don't know, guys, I think this just might be it.

Edited March 12, 2014 by Audiophile

[Odyseous2040]

Unfortunately tomnod is very bad at giving you an idea where your searching,

 

they rely on the masses just filtering through thousands of images in hopes we might see something that could help.

 

Like an immediate, "quick find something" kind of mentality

if they put more structure into the site like you guys mentioned then maybe we could be of more use.

 

so for now im calling it quits on tomnod,

maybe if they updated the maps,

or maybe if what the Chinese shared with us really turns out to be mystery solved.

Either way its break time. Nothing else to do but wait.

 

Really cool idea though I liked feeling like I was helping.

[Audiophile]

We should know if it truly is debris from the plane soon. A Malaysian search aircraft is en route to the location the Chinese gave. And they're saying that the satellite images do suggest it's a crash site.

 

Edited March 13, 2014 by Audiophile

[Raavi]

Not every expert seems to be convinced this is indeed debris from the missing flight.

 

Former NTSB avation safety director Tom Hauter has gone on record saying he didn't believe the images were of Flight MH370

"It doesn't [look like the plane]," Hauter said. "Just by the size, any aircraft structure that size will sink – 70 by 70 feet, 70 by 40 feet is too big. It will sink. It wouldn't float like this. You got to trace down everything. You have to look at everything that couples. Certainly, you need to find and verify what this is, but I would be surprised if it's a piece of the airplane."

 

 

 

On one hand I hope it is true that the debris does indeed belong to flight MH370, just to give the families closure and allow them to peacefully start the grieving process. On the other hand I hope one of the outlandish theories allegedly being pursued by US investigators turns out to be true, as that could mean that here are survivors.

[THE_TREVALEV]

Could this be it?

[Raavi]

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you're looking at it, not.

 

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/03/12/chicago-man-spots-image-may-be-malaysian-plane-or-a-boat/

Edited March 13, 2014 by Raavi

[Slamman]

It's just a plain (not pun'ing it with 'plane' sad mystery this day and age that they can't find it and give the people closure. You can just imagine the pain being one of the effected family members. Was there a sabotage attempt? I believe it's entirely possible given the fact there were stolen passports involved and what we Do know of those stowaways

[THE_TREVALEV]

I don't really have any theories as to what could have happened, but this is a creepy, strange situation. I've read theories on reddit, and it's all just crazy. Some say it could have hijacked and landed on some remote island, some say it could have disintegrated and a majority of the plane either sank or was destroyed,etc. It's tragically bizarre. But I have a few questions.

1.$Relatives say that when they call their phones, it rings until it goes to voice mail. Wouldn't a phone have to be on for it ring? When my phone is off, it rings maybe once and goes straight to voice mail, so if the phones were destroyed, shouldn't it do the same? But how could it ring in the middle of the ocean without cell phone towers?

2. Doesn't the black box give off a signal? I heard a switch must be turned on in the plane, but I'm clueless about aviation technology.

I probably sound stupid and am late.

Edited March 13, 2014 by THE_TREVALEV

[RoadRunner71]

It's just a plain (not pun'ing it with 'plane' sad mystery this day and age that they can't find it and give the people closure. You can just imagine the pain being one of the effected family members. Was there a sabotage attempt? I believe it's entirely possible given the fact there were stolen passports involved and what we Do know of those stowaways

It was already dismissed the relation of the stolen passports with the incident, as apparently they were just immigrants who planned to go to Germany.

[Wayne Daniels]

On the other hand I hope one of the outlandish theories allegedly being pursued by US investigators turns out to be true, as that could mean that here are survivors.

Survivors, at what cost?If that is true, then a group of highly coordinated people have 239 hostages, could you imagine that? If that was a famiy member of mine I would have rathered the plane crashed, as bad as that sounds...