Yay, a new DLC...Oh wait

[Red Lynx 23]

Warning: post contains major spoilers.

Online is lame. single player all day, single player all night.

Your GIF is funnier every time I see it, I love Trevor, but WOW imagine...

 

Trev is a minor character and gets killed by Johnny in the first mission then who would be the protag? RON!!!!!! RIP Johnny

Use spoiler tags in future.

Better yet, if Chef had never been created and Johnny took his place in two of the missions.

[ViceCityStalker]

They should just make ALL the mp sh*t available in sp,wow look at that not a sandy vagina in sight.

[Cyper]

 

 

F*ck GTA Online I want content for SP.

 

The only content you'll get for Singleplayer is the leftovers from the online content.

Well, this is why more and more people are starting to dislike R*. SP made GTA what it is today, and they are shafting it in favour of online.

 

There should be some more SP exclusive content IMO. R* need to show their fans that SP isn't being ignored.

 

 

In my opinion, all kinds of ''exclusive content'', should be kept to a minimum: both online and singleplayer should offer as much of the same content as possible.

 

It seems like Rockstar argue that if they have exclusive content for online and focus on online, more people will play online which means cash cards. I don't know if this is true. It seems more plausible that people who already like online will play it, and those who don't wont play it, despite exclusive content. Personally I wont play online just because it has exclusive content: I don't like online, and if I knew that focus would be on online and not singleplayer, I would never have bought the game in the first place.

 

I don't expect much for Singleplayer at all. Rockstar have already stated that there is not going to be any big DLCs such as TboGT. To expect Casinos, nightclubs, new maps, is simply to far fetched. But then even if new content is released it is, at least in my opinion, obvious that how the AI works, the shooting mechanics, the fighting mechanics, the vehicle handling, and the whole 'cardboard'- like city, is designed for online not for Singleplayer.

[lolleroz]

Honestly I still can't believe Rockstar just applied the average mobile-game-milking scheme into Online yet everyone fails to realize it...

-have to level up to unlock basic stuff? check

-have to grind missions to level up? check

-have the ability to just buy sh*tload of in-game money with real life money? check

-have the slow progress of game (levelling up is tedious as f*ck) along with low money rewards try and force you to buy the cash cards, giving obvious advantage over others who actually waste their time on the game, check

-have no way to just enjoy the game with friends freeroaming with miniguns without being forced to do tedious missions? check

 

Don't get me wrong, I still like it, I actually enjoy the system somewhat because I'm a roleplayer type of guy, but to me it's just a huge joke there's not a basic freemode where you just roam with friends, weps are free, levels dont mean sh*t, vehicles are free etc whatever...it's just a joke...

[ShinobiFixer]

I play online solo so it's a SP experience for me where my immersion isn't ruined by other people.

[Detective Phelps]

 

 

 

F*ck GTA Online I want content for SP.

 

The only content you'll get for Singleplayer is the leftovers from the online content.

Well, this is why more and more people are starting to dislike R*. SP made GTA what it is today, and they are shafting it in favour of online.

 

There should be some more SP exclusive content IMO. R* need to show their fans that SP isn't being ignored.

 

 

In my opinion, all kinds of ''exclusive content'', should be kept to a minimum: both online and singleplayer should offer as much of the same content as possible.

 

It seems like Rockstar argue that if they have exclusive content for online and focus on online, more people will play online which means cash cards. I don't know if this is true. It seems more plausible that people who already like online will play it, and those who don't wont play it, despite exclusive content. Personally I wont play online just because it has exclusive content: I don't like online, and if I knew that focus would be on online and not singleplayer, I would never have bought the game in the first place.

 

I don't expect much for Singleplayer at all. Rockstar have already stated that there is not going to be any big DLCs such as TboGT. To expect Casinos, nightclubs, new maps, is simply to far fetched. But then even if new content is released it is, at least in my opinion, obvious that how the AI works, the shooting mechanics, the fighting mechanics, the vehicle handling, and the whole 'cardboard'- like city, is designed for online not for Singleplayer.

 

Well, if Online has exclusive content, why shouldn't SP have some exclusive content too? It's only fair.

[Geralt of Rivia]

 

 

 

 

F*ck GTA Online I want content for SP.

 

The only content you'll get for Singleplayer is the leftovers from the online content.

Well, this is why more and more people are starting to dislike R*. SP made GTA what it is today, and they are shafting it in favour of online.

 

There should be some more SP exclusive content IMO. R* need to show their fans that SP isn't being ignored.

 

 

In my opinion, all kinds of ''exclusive content'', should be kept to a minimum: both online and singleplayer should offer as much of the same content as possible.

 

It seems like Rockstar argue that if they have exclusive content for online and focus on online, more people will play online which means cash cards. I don't know if this is true. It seems more plausible that people who already like online will play it, and those who don't wont play it, despite exclusive content. Personally I wont play online just because it has exclusive content: I don't like online, and if I knew that focus would be on online and not singleplayer, I would never have bought the game in the first place.

 

I don't expect much for Singleplayer at all. Rockstar have already stated that there is not going to be any big DLCs such as TboGT. To expect Casinos, nightclubs, new maps, is simply to far fetched. But then even if new content is released it is, at least in my opinion, obvious that how the AI works, the shooting mechanics, the fighting mechanics, the vehicle handling, and the whole 'cardboard'- like city, is designed for online not for Singleplayer.

 

Well, if Online has exclusive content, why shouldn't SP have some exclusive content too? It's only fair.

 

SP is getting exclusive content.

[Detective Phelps]

 

 

 

 

 

F*ck GTA Online I want content for SP.

 

The only content you'll get for Singleplayer is the leftovers from the online content.

Well, this is why more and more people are starting to dislike R*. SP made GTA what it is today, and they are shafting it in favour of online.

 

There should be some more SP exclusive content IMO. R* need to show their fans that SP isn't being ignored.

 

 

In my opinion, all kinds of ''exclusive content'', should be kept to a minimum: both online and singleplayer should offer as much of the same content as possible.

 

It seems like Rockstar argue that if they have exclusive content for online and focus on online, more people will play online which means cash cards. I don't know if this is true. It seems more plausible that people who already like online will play it, and those who don't wont play it, despite exclusive content. Personally I wont play online just because it has exclusive content: I don't like online, and if I knew that focus would be on online and not singleplayer, I would never have bought the game in the first place.

 

I don't expect much for Singleplayer at all. Rockstar have already stated that there is not going to be any big DLCs such as TboGT. To expect Casinos, nightclubs, new maps, is simply to far fetched. But then even if new content is released it is, at least in my opinion, obvious that how the AI works, the shooting mechanics, the fighting mechanics, the vehicle handling, and the whole 'cardboard'- like city, is designed for online not for Singleplayer.

 

Well, if Online has exclusive content, why shouldn't SP have some exclusive content too? It's only fair.

 

SP is getting exclusive content.

 

What? Assassinations? Flight school? Hahahahaha

 

Insurance, purchasing property and trackers are better than flight school missions.

 

The content R* is giving for SP is not enough, and there are only a few SP fixes in the patches. MP gets the most fixes, even though there are a lot of issues on SP.

[Geralt of Rivia]

You said SP should get exclusive content. They are. You not liking it doesn't change that fact.

 

On top of that, we still have the 'substantial' SP DLC we don't know much about yet.

[Detective Phelps]

You said SP should get exclusive content. They are.

I want SP content that is actually good, not crap (flight missions).

 

R* are just ignoring SP. This is a real shame, as SP has made GTA what it is today.

The "substantial" content might be good, but we'll see.

Online gets 95% of the fixes in patches, and SP barely get any fixes. SP is getting ignored, and MP gets most of the attention.

[Geralt of Rivia]

SP is getting ignored, which is the reason it's getting DLC?

 

The only DLC SP hasn't gotten a part of is the content creator, which is obvious, and the Christmas Special.

 

Also, ever since Online has gotten fixed (Don't you remember when it was literally broken, while SP was fine?), SP has been getting fixes too.

 

Look up Opportunity Cost. Then you'll understand what went on inside R* North between the time Online was a broken, hacker-riddled mess and Online was fixed.

[Coral_City]

Online is lame. single player all day, single player all night.

DUDE, your gif, where is it from!?

[Detective Phelps]

SP is getting ignored, which is the reason it's getting DLC?

It's getting simple, quick to make (by R* standards) DLC, so much for SP getting "attention".

 

 

Also, ever since Online has gotten fixed (Don't you remember when it was literally broken, while SP was fine?), SP has been getting fixes too.

What fixes? SP has actually become buggier since the patches, and SP still has severe glitches that R* haven't fixed yet.

 

 

Look up Opportunity Cost. Then you'll understand what went on inside R* North between the time Online was a broken, hacker-riddled mess and Online was fixed.

Well, looks like R* really does focus everything on online, right.

SP still has some bugs from September, but if there's a bug on MP, it's fixed right away.

 

 

 

 

The only DLC SP hasn't gotten a part of is the content creator, which is obvious, and the Christmas Special.

What about purchasable homes, insurance, trackers, and the option to call Lester to remove your wanted level? Yep, that's only on MP.

[redx165]

SP is getting ignored, which is the reason it's getting DLC?

 

The only DLC SP hasn't gotten a part of is the content creator, which is obvious, and the Christmas Special.

 

Also, ever since Online has gotten fixed (Don't you remember when it was literally broken, while SP was fine?), SP has been getting fixes too.

 

Look up Opportunity Cost. Then you'll understand what went on inside R* North between the time Online was a broken, hacker-riddled mess and Online was fixed.

Let me tell you something.

 

What is RDR Undead Nightmare? It's a Single Player DLC. Sure it had some MP stuff but its MAIN focus was Single Player

What is the beach bum update? It's a Multiplayer DLC. Sure it had some SP stuff but its MAIN focus was Multiplayer

What is the business update? It's a Multiplayer DLC. Sure it had some SP stuff but its MAIN focus was Multiplayer

 

Fixed an error with the last two ones.

Edited March 8, 2014 by redx165

[Officer Ronson]

Ignore this one please.

Edited March 8, 2014 by Officer Ronson

[Detective Phelps]

Its funny how people have never realised this was ment to be an online racing game before it was even called Grand Theft Auto, R* has also been always trying to atleast add a basic Multiplayer to their GTA games.

But SP has made GTA what it is today. I'm fine with it having MP, but I don't like the fact that R* are focusing on the online. SP deserves attention too!

 

Both modes should have a decent amount of attention, with SP getting just a bit more attention than MP.

[redx165]

 

Its funny how people have never realised this was ment to be an online racing game before it was even called Grand Theft Auto, R* has also been always trying to atleast add a basic Multiplayer to their GTA games.

But SP has made GTA what it is today. I'm fine with it having MP, but I don't like the fact that R* are focusing on the online. SP deserves attention too!

 

Both modes should have a decent amount of attention, with SP getting just a bit more attention than MP.

 

This

[Officer Ronson]

One thing people has never realised, is that from the start GTA was ment to be an online racing game and it wasnt even called GTA. It had all the core mechanics but a screw up with the Law Enforcement AI gave the team an idea and thus GTA was born.

 

Throught most of their 3D games they always tried to implement an MP mode until they were able to make a pretty basic one in GTA IV, so with V they tried to implement it further trying to reach their goal of a good Multiplayer game. Hey it has its some horrible downs but its still a pretty good mode you can spend your time with Friends.

 

Most of the exclusive content for MP only works in there, you're limited to only buying one property no matter if its an apartment or a garage. Insurance is there so high end vehicles you've wasted a million on wont go missing forever, in singleplayer if you lost your vehicle you can just simply reload or buy another one as you're filled to hell with money, plus when you go to a garage you get most of the DLC vehs for free.

 

R* focused on both parts, and people yet dont seem to understand that there is a SP team and a MP team that each work on the different modes.

[Geralt of Rivia]

 

SP is getting ignored, which is the reason it's getting DLC?

It's getting simple, quick to make (by R* standards) DLC, so much for SP getting "attention".

 

Do you just seem to forget about at least 2 things of DLC that are SP only? Like I said before, just because you (Emphasis on you) don't like them, doesn't make them lesser.

 

Also, ever since Online has gotten fixed (Don't you remember when it was literally broken, while SP was fine?), SP has been getting fixes too.

What fixes? SP has actually become buggier since the patches, and SP still has severe glitches that R* haven't fixed yet.

 

I know SP has gotten buggier since R* spent like 7 patches trying to fix Online. That's where the Opportunity Cost comes from.

 

Like I said, since then, they've had at least one fix which is more than they've had at all during that timespan:

 

• Fixed an issue in Story Mode where all shops could remain closed in addition to all Store blips going missing.

Look up Opportunity Cost. Then you'll understand what went on inside R* North between the time Online was a broken, hacker-riddled mess and Online was fixed.

Well, looks like R* really does focus everything on online, right.

SP still has some bugs from September, but if there's a bug on MP, it's fixed right away.

 

I don't think you looked up Opportunity Cost, or you read it wrong. Either way, that's not what it means. At all.

 

What bugs are still from September?

 

 

The only DLC SP hasn't gotten a part of is the content creator, which is obvious, and the Christmas Special.

What about purchasable homes, insurance, trackers, and the option to call Lester to remove your wanted level? Yep, that's only on MP.

 

Didn't know that was DLC. What about all the stuff that SP has that MP doesn't? No one ever takes that into account.

 

 

 

SP is getting ignored, which is the reason it's getting DLC?

 

The only DLC SP hasn't gotten a part of is the content creator, which is obvious, and the Christmas Special.

 

Also, ever since Online has gotten fixed (Don't you remember when it was literally broken, while SP was fine?), SP has been getting fixes too.

 

Look up Opportunity Cost. Then you'll understand what went on inside R* North between the time Online was a broken, hacker-riddled mess and Online was fixed.

Let me tell you something.

 

What is RDR Undead Nightmare? It's a Single Player DLC. Sure it had some MP stuff but its MAIN focus was Single Player

What is the beach bum update? It's a Multiplayer DLC. Sure it had some SP stuff but its MAIN focus was Single Player

What is the business update? It's a Multiplayer DLC. Sure it had some SP stuff but its MAIN focus was Single Player

 

I think you messed up a bit lol. Either that or I'm missing what you're trying to say.

 

Oh, and GTA: Online was an idea from GTA III I think, so yeah. That.

 

EDIT: Found it

 

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/423020/gta-v-interview-rockstar-north-president-leslie-The Benz-on-gta-online/

 

When did you first start to think about GTA Online, and what was your vision for it?

 

"This started when we began making GTA III, and every single game we've said, "Right, now we're going to do it, now we're going to do it," and I guess we've never felt like we've had the manpower or the tech power to do it. Now the time is right. We had a great engine to work from, and we had the staff to do it."

Edited March 8, 2014 by TheMasterfocker

[Detective Phelps]

R* focused on both parts, and people yet dont seem to understand that there is a SP team and a MP team that each work on the different modes.

I know this, but SP should be getting more fixes in patches.

 

R* should also list the SP fixes on the newswire, instead of us having to look it up in support.

 

 

 

SP is getting ignored, which is the reason it's getting DLC?

It's getting simple, quick to make (by R* standards) DLC, so much for SP getting "attention".

 

Do you just seem to forget about at least 2 things of DLC that are SP only? Like I said before, just because you (Emphasis on you) don't like them, doesn't make them lesser.

 

Wait, so you like this crap?

The DLC for SP ( that we know of) is nothing special, and it is easy to make.

Also, ever since Online has gotten fixed (Don't you remember when it was literally broken, while SP was fine?), SP has been getting fixes too.

What fixes? SP has actually become buggier since the patches, and SP still has severe glitches that R* haven't fixed yet.

 

I know SP has gotten buggier since R* spent like 7 patches trying to fix Online. That's where the Opportunity Cost comes from.

 

Like I said, since then, they've had at least one fix which is more than they've had at all during that timespan:

 

• Fixed an issue in Story Mode where all shops could remain closed in addition to all Store blips going missing.

That it? Only one fix?

Look up Opportunity Cost. Then you'll understand what went on inside R* North between the time Online was a broken, hacker-riddled mess and Online was fixed.

Well, looks like R* really does focus everything on online, right.

SP still has some bugs from September, but if there's a bug on MP, it's fixed right away.

 

I don't think you looked up Opportunity Cost, or you read it wrong. Either way, that's not what it means. At all.

I understand that they needed to fix that, but dumping SP in the ocean was not a good move IMO. But they did have to do that, otherwise online would be dead!

That focus on online is still here, even though online is fixed.

 

What bugs are still from September?

The internet bug, and the garage bug also happened to me recently. Disappearing cars, Randomly falling from the map, and a lot more glitches that I've experienced since the release.

 

 

The only DLC SP hasn't gotten a part of is the content creator, which is obvious, and the Christmas Special.

What about purchasable homes, insurance, trackers, and the option to call Lester to remove your wanted level? Yep, that's only on MP.

 

Didn't know that was DLC.

I'm talking about content that is MP exclusive, not just DLC.

What about all the stuff that SP has that MP doesn't? No one ever takes that into account.

As for SP getting exclusive content, I'm happy with that. SP deserves exclusive content.

SP deserves more focus than online.

 

 

 

SP is getting ignored, which is the reason it's getting DLC?

 

The only DLC SP hasn't gotten a part of is the content creator, which is obvious, and the Christmas Special.

 

Also, ever since Online has gotten fixed (Don't you remember when it was literally broken, while SP was fine?), SP has been getting fixes too.

 

Look up Opportunity Cost. Then you'll understand what went on inside R* North between the time Online was a broken, hacker-riddled mess and Online was fixed.

Let me tell you something.

 

What is RDR Undead Nightmare? It's a Single Player DLC. Sure it had some MP stuff but its MAIN focus was Single Player

What is the beach bum update? It's a Multiplayer DLC. Sure it had some SP stuff but its MAIN focus was Single Player

What is the business update? It's a Multiplayer DLC. Sure it had some SP stuff but its MAIN focus was Single Player

 

I think you messed up a bit lol. Either that or I'm missing what you're trying to say.

 

Oh, and GTA: Online was an idea from GTA III I think, so yeah. That.

 

He is saying that while GTA:O has content that SP has as well, it is marketed to ONLINE, not SP. The target for the DLC is ONLINE.

Edited March 8, 2014 by Los Santos Police Department

[woggleman]

The DLC for IV sold very poorly and that is why R is not making something similiar for V

[lol232]

It's bullsh*t how they only add about 20% of the stuff to SP that they give to GTAO. That online is just a waste of time and doesn't work for me. Single player is just R*s red headed step child because they only care about the online and cash cards.

Only 20%?

It's actually 2/3rd's, the 1/3 are clothing, that's it.

 

And Jesus, it's still free, stop f*cking complaining, I would understand if that was paid...

I gotta say those vehicles are actually pretty awesome, they're highly modifiable.

Also, there are 2 teams working on this, stop blaming the Online team for being more active.

And keep in mind that we can still easily get the Roosevelt and the Gusenberg sweeper. They were removed from GTA O.

We will most likely see cool SP content soon, just f*cking wait.

If you want Rockstar to stop making free DLC's, let it be, let's f*cking pay for that now! Hooray!

[Detective Phelps]

The DLC for IV sold very poorly and that is why R is not making something similiar for V

It only sold poorly because of the exclusivity to X360.

 

When it came out for the PS3, a year later, it had the same price that the 360 users paid a year ago, so it sold poorly on PS3 (anyway, we had other content to feast on, but I still got it, since I like GTA SP )

 

If R* make EFLC style DLC now, it will sell well, since there will probably be no console exclusivity BS now.

[Geralt of Rivia]

 

The DLC for IV sold very poorly and that is why R is not making something similiar for V

It only sold poorly because of the exclusivity to X360.

 

When it came out for the PS3, a year later, it had the same price that the 360 users paid a year ago, so it sold poorly on PS3 (anyway, we had other content to feast on, but I still got it, since I like GTA SP )

 

If R* make EFLC style DLC now, it will sell well, since there will probably be no console exclusivity BS now.

 

It sold poorly overall. There's nothing to show it was because of exclusivity.

 

It sold terrible when it was on 360 only. Then it sold terrible when it was released for everything else.

 

The reason it sold bad was because of people not finishing the story (I think the statistic was that less than 20% of people actually finished the story!), and so people didn't want more missions to not do.

 

Also, the DLC came out almost 2 years after the base game. That's way too long for a DLC.

[woggleman]

It sold poorly because people were in full backlash against IV mode. Now that people are in full backlash against V mode what makes anybody think this dlc would sell any better. I loved EFLC but I understand from a business stand point why they don't want to do it again. People should have appreciated IV more when it was still pretty new.

[Sneum]

Some of the stuff being said in this thread here is true. But why even compare MP and SP? It's supposed to be two different games, or atleast I think so

But I really don't get why some people are so into SP after they've played it through, and then again for the gold-medals. Sure, as amazing it is killing as Trevor or driving as Franklin, MP just have so much more to offer me entertainment-wise - There is ALOT of missions, deathmatches etc. on the socialclub, and going for the platinum awards is tedious but fun if you ask me

Edited March 8, 2014 by Sneum

[Detective Phelps]

 

Also, the DLC came out almost 2 years after the base game. That's way too long for a DLC.

 

Indeed. People moved on. Same for PS3 players who were tired to wait for an extra year.

 

 

 

 

It sold terrible when it was on 360 only.

Well if it wasn't exclusive, it might have sold more, right?

 

The reason it sold bad was because of people not finishing the story (I think the statistic was that less than 20% of people actually finished the story!), and so people didn't want more missions to not do.

Those people probably moved on to other games. As you pointed out, only a small fraction of players finish the story. But this is because there are other games out there people want to play.

[tomuk3]

I think the big problem was the huge bugs on release. Being a web developer I understand how hard it is to find and solve even the simplest things, missing one line or even one character of code can f*ck everything up. So put this on a giant scale and you begin to understand why R* have been so slow, they will be working full time but even the professionals would of had big problems.

 

It may be that R* could not continue adding major content until it was fixed, idk i hate getting into game design it's confusing as f*ck for me. However I agree on the SP content, I've hit level 120 all that is left is to buy a tank and I don't even want one. When I go on to SP I get bored in no time and switch back over, it seems like SP has been forgotten even when it is amazing in comparison to a lot of games out there.

[Geralt of Rivia]

Exactly. The DLC sold bad because the circumstances surrounding it were just awful.

 

- Too long after base game

 

- The vast majority of people never even finished the game

 

- I also think it wasn't marketed that well, but I'm not sure.

 

It wasn't because of exclusivity. Just really bad circumstances.

 

tomuk3: Searching hours for why bugs are happening in the littlest of programs was the worst. It's the main reason why I decided not to pursue that career path.

Edited March 8, 2014 by TheMasterfocker

[tomuk3]

tomuk3: Searching hours for why bugs are happening in the littlest of programs was the worst. It's the main reason why I decided not to pursue that career path.

 

Yeah a lot of people don't understand how annoying it is unless they have tried themselves, anyway it is still early days and GTA V has a massive lifespan ahead of it, but like you said - if they leave it too late like with GTA IV it will sell bad, new games will take over especially with the release of the next gen (which seems to be failing right now lol)