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...car test.

 

I just beat his Entity time in the Adder.

 

He got 54.869 solo around Cutting Coroners in a fully modded Entity, and I just ran a 54.612 solo in my Adder (his record was 55.435).

One single person cannot push EVERY car to its limit. No matter how good of a racer they are, which Broughy clearly is, I'm not taking that away from him.

 

I do have a picture but it obviously has my gamertag in it (race title is above it so I had to show it), but I don't really want to make that public. I may update this post with it soon and just black it out.

 

EDIT: Just as a note, "validity" probably wasn't the best term to use. Obviously his tests are valid, but certain cars actually perform better for different people and when driven differently.

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Wow, 0.249 miliseconds! :catspider:

Very big difference indeed.

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anything with corners wont be accurate. just use the straightline race, no turbo start, etc.

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Wow, 0.249 miliseconds! :catspider:

Very big difference indeed.

Actually its 249 milliseconds.

Also apparently the 566 milliseconds between HIS times was significant, so yes, it is a big difference.

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Wow, 0.249 miliseconds! :catspider:

Very big difference indeed.

Actually its 249 milliseconds.

Also apparently the 566 milliseconds between HIS times was significant, so yes, it is a big difference.

 

 

Sorry, *0.249 seconds.

And I mean its not a big difference in freeroam or races, since 99% of the LS population drives cars like monkeys.

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Now take out the Elegy and you should be able to beat your Adder time. You just proved your a better racer than Broughy

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Wow, 0.249 miliseconds! :catspider:

Very big difference indeed.

Actually its 249 milliseconds.

Also apparently the 566 milliseconds between HIS times was significant, so yes, it is a big difference.

 

 

Sorry, *0.249 seconds.

And I mean its not a big difference in freeroam or races, since 99% of the LS population drives cars like monkeys.

 

Ha, that's true.

Just saying though, people seem to think that the times he achieves are the absolute best that particular car can do, but that's not the case at all.

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Isn't he purposefully taking the same line with all of the vehicles? I'm sure you can cut some of the corners to beat his times, but that's not really the point.

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People who hide Gamertags are sketchy... also you shoulda posted this in the racing thread.

Yeah that's why I haven't done it yet lol, I just know I'll get some bullsh*t thrown at me if I black it out, I might just watermark it with my forum username.

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Ha, that's true.

Just saying though, people seem to think that the times he achieves are the absolute best that particular car can do, but that's not the case at all.

Its a test of the CARS DB! Not Broughy.

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You do have a point, but freak times do happen from time to time.

 

The main problem, is that as in depth as he went with his repeated laps to get a good overall impression of the cars' performances, it just wasn't enough,

 

Unfortunately it also reflected an inherent bias, in that the vehicles his drives most in his own time are more likely to record a good time as a result of his familiarity with those cars.

 

In general terms, his lists are still a decent overall guide, but for a list to be more comprehensive it would require more testing by other skilled drivers to have their race times added to the data, and even if that list was eventually made, it would only represent which cars get the best times on average, and some players will always find that they prefer driving another car that may not be statistically optimal, as statistics only represent the average person, and not every person.

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Ha, that's true.

Just saying though, people seem to think that the times he achieves are the absolute best that particular car can do, but that's not the case at all.

Its a test of the CARS DB! Not Broughy.

 

... I know... that's pretty much what I just said...

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You do have a point, but freak times do happen from time to time.

 

The main problem, is that as in depth as he went with his repeated laps to get a good overall impression of the cars' performances, it just wasn't enough,

 

Unfortunately it also reflected an inherent bias, in that the vehicles his drives most in his own time are more likely to record a good time as a result of his familiarity with those cars.

 

In general terms, his lists are still a decent overall guide, but for a list to be more comprehensive it would require more testing by other skilled drivers to have their race times added to the data, and even if that list was eventually made, it would only represent which cars get the best times on average, and some players will always find that they prefer driving another car that may not be statistically optimal, as statistics only represent the average person, and not every person.

Agree, but it is 1000x more objective than most posters here who pull "my 9f once beat a RH8" out of their arse!

 

 

 

Ha, that's true.

Just saying though, people seem to think that the times he achieves are the absolute best that particular car can do, but that's not the case at all.

Its a test of the CARS DB! Not Broughy.

 

... I know... that's pretty much what I just said...

 

It's exactly the opposite of what you said :panic:

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Ha, that's true.

Just saying though, people seem to think that the times he achieves are the absolute best that particular car can do, but that's not the case at all.

Its a test of the CARS DB! Not Broughy.

 

... I know... that's pretty much what I just said...

 

It's exactly the opposite of what you said :panic:

 

No its not :/

I know its a test of the cars, but its HIS test of the cars. His times are his times.

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One other variable is latency/lag which could certainly play a role when it comes down to miliseconds, epecially in one person's solo trial compared to someone elses.

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You probably beat his time by using a different racing line, he uses the same racing line for every car, even if it is not 100% optimal for those cars (and bikes which could cut corners more).

 

Now Try beating the time you set in the Adder in the Entity and I'm sure you will go faster in the entity

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You probably beat his time by using a different racing line, he uses the same racing line for every car, even if it is not 100% optimal for those cars (and bikes which could cut corners more).

 

Now Try beating the time you set in the Adder in the Entity and I'm sure you will go faster in the entity

I don't actually own an Entity (or Elegy) at the moment, but if I get rid of the Turismo I'll pick one up and give it a go.

Also don't you think that's another flaw in his test? Not every car will kick out it's best performance on the exact same line as every other car in the game, so taking a lap time in that manner as a definitive result isn't very fair.

 

He's saying "If you want to get around a track the fastest, get an Entity." But that is simply not true. Not for everyone at least.

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People who hide Gamertags are sketchy... also you shoulda posted this in the racing thread.

Could I have a link to the racing thread please?

I'm going to try and see if I can beat my time. If I do, I'll post in there.

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Agree, but it is 1000x more objective than most posters here who pull "my 9f once beat a RH8" out of their arse!

Yep an outstanding contribution, now he must leave as that's not allowed around here
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You probably beat his time by using a different racing line, he uses the same racing line for every car, even if it is not 100% optimal for those cars (and bikes which could cut corners more).

 

Now Try beating the time you set in the Adder in the Entity and I'm sure you will go faster in the entity

I don't actually own an Entity (or Elegy) at the moment, but if I get rid of the Turismo I'll pick one up and give it a go.

Also don't you think that's another flaw in his test? Not every car will kick out it's best performance on the exact same line as every other car in the game, so taking a lap time in that manner as a definitive result isn't very fair.

 

He's saying "If you want to get around a track the fastest, get an Entity." But that is simply not true. Not for everyone at least.

 

It depends. If you REALLY want to challenge his time, or compare the two cars, you MUST have the same standard - in this case, the track boundaries, or race line.

 

If you really want to be thorough, you would apply Formula 1 rules - use only the tarmac / track boundaries and keep at all times at least 2 wheels inside it. You can save seconds, just by going the shorter line geographically, but I think that simply defeats the purpose of the test in general and racing in particular.

 

As for the red text, you are mistaken - the racing line, or the ideal line, is the shortest possible distance between point A and point B. You WANT to use the shortest distance; you also WANT to use apex turning, because that maximizes acceleration. Then it all comes down to actual car performance, but the line never changes. [EDIT] In theory, you can use slower speed entering a corner, for a better and faster acceleration for a long straight line, or a late brake for an overtake, then block the next corner entry, but you WILL lose time against the best ideal time (which is achieved by using the racing line at all costs).

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anything with corners wont be accurate. just use the straightline race, no turbo start, etc.

Then the handling and acceleration factors are taken away and it just shows speed. No race in GTA online is just a straight line. I could blow an adder out of the water in my Turismo.

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People who hide Gamertags are sketchy... also you shoulda posted this in the racing thread.

Could I have a link to the racing thread please?

I'm going to try and see if I can beat my time. If I do, I'll post in there.

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/690375-the-official-im-better-than-you-race-challenge-thread/

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You probably beat his time by using a different racing line, he uses the same racing line for every car, even if it is not 100% optimal for those cars (and bikes which could cut corners more).

 

Now Try beating the time you set in the Adder in the Entity and I'm sure you will go faster in the entity

this exactly.... im surprised he thinks that because he got a better time he thinks hes disproving broughy. no. youre just on another level. use an entity on the same lines and compare, youll probably beat your addrer time

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...car test.

 

I just beat his Entity time in the Adder.

 

He got 54.869 solo around Cutting Coroners in a fully modded Entity, .

I thought Broughy did his comparisons with unmodified cars.

 

^^^Beat me to it.

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Isn't Broughys 54 time in a stock Entity?

 

 

 

...car test.

 

I just beat his Entity time in the Adder.

 

He got 54.869 solo around Cutting Coroners in a fully modded Entity, .

I thought Broughy did his comparisons with unmodified cars.

 

 

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BigBrother67

The f*ck is broughy :S

A Guy on youtube who pissed off a lot Adder and Akuma Fans. LOL.

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You probably beat his time by using a different racing line, he uses the same racing line for every car, even if it is not 100% optimal for those cars (and bikes which could cut corners more).

 

Now Try beating the time you set in the Adder in the Entity and I'm sure you will go faster in the entity

I don't actually own an Entity (or Elegy) at the moment, but if I get rid of the Turismo I'll pick one up and give it a go.

Also don't you think that's another flaw in his test? Not every car will kick out it's best performance on the exact same line as every other car in the game, so taking a lap time in that manner as a definitive result isn't very fair.

 

He's saying "If you want to get around a track the fastest, get an Entity." But that is simply not true. Not for everyone at least.

 

It depends. If you REALLY want to challenge his time, or compare the two cars, you MUST have the same standard - in this case, the track boundaries, or race line.

 

If you really want to be thorough, you would apply Formula 1 rules - use only the tarmac / track boundaries and keep at all times at least 2 wheels inside it. You can save seconds, just by going the shorter line geographically, but I think that simply defeats the purpose of the test in general and racing in particular.

 

As for the red text, you are mistaken - the racing line, or the ideal line, is the shortest possible distance between point A and point B. You WANT to use the shortest distance; you also WANT to use apex turning, because that maximizes acceleration. Then it all comes down to actual car performance, but the line never changes. [EDIT] In theory, you can use slower speed entering a corner, for a better and faster acceleration for a long straight line, or a late brake for an overtake, then block the next corner entry, but you WILL lose time against the best ideal time (which is achieved by using the racing line at all costs).

 

What you're saying makes complete sense to me, I understand and agree.

However the ideal line for the Adder is much different. It lacks acceleration so you need to maintain as much speed through the corner as possible. No harsh braking or turning.

If I had the footage you'd see that I go VERY wide on the entrance, deep inside and very wide on the exit, sometimes I drift off of the track yes, but not by much, I mean I still get the checkpoints which are all literally ON the corner. If you cut the corner too much you either miss the checkpoint or spin out.

I actually end up crossing the finish line on the other side of the road, that's how wide I go.

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