GTAV feels less open-world than GTAIV and RDR

[Cebra]

 

 

@PhilosophicalZebra

Yeah but you can ride a boat in III and VC.

@Dutch Gangsta

GTA did Sci-fi with GTA2 (1999) electro-guns etc and it Predates the whole Saints Row Franchise not just Saints Row 4.

Yeah, and they took place in 1986 and 2001. In 1911, boats were rare and they would have been pointless anyway. All there was to explore was on land.

Lol but AC4 set in 1800s had boats and ships (note i am using AC cus it also set in historical times like RDR).Indeed, but it was a game based around piracy. All of John's objectives were in New Austin and Mexico, so it wouldn't have made sense for him to be sailing about in a huge pirate ship for no reason.

 

Also, Black Flag took place from 1715 to 1721. I imagine that pirate ships weren't seen very often near Mexico in 1911 anyway.

[BLOOD]

@daliakiller

This is a thread bashing on GTA 5,and how a non-GTA game is better than it,just because i am a GTA fan makes me think every games labelled "GTA Clone" is an exact copy of GTA,and all my comments in this thread,not once have i mentioned "GTA Clone" and i have been on topic to this [email protected] Thread,i was even comparing AC with RDR because but arent set in Modern times,but seeing you misunderstood my posts, i will say YES GTA invent the Genre since 1997.Yes Wolfenstein was the first FPS but in 2014,CoD will whoop it *ss in gameplay,success etc same goes with the first OWG and it wont stand a chance against GTA,I can bet my money Watchdogs would be compare with GTA 5 and also called a GTA-esque game by critics and reviews when it is released.I dont care what the first OWG was but GTA dominates the Genre in everyways.Hey look at Titanfall everyone is say it "CoD with mechs" same with RDR "GTA with Cowboys" in case you dont know type in "Video Game Clones"...anyway this thread is pointless using a "GTA Cowboy" to bash a masterpiece like V,infact RDR should be mentioned here it not part of the "GTA Family"

 

@PhilosophicalZebra

 

So you are tell me that because AC4 is a pirate game,it fits with boats.and then saying boats didnt exit during the 18-20th century? that b*llsh*t.AC2 wasnt about Pirates and you can still ride about.Now tell me RDR was in the 20th Century so it a shame not able to ride a boat or SWIM for that matter.AC games are SO Linear and Restrictive but RDR also takes the cake.

Edited March 6, 2014 by Blood-Is-in-Diamond

[Niobium]

Actually, in V, everything does feel like it isn't random. At Trevor's hangar, I see that same pedestrian with her dog. Every, f*cking, time.

 

@Blood ugggh. Blood, when I read your posts, I feel like I am getting dumber.

Edited March 6, 2014 by nobum62

[daliakiller]

So you are saying that open world gameplay titles like every The Elder Scrolls title are GTA CLONES? I am a fan of TES series, and in my opinion, so it is right to say that GTA is an TES clone? Look at the date the first elder scrolls games was released dickhead. No one takes you serious anymore, i dont know why the f*ck am i doing still debating with you... thank god i can block you and never had to see you ridiculous f*ckstar and gta games dickriding. My last message for you: go f*ck yourself

[The Odyssey]

You know, I promised myself not to post in the V/GTA:O section anymore because it's filled with spoiled brats who can't think for themselves, and those who do rely on heavily biased opinions, but I couldn't resist.

 

First off the reason why police spawning certain areas is to increase the realism. That's not hard to figure out. I mean, you wouldn't see a police car speeding through a happy-go-lucky family orientated neighborhood, would you?

 

Secondly, those certain peds do indeed spawn in different areas. Clearly you've hardly played the game much.

 

As I mentioned above, certain cars spawn in certain areas to increase the realism of the city. You wouldn't see a dump truck cruising through Vinewood hills.

 

Number 6 is wrong. That's a fact. I don't think you've played the game much either if you can't hear the sound of truck horns and cars beeping in the background of the city, as you mentioned in number 7.

 

IMO, This whole "GTA V is a movie set" is all a big circlejerk that consists of people who feel like they are more knowledgeable than others because they prefer a more serious game like IV, but do nothing to contribute to the discussion and just like posts and say meaningless one liners.

[~Tiger~]

[Tali vas Normandy]

I like the open world map in GTA V a lot so co complaints from me.

RDR is still my favorite map imo though.

[Fuzzknuckles]

See inline responses.

 

1. Random events only occur in specific spots.
This was also true of RDR - mainly outside saloons, or on major paths.

2. Patrolling police only appears in a limited number of areas.
Just imagine how much more crying there would have been if they'd be handled like in IV. Them fierce cops would be unstoppable.

3. Hikers, fishermen, planes, park rangers, bicycles, motorbikes, etc. always appear in the exact same spots.
The places they're likely to appear, yes.

4. Many vehicles do not spawn randomly. Some cars always spawn in the exact same spots while others do not spawn at all, at least not dynamically. The latter are dependent upon appearance in missions or garage storage. Finally, a reboot of the game might put these "rare" cars into the initial rotation but the limited scope of dynamic spawning will eventually phase them out of the session.
Same as GTA IV, in my experience.

5. Peds always have the same one-liners. How often haven't you heard these? "Heay wassup", "your car is the sh*t, so hot", "hey girl", etc.?
Same as GTA IV and RDR in my experience. Plus, there's more peds.

6. Weather changeability is imbalanced. While cloud formations do change consistently and occasional rain showers do occur, real thunderstorms with multiple lightning strokes can only be triggered off-mission when leaving hospitals after being "wasted".
Are you sure about that?

7. There is hardly any difference in audible ambience between downtown LS and the countryside.
Different city, different sounds. Who would have thunk it?

8. Interactivity with the game world off-mission is hardly expanded upon. We can rob stores and carry fuel cans but what happened to leaving cars with their engines on and doors open?
Still crying about this? Some people just can't move on.

[BLOOD]

Actually, in V, everything does feel like it isn't random. At Trevor's hangar, I see that same pedestrian with her dog. Every, f*cking, time.

 

@Blood ugggh. Blood, when I read your posts, I feel like I am getting dumber.

They ignore it then next time

[Xerukal]

Actually, in V, everything does feel like it isn't random. At Trevor's hangar, I see that same pedestrian with her dog. Every, f*cking, time.

Maybe she lives near there? Maybe she likes to walk her dog around the hangar because it's a nice, open space?

[BLOOD]

@Daliakiller

Like i said alot of OWG predates (GTA 1997) and TES (1994) is only 3 years older but it wasnt Openworld or Freeroam it more RPG,now tell me did TES have cops,or killing peds or carjacking or bikes? NO and GTA (1997),GTA London (1999) had those features.That why GTA (1997) or GTA3 (2001) wasnt called a clone of TES or Quarantine instead GTA coined the term "GTA Clone" Popularising and Inventing a Genre based on Shooting and Driving,Flying Places etc.I already say it and i wont say it again,i dont care if TES did OWG first,it certainly did not had an impact on the Genre Like GTA,and without GTA there wouldnt be Saints Row,Crackdown,AC,RDR etc.

 

Lol go watch the new Watchdogs trailer and the way alot of people are saying "oh GTA mix with AC in Chicago" or "GTA with Hacking" same was done with RDR before it was released people saying "GTA Cowboy" or "GTA in the Wildwest".

Edited March 6, 2014 by Blood-Is-in-Diamond

[Capitalist Communist]

@Daliakiller

Like i said alot of OWG predates (GTA 1997) and TES (1994) is only 3 years older but it wasnt Openworld or Freeroam it more RPG,now tell me did TES have cops,or killing peds or carjacking or bikes? NO and GTA (1997),GTA London (1999) had those features.That why GTA (1997) or GTA3 (2001) wasnt called a clone of TES or Quarantine instead GTA coined the term "GTA Clone" Popularising and Inventing a Genre based on Shooting and Driving,Flying Places etc.I already say it and i wont say it again,i dont care if TES did OWG first,it certainly did not had an impact on the Genre Like GTA,and without GTA there wouldnt be Saints Row,Crackdown,AC,RDR etc.

 

Lol go watch the new Watchdogs trailer and the way alot of people are saying "oh GTA mix with AC in Chicago" or "GTA with Hacking" same was done with RDR before it was released people saying "GTA Cowboy" or "GTA in the Wildwest".

Hey you, shaddapa you face.

[daliakiller]

Of course my dear friend Blood, you are one hundred % right. The Elder Scrolls, the first Lego Adventures, and every other game with open world are copies of you master GTA. Are you happy now?

If everyone is saying Watch Dogs is Gta in Chicago, right now i am saying that GTA is modern The Elder Scrolls minus the magic and sh*t. Got any problem with this? Gta is an TES clone.

 

Noone respects you here anymore friend, this is my last response to you. Please, stop making this forums worse for EVERYONE who is forced to read you bullsh*t. Funny how you just know 3 to 4 words:

REVOLUTIONISED

POPULARISED
MASTERPIECE

GTA CLONES

 

what a dickhead we got here... you certainly works for f*ckstar, or grind too hard on their dicks

[BLOOD]

Of course my dear friend Blood, you are one hundred % right. The Elder Scrolls, the first Lego Adventures, and every other game with open world are copies of you master GTA. Are you happy now?

If everyone is saying Watch Dogs is Gta in Chicago, right now i am saying that GTA is modern The Elder Scrolls minus the magic and sh*t. Got any problem with this? Gta is an TES clone.

 

Noone respects you here anymore friend, this is my last response to you. Please, stop making this forums worse for EVERYONE who is forced to read you bullsh*t. Funny how you just know 3 to 4 words:

REVOLUTIONISED

POPULARISED

MASTERPIECE

GTA CLONES

 

what a dickhead we got here... you certainly works for f*ckstar, or grind too hard on their dicks

Tbh i wont even stretch this arguement anymore but i will say RDR suppose to have swimming and boats end of.

 

Edit:Lol "TES CLONE" never head of that hahahaha lol funniest joke i have heard today

Edited March 6, 2014 by Blood-Is-in-Diamond

[Celticfang]

Actually Blood period documents from the Old West and historical research showed cowboys didn't want to learn to swim wearing heavy gear (so that's why Dallas chokes so much in the NFL...Yes I went there!) as their clothing and guns woud simply drag them under the water and they'd drown quicker. So i that regard RDR is accurate about no swimming.

As for boats. Yes they existed but they were by modern standards weak, they were good for the time but the knowledge and technology wouldn't cut it (go look up the boiler explosions aroud the same time eriod n the Mississippi river)

 

Planes? No they were a new idea and flying was (up until the Comet in the 50s) exclusively upper class only. You had to have money and people got dressed u to fly, not like today

Also m inro nitpickk. The RFC, the forerunner of the RAF, was around in 1914 thank you, it became the RAF in around 1918 post-WWI

[DarksunDaFirst]

This impression hit me after a few days of playing back in September but I decided to give the game some months to be updated and settle in my mind. My points follows below.

 

1. Random events only occur in specific spots.

Where are the dynamic encounters from RDR?

 

2. Patrolling police only appears in a limited number of areas.

Police spawned randomly in GTAIV's traffic.

 

3. Hikers, fishermen, planes, park rangers, bicycles, motorbikes, etc. always appear in the exact same spots.

What happened to the variety of dynamic spawning?

 

4. Many vehicles do not spawn randomly. Some cars always spawn in the exact same spots while others do not spawn at all, at least not dynamically. The latter are dependent upon appearance in missions or garage storage. Finally, a reboot of the game might put these "rare" cars into the initial rotation but the limited scope of dynamic spawning will eventually phase them out of the session.

Traffic was inherently random in GTAIV and rare cars were capable of spawning dynamically.

 

5. Peds always have the same one-liners. How often haven't you heard these? "Heay wassup", "your car is the sh*t, so hot", "hey girl", etc.?

Sure, GTAIV and RDR had repetition too but seemingly more variety, thus repetition was less noticeable.

 

6. Weather changeability is imbalanced. While cloud formations do change consistently and occasional rain showers do occur, real thunderstorms with multiple lightning strokes can only be triggered off-mission when leaving hospitals after being "wasted".

Weather changeability was fully dynamic in both GTAIV and RDR.

 

7. There is hardly any difference in audible ambience between downtown LS and the countryside.

Where is that buzzing metropolitan background noise we had in GTAIV?

 

8. Interactivity with the game world off-mission is hardly expanded upon. We can rob stores and carry fuel cans but what happened to leaving cars with their engines on and doors open?

Small fine details from GTAIV that are nowhere to be seen in GTAV, not to mention enterable fast food restaurants.

 

Each one of these points more or less indicate that the game is ridiculously scripted and lackluster in keeping up with the open-world standards set by GTAIV and RDR. Instead, it seems to focus on a big world with impressive graphics and draw distance. From an open world perspective, it's just not very immersive in the long run.

 

Just note: the examples I give are some close extremes for the sake of getting the point across easily.

 

 

1. Random events are location specific because you shouldn't expect to see a redneck brawl in the middle of the city for example.

2. Ever go to LA? Police patrol some areas more than others. There are certain areas where they don't want to go into without a lot of backup going in at the same time to patrol.

3. Why would you expect to see hikers and fishermen in the city or in towns? They are where they are because realistically that's where you would find them.

4. A.) traditional games don't always give out the best gear right away, so you might not see the Cheetahs and Infernus' very often or at all early on. B.) You shouldn't expect to see multiple high-end cars in the damn ghetto because people that live there typically don't buy those cars.

5. There are more lines in this game than previous titles. Repitition though is going to become noticable. Even the most in-depth RPGs will have the repitition. See some of the The Elder Scrolls and Fallout titles. Dynamic conversations and such, but eventually repititive. Only so much dialogue you can pack into a game.

6. I haven't noticed this, I don't pay attention to the weather in real life so in game it has seemed very natural to me. Mainly because I react to weather as needed. So really, I have almost nothing here but it does seem a bit nit-picky.

7. It is there, I hear it all the time. Ever get a game glitch where there are NO cars around you no matter how far you run? And yet I constantly hear honking and sirens in the not-too-far-off distance and I run to them thinking "oh there are cars this way" and then I'm fooled again.

8. GTA IV had far less activities to do and you can leave that car with the dor open, but you have to be in "hurry-up mode". Hit the run button repeatedly as you are hitting exit and you can do this.

 

Just to point out, all their games have been scripted and imo GTA IV was MUCH more noticable than RDR or GTA V. And even more so the scripting in GTA IV was done pretty badly that anything "random" seemed really out of place and really annoying. I think GTA V achieves a better balance. Perfect? No, but definitely better.

[BLOOD]

Hey guys check this article,how IGN is defending Watchdogs cause it was labelled a "GTA Clone" by many people:http://ie.ign.com/articles/2014/03/06/how-watch-dogs-wisely-separates-itself-from-gta-5.

Edited March 6, 2014 by Blood-Is-in-Diamond

[Woll Smoth]

Hey guys check this article,how IGN is defending Watchdogs cause it was labelled a "GTA Clone" by many people:http://ie.ign.com/articles/2014/03/06/how-watch-dogs-wisely-separates-itself-from-gta-5.

 

Only retards like you label it as a GTA clone.

 

Props to IGN for recognizing it as its own game and not a clone. If you actually watch the gameplay and trailers for it, you'd see for yourself how different it is from GTA. But, this is Blood we are talking about here; so I'm sure you are just going to continue to blindly hate on it, just like you do other games that isn't GTA V.

[Detective Phelps]

Hey guys check this article,how IGN is defending Watchdogs cause it was labelled a "GTA Clone" by many people:http://ie.ign.com/articles/2014/03/06/how-watch-dogs-wisely-separates-itself-from-gta-5.

Because it is a unique game, with the hacking and the detailed city. Also, the story will be awesome, but you won't ever realise that, since you won't get it. You're missing out....

 

Maybe if you stop being such an ignorant fanboy, and actually look at the gameplay of watch_dogs, which is, by the way, an amazing game.

 

And please STFU with the "GTA Clone" BS, thanks.

"Great comment bro"

"100% agree bro"

 

@Wool Smoth Agreed, here, take my like.

[BLOOD]

@Up @LSPD

you cant tell me what to f*cking say or not say,did you guys realise the article was written because everyone around the internet called it "GTA with Hacking" including me,even the writer was Praising GTA "GTA invented the Genre and it Undeniable" that my interpretation of it.And btw i dont call every game "GTA Clones" i only reserve the word to game with similar gameplay to GTA (or GTA 5).and the word was coined with the release of GTA3 (2001) and he mentioned "GTA3,Pay 'n' Spray,LS".and that article was to make people love Watchdog (a new franchise) just like GTA,and i will get it so now tell me how is that Fanboy?huh.

 

But i am sure the game will nowhere be the Masterpiece that is GTA 5

Edited March 6, 2014 by Blood-Is-in-Diamond

[Geralt of Rivia]

 

Hey guys check this article,how IGN is defending Watchdogs cause it was labelled a "GTA Clone" by many people:http://ie.ign.com/articles/2014/03/06/how-watch-dogs-wisely-separates-itself-from-gta-5.

Also, the story will be awesome,

People probably said that about V too. Let's just wait and see, yeah?

[Detective Phelps]

 

 

Hey guys check this article,how IGN is defending Watchdogs cause it was labelled a "GTA Clone" by many people:http://ie.ign.com/articles/2014/03/06/how-watch-dogs-wisely-separates-itself-from-gta-5.

Also, the story will be awesome,

People probably said that about V too. Let's just wait and see, yeah?

 

I didn't expect Vs strory to be awesome the second I found out there were 69 missions.

But I liked it for the gameplay.

 

WD will be more than that. It has one protag, and the story is revolved around the protag and his actions. Oh, and I can't believe that you're defending Blood, out of all people.

 

But yeah, we'll wait and see.

 

@Blood. You call every open world game a GTA Clone. So stop trying to lie and make up BS. WD can beat GTA V in terms of storyline, due to the point I put above. But in terms of gameplay... GTAV will probably win (it has more vehicles). Well, you also said "you can't tell me what to f*cking say", when you tell people what to say as well. Hypocrite.

 

As for your last point, you yourself admitted to being a fanboy a few times, so think before you post.

Edited March 6, 2014 by Los Santos Police Department

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

Well GTA IV is superly scripted, more than V.

What in the world is "superly" and why do you have to be a tool with no evidence to support your claims?

[Geralt of Rivia]

...How am I defending Blood? I'm saying we shouldn't judge things that aren't out yet, which is common sense.

 

Take that as you will, I guess...

[Detective Phelps]

...How am I defending Blood? I'm saying we shouldn't judge things that aren't out yet, which is common sense.

 

Take that as you will, I guess...

Oh, Ok, thanks for clarifying.

 

Well, you do have a point. But as I've said:

 

the story is revolved around the protag and his actions.

 

That is why I'm excited for WD, and it's story. It's a bit like RDR, where you can have good honour or bad honour.

[Cforumlbgfeva]

RDR is the greatest game I ever played. GTA V is too scripted. You can't even take out a weapon in the store in single player -_-. I love RDR. I hope RDR comes to pc.

[Cebra]

@daliakiller

This is a thread bashing on GTA 5,and how a non-GTA game is better than it,just because i am a GTA fan makes me think every games labelled "GTA Clone" is an exact copy of GTA,and all my comments in this thread,not once have i mentioned "GTA Clone" and i have been on topic to this [email protected] Thread,i was even comparing AC with RDR because but arent set in Modern times,but seeing you misunderstood my posts, i will say YES GTA invent the Genre since 1997.Yes Wolfenstein was the first FPS but in 2014,CoD will whoop it *ss in gameplay,success etc same goes with the first OWG and it wont stand a chance against GTA,I can bet my money Watchdogs would be compare with GTA 5 and also called a GTA-esque game by critics and reviews when it is released.I dont care what the first OWG was but GTA dominates the Genre in everyways.Hey look at Titanfall everyone is say it "CoD with mechs" same with RDR "GTA with Cowboys" in case you dont know type in "Video Game Clones"...anyway this thread is pointless using a "GTA Cowboy" to bash a masterpiece like V,infact RDR should be mentioned here it not part of the "GTA Family"

@PhilosophicalZebra

So you are tell me that because AC4 is a pirate game,it fits with boats.and then saying boats didnt exit during the 18-20th century? that b*llsh*t.AC2 wasnt about Pirates and you can still ride about.Now tell me RDR was in the 20th Century so it a shame not able to ride a boat or SWIM for that matter.AC games are SO Linear and Restrictive but RDR also takes the cake.

I've realized many times over that there's no point arguing with you since nothing we say gets through, but anyway, that's not even what I said. Where? Please tell me where in that comment did I say that boats didn't exist in the 19th or 20th century?

 

Also, in AC II the only reason reason you could use use a gondola is because you were in Venice. How do you expect to get around the canals without a gondola? There were no ships in the game. The reason that John wasn't able to swim was because his father never taught him how, and most cowboys didn't swim anyway. And please tell me how AC games are in any way 'restrictive'. Do.

 

GTA V is a great game, but nowhere near a masterpiece.

[peluche503]

 

What in the world is "superly" and why do you have to be a tool with no evidence to support your claims?

 

 

There was about a lot of missions with scripted car chases and too many assassination missions that don't have nothing on V's or VC's

Edited March 6, 2014 by peluche503

[redx165]

@Up @LSPD

you cant tell me what to f*cking say or not say,did you guys realise the article was written because everyone around the internet called it "GTA with Hacking" including me,even the writer was Praising GTA "GTA invented the Genre and it Undeniable" that my interpretation of it.And btw i dont call every game "GTA Clones" i only reserve the word to game with similar gameplay to GTA (or GTA 5).and the word was coined with the release of GTA3 (2001) and he mentioned "GTA3,Pay 'n' Spray,LS".and that article was to make people love Watchdog (a new franchise) just like GTA,and i will get it so now tell me how is that Fanboy?huh.

 

But i am sure the game will nowhere be the Masterpiece that is GTA 5

Only people calling it GTA with hacking are the fanboys ( You )

GTA did not invent open world and that's a fact. After you said it invented open world games this whole post is now pointless to read. Just a fanboy defending the game. When did GTA come out? 1997? Yea there were open world games out already.

 

So you're judging how a game plays before playing it? How can you do this? Do you have a gift? Every NORMAL person on this forum knows you can't judge something without trying it first.

 

No you use the term "GTA Clone" for every Open world game.

 

Red Dead Redemption

Driver

Watch Dogs

Assassin Creed

 

These four games I seen you recently say its a GTA clone. Which none of them are even closely alike. Your a fanboy for saying things like RDR is a GTA clone without even beating the game.

 

Masterpiece? Should we use GOTY logic here? I won't say anything GOTY if you don't say masterpiece.

 

Watch Dogs is a new IP. GTA is a huge milked franchise.

Edited March 6, 2014 by redx165

[Niobium]

 

 

Actually, in V, everything does feel like it isn't random. At Trevor's hangar, I see that same pedestrian with her dog. Every, f*cking, time.

Maybe she lives near there? Maybe she likes to walk her dog around the hangar because it's a nice, open space?

It's a possibility, but (s)he walks with a dog past Trevor's hangar EVERY TIME I go to the hangar.