reiniat Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) Let me start being honest, i don't think the client is always right, in fact the client is most likely to be wrong, i don't particularly trust in my opinion or in yours. And i want to believe that developers have a better sense of what needs to be done and how. And i believe the majority of gamers are most likely to be wrong and just want more COD clones, and making something like a petition and start searching for signatures is pointless as the more people who sign them doesn't necessarily mean that they are right or wrong. So, why do this then? Well GTA:O isn't just a sh*tty product that you play for 15 mins and sell or throw away, nor a product with some sharp edges.... It is a nonsensical mishmash of well developed systems mixed with illogical design decisions and systems than are bad implemented or not implemented at all (AND I'M TALKING TO YOU SPAWN SYSTEM). AND IT CAN BE FIXED, AND IT CAN BE FUN (OR MORE FUN THAN WHAT ALREADY IS FOR YOU OR FOR ME).... And more importantly; GTA:O doesn't need expensive big patches, it just needs basic tweaking to fix some nonsenses that should have never happened on first place. Nonsenses like the spawn system, the mission payments, and the weapon and vehicle balance. And those are things EVERYONE can notice and there's plenty of threads in this forum and many others that complain about it and have noticed how awkward they work, almost like no thought was put on their design... So i wrote an email declaration of principles and i'm gonna wave it in front of Rockstar's face like a big floppy dick until they pay attention and get their stuff right. Not because my ideas are better, but because they are foocking obvious fixes and at this point it seems like R* has no ideas at all.... And it would be great if you could help me by waving them in every R*s site, and in their Twitter, Facebook and Instagram accounts and all those fancy sites that kids today use. And i want you to help correcting such ideas and make them better with feedback (i'm sure you can come up with better ideas than me). So here is the first part about mission payments and how this game shouldn't be about farming f*cking Coveted and Rooftop Rumble when there's tons of missions that are much more fun and also harder. I tried to kept things small and concise, but tbh that's not my strong point (my strong point is rant and rage), so feedback is appreciated, i made a ticket in R* support and send an e-mail to [email protected], and it would be great if you can repost it somewhere else (as stated above) and keep pushing until someone at R* notices it and does something about it: If i farm Coveted in hard for an hour i can get 216,000 dollars (without considering ammo).... So why should other missions that take more time to accomplish and are harder to complete yield me less money? The way i see it, the rewards for missions should come in function of three things: - How much time takes the mission to complete (in average). - How hard is the mission (is there a way to check how many people fails a given mission?). - Who gives you the mission and its level requirement. And right now it seems most missions give you nonsensical rewards, and that makes people exploit the same missions over and over (like Rooftop Rumble and Coveted) because they pay decently while others (like most Simeon and Gerald mission) give pity rewards that don't make up for the time you spent on them. And it's even worst for new players because they don't have good missions available and leveling up becomes a chore and doesn't yield any money at all... And new players need bullet proof tires and resistant cars and plenty of ammo, and level up faster if they want to have fun in GTA:O.... So players should be able to call any mission giver or choose to join a random mission in their phones and be given a mission THAT GIVES THEM REASONABLE REWARDS not 1500 bucks for 10 mins of their time.... And it should be balanced in such a way that harder missions yield more money and the limit if one does the less time consuming and hardest mission available is 200,000 dollars per hour, so people can't get more money that what they already can as of 1.11. BUT INSTEAD they can do tons of different missions while having FUN, CHALLENGE and getting a DECENT PAYMENT, so they won't really care even if it takes them more time to get the money they want. -thanks for your time- Tomorrow i will write about weapon and vehicle balance so it will be great if you can give me your ideas about that, remember that we need something that is small but effective, preferably something that only changes in-game stats and thus can be easily implemented within a patch. Edited March 5, 2014 by reiniat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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reiniat Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) OH AND BTW, DONT WASTE MY TIME BY POSTING "DIDNT READ LOL".... I MEAN IT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL! IF YOURE TOO LAZY TO READ YOU SHOULD BE TOO LAZY TO POST TOO.... In fact your'e too lazy to live, so go kill yourselves Edited March 5, 2014 by reiniat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Elvis Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I think Rockstar would lash-out at a bombardment of requests, especially if we hang it "like a floppy dick" in front of their face. I see your point, me being new (level 9) on GTA Online hasn't given me much opportunity to earn cash. The jobs are quite sh*tty and repetitive (especially Simeon's) and selecting "Random Job" normally puts me into a game where my rank isn't high enough to compete. But the only concern is...if they do change the payment system, new players could be getting $10,000 for early missions (Gerald doesn't give out the simplest missions, especially if you do it on hard), which would make people cry about it's too easy and not a "challenge" anymore... But anyway, I will not partake in your "crusade" to have the minor issues fixed. I do not feel like being yelled at by a company that I respect because I demand too much in such a small margine of time (like half of the playerbase of Online). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IInsanityGaming Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 OH AND BTW, DONT WASTE MY TIME BY POSTING "DIDNT READ LOL".... I MEAN IT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL! IF YOURE TOO LAZY TO READ YOU SHOULD BE TOO LAZY TO POST TOO.... In fact your'e too lazy to live, so go kill yourselves OK, I was on board with this.I like revolutions or whatever.Then I read this dickhead post and you totally lost my support and interest MadHaTT3R and Spyrothedragon9972 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Elvis Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 OH AND BTW, DONT WASTE MY TIME BY POSTING "DIDNT READ LOL".... I MEAN IT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL! IF YOURE TOO LAZY TO READ YOU SHOULD BE TOO LAZY TO POST TOO.... In fact your'e too lazy to live, so go kill yourselves OK, I was on board with this.I like revolutions or whatever.Then I read this dickhead post and you totally lost my support and interest I think reiniat found this lovely beverage called "coffee". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyrothedragon9972 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 OH AND BTW, DONT WASTE MY TIME BY POSTING "DIDNT READ LOL".... I MEAN IT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL! IF YOURE TOO LAZY TO READ YOU SHOULD BE TOO LAZY TO POST TOO.... In fact your'e too lazy to live, so go kill yourselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNTLspazzm Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 You have to remember what R*'s main drive is. Cash cards. That's why everything is so overpriced and why downloading the content is free but the content itself cost in-game cash. The system (missions) you speak of is messed up to the player, but for the cash cards the formula is perfect. All that grinding and how it looks like a mountain of effort is perfect for the desperate joe with a credit card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyrothedragon9972 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) OH AND BTW, DONT WASTE MY TIME BY POSTING "DIDNT READ LOL".... I MEAN IT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL! IF YOURE TOO LAZY TO READ YOU SHOULD BE TOO LAZY TO POST TOO.... In fact your'e too lazy to live, so go kill yourselves OK, I was on board with this.I like revolutions or whatever.Then I read this dickhead post and you totally lost my support and interest Your character kind of looks like Pete Campbell You have to remember what R*'s main drive is. Cash cards. That's why everything is so overpriced and why downloading the content is free but the content itself cost in-game cash. The system (missions) you speak of is messed up to the player, but for the cash cards the formula is perfect. All that grinding and how it looks like a mountain of effort is perfect for the desperate joe with a credit card. Why does everyone act like there is some kind of cash card conspiracy? You don't need to buy anything. Everything is so expensive? Then don't buy it. Cash cards are there for people who are too compulsive to wait a few days or those who genuinely think it's a better use of their time and money. Yes, it would be in their interest for players to spend more money on their product, but in no way are they trying to force feed them to you. Edited March 5, 2014 by Spyrothedragon9972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevoidLight Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) \Why does everyone act like there is some kind of cash card conspiracy? You don't need to buy anything. Everything is so expensive? Then don't buy it. Cash cards are there for people who are too compulsive to wait a few days or those who genuinely think it's a better use of their time and money. Yes, it would be in their interest for players to spend more money on their product, but in no way are they trying to force feed them to you. I agree with you now, but if they ever cut mission payouts I'll be pretty upset. Edited March 5, 2014 by DevoidLight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNTLspazzm Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 @Spyro I agree that we don't have to buy anything. Your entirely right on that. This is a business though, the whole aim is to make money. The more the merrier in fact. There's never a limit when it comes to money where larger businesses say "We're good here - this amount of money is okay". That being said, there is a way to get what you want if you alter the conditions in your favor. It's not forcing people to buy your product, but it's putting pressure on them to buy your product. And it works. The people who need that instant gratification are prime targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IInsanityGaming Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 OH AND BTW, DONT WASTE MY TIME BY POSTING "DIDNT READ LOL".... I MEAN IT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL! IF YOURE TOO LAZY TO READ YOU SHOULD BE TOO LAZY TO POST TOO.... In fact your'e too lazy to live, so go kill yourselves OK, I was on board with this.I like revolutions or whatever.Then I read this dickhead post and you totally lost my support and interest Your character kind of looks like Pete Campbell You have to remember what R*'s main drive is. Cash cards. That's why everything is so overpriced and why downloading the content is free but the content itself cost in-game cash. The system (missions) you speak of is messed up to the player, but for the cash cards the formula is perfect. All that grinding and how it looks like a mountain of effort is perfect for the desperate joe with a credit card. Why does everyone act like there is some kind of cash card conspiracy? You don't need to buy anything. Everything is so expensive? Then don't buy it. Cash cards are there for people who are too compulsive to wait a few days or those who genuinely think it's a better use of their time and money. Yes, it would be in their interest for players to spend more money on their product, but in no way are they trying to force feed them to you. what? I don't get the reference as I have no idea wo that guy is,I dont understand why you said it because I dont know ho that is, and no my guy does not look like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiniat Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) You have to remember what R*'s main drive is. Cash cards. That's why everything is so overpriced and why downloading the content is free but the content itself cost in-game cash. The system (missions) you speak of is messed up to the player, but for the cash cards the formula is perfect. All that grinding and how it looks like a mountain of effort is perfect for the desperate joe with a credit card. But it only takes me 4 hours to get all the new cars.... Honestly that's nothing, add to that the fact that the new cars are incredibly cheap compared with the other high-end cars and they are gonna stay here forever..... It inclines me to think that R* doesn't care for the Cash cards as much as people thinks.... After all, they won a billion dollars in their first week... and since then they have covered the prize of GTA V.... And with a billion bucks you can finance around 10 games, and they already have 3 projects in development, and nobody has cash cards stats so nobody know if they are actually bought in big enough numbers.... TRUST ME, R* DOESN'T GIVE A sh*t ABOUT CASH CARDS, they are busy in other projects that will net them more billions, not those pity things I think Rockstar would lash-out at a bombardment of requests, especially if we hang it "like a floppy dick" in front of their face. I see your point, me being new (level 9) on GTA Online hasn't given me much opportunity to earn cash. The jobs are quite sh*tty and repetitive (especially Simeon's) and selecting "Random Job" normally puts me into a game where my rank isn't high enough to compete. But the only concern is...if they do change the payment system, new players could be getting $10,000 for early missions (Gerald doesn't give out the simplest missions, especially if you do it on hard), which would make people cry about it's too easy and not a "challenge" anymore... But anyway, I will not partake in your "crusade" to have the minor issues fixed. I do not feel like being yelled at by a company that I respect because I demand too much in such a small margine of time (like half of the playerbase of Online). THATS THE THING! the playerbase of GTA:O demands huge impossible things, i demand reasonable things that only require basic tweaking, in order to solve small and big problems, remember that: "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all." Also the floppy dick was just me having fun, you can see by yourself; i used all the normal and proper channels to voice my opinion with respect (as you can see, that is some pretty hard sh*t for me XD). And i don't propose some sort of boycott, im asking people to post in R* usual channels OH AND BTW, DONT WASTE MY TIME BY POSTING "DIDNT READ LOL".... I MEAN IT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL! IF YOURE TOO LAZY TO READ YOU SHOULD BE TOO LAZY TO POST TOO.... In fact your'e too lazy to live, so go kill yourselves OK, I was on board with this.I like revolutions or whatever.Then I read this dickhead post and you totally lost my support and interest Because im tired of people like him, and i think he does deserve my post, maybe im not being nice with him but i don't regret it.... And i do appreciate your opinion tough, just don't attack the messenger if the message is right. IT DOESNT HAVE TO BE MY MESSAGE, it can be yours too. Edited March 5, 2014 by reiniat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jizzle2014 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Gta 6 will be out by the time I'm done reading that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNTLspazzm Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 @reiniat Haha the fact the those 4 hours don't bother you is great. Your don't mind the grind, right on. I'm pretty sure they have statistics on cash cards though. Somewhere in the system. I mean, social club is a prime example of the smallest details they record. Anyway, back to the OP. Reiniat for president! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1ckmad3 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Well GTA:O isn't just a sh*tty product that you play for 15 mins and sell or throw away sell sell ummm you know gtao is free of charge you cant sell it get your facts straight before posting this caffeine driven topic of personal rant nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Elvis Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Well GTA:O isn't just a sh*tty product that you play for 15 mins and sell or throw away sell sell ummm you know gtao is free of charge you cant sell it get your facts straight before posting this caffeine driven topic of personal rant nonsense. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) he's referring to Grand Theft Auto 5, as in the base game which Online is included with. Because apparently only people without the internet enjoy singleplayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadHaTT3R Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Dude if this is how you wrote your support ticket, you are going nowhere. You come off juvenile and brash. You have no patience, as represented by the "kill yourself" comment and to be frank I find your whole rant to be nothing more than a player complaining about every aspect of the game. Its tbh, boring. No disrespect (though you really deserve none anyway given your second post), but calm down. You can send em all you want and they will do what they want, regardless of your pestering them to change their game to better suit what you and maybe 2% of the population think is best. While some of your ideas are no doubt logical or obvious, they are nothing more than complaints in the eyes of R* and since nothing you are saying is effecting the player base and therefore possible Shark card sales, they will do nothing and your emails and tickets will get level 5 response...if that. Good luck though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtaocicat Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 if rockstar truly didnt give a damned about cashcard they wouldnt have made the vday items temporary in the stores . i mean can you imagine how many cashcards were sold when they announced that the items would be removed from the stores ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHIECOQUI Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 MadHaTT3R 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GratuitousViolets Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I agree about the mission payouts being strangely low at higher levels. I kind of understand that Rockstar changed the mission pay outs because certain people were spamming the missions and banking serious cash after a while, but what they seemed to fail to realise is a good portion of the missions can cost a hell of a lot more to complete than is paid out. It makes people want to spam the few lucrative missions like Coveted, Potshot and Rooftop Rumble, which in my experience, take less than 5 minutes for some people to complete (admittedly I take my time with Coveted because I love the sneakiness factor of sniping the tossers from the hills!). Instead, players are opting out of trying other more challenging and interesting missions simply because after all the investment into ammo, armor and snacks, it barely becomes worth it at the end of the day. Because of this, gameplay gets stale for people, because the only way to afford the things they want is to play the three missions mentioned, and they are missing out on how much fun the more difficult missions are simply because it's simply not worth spending 15-30 mins to get a 5k pay out. It's understandable. I know I feel completely jaded when I sit there trying to complete a mission on solo (I don't play with others in a session much because people just gun me down, run me over and make it hard to progress, so I gave up) and it's taken me nearly half an hour to get enough for 5 sticky bombs haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backward_axis Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Being as it is a game, and disseminating a "Declaration of Principles" is not what I would imagine anyone considering fun, I don't see this cause going over well. Seems overly sensational to me. But, godspeed, sir. Godspeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guelah Papyrus Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Is misspelling in memes a thing now? OH AND BTW, DONT WASTE MY TIME BY POSTING "DIDNT READ LOL".... I MEAN IT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL! IF YOURE TOO LAZY TO READ YOU SHOULD BE TOO LAZY TO POST TOO.... In fact your'e too lazy to live, so go kill yourselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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