Catchup is for Bitches

[Muirenn]

Fak u, I love catchup on my burgers and chicken nuggets.

[mo-seph]

 

 

catchup literally punishes you for being the best racer, thats bullsh*t end of argument.

The best racer can win in spite of catchup - If you're good enough, even if the car behind you has a boost over you, you can keep that lead....

 

People keep posting like it's an automatic or a gimme, that catchup/slipstream is a free and easy pass... it just isn't if you're driving with your wits about you and keeping an eye behind you and looking for moves in your radar.

 

i shouldnt have to go f*cking caveman on anyone trying to overtake me because the host left handicap on, hell i wouldnt have to if my car wasnt reduced to 2nd or 3rd gear to begin with

"that catchup/slipstream is a free and easy pass" yeah it f*cking is, if my speed is limited because im in 1st and someone gets a retarded amount of boost for not being in first, theres not a damn thing i can do about that

 

 

jsut to point out the back of the pack dont get a boost (apart from slipstream which is applicable wiht either catchup on or off) its the lead that gets limited... hence its called catchup, not speed up...

 

 

 

catchup literally punishes you for being the best racer, thats bullsh*t end of argument.

 

This! And I almost missed this post, because of the huge quote trains, lol.

 

It could be argued that with catchup OFF, the luckiest racer (the one who avoids the carnage in the opening yards) will go on and win without any actual racing (overtakes etc.) taking place... the "best" racers should still be able to win with catchup ON, as it takes far more skill to keep a lead when the game is slowing you and boosting your rivals.

 

 

 

if everyone crashes in the first corner,,, you aint racing with good drivers... simple as that..

 

a good pack of drivers wont crash early on, they will stick together as a pack and overtakes are frequent, most races im in with crew members a good 70% of the race will have popups of "x person entered 1st" as the battle for the lead ensues...

 

 

 

 

 

no the error was on your part, you said "someone uses catch up on you".... thats impossible no-one can use catch up on a selective player, when catchup is on it is applicable to everyone in the lobby, although it only affects the player in first place, because it allows the field to .... catchup (hence the name)....

 

if you took the time to write a comprehensive post, then confusion wouldnt occur...

 

Are you trying to start an argument or something?

First of all, The fact that it's automatically applied has nothing to do with it, It's still technically using it (Especially if you toggle it in your race options.)

It was comprehensive, You just missed the point

 

 

 

no i dont start arguments, if i wanted to, there would be no ambiguity about the fact. by all means begin if you wish, but you will find my contributions dwindle very quickly.

 

if i wanted to start an argument i would highlight the fact that a prerequisite of using "firstly" in a post determines that a "secondly" should follow... but that wouldnt add anything to the thread now would it...

 

 

had you quoted me fully you would see i said its nothing personal, yet you take it personally... im making a point, contributing to a thread and discussing a topic.... thats the end of it... hell i even made a joke to try and lighten the mood, but obviously you missed the point (should i now spend the next 4 posts blaming your ability to read??? )

 

, you made a simple error in the way you described it, no individual "uses" catchup, its applied to the whole lobby... so individuals do not use it against other individuals in the same race, all individuals are subject to the mechanics of catchup...., the equivalent of your arguement is that someone used gravity on you to make you fall... no gravity is there, it affects us all (although based on mass some are affected more than others)...

 

repeating your point doesnt make it right... you were misunderstood because you didnt effectively communicate your point, understanding is a basis of the receivers ability and the transmitters comprehension.. your comprehension (in the written sense not ability to understand) was pretty poor to say the least... so its no wonder people misunderstood you... at the point mroe than one person misunderstood you, then it becomes an issue with your communication, not their ability to read

 

but you can flog the horse as much as you want...its dead now and you cant change that

Edited February 28, 2014 by mo-seph

[LuapYllier]

 

 

catchup literally punishes you for being the best racer, thats bullsh*t end of argument.

The best racer can win in spite of catchup - If you're good enough, even if the car behind you has a boost over you, you can keep that lead....

 

People keep posting like it's an automatic or a gimme, that catchup/slipstream is a free and easy pass... it just isn't if you're driving with your wits about you and keeping an eye behind you and looking for moves in your radar.

Catchup has little to no effect on racers that are close enough to be in a position to pass. What it does is give a player who made a mistake and crashed and is far behind an opportunity to catch back up to the leaders by making you faster and them slower. Once you are close the effect dwindles and it is up to your skills at using slipsteam and better driving or in the case of the leader, better blocking...just as if catchup didnt exist.

 

The point that the OP and several other posters are trying to make is that the whole fact that the driver that made no mistakes and used skill to be in first is punished and the careless driver who slams walls and crashes into people and spins out and falls behind due to lack of skill still has the ability to win because of this feature.

 

It just basically should not be the case that that be true.

 

Being able to work around a feature or compensate for it in no way justifies its existance.

Edited February 28, 2014 by LuapYllier

[Lunantic]

 

i shouldnt have to go f*cking caveman on anyone trying to overtake me because the host left handicap on, hell i wouldnt have to if my car wasnt reduced to 2nd or 3rd gear to begin with

"that catchup/slipstream is a free and easy pass" yeah it f*cking is, if my speed is limited because im in 1st and someone gets a retarded amount of boost for not being in first, theres not a damn thing i can do about that

I dunno what to say, having never seen you race that I know about, but I've managed to block many, MANY attempted passes when the guy behind me has had the boost the catchup gives them.

 

It doesn't always work, far from it, but that's the challenge for me, and why I prefer it on. Knowing the guy coming up behind you has all the advantages, and all you've got is track position, and you STILL manage to hold them off, feels great!

 

I am sure winning easily from start to finish still feels good, cause hey, winning is winning, right? But I'd rather have a lower win/loss ratio and have some tight and exciting races, than just cruise to a tonne of victories.

[LuapYllier]

 

The point of racing is to be the fastest to the finish line. Not be punished for being in 1st. Which is why players who actually like racing don't like catch up. Hence this topic.

If the game mechanic that makes sure the vast majority of races I am in are close, tight, exciting and full of wheel to wheel overtaking, then punish me plenty!

 

Once you reach a decent level of race skill, you find the difference in ability between you and the field is negligible, and with catchup off, 99% of races would be decided in the first corner, the one guy who didn't get spun out going on to win without so much as a sniff of a challenge... that sounds dull as hell to me personally.

Racing with randoms that may often be true...racing with equals the first corner or even the first lap is rarely the decider in the race.

[Lunantic]

 

if everyone crashes in the first corner,,, you aint racing with good drivers... simple as that..

 

a good pack of drivers wont crash early on, they will stick together as a pack and overtakes are frequent, most races im in with crew members a good 70% of the race will have popups of "x person entered 1st" as the battle for the lead ensues...

 

Sadly I don't have a large enough group of regulars to race with, and the vast majority of races I find in public are full of a-holes who just cause carnage from the word GO, having no interest in even trying to race clean - sometimes you can avoid it, others you can't help but get mangled in the opening seconds

[mo-seph]

 

 

if everyone crashes in the first corner,,, you aint racing with good drivers... simple as that..

 

a good pack of drivers wont crash early on, they will stick together as a pack and overtakes are frequent, most races im in with crew members a good 70% of the race will have popups of "x person entered 1st" as the battle for the lead ensues...

 

Sadly I don't have a large enough group of regulars to race with, and the vast majority of races I find in public are full of a-holes who just cause carnage from the word GO, having no interest in even trying to race clean - sometimes you can avoid it, others you can't help but get mangled in the opening seconds

 

 

theres crews that can fix that for you.... ones that specialise in racing and where you will find a good challenge.... it crippled my win/loss ratio but the races were better, more exciting, challenging and mostly... fun.

 

so as not to be biased...

 

one was featured on a recent rockstar crew cut... another is the best upcoming crew/gang on gtaf.... your free to find them yourself and make a chocie

[BrownMattHall]

 

 

i shouldnt have to go f*cking caveman on anyone trying to overtake me because the host left handicap on, hell i wouldnt have to if my car wasnt reduced to 2nd or 3rd gear to begin with

"that catchup/slipstream is a free and easy pass" yeah it f*cking is, if my speed is limited because im in 1st and someone gets a retarded amount of boost for not being in first, theres not a damn thing i can do about that

I dunno what to say, having never seen you race that I know about, but I've managed to block many, MANY attempted passes when the guy behind me has had the boost the catchup gives them.

 

It doesn't always work, far from it, but that's the challenge for me, and why I prefer it on. Knowing the guy coming up behind you has all the advantages, and all you've got is track position, and you STILL manage to hold them off, feels great!

 

I am sure winning easily from start to finish still feels good, cause hey, winning is winning, right? But I'd rather have a lower win/loss ratio and have some tight and exciting races, than just cruise to a tonne of victories.

 

thats besides the point im trying to make about it. its hindering you to a VERY large degree for being top of the pack, and giving a gigantic advantage to you for not. thats not what racing is about, you should be in first because youve EARNED that position not bc it was handed to you by some busted ass game mechanic.

 

 

 

catchup literally punishes you for being the best racer, thats bullsh*t end of argument.

The best racer can win in spite of catchup - If you're good enough, even if the car behind you has a boost over you, you can keep that lead....

 

People keep posting like it's an automatic or a gimme, that catchup/slipstream is a free and easy pass... it just isn't if you're driving with your wits about you and keeping an eye behind you and looking for moves in your radar.

Catchup has little to no effect on racers that are close enough to be in a position to pass. What it does is give a player who made a mistake and crashed and is far behind an opportunity to catch back up to the leaders by making you faster and them slower. Once you are close the ecfect dwindles and it is up to yous skills at using slipsteam and better driving or in the case of the leader, better blocking...just as if catchup didnt exist.

 

The point that the OP and several other posters are trying to make is that the whole fact that the driver that made no mistakes and used skill to be in first is punished and the careless driver who slams walls and crashes into people and spins out and falls behind due to lack of skill still has the ability to win because of this feature.

 

It just basically should not be the case that that be true.

 

Being able to work around a feature or compensate for it in no way justifies its existance.

 

if youve messed up so bad that you have no chance to get back to the pack then frankly you shouldnt be anywhere near 1st to begin with for that race. furthermore i shouldnt have to work around problems that shouldnt be there in the first place to keep the lead ive gotten, beyond that the whole system is completely busted. ive had instances where i was in a close second and the game cut my speed to low gear and the guy in first just took off. complete crap

[Vooodu]

It could be argued that with catchup OFF, the luckiest racer (the one who avoids the carnage in the opening yards) will go on and win without any actual racing (overtakes etc.) taking place... the "best" racers should still be able to win with catchup ON, as it takes far more skill to keep a lead when the game is slowing you and boosting your rivals.

 

 

 

 

Id rather be the unlucky loser then the winner that won because of a feature that punishes the 1st place racer.

 

Maybe its just me. But i prefer to pay for my own mistakes not punish others.

 

And id rather loose to the better racer. Not play a racing lottery.

 

 

Catch up is not that extreme in races with alot of turns. But in straight style races its over powering.. And considering the fact that 99.9% of public racers will wipe on sight. This is just a tool used to help them accomplish this more often.

Edited February 28, 2014 by Vooodu

[LuapYllier]

@Mo-seph

One correction. You mention above that catchup only slows the leader. That is not true. The farther behind you are the more speed your car is bonused. I tested this out one day accidentally by needing to answer the phone while in a race with crew. Same cars, similar skills and race lines, i was a lap down and blew the doors off all three of the other racers. I didnt make up the whole lap oobviously but my car was considerably faster than second and third place cars and way faster than first. I was able to overcome all three of them easily and get back on the lead lap. My lap time was a good 15 seconds better than first place. Its the reason I never use it anymore...it distorts the performance of the entire field.

[Pixel S]

@Mo-seph

One correction. You mention above that catchup only slows the leader. That is not true. The farther behind you are the more speed your car is bonused. I tested this out one day accidentally by needing to answer the phone while in a race with crew. Same cars, similar skills and race lines, i was a lap down and blew the doors off all three of the other racers. I didnt make up the whole lap oobviously but my car was considerably faster than second and third place cars and way faster than first. I was able to overcome all three of them easily and get back on the lead lap. My lap time was a good 15 seconds better than first place. Its the reason I never use it anymore...it distorts the performance of the entire field.

This is true

[Vooodu]

@Mo-seph

One correction. You mention above that catchup only slows the leader. That is not true. The farther behind you are the more speed your car is bonused. I tested this out one day accidentally by needing to answer the phone while in a race with crew. Same cars, similar skills and race lines, i was a lap down and blew the doors off all three of the other racers. I didnt make up the whole lap oobviously but my car was considerably faster than second and third place cars and way faster than first. I was able to overcome all three of them easily and get back on the lead lap. My lap time was a good 15 seconds better than first place. Its the reason I never use it anymore...it distorts the performance of the entire field.

 

 

I used to wonder about that too. And i think you're right.

 

 

Or.. The game keeps thinking the lead cars are passing each other, even tho they are not. Slowing them all down with catch up. Which in turn slows down the whole pack chasing the lead car.

 

 

I mean, i've been slowed down in 3rd and 2nd by catch up many times. Even the game thinks im in 1st with a pop up message., but im not.

Edited February 28, 2014 by Vooodu

[Lunantic]

 

Id rather be the unlucky loser then the winner that won because of a feature that punishes the 1st place racer.

 

Maybe its just me. But i prefer to pay for my own mistakes not punish others.

 

And id rather loose to the better racer. Not play a racing lottery.

 

Catch up is not that extreme in races with alot of turns. But in straight style races its over powering.. And considering the fact that 99.9% of public racers will wipe on sight. This is just a tool used to help them accomplish this more often.

 

People keep saying "punish" - Making the races tighter and more exciting than they otherwise might have been, feels far from a punishment to me.

 

I maintain that if you're good enough and alert enough, you can still hold the lead over someone who's gaining an advantage with the catchup ON. Good use of your radar, well timed glances into rearview, and well executed blocks can help you keep that first place you earned.

[mo-seph]

@Mo-seph

One correction. You mention above that catchup only slows the leader. That is not true. The farther behind you are the more speed your car is bonused. I tested this out one day accidentally by needing to answer the phone while in a race with crew. Same cars, similar skills and race lines, i was a lap down and blew the doors off all three of the other racers. I didnt make up the whole lap oobviously but my car was considerably faster than second and third place cars and way faster than first. I was able to overcome all three of them easily and get back on the lead lap. My lap time was a good 15 seconds better than first place. Its the reason I never use it anymore...it distorts the performance of the entire field.

 

this has always been a subjective point and i know weve debated it with many a forum user in the past...

 

but being faster than the cars in front of you doesnt denote your geting a speed boost, more that they are being slowed down (possibly proportionately)

 

the aspect i never understood with the back of the pack getting a speed boost is that theres a speed cap of 150mph online... it cant be breached (excepted tank/gate launches), even with supercars using GTAboosts,

 

ive even gone ot the point of asking fun (our resident GTA coding guru) to check the code but ive still not heard back... id love to tear apart the catchup code to know definitively what it does

 

personally i dont think it gives anyone a boost due to the speed cap, although i do concede that there does seem to be (albeit small) proportionate limitation on speed relative to your position in the race... but neither the speed boost, proportionate limitations change the fact that if your in the lead,,,, your screwed

 

i know we can both agree on that one

 

 

 

 

 

@Mo-seph

One correction. You mention above that catchup only slows the leader. That is not true. The farther behind you are the more speed your car is bonused. I tested this out one day accidentally by needing to answer the phone while in a race with crew. Same cars, similar skills and race lines, i was a lap down and blew the doors off all three of the other racers. I didnt make up the whole lap oobviously but my car was considerably faster than second and third place cars and way faster than first. I was able to overcome all three of them easily and get back on the lead lap. My lap time was a good 15 seconds better than first place. Its the reason I never use it anymore...it distorts the performance of the entire field.

 

 

I used to wonder about that too. And i think you're right.

 

 

Or.. The game keeps thinking the lead cars are passing each other, even tho they are not. Slowing them all down with catch up. Which in turn slows down the whole pack chasing the lead car.

 

 

I mean, i've been slowed down in 3rd and 2nd by catch up many times. Even the game thinks im in 1st with a pop up message., but im not.

 

 

this is a factor..

Edited February 28, 2014 by mo-seph

[Vooodu]

 

 

Id rather be the unlucky loser then the winner that won because of a feature that punishes the 1st place racer.

 

Maybe its just me. But i prefer to pay for my own mistakes not punish others.

 

And id rather loose to the better racer. Not play a racing lottery.

 

Catch up is not that extreme in races with alot of turns. But in straight style races its over powering.. And considering the fact that 99.9% of public racers will wipe on sight. This is just a tool used to help them accomplish this more often.

 

People keep saying "punish" - Making the races tighter and more exciting than they otherwise might have been, feels far from a punishment to me.

 

 

 

 

Yes.. Punish.

 

A race is a race. Right? Maybe and you have different definitions of what a race is. I googled it... It says "a competition between runners, horses, vehicles, boats, etc., to see which is the fastest in covering a set course"... Which to me, catch up nulls the point of.

 

 

Im not about to do a 100 meter dash and then Lasso the guy in front if he gets a lead just so i can catch up. Thats not a race

Edited February 28, 2014 by Vooodu

[LuapYllier]

 

 

@Mo-seph

One correction. You mention above that catchup only slows the leader. That is not true. The farther behind you are the more speed your car is bonused. I tested this out one day accidentally by needing to answer the phone while in a race with crew. Same cars, similar skills and race lines, i was a lap down and blew the doors off all three of the other racers. I didnt make up the whole lap oobviously but my car was considerably faster than second and third place cars and way faster than first. I was able to overcome all three of them easily and get back on the lead lap. My lap time was a good 15 seconds better than first place. Its the reason I never use it anymore...it distorts the performance of the entire field.

 

I used to wonder about that too. And i think you're right.

 

 

Or.. The game keeps thinking the lead cars are passing each other, even tho they are not. Slowing them all down with catch up. Which in turn slows down the whole pack chasing the lead car.

 

 

I mean, i've been slowed down in 3rd and 2nd by catch up many times. Even the game thinks im in 1st with a pop up message., but im not.

Anyone who has raced the commute with an equal and clean racer can attest to the way it works. It reduces the speed of first, heavily increases the speed of far behind racers and does little to nothing for the guy in close second. This results in a slinky effect as the lead keeps changing and the penalty keeps switching. It will keep going back and forth until you are side by side and finish within hundredths of seconds of each other.

[Lunantic]

 

 

 

Id rather be the unlucky loser then the winner that won because of a feature that punishes the 1st place racer.

 

Maybe its just me. But i prefer to pay for my own mistakes not punish others.

 

And id rather loose to the better racer. Not play a racing lottery.

 

Catch up is not that extreme in races with alot of turns. But in straight style races its over powering.. And considering the fact that 99.9% of public racers will wipe on sight. This is just a tool used to help them accomplish this more often.

 

People keep saying "punish" - Making the races tighter and more exciting than they otherwise might have been, feels far from a punishment to me.

 

 

 

 

Yes.. Punish.

 

A race is a race. Right? Maybe and you have different definitions of what a race is. I googled it... It says "a competition between runners, horses, vehicles, boats, etc., to see which is the fastest in covering a set course"... Which to me, catch up nulls the point of.

 

 

Im not about to do a 100 meter dash and then Lasso the guy in front if he gets a lead just so i can catch up. Thats not a race

 

Yeah, that's what a race is...

 

To me though a race without "racing" in it is too dull to be worth my effort. Wheel to wheel action, daring overtaking moves, defensive weaving... now THAT is RACING to me, and why I am preferring GTA online races to the likes of GRiD 2 et al.

 

Racing without catchup might be more like the real thing, but like F1 one has been like for a few years now, there's not a great deal of actual race maneuvers happening at all, it becomes something of a procession, the same drivers getting the lead early and keeping it the entire bloody race... I prefer the excitement of challenging other racers wheel to wheel, than just what would basically be you versus the clock, and everyone just takes turns, lowest time wins... *yawns*

[Vooodu]

 

 

@Mo-seph

One correction. You mention above that catchup only slows the leader. That is not true. The farther behind you are the more speed your car is bonused. I tested this out one day accidentally by needing to answer the phone while in a race with crew. Same cars, similar skills and race lines, i was a lap down and blew the doors off all three of the other racers. I didnt make up the whole lap oobviously but my car was considerably faster than second and third place cars and way faster than first. I was able to overcome all three of them easily and get back on the lead lap. My lap time was a good 15 seconds better than first place. Its the reason I never use it anymore...it distorts the performance of the entire field.

 

I used to wonder about that too. And i think you're right.

 

 

Or.. The game keeps thinking the lead cars are passing each other, even tho they are not. Slowing them all down with catch up. Which in turn slows down the whole pack chasing the lead car.

 

 

I mean, i've been slowed down in 3rd and 2nd by catch up many times. Even the game thinks im in 1st with a pop up message., but im not.

Anyone who has raced the commute with an equal and clean racer can attest to the way it works. It reduces the speed of first, heavily increases the speed of far behind racers and does little to nothing for the guy in close second. This results in a slinky effect as the lead keeps changing and the penalty keeps switching. It will keep going back and forth until you are side by side and finish within hundredths of seconds of each other.

 

 

Except if the game thinks you passed the 1st place guy. It will pass the catch up curse to second place while the real fist place driver gets the curse lifted.

 

 

Maybe.. In races like the commute there's such a huge shuffle of catch up going on that it starts slowing down everyone even more. Giving it a placebo effect to players in back.

Edited February 28, 2014 by Vooodu

[LuapYllier]

 

 

@Mo-seph

One correction. You mention above that catchup only slows the leader. That is not true. The farther behind you are the more speed your car is bonused. I tested this out one day accidentally by needing to answer the phone while in a race with crew. Same cars, similar skills and race lines, i was a lap down and blew the doors off all three of the other racers. I didnt make up the whole lap oobviously but my car was considerably faster than second and third place cars and way faster than first. I was able to overcome all three of them easily and get back on the lead lap. My lap time was a good 15 seconds better than first place. Its the reason I never use it anymore...it distorts the performance of the entire field.

this has always been a subjective point and i know weve debated it with many a forum user in the past...

 

but being faster than the cars in front of you doesnt denote your geting a speed boost, more that they are being slowed down (possibly proportionately)

 

the aspect i never understood with the back of the pack getting a speed boost is that theres a speed cap of 150mph online... it cant be breached (excepted tank/gate launches), even with supercars using GTAboosts,

 

ive even gone ot the point of asking fun (our resident GTA coding guru) to check the code but ive still not heard back... id love to tear apart the catchup code to know definitively what it does

 

personally i dont think it gives anyone a boost due to the speed cap, although i do concede that there does seem to be (albeit small) proportionate limitation on speed relative to your position in the race... but neither the speed boost, proportionate limitations change the fact that if your in the lead,,,, your screwed

 

i know we can both agree on that one

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Mo-seph

One correction. You mention above that catchup only slows the leader. That is not true. The farther behind you are the more speed your car is bonused. I tested this out one day accidentally by needing to answer the phone while in a race with crew. Same cars, similar skills and race lines, i was a lap down and blew the doors off all three of the other racers. I didnt make up the whole lap oobviously but my car was considerably faster than second and third place cars and way faster than first. I was able to overcome all three of them easily and get back on the lead lap. My lap time was a good 15 seconds better than first place. Its the reason I never use it anymore...it distorts the performance of the entire field.

 

I used to wonder about that too. And i think you're right.

 

 

Or.. The game keeps thinking the lead cars are passing each other, even tho they are not. Slowing them all down with catch up. Which in turn slows down the whole pack chasing the lead car.

 

 

I mean, i've been slowed down in 3rd and 2nd by catch up many times. Even the game thinks im in 1st with a pop up message., but im not.

 

this is a factor..

It is not a boost to top end. It is a boost just like the GTA boost only much lighter and more constant. It gives you stronger acceleration, allowing you to be at higher speeds than usual when you get to the next turn which is a large part of why people in the back often have a harder time with corners because they are travelling at a higher entry speed than they are normally accustomed to.

 

If it is a long straight then the guy a lap down at max speed will be no faster than second place. He will be faster than first because first is governed. However every turn will give the lapped guy an advantage and makeup time.

[mo-seph]

 

 

 

@Mo-seph

One correction. You mention above that catchup only slows the leader. That is not true. The farther behind you are the more speed your car is bonused. I tested this out one day accidentally by needing to answer the phone while in a race with crew. Same cars, similar skills and race lines, i was a lap down and blew the doors off all three of the other racers. I didnt make up the whole lap oobviously but my car was considerably faster than second and third place cars and way faster than first. I was able to overcome all three of them easily and get back on the lead lap. My lap time was a good 15 seconds better than first place. Its the reason I never use it anymore...it distorts the performance of the entire field.

 

I used to wonder about that too. And i think you're right.

 

 

Or.. The game keeps thinking the lead cars are passing each other, even tho they are not. Slowing them all down with catch up. Which in turn slows down the whole pack chasing the lead car.

 

 

I mean, i've been slowed down in 3rd and 2nd by catch up many times. Even the game thinks im in 1st with a pop up message., but im not.

Anyone who has raced the commute with an equal and clean racer can attest to the way it works. It reduces the speed of first, heavily increases the speed of far behind racers and does little to nothing for the guy in close second. This results in a slinky effect as the lead keeps changing and the penalty keeps switching. It will keep going back and forth until you are side by side and finish within hundredths of seconds of each other.

 

 

Except if the game thinks you passed the 1st place guy. It will pass the catch up curse to second place while the real fist place drive gets the curse lifted.

 

 

Maybe.. In races like the commute there's such a huge shuffle of catch up going on that it starts slowing down everyone even more. Giving it a placebo effects to players in back.

 

 

lags a bitch aint it... but a fair point, is ee incorrect "x person has entered first" messages all the time, but when i hit down on the d-pad the race times clearly show thats not the case... would be interesting to know how that affects catchup..

[LuapYllier]

 

 

 

@Mo-seph

One correction. You mention above that catchup only slows the leader. That is not true. The farther behind you are the more speed your car is bonused. I tested this out one day accidentally by needing to answer the phone while in a race with crew. Same cars, similar skills and race lines, i was a lap down and blew the doors off all three of the other racers. I didnt make up the whole lap oobviously but my car was considerably faster than second and third place cars and way faster than first. I was able to overcome all three of them easily and get back on the lead lap. My lap time was a good 15 seconds better than first place. Its the reason I never use it anymore...it distorts the performance of the entire field.

 

I used to wonder about that too. And i think you're right.

 

 

Or.. The game keeps thinking the lead cars are passing each other, even tho they are not. Slowing them all down with catch up. Which in turn slows down the whole pack chasing the lead car.

 

 

I mean, i've been slowed down in 3rd and 2nd by catch up many times. Even the game thinks im in 1st with a pop up message., but im not.

Anyone who has raced the commute with an equal and clean racer can attest to the way it works. It reduces the speed of first, heavily increases the speed of far behind racers and does little to nothing for the guy in close second. This results in a slinky effect as the lead keeps changing and the penalty keeps switching. It will keep going back and forth until you are side by side and finish within hundredths of seconds of each other.

So yeah I guess I mistated this as it increases the accelleration not the speed. It is also why, since there is only one turn in the commute that requires slowing down, the catchup in this race does not result in say third place catching up to second but both third and second will gain on first because he is governed.

[mo-seph]

 

 

@Mo-seph

One correction. You mention above that catchup only slows the leader. That is not true. The farther behind you are the more speed your car is bonused. I tested this out one day accidentally by needing to answer the phone while in a race with crew. Same cars, similar skills and race lines, i was a lap down and blew the doors off all three of the other racers. I didnt make up the whole lap oobviously but my car was considerably faster than second and third place cars and way faster than first. I was able to overcome all three of them easily and get back on the lead lap. My lap time was a good 15 seconds better than first place. Its the reason I never use it anymore...it distorts the performance of the entire field.

this has always been a subjective point and i know weve debated it with many a forum user in the past...

 

but being faster than the cars in front of you doesnt denote your geting a speed boost, more that they are being slowed down (possibly proportionately)

 

the aspect i never understood with the back of the pack getting a speed boost is that theres a speed cap of 150mph online... it cant be breached (excepted tank/gate launches), even with supercars using GTAboosts,

 

ive even gone ot the point of asking fun (our resident GTA coding guru) to check the code but ive still not heard back... id love to tear apart the catchup code to know definitively what it does

 

personally i dont think it gives anyone a boost due to the speed cap, although i do concede that there does seem to be (albeit small) proportionate limitation on speed relative to your position in the race... but neither the speed boost, proportionate limitations change the fact that if your in the lead,,,, your screwed

 

i know we can both agree on that one

 

 

 

 

 

@Mo-seph

One correction. You mention above that catchup only slows the leader. That is not true. The farther behind you are the more speed your car is bonused. I tested this out one day accidentally by needing to answer the phone while in a race with crew. Same cars, similar skills and race lines, i was a lap down and blew the doors off all three of the other racers. I didnt make up the whole lap oobviously but my car was considerably faster than second and third place cars and way faster than first. I was able to overcome all three of them easily and get back on the lead lap. My lap time was a good 15 seconds better than first place. Its the reason I never use it anymore...it distorts the performance of the entire field.

 

I used to wonder about that too. And i think you're right.

 

 

Or.. The game keeps thinking the lead cars are passing each other, even tho they are not. Slowing them all down with catch up. Which in turn slows down the whole pack chasing the lead car.

 

 

I mean, i've been slowed down in 3rd and 2nd by catch up many times. Even the game thinks im in 1st with a pop up message., but im not.

 

this is a factor..

It is not a boost to top end. It is a boost just like the GTA boost only much lighter and more constant. It gives you stronger acceleration, allowing you to be at higher speeds than usual when you get to the next turn which is a large part of why people in the back often have a harder time with corners because they are travelling at a higher entry speed than they are normally accustomed to.

 

If it is a long straight then the guy a lap down at max speed will be no faster than second place. He will be faster than first because first is governed. However every turn will give the lapped guy an advantage and makeup time.

 

 

so your saying its not that it boosts speed (which is as i expect) but rather it increases acceleration.... this would make sense and i can see how that would give the impression of a speed boost, as its rare to have a consistent "top speed" run for any length of time, and the appearance of a "boost" would be increased acceleration coming out of a corner

 

 

not sure how acceleration would increase your entry speed to a corner... unless of course your still accelerating up to max speed and feeling the effect of increased acceleration compared to the guy in front.

 

 

bearing in mind the appearance of a "speed boost" is relative to the speed of those around you...

 

 

 

 

So yeah I guess I mistated this as it increases the accelleration not the speed. It is also why, since there is only one turn in the commute that requires slowing down, the catchup in this race does not result in say third place catching up to second but both third and second will gain on first because he is governed.

 

 

 

and that's exactly how a reasonable person admits to an oversight, as opposed to certain individuals earlier in this topic... so no argument ensures and a collective understanding is achieved...

 

now that wasnt so difficult was it

Edited February 28, 2014 by mo-seph

[Lunantic]

Whether you approve of or like CATCHUP or not, I don't think many could say that it makes the races boring!

 

I love entering a race confident I am going to be quite competitive, and certain there's going to be some overtaking action, each and every time I line up on the grid.

[xIlIxGHOSTxIlIx]

WTF !!!! Every single race has catchup on...Catchup is for bitches and pussies . Thats right .

WHY just f*ckin WHY!!!

 

Godforbid I try to start my own race with catchup off. Ofcourse no one joins.

 

If you cant win a race without it then you shouldnt be f*ckin racing.

First off no its not. Its only fair to the people who get spun out by a** holes. And judging by your OP youre one of them. Why should someone get spun out or rammed off the road and then have to work harder to try to catch up on their own and still har no chance to win.

 

U wanna race without catchup, find some good friends who like to race legit and dont like catchup.

[Vooodu]

Whether you approve of or like CATCHUP or not, I don't think many could say that it makes the races boring!

 

I love entering a race confident I am going to be quite competitive, and certain there's going to be some overtaking action, each and every time I line up on the grid.

 

 

Problem is pub racers are going to ram everyone 'more' often with this feature ON in straight races.

 

And when racing with clean racers. The catch up is just a pain in the ass. Theres already enough of a struggle to keep slip stream from throwing you off track. Its even more annoying trying to hold slipstream while trying to slow down even more to avoid the guy being cursed by catch up.

 

Wheel to wheel action is only fun if its real. And in pubs... Wheel to wheel is just a ticket to pittsville.

[mo-seph]

Whether you approve of or like CATCHUP or not, I don't think many could say that it makes the races boring!

 

I love entering a race confident I am going to be quite competitive, and certain there's going to be some overtaking action, each and every time I line up on the grid.

 

personally, and its only my opinion, it doesnt make races boring as such, it does tighten the pack..

 

my problem with it is its like training wheels, racing is a matter of practice and skill.... so much like never taking the training wheels off your childs bike means they wont ever ride on two wheels and ejoy the extra speed and exhilaration , if you never progress to catchup off then you wont improve as a racer, losing only drives good racers to get better, to watch the guy in front and try and get better line sin corners and better timing for overtakes...

 

as a whole catchup means that the racing community isnt as good as it could be if we all conceded that losing is a reason to get better and practice... what catch up does isnt make races boring, it makes racers boring... in my opinion...

 

 

 

 

 

Whether you approve of or like CATCHUP or not, I don't think many could say that it makes the races boring!

 

I love entering a race confident I am going to be quite competitive, and certain there's going to be some overtaking action, each and every time I line up on the grid.

 

 

Problem is pub racers are going to ram everyone 'more' often with this feature ON in straight races.

 

And when racing with clean racers. The catch up is just a pain in the ass. Theres already enough of a struggle to keep slip stream from throwing you off track. Its even more annoying trying to hold slipstream while trying to slow down even more to avoid the guy being cursed by catch up.

 

Wheel to wheel action is only fun if its real. And in pubs... Wheel to wheel is just a ticket to pittsville.

 

 

 

pittsville wisconsin

 

or pittsville maryland ??

 

but a fair point well made

Edited February 28, 2014 by mo-seph

[Vooodu]

 

First off no its not. Its only fair to the people who get spun out by a** holes. And judging by your OP youre one of them. Why should someone get spun out or rammed off the road and then have to work harder to try to catch up on their own and still har no chance to win.

 

 

 

 

You do know if you avoided that asshole.. He will never catch back up.

 

From another stand point you can say.. This just gives 'assholes' more chances to be assholes.

[LuapYllier]

 

 

 

 

@Mo-seph

One correction. You mention above that catchup only slows the leader. That is not true. The farther behind you are the more speed your car is bonused. I tested this out one day accidentally by needing to answer the phone while in a race with crew. Same cars, similar skills and race lines, i was a lap down and blew the doors off all three of the other racers. I didnt make up the whole lap oobviously but my car was considerably faster than second and third place cars and way faster than first. I was able to overcome all three of them easily and get back on the lead lap. My lap time was a good 15 seconds better than first place. Its the reason I never use it anymore...it distorts the performance of the entire field.

this has always been a subjective point and i know weve debated it with many a forum user in the past...

 

but being faster than the cars in front of you doesnt denote your geting a speed boost, more that they are being slowed down (possibly proportionately)

 

the aspect i never understood with the back of the pack getting a speed boost is that theres a speed cap of 150mph online... it cant be breached (excepted tank/gate launches), even with supercars using GTAboosts,

 

ive even gone ot the point of asking fun (our resident GTA coding guru) to check the code but ive still not heard back... id love to tear apart the catchup code to know definitively what it does

 

personally i dont think it gives anyone a boost due to the speed cap, although i do concede that there does seem to be (albeit small) proportionate limitation on speed relative to your position in the race... but neither the speed boost, proportionate limitations change the fact that if your in the lead,,,, your screwed

 

i know we can both agree on that one

 

 

 

 

 

@Mo-seph

One correction. You mention above that catchup only slows the leader. That is not true. The farther behind you are the more speed your car is bonused. I tested this out one day accidentally by needing to answer the phone while in a race with crew. Same cars, similar skills and race lines, i was a lap down and blew the doors off all three of the other racers. I didnt make up the whole lap oobviously but my car was considerably faster than second and third place cars and way faster than first. I was able to overcome all three of them easily and get back on the lead lap. My lap time was a good 15 seconds better than first place. Its the reason I never use it anymore...it distorts the performance of the entire field.

 

I used to wonder about that too. And i think you're right.

 

 

Or.. The game keeps thinking the lead cars are passing each other, even tho they are not. Slowing them all down with catch up. Which in turn slows down the whole pack chasing the lead car.

 

 

I mean, i've been slowed down in 3rd and 2nd by catch up many times. Even the game thinks im in 1st with a pop up message., but im not.

 

this is a factor..

It is not a boost to top end. It is a boost just like the GTA boost only much lighter and more constant. It gives you stronger acceleration, allowing you to be at higher speeds than usual when you get to the next turn which is a large part of why people in the back often have a harder time with corners because they are travelling at a higher entry speed than they are normally accustomed to.

 

If it is a long straight then the guy a lap down at max speed will be no faster than second place. He will be faster than first because first is governed. However every turn will give the lapped guy an advantage and makeup time.

 

so your saying its not that it boosts speed (which is as i expect) but rather it increases acceleration.... this would make sense and i can see how that would give the impression of a speed boost, as its rare to have a consistent "top speed" run for any length of time, and the appearance of a "boost" would be increased acceleration coming out of a corner

 

 

not sure how acceleration would increase your entry speed to a corner... unless of course your still accelerating up to max speed and feeling the effect of increased acceleration compared to the guy in front.

 

 

bearing in mind the appearance of a "speed boost" is relative to the speed of those around you...

 

 

 

 

So yeah I guess I mistated this as it increases the accelleration not the speed. It is also why, since there is only one turn in the commute that requires slowing down, the catchup in this race does not result in say third place catching up to second but both third and second will gain on first because he is governed.

 

 

and that's exactly how a reasonable person admits to an oversight, as opposed to certain individuals earlier in this topic... so no argument ensures and a collective understanding is achieved...

 

now that wasnt so difficult was it

Lol I was avoiding pointing that out.

 

Yes the entry speed for corners that you reach prior to getting to top speed would be higher than your used to. You know we like to run more technical curvy tracks where top speed is rarely reached and we do a lot of racing so you tend to learn your entry and exit speeds by heart. When catchup is on and you are behind your whole race changes because your moving at higher speeds when you get to that next corner...assuming you got there prior to hitting max. The relativity comes from the passing environment and your reflex memory of the normal controls you apply for that turn.

[Yogogamer]

 

 

 

@Mo-seph

One correction. You mention above that catchup only slows the leader. That is not true. The farther behind you are the more speed your car is bonused. I tested this out one day accidentally by needing to answer the phone while in a race with crew. Same cars, similar skills and race lines, i was a lap down and blew the doors off all three of the other racers. I didnt make up the whole lap oobviously but my car was considerably faster than second and third place cars and way faster than first. I was able to overcome all three of them easily and get back on the lead lap. My lap time was a good 15 seconds better than first place. Its the reason I never use it anymore...it distorts the performance of the entire field.

this has always been a subjective point and i know weve debated it with many a forum user in the past...

 

but being faster than the cars in front of you doesnt denote your geting a speed boost, more that they are being slowed down (possibly proportionately)

 

the aspect i never understood with the back of the pack getting a speed boost is that theres a speed cap of 150mph online... it cant be breached (excepted tank/gate launches), even with supercars using GTAboosts,

 

ive even gone ot the point of asking fun (our resident GTA coding guru) to check the code but ive still not heard back... id love to tear apart the catchup code to know definitively what it does

 

personally i dont think it gives anyone a boost due to the speed cap, although i do concede that there does seem to be (albeit small) proportionate limitation on speed relative to your position in the race... but neither the speed boost, proportionate limitations change the fact that if your in the lead,,,, your screwed

 

i know we can both agree on that one

 

 

 

 

 

@Mo-seph

One correction. You mention above that catchup only slows the leader. That is not true. The farther behind you are the more speed your car is bonused. I tested this out one day accidentally by needing to answer the phone while in a race with crew. Same cars, similar skills and race lines, i was a lap down and blew the doors off all three of the other racers. I didnt make up the whole lap oobviously but my car was considerably faster than second and third place cars and way faster than first. I was able to overcome all three of them easily and get back on the lead lap. My lap time was a good 15 seconds better than first place. Its the reason I never use it anymore...it distorts the performance of the entire field.

 

I used to wonder about that too. And i think you're right.

 

 

Or.. The game keeps thinking the lead cars are passing each other, even tho they are not. Slowing them all down with catch up. Which in turn slows down the whole pack chasing the lead car.

 

 

I mean, i've been slowed down in 3rd and 2nd by catch up many times. Even the game thinks im in 1st with a pop up message., but im not.

 

this is a factor..

It is not a boost to top end. It is a boost just like the GTA boost only much lighter and more constant. It gives you stronger acceleration, allowing you to be at higher speeds than usual when you get to the next turn which is a large part of why people in the back often have a harder time with corners because they are travelling at a higher entry speed than they are normally accustomed to.

 

If it is a long straight then the guy a lap down at max speed will be no faster than second place. He will be faster than first because first is governed. However every turn will give the lapped guy an advantage and makeup time.

 

 

so your saying its not that it boosts speed (which is as i expect) but rather it increases acceleration.... this would make sense and i can see how that would give the impression of a speed boost, as its rare to have a consistent "top speed" run for any length of time, and the appearance of a "boost" would be increased acceleration coming out of a corner

 

 

not sure how acceleration would increase your entry speed to a corner... unless of course your still accelerating up to max speed and feeling the effect of increased acceleration compared to the guy in front.

 

 

bearing in mind the appearance of a "speed boost" is relative to the speed of those around you...

 

 

 

 

So yeah I guess I mistated this as it increases the accelleration not the speed. It is also why, since there is only one turn in the commute that requires slowing down, the catchup in this race does not result in say third place catching up to second but both third and second will gain on first because he is governed.

 

 

 

and that's exactly how a reasonable person admits to an oversight, as opposed to certain individuals earlier in this topic... so no argument ensures and a collective understanding is achieved...

 

now that wasnt so difficult was it

 

Are you so immature that you must continue to insult me? Even after I explained my position? Kind of an asshole move if you ask me

[Vooodu]

 

 

pittsville wisconsin

 

or pittsville maryland ??

 

but a fair point well made

 

 

 

lol... I never new those where real places.

Edited February 28, 2014 by Vooodu