Do YOU Support Cash Cards

[B3astGTS]

 

Here is where we clearly disagree and I have to argue that your view of what a grind is off base. Grinding is not just repetition, the time element is also essential. The time element is in fact how a large portion of cash shop/cash payment games work. You either pay the cash and accomplish something immediately or quicker, or you don't pay and spend a substantially longer amount of time and repetition to accomplish something instead.

 

In terms of the current state of GTA online, if I want to make million dollars I either:

A. Buy a Cash Card

B. Grind

1)Missions- which are by far and wide the most efficient way to get to 1 million dollars in terms of time/money earned to the point where it's by far the most reasonable time investment and the smallest one.

2)Every other job- where I could spend a substantially larger amount of time trying to make the 1 million dollars, to the point where if my goal is to get $1million dollars, it doesn't make sense to do these over the missions. Yes, I could still do them but at a much higher time investment (assuming that I have the extra time available). Let me reiterate, the substantial amount of extra time it would take to make the 1 million dollars doing things like parachuting instead of missions doesn't make them a realistic option.

 

In conclusion, the only realistic alternative to buying cash cards to make money quickly is to play missions.

 

 

You just reinforced my point right there. Cashcards are a shortcut, and the way to make money quickly is by grinding, instead of buying the cards. But those are not the only 2 ways to make money in online. They're just the two ways to make money the quickest.

 

There are 3 ways to earn money:

 

1. Cash Cards

 

2. Grinding

 

3. Playing the game normally

 

It's your choice how you want to play the game. You do not have to grind, which is why some players only choose to grind when they want something like a super car, ASAP.

 

This whole offshoot started as I replied to Odesza that the only easy way to make money outside of cash cards is to grind missions. I can spend say 3 hours making money to buy a car via missions or I can spend 15-20 hours doing other jobs/playing normally. There is not a choice when it comes to grinding missions being the only easy way to make money because it takes a much longer time investment to make money via other jobs. You can play the other jobs but you are not making money easy. EDIT: Also note, I'm not saying you always have to play to make money. The point is though if you find yourself in a situation where you want money, it's grind missions or utilize a cash card. Ideally if I want to make money I should be able to do it playing any job without it being counter productive with regards to time/efficiency of making said money.

 

 

I'll also reply to sangers in this post as it's late and I'm getting some sleep after this. Time involved in earning money can be important in some situations because items like cars are behind significant GTA$ pay walls. For example, getting a car quicker means you can start winning racing quicker which leads to quicker mod unlocks which leads to a quicker path to having the most competitive car for a race.

Edited February 28, 2014 by B3astGTS

[WBaker]

 

 

The ignore preferences are handy.

 

Retreating has always been a common war tactic when outnumbered and loosing the fight

 

Discretion is the better part of valor.

[Sangers]

I'll also reply to sangers in this post as it's late and I'm getting some sleep after this. Time involved in earning money can be important in some situations because items like cars are behind significant GTA$ pay walls. For example, getting a car quicker means you can start winning racing quicker which leads to quicker mod unlocks which leads to a quicker path to having the most competitive car for a race.

 

 

 

I don't do alot of racing compared to the rest of the game... correct me if I'm wrong - Every car in the class is available to you as well as your custom car.

 

Almost every race I have been in there has been bumping, crashing, spin outs that are the major deciding factor in the outcome of the race. Having a maxed out car over the provided same car, can't give you an overwhelming advantage that would prevent you from winning races.

Edited February 28, 2014 by Sangers

[iiGh0STt]

 

I am telling you, that you are fighting a losing battle. with both of those users. Do not waste any more effort re explaining yourself. Your point has been made, multiple times. Take the high road and ignore them. I promise you it is only those users who will relentlessly disagree with you, and continue to make you feel like you are going in circles back to the first point you ever made.

 

It might not be obvious, but the constant comments by them, especially odezsa, are an attempt to derail and lock the thread. even though they have won the battle for inserting dominance and presence, they will lose the war, as usual.

 

they have no idea what argument to even stand by anymore... other than the loosely based term "grinding missions" and what it really means in terms of playing legit.

 

just rise above man. seriously.

[Odesza]

 

 

The ignore preferences are handy.

Retreating has always been a common war tactic when outnumbered and loosing the fight

 

Discretion is the better part of valor.

 

That would be the case if the other party wasn't the one instigating petty childish arguments based off a naive illusion.

Edited February 28, 2014 by Odesza

[Biohazard Abyss]

This whole offshoot started as I replied to Odesza that the only easy way to make money outside of cash cards is to grind missions. I can spend say 3 hours making money to buy a car via missions or I can spend 15-20 hours doing other jobs/playing normally. There is not a choice when it comes to grinding missions being the only easy way to make money because it takes a much longer time investment to make money via other jobs. You can play the other jobs but you are not making money easy.

 

 

Yes there is a choice to grinding missions because you just said, it's the easy way to make money. You don't have to do it the easiest way, which is what Sangers and I are trying to say. Playing the other jobs may make you money slower, but it's more fun.

 

Discretion is the better part of valor.

 

 

Ehhh....that doesn't really apply to Ghost though. This is like the 25th time, and he's finally decided to throw in the towel, like he should have done a LONG time ago

 

Perfect example is the locked Billionaire's Thread, but I don't want to go off-topic, so I'll leave it at that.

[Odesza]

 

This whole offshoot started as I replied to Odesza that the only easy way to make money outside of cash cards is to grind missions. I can spend say 3 hours making money to buy a car via missions or I can spend 15-20 hours doing other jobs/playing normally. There is not a choice when it comes to grinding missions being the only easy way to make money because it takes a much longer time investment to make money via other jobs. You can play the other jobs but you are not making money easy.

 

 

Yes there is a choice to grinding missions because you just said, it's the easy way to make money. You don't have to do it the easiest way, which is what Sangers and I are trying to say. Playing the other jobs may make you money slower, but it's more fun.

 

People shouldn't be complaining even if they had to take the easy way regardless. It's a video game, there should be at least some kind of challenge or effort that goes into it, and yet Rockstar has practically made it so that both little time and little effort has to go into efficiently earning money and over time made it even easier to do so.

 

At this point I honestly wonder if some people just won't be happy unless they start the game up from day 1 at level 120 with 100bil.

Edited February 28, 2014 by Odesza

[Biohazard Abyss]

People shouldn't be complaining even if they had to take the easy way regardless. It's a video game, there should be at least some kind of challenge or effort that goes into it, and yet Rockstar has practically made it so that both little time and little effort has to go into efficiently earning money and over time made it even easier to do so.

 

At this point I honestly wonder if some people just won't be happy unless they start the game up from day 1 at level 120 with 100bil.

 

 

I can't imagine how they felt when Rockstar had nerfed the payouts and we didn't have access to every mission. Rockstar basically spoiled us this last update, which is why whenever you select Join Contact Mission it is usually RR or Coveted.

[Sangers]

 

 

This whole offshoot started as I replied to Odesza that the only easy way to make money outside of cash cards is to grind missions. I can spend say 3 hours making money to buy a car via missions or I can spend 15-20 hours doing other jobs/playing normally. There is not a choice when it comes to grinding missions being the only easy way to make money because it takes a much longer time investment to make money via other jobs. You can play the other jobs but you are not making money easy.

 

 

Yes there is a choice to grinding missions because you just said, it's the easy way to make money. You don't have to do it the easiest way, which is what Sangers and I are trying to say. Playing the other jobs may make you money slower, but it's more fun.

 

People shouldn't be complaining even if they had to take the easy way regardless. It's a video game, there should be at least some kind of challenge or effort that goes into it, and yet Rockstar has practically made it so that both little time and little effort has to go into efficiently earning money and over time made it even easier to do so.

 

At this point I honestly wonder if some people just won't be happy unless they start the game up from day 1 at level 120 with 100bil.

 

 

From what I can gather form reading the counter arguments is that...

 

Those who are against the cash card gaming model, don't like any players to have an unfair advantage. They are happy for everyone to start at level 1 with zero money and play properly but they don't like people using real world advantages in the game world.

 

For those of us arguing against, this is because we feel the advantage is not affecting us and our game.

 

What I have gathered from those who feel that cash card users affect their game is that their game style is different. They likely spend alot of their game time in free roam (the money pit). The ones who are unaffected, spend more time doing jobs.

 

Edit: There is no right or wrong way to play - so both sides are correct for their method of play.

Edited February 28, 2014 by Sangers

[iiGh0STt]

 

Ehhh....that doesn't really apply to Ghost though. This is like the 25th time, and he's finally decided to throw in the towel, like he should have done a LONG time ago

 

 

Perfect example is the locked Billionaire's Thread, but I don't want to go off-topic, so I'll leave it at that.

 

you mean the thread that I pointed out to a mod and why it should be locked? lol... you really have no clue do you... that is all.

 

pretty funny how I get a comment from a mod about things I learned in the military that have to do with pretty much everything you all ignore, and instantly there are 6 hidden comments right below...

Edited February 28, 2014 by iiGh0STt

[SAVILLAIN]

I love that the fact cash cards are in the game

 

problem children?

[iiGh0STt]

I wish I could make a big deal about ignoring people on the internet then not even be able to help myself to read their posts anyway.

 

livin' the life.

I say again.

 

pretty funny how I get a comment from a mod about things I learned in the military that have to do with pretty much everything you all ignore, and instantly there are 6 hidden comments right below...

 

so yea, i had to see what conspiracies were in those 6 comments. I think the mods have their idea of right and wrong. thank you.

[Odesza]

 

If they had like RP cards or something, that'd be a completely different story.

 

This.

 

Although on the topic of RP I really am surprised there haven't been any double experience events yet, it's usually a common card pulled out when companies have hiccups throughout early stages. Unless there have been and I'm just retarded.

Edited February 28, 2014 by Odesza

[Biohazard Abyss]

This.

 

Although on the topic of RP I really am surprised there haven't been any double experience events yet, it's usually a common card pulled out when companies have hiccups throughout early stages. Unless there have been and I'm just retarded.

 

 

No, there hasn't been, but I expect in the future since I believe Red Dead had double-XP weekends sometimes.

 

Only thing close is like the boat-racing during the Valentine's event, but only double cash was given.

[Coin]

 

This.

 

Although on the topic of RP I really am surprised there haven't been any double experience events yet, it's usually a common card pulled out when companies have hiccups throughout early stages. Unless there have been and I'm just retarded.

 

 

No, there hasn't been, but I expect in the future since I believe Red Dead had double-XP weekends sometimes.

 

Only thing close is like the boat-racing during the Valentine's event, but only double cash was given.

 

 

T'was triple payout. So so good (even if boat races suck).

 

 

^I feel like this appropriate somewhere in this topic, lol.

[E•MO•TION]

If they had like RP cards or something, that'd be a completely different story.

 

 

I would totally consider purchasing an RP Card. Cash is easy to obtain within the game (with time and effort), but it's useless if you haven't unlocked the goodies available at higher ranks.

Edited February 28, 2014 by 2281

[WTFThisIsntWii]

How many of these threads do we need?

[iiGh0STt]

people need to understand that cash alters the entire game before they understand how it alters their game.

they cannot even grasp that concept yet... you are way ahead of yourself.

let me put it this way, when you are broke in game, what can you do... now your buddy just bought a cash card... he was broke like you but now he can call merryweather, set a bounty on you, call lester, buy more ammo than you.... etc etc etc.. hell, if he is at the right level, he can buy a tank.

no one knows how it alters their game because they do not know where the money came from, or how it got there. all they know, that player is just a beast, who has money from being a beast. when DNS modders were rampant, everyone knew. And everyone hid from those players... do you think they hid because they were high level? no... because they had the ability to do anything with their money. they had power.

the hypocrites will tell you there is a category for people who buy cash cards, the truth is, you have no idea who buys them, what level they are, or how they use them, be it material purchases or the tactical advantage. all you know is they now have more money than you, which means they can do MANY more things than you.

stay on topic people. the poll is only for if you think cash cards should be there or not.

Edited February 28, 2014 by iiGh0STt

[gnad.1992]

 

 

Some people here are rockstar's secret agents.

 

They would eat a bullet for rockstar.

Yeah f*ck me for understanding that your parents aren't gonna pay for you as well as Rockstar's salary/server costs right?

my post wasn't for you

[wolfp212]

I don't personally support them (never will), but also can't fault anybody that has the spare cash and wants to use them, so I voted 'yes'.

[Rashers-]

I love that the fact cash cards are in the game

 

problem children?

I just purchased two lol, I ain't sitting here all day bored out of my head repeating the same missions over and over and over. £7.98 for 600k... Absolute rip-off, but it was just left over cash for the odd discount on PS store, I just thought, I'm not interested in any other games except Watch Dogs, can't wait for that. Also I had 1.2mil, so I had 1.9 to spend after purchasing the cards... I wanted to buy the Roosevelt, I just have and i still have 1.2million for the new vehicles Tuesday, worked out nicely!

[SAVILLAIN]

yeah.... watch dogs seems to be the very last game I will buy in along time

[PSplayer]

 

 

I support the idea of non pay to win based microtransactions that support the employees and developers of games I enjoy.

 

But keep in mind this poll will be skewed (regardless of the outcome) mostly because this section is inhabited by modders/glitchers who mostly are against the idea.

Right.

 

Because $1+ billion dollars isn't enough to support the employees and developers of the games you enjoy.

 

lmao. Someone else who has no idea how businesses actually work. They have been spending money to make this game for over 5 years. They are still spending money to maintain the game and to create new content. Paying someone to read your whiny emails. If online starts costing them more money to maintain than they are making the game will go to hell. There will be no new content. The servers will be awful, and the game will become unplayable. You may hate cash cards bc your a child that doesnt see the benefits, but you shouldnt be getting your ideas from other ignorant posts you have read

 

 

you are very funny

 

poor R*/TT..

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101387742

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?ticker=TTWO

 

 

- businesses will try anything to get more profit, if they get away with something they will push it to the limit, when something fails they either change the format and try again or move on to the next strategy

 

- not only the dev team but their help-desk service is fixed cost, that probably will peak around new releases but that might not even be the case (remember its not just GTA)

 

- also you do realise that they only need to maintain a server for user database with player progress -edit:and missions, and that we are hosting our own games ?

* although those are the only servers they dont even work half the time "cloud server unavailable" is a message i see way too much

 

- the releasing of "new free dlc" for games is a hyping product, do you also think that creating a texture, clothes, a car or mission is a huge investment ?

 

... i had a few more points to make ...pretty sure ill get the chance

Edited March 1, 2014 by PSplayer

[Mattyp1514]

I'd rather cashcards which you can opt to buy than pay to play or pay to unlock.

[Thr33X]

 

I'd rather cashcards which you can opt to buy than pay to play or pay to unlock.

The very moment I was typing something exactly to this point, you did all the work for me.

[Mattyp1514]

 

 

I'd rather cashcards which you can opt to buy than pay to play or pay to unlock.

The very moment I was typing something exactly to this point, you did all the work for me.

 

 

A lot of people I know feel this way. Plants vs Zombies was a terrific game. You pay $2 and you have everything you need but can unlock money if you want. PvZ2 came out, I downloaded it, but you can't get much past the first area without buying stuff. F that.

[lol232]

I don't care, R* just added them for the lazy people like every modern day game does.

They increased payouts, added payouts where you wouldn't get paid before a patch and many more things.

 

Just grind and grind, stop bitching.

 

I might buy one if I ever have extra PSN cash, just for the sake of spending money I have nothing to spend on.

[J32T3R]

Grind. Grind. GRIND.

 

This is all I hear from the 10% from the peanut gallery, this game is not suppose to be tedious and unappealing, which with every update they seem to make the game end up like this.

 

They need to look at why SA:MP survived this long and why it's still going strong.

[Thr33X]

 

 

 

I'd rather cashcards which you can opt to buy than pay to play or pay to unlock.

The very moment I was typing something exactly to this point, you did all the work for me.

 

 

A lot of people I know feel this way. Plants vs Zombies was a terrific game. You pay $2 and you have everything you need but can unlock money if you want. PvZ2 came out, I downloaded it, but you can't get much past the first area without buying stuff. F that.

 

APB:Reloaded's another example. On paper it would blow GTAO out of the water in terms of customization and concept alone, but you have to pay for better weapons and vehicles, and even still usage isn't permanent unless you pay more.

 

There are many other examples of microtransactions done wrong in gaming, but GTAO isn't one of them. No matter what anyone says though, they aren't going anywhere.

[Dostoe1]

For those against cash cards, I am curious, what methods would you implement in order to generate revenue to support the game in the future?