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Johnny is the most badass gta character ever

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J Cobra

Trevor is a cannibalistic, gas-huffing, tranny, alcoholic, meth head who cries at the feet of his sexually abusive mother. He's given inexplicable super-powers by drugs that somehow weaken other characters. He accuses others for being traitors and assholes when all he does is abuse and belittles his "friends". He's overbearingly hypocritical and is treated like a badass just because he was written as some savage who is an inexplicable one man army.

 

Johnny is smarter, more headstrong, more calculated, more friendly, and more consistent than Trevor is ever portrayed.

So in a why, Trevor's still more fun than some washed up biker? Besides all those points don't really show why he's overrated. Trevor is funny, and a joy to play with, Johnny wasn't. Johnny is something we've seen before, Trevor doesn't have that problem.

What makes Johnny overrated is this. When GTA IV the lost and the damned came out, you know damn well no one really cared about Johnny. But when Trevor killed him, he started to get love. That makes no sense.

 

Trevor is a cannibalistic, gas-huffing, tranny, alcoholic, meth head who cries at the feet of his sexually abusive mother. He's given inexplicable super-powers by drugs that somehow weaken other characters. He accuses others for being traitors and assholes when all he does is abuse and belittles his "friends". He's overbearingly hypocritical and is treated like a badass just because he was written as some savage who is an inexplicable one man army.

 

Johnny is smarter, more headstrong, more calculated, more friendly, and more consistent than Trevor is ever portrayed.

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Majestic81

Thats really not true. TLAD had so many fans considering it was a DLC. just havent been vocal about it til that happened in V.

 

And they're overrated because they dont take imagination to create at all. he is simply not a complex character like Johnny and Niko. some people prefer playing with characters they can relate to. unless you're a complete manic with no brains you cant connect with Trevor. fun sure, but its mostly meaningless fun heading in all directions. it gets tiresome quickly.

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Trevor is a cannibalistic, gas-huffing, tranny, alcoholic, meth head who cries at the feet of his sexually abusive mother. He's given inexplicable super-powers by drugs that somehow weaken other characters. He accuses others for being traitors and assholes when all he does is abuse and belittles his "friends". He's overbearingly hypocritical and is treated like a badass just because he was written as some savage who is an inexplicable one man army.

 

Johnny is smarter, more headstrong, more calculated, more friendly, and more consistent than Trevor is ever portrayed.

So in a why, Trevor's still more fun than some washed up biker? Besides all those points don't really show why he's overrated. Trevor is funny, and a joy to play with, Johnny wasn't. Johnny is something we've seen before, Trevor doesn't have that problem.

What makes Johnny overrated is this. When GTA IV the lost and the damned came out, you know damn well no one really cared about Johnny. But when Trevor killed him, he started to get love. That makes no sense.

 

I enjoyed playing as Johnny in TLAD much more than I did playing Trevor. Also you have no way of proving no one cared about him before GTA V. Even in 2009/2010 he still had his dedicated fan base.

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J Cobra

 

 

Trevor is a cannibalistic, gas-huffing, tranny, alcoholic, meth head who cries at the feet of his sexually abusive mother. He's given inexplicable super-powers by drugs that somehow weaken other characters. He accuses others for being traitors and assholes when all he does is abuse and belittles his "friends". He's overbearingly hypocritical and is treated like a badass just because he was written as some savage who is an inexplicable one man army.

 

Johnny is smarter, more headstrong, more calculated, more friendly, and more consistent than Trevor is ever portrayed.

 

So in a why, Trevor's still more fun than some washed up biker? Besides all those points don't really show why he's overrated. Trevor is funny, and a joy to play with, Johnny wasn't. Johnny is something we've seen before, Trevor doesn't have that problem.

What makes Johnny overrated is this. When GTA IV the lost and the damned came out, you know damn well no one really cared about Johnny. But when Trevor killed him, he started to get love. That makes no sense.

 

I enjoyed playing as Johnny in TLAD much more than I did playing Trevor. Also you have no way of proving no one cared about him before GTA V. Even in 2009/2010 he still had his dedicated fan base.

Yeah, probably a small unknown fanbase.

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SonOfLiberty

But a fan base none the less which contradicts your claim. I think you need to understand every one has different tastes and find different things enjoyable. I've always liked Johnny because despite the fact he goes through a lot of sh*t he's loyal to those around him. He reminds me of Niko in a lot of ways and the struggles he goes through.

 

IMO Trevor's saving grace is there's always Michael and Franklin to switch to. If he was GTA V's only protagonist I wouldn't have finished it. There's only so much yelling and over used sexual innuendos I can take before it gets irritating and to me that's Trevor in a nutshell. He's irritating and can only be taken in small doses.

 

Jonnny simply isn't as irritating to me at least and therefore a better and more enjoyable character to play as.

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J Cobra

Thats really not true. TLAD had so many fans considering it was a DLC. just havent been vocal about it til that happened in V.

 

And they're overrated because they dont take imagination to create at all. he is simply not a complex character like Johnny and Niko. some people prefer playing with characters they can relate to. unless you're a complete manic with no brains you cant connect with Trevor. fun sure, but its mostly meaningless fun heading in all directions. it gets tiresome quickly.

What is so interesting about Johnny? I just don't get it. And what's so wrong with putting imagination into a character. Here where you're wrong, pal. You said you can't relate to any GTA protagonist? That's not true. I know many people that can relate to Franklin. Such as myself. What hood kid's dream wouldn't be to make out of the hood, break from gang violence and make it? Or you think retired gangsters ora Hollywood dad with a spoiled family are also unrelatable? Listen to yourself. As for Trevor. You're right. I can't think, there's not one person, who can relate to him. But relativity

, doesn't show who's better.

Thats really not true. TLAD had so many fans considering it was a DLC. just havent been vocal about it til that happened in V.

 

And they're overrated because they dont take imagination to create at all. he is simply not a complex character like Johnny and Niko. some people prefer playing with characters they can relate to. unless you're a complete manic with no brains you cant connect with Trevor. fun sure, but its mostly meaningless fun heading in all directions. it gets tiresome quickly.

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Drunken Cowboy

 

 

Yeah, probably a small unknown fanbase.

 

"Probably"... not a good counter-argument word.

And he's bad because he doesn't have an army of mindless vapid c*nts behind him? Are you gonna tell me Pewdiepie is a good Youtuber?

 

 

What is so interesting about Johnny? I just don't get it. And what's so wrong with putting imagination into a character.

 

 

We've kept shooting sh*t forward. It's your choice to either accept or decline the answers, not just keep asking because you don't like that our answers are well-developed.

 

 

You said you can't relate to any GTA protagonist?

 

 

No he didn't.

 

 

 

That's not true. I know many people that can relate to Franklin. Such as myself. What hood kid's dream wouldn't be to make out of the hood, break from gang violence and make it?

 

Well Niko actually went from doing small jobs to larger jobs, all the while dealing with family, friends, and emotional tribulations. Franklin got rich and literally out of the hood after his first job yet continued to whine. Are you really a "hood" kid, bud?

 

As for Trevor. You're right. I can't think, there's not one person, who can relate to him. But relativity
, doesn't show who's better.

 

 

Wait, so Franklin and Michael are good characters because people can (arguably) relate to them, but Trevor's a good character because you don't relate to him?

 

I'm sure there are plenty of one-track-minded twelve-year-olds in the V section who are happy to hop on Trevor's donger with no comprehensive explanation as to why he's a good character. If you're going to argue for him and against Klebitz in the TLaD section, bring some better ammunition.

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Ducard

I'm sure there are plenty of one-track-minded twelve-year-olds in the V section blah blah

I am 14 and Niko and Johnny are my top 2 protagonists in the series.

 

Maybe, you should come up with better arguments than just "Hurr durr 12 year olds suck, stupid generation, everyone from that age group is stupid". I already reported you once, I am not sure if action was taken but please stop saying that every 12-14 year old is annoying. That's like saying the GTA fanbase is bad because of some annoying fans.

 

On-topic:

 

I liked Johnny a lot. He's my second favorite protagonist in the series. I liked his dark but funny humor and his relationship with Jim, Terry and Clay (Especially Jim) was really good. Overall, a very well written character. Also, his hexer rocks.

 

I actually liked all of the IV protagonists, Luis included. I thought Rockstar did a good job on them.

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Drunken Cowboy

You didn't like me teasing a certain group so you reported me over the fact you were offended?

 

It's the internet and a video game forum. You should expect being offended. Grow up. Nothing happened with that report anyway.

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Gummy 

Johnny is badass and chaotic, while still retaining his humanity, That's what I like about him.

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American Viking

 

I'm sure there are plenty of one-track-minded twelve-year-olds in the V section blah blah

I am 14 and Niko and Johnny are my top 2 protagonists in the series.

 

Maybe, you should come up with better arguments than just "Hurr durr 12 year olds suck, stupid generation, everyone from that age group is stupid". I already reported you once, I am not sure if action was taken but please stop saying that every 12-14 year old is annoying. That's like saying the GTA fanbase is bad because of some annoying fans.

 

On-topic:

 

I liked Johnny a lot. He's my second favorite protagonist in the series. I liked his dark but funny humor and his relationship with Jim, Terry and Clay (Especially Jim) was really good. Overall, a very well written character. Also, his hexer rocks.

 

I actually liked all of the IV protagonists, Luis included. I thought Rockstar did a good job on them.

 

Well sir, not to derail this thread, but reporting people will only hurt your reputation on the forum. If you have an issue, take it to PM like a man and work it out. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.

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Ducard

The post in question is this:

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/766288-who-else-wants-a-more-serious-gta-for-vi/page-2?do=findComment&comment=1066949415

 

Calling everyone from my age group.'fa**ots' is certainly a fine way to have a debate.

 

Also, it's funny how Drunken Cowboy likes to hate on 12 year olds while over reacting like a 12 year old himself.

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American Viking

The post in question is this:

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/766288-who-else-wants-a-more-serious-gta-for-vi/page-2?do=findComment&comment=1066949415

 

Calling everyone from my age group.'fa**ots' is certainly a fine way to have a debate.

 

Also, it's funny how Drunken Cowboy likes to hate on 12 year olds while over reacting like a 12 year old himself.

There is a lot of truth to what he was saying. Instead of arguing, prove you're the exception.

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SonOfLiberty

Maybe Drunk could use better words, but I don't see how trying to start an argument with him helps anything.

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Majestic81

:blink: Go away Ducard.. dont start an argument like that here.

 

 

Thats really not true. TLAD had so many fans considering it was a DLC. just havent been vocal about it til that happened in V.

And they're overrated because they dont take imagination to create at all. he is simply not a complex character like Johnny and Niko. some people prefer playing with characters they can relate to. unless you're a complete manic with no brains you cant connect with Trevor. fun sure, but its mostly meaningless fun heading in all directions. it gets tiresome quickly.

What is so interesting about Johnny? I just don't get it. And what's so wrong with putting imagination into a character. Here where you're wrong, pal. You said you can't relate to any GTA protagonist? That's not true. I know many people that can relate to Franklin. Such as myself. What hood kid's dream wouldn't be to make out of the hood, break from gang violence and make it? Or you think retired gangsters ora Hollywood dad with a spoiled family are also unrelatable? Listen to yourself. As for Trevor. You're right. I can't think, there's not one person, who can relate to him. But relativity
, doesn't show who's better.

Thats really not true. TLAD had so many fans considering it was a DLC. just havent been vocal about it til that happened in V.

And they're overrated because they dont take imagination to create at all. he is simply not a complex character like Johnny and Niko. some people prefer playing with characters they can relate to. unless you're a complete manic with no brains you cant connect with Trevor. fun sure, but its mostly meaningless fun heading in all directions. it gets tiresome quickly.


Sorry. I did it, again.

 

You're really not reading my posts are you? i never said there is something wrong with imagination. i clearly said the exact opposite.

 

And i didnt mention other GTA characters nor did i mention Franklin. i was specifically talking about Trevor.

 

Me and others here, already stated what we liked about Johnny many times BTW.

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Ducard

Alright, let's just agree to disagree.

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Drunken Cowboy

Fair enough. People aren't worth calling out...

Unless their name is Maro_Hannover.

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Rebel Yell

Well... among the GTA protagonists I've considered "badass", every one of them had their fair share of being a badass in unique ways. Johnny is the "punkish" badass of the GTA series, IMO. It was fun to play with him, additionally stepping in his shoes most distinctively for his biker lifestyle. Boy, with that leather jacket on me, it was making me feel badass at its as I take rides with his ice cool Hexer. To extend my point, Johnny had a disgrace for government and all the facilities it has its hooks on (the police department and the army at most), he's somehow opposite to the authority but in a balanced way, he enjoys breaking havoc for it but not in an inconsistent way. Besides his political view, Johnny keeps the same style for intra-gang issues, we mostly see him not taking sh*t from Billy, he has the balls to stand up to him. Being a part of a biker community who has learned to give a middlefinger to the society and authority if necessary has cooked Johnny and made him the punk, "not giving a F", struggling badass he is (more likely, was). It's a shame that a badass like him got his head stomped in and his brains bashed in, so a meth-smoking, aimless psychopath could take all the glory.

 

About Trevor... as the argument has come to that point... sure, he has some "badass" moments but as a whole character, I wouldn't consider him a badass. You can grow a like towards him if you like some breaking chaos type (it's okay if you ask me) at first, but getting deeper into his character breaks all these points if you get to know him as a hypocritical, non-reasonable, "complaining-about-everything" bastard. Yeah... he does some crazy stuff but when you look at it, he does them with almost no point, which makes him a inconsistent sociopath, the more funny is that he claims he DOES have points. Another point... gotta admit some of his conflicts with Michael were touching and mostly comic relief that sometimes need to be attached a little into story, but the vibe loses when he keeps it too long, it makes him to be seen like a baby who cries over his sweet candy taken. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to get Mr.Philips under the ground by saying all these about him and IMO, Trevor would have been one of the greatest protagonists in the series if there were not so deep scratches on his personality. I can easily buy his craziness as a good point used for the construction of his characters (I'm a great fan of Joe Pesci's loose cannon type characters, for God's sake) but his craziness has nothing to do with some justifiable reason or ambition, he just consistently becomes a psycho with a big "comic relief" attitude.

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TheMostKnowledgable

I disagree with the topic.

 

Niko is more badass than Johnny, and Johnny knows it and says in the diamond shootout at the museum when leaving "That is one crazy mofo and I would not want him coming after me" - he's scared of Niko, and he should be.

 

And Tommy Vercetti wants a word. :p

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Stoney0503

Niko is more badass than Johnny, and Johnny knows it and says in the diamond shootout at the museum when leaving "That is one crazy mofo and I would not want him coming after me" - he's scared of Niko, and he should be.

 

Also, in Niko's perspective of that mission, he also says he doesn't want to mess with "That biker", so I guess they're both scared of each other :p

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TheMostKnowledgable

That's true! Touche.

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PhillBellic

Sorry, that position goes to my Cousin Niko. However, Johnny is a very close second.

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Rebel Yell

Niko is more badass than Johnny, and Johnny knows it and says in the diamond shootout at the museum when leaving "That is one crazy mofo and I would not want him coming after me" - he's scared of Niko, and he should be.

That line always cracked me up. :lol:

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J Cobra

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, probably a small unknown fanbase.

 

"Probably"... not a good counter-argument word.

And he's bad because he doesn't have an army of mindless vapid c*nts behind him? Are you gonna tell me Pewdiepie is a good Youtuber?

 

 

 

What is so interesting about Johnny? I just don't get it. And what's so wrong with putting imagination into a character.

 

We've kept shooting sh*t forward. It's your choice to either accept or decline the answers, not just keep asking because you don't like that our answers are well-developed.

 

 

 

You said you can't relate to any GTA protagonist?

 

No he didn't.

 

 

That's not true. I know many people that can relate to Franklin. Such as myself. What hood kid's dream wouldn't be to make out of the hood, break from gang violence and make it?

Well Niko actually went from doing small jobs to larger jobs, all the while dealing with family, friends, and emotional tribulations. Franklin got rich and literally out of the hood after his first job yet continued to whine. Are you really a "hood" kid, bud?

 

As for Trevor. You're right. I can't think, there's not one person, who can relate to him. But relativity

, doesn't show who's better.

 

Wait, so Franklin and Michael are good characters because people can (arguably) relate to them, but Trevor's a good character because you don't relate to him?

 

I'm sure there are plenty of one-track-minded twelve-year-olds in the V section who are happy to hop on Trevor's donger with no comprehensive explanation as to why he's a good character. If you're going to argue for him and against Klebitz in the TLaD section, bring some better ammunition.

Looks I hit a nerve.

-Alright, I was just saying that because I was pissed. He has a great fanbase.

-The only thing presented you was his character elements. So quit it with the arrogant attitude, because there's no reason for you to be cocky.

-In a way he did.

- Franklin did small while dealing with his crazy friends, and only family members. He just wanted more. Who wouldn't want that? Of course he was complaining. Wouldn't you complain, if you had to be the FIB's bitch? I think the question is, have ever spoken to someone from the hood before?

-No. I was telling him Michael and Franklin were relatable characters. I said that made them characters.

-12 year olds? Typical. Says there's mostly kids playing and defending GTA V, when a person gets pissed off. The reason why Trevor is better because he's funny, unpredictable, not to be messed with, his special ability is awesome, you do nearly anything you want with him, and he could care less about anything. If you're going to defend this actually keep calm, and don't rage.

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Chad Warden

Franklin didn't do anything small time. He dealed drugs before the game began, and one of the first missions for him is a gang shootout. Niko had to break a shop's window, shake down an old man who owned a laundromat, etc. Trevor is very predictable, compared to Johnny. Johnny was either mad as hell and willing to tear sh*t up, or business oriented and passive. Trevor was always doing the crazy option in his life and it never stopped. Ever.

 

Also, his special ability is sh*t. If I wanted to play as a super hero character I'd pop in Prototype, Infamous. Something like that.

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I'll be honest here, the first time I played TLaD I didn't think there was that much intriguing about Johnny and the gang. Then, GTA V was released and seeing what happened to Johnny, made me go back and re-evaluate TLaD. I'm glad I did. Not only did I fall in great appreciation and respect for the DLC, it also solidified Trevor to my sh*tlist. To me, TLaD is so much more than it's given credit for. It's unfortunate that TBoGT overshadows it with it's fast cars, glitz, and glamour that seems to appeal more to people. In my book, TLaD is better and Johnny is such a strong character that he could have carried a full game. I won't insult you no further with this. I just wanted to weigh in my opinion to people who find no redeemable qualities in TLaD. If people want to like Trevor more than that's fine because everyone is entitled to their opinions and perceptions, but from mine, Trevor isn't fit to lace John Boy's boots.

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Majestic81

 

 

 

 

Yeah, probably a small unknown fanbase.

 

"Probably"... not a good counter-argument word.

And he's bad because he doesn't have an army of mindless vapid c*nts behind him? Are you gonna tell me Pewdiepie is a good Youtuber?

 

 

 

What is so interesting about Johnny? I just don't get it. And what's so wrong with putting imagination into a character.

 

We've kept shooting sh*t forward. It's your choice to either accept or decline the answers, not just keep asking because you don't like that our answers are well-developed.

 

 

 

You said you can't relate to any GTA protagonist?

 

No he didn't.

 

 

That's not true. I know many people that can relate to Franklin. Such as myself. What hood kid's dream wouldn't be to make out of the hood, break from gang violence and make it?

Well Niko actually went from doing small jobs to larger jobs, all the while dealing with family, friends, and emotional tribulations. Franklin got rich and literally out of the hood after his first job yet continued to whine. Are you really a "hood" kid, bud?

 

As for Trevor. You're right. I can't think, there's not one person, who can relate to him. But relativity

, doesn't show who's better.

 

Wait, so Franklin and Michael are good characters because people can (arguably) relate to them, but Trevor's a good character because you don't relate to him?

 

I'm sure there are plenty of one-track-minded twelve-year-olds in the V section who are happy to hop on Trevor's donger with no comprehensive explanation as to why he's a good character. If you're going to argue for him and against Klebitz in the TLaD section, bring some better ammunition.

-In a way he did.

 

 

 

Uhh..? No i did not.

 

Trevor is predictable though. i mean he's crazy, his personality isnt all that complicated. you can take a guess about what he'll do at any situation. its either, f*ck stuff up or kill everyone in a mindless rage.

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Stoney0503

Also, his special ability is sh*t.

If it's in GTA it's terrible but if its in other games it's fine? wat.

If Johnny or Niko had the ability then most people would of loved it.

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Also, his special ability is sh*t.

If it's in GTA it's terrible but if its in other games it's fine? wat.

If Johnny or Niko had the ability then most people would of loved it.

 

Wrong. GTA has always been a bit unrealistic, but GTA IV was a step in a much more realistic direction...and GTA V was a step back from that o so good realism. It is not befitting of a GTA protag to have superpowers. John Marston in RDR was okay because that game, although similar, does not have the history of GTA.

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Stoney0503

 

 

Also, his special ability is sh*t.

If it's in GTA it's terrible but if its in other games it's fine? wat.

If Johnny or Niko had the ability then most people would of loved it.

 

Wrong. GTA has always been a bit unrealistic, but GTA IV was a step in a much more realistic direction...and GTA V was a step back from that o so good realism. It is not befitting of a GTA protag to have superpowers. John Marston in RDR was okay because that game, although similar, does not have the history of GTA.

 

GTA's "history" isn't just IV dumbass, GTA was ALWAYS unrealistic up untill IV, just look at GTA 1 and GTA2 where there were kinds of different abilities that made you speed up in cars (Franklin, anyone?), make you invincible (oh hey isn't that like Trevors?), and weapons were scattered all around the map in boxes crash bandicoot styled.

 

Then we go onto GTA III, the series was still unrealistic, you can survive huge drops, guns sounded weird, pills that slow down time (Hah, just like Micheals ability), few games later we have SA, which is probably the most unrealistic in the series, having you steal jetpacks, impossible tasks such as jump out a flying plane onto another plane perfectly and stealing a military jet for no reason.

 

"John Marston in RDR was okay because that game, although similar, does not have the history of GTA."

dumbest f*cking excuse I've ever heard when complaining about V's abilities, you're being so obviously bias that it annoys me and history is irrelevent, it's still made by R*.
IV was realistic because R* wanted to something fresh, many people didn't like the realism and some people found it absolutley f*cking boring (trust me I know a lot of people outside of GTAF who think this), so they went back to their roots while also offering a new experience, because people in this community don't like change at all and think the story of a game is more important than gameplay.
The abilties were there for missions, because the enemies and cops in this game can deal a lot of damage and have extreme accuracy unlike IV where everyone was easy to kill and didn't do any threatning damage like V.
I have a feeling GTA IV was your first GTA, GTA IV wasn't the first GTA, and GTA 1 and 2, as old as they are, are still GTA games and GTA2 holds up extremely well.

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