TheGodDamnMaster Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 https://thedaywefightback.org/ Apparently there's some movement that's been going viral (maybe it has been for a while, but I've only just noticed today) called "The Day We Fight Back", a collective action to work together to curtail the surveillance power of the NSA through the USA Freedom Act and FISFA Improvements Act. Now, like I've said, I only just learned about this today so I don't know the full extent of what they're advocating, but it seems to be for a good cause. What are your thoughts on the situation? Should Edward Snowden be hailed as a hero, a traitor, or just a nobody? Personally, I've never been particularly bothered by the NSA surveillance sh*t because I'm not a criminal and don't do anything outrageous online or by phone. na89340qv0n34b09q340 1 Intel Core i9-9900k | Seasonic FOCUS Plus 750W | 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 2666MHzMSI GeForce RTX2070 | WD Blue 1TB HDD | Samsung 950 PRO M.2 512GBAntec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower | MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon AC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacymist Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I never really cared about being spied on. So the NSA knows I like posting on forums and looking at big bouncy boobs and jiggly booty gifs. Like they don't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 If the NSA has any tabs on me, they're gonna be quite dissapointed unless they outlawed train obsessions not too long ago. SonofYankton and 018361 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunner71 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 If the NSA has any tabs on me, they're gonna be quite dissapointed unless they outlawed train obsessions not too long ago. The guy in charge of spying you has already put you and your trains in the "to kill" list I<3GTAV, SonofYankton, universetwisters and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. House Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Personally, I've never been particularly bothered by the NSA surveillance sh*t because I'm not a criminal and don't do anything outrageous online or by phone. That isn't really the point. Anyway this is meaningless. If you think the government is going to cease surveillance programs because some University students made up some website and a bunch of youtube videos, then you're severely overestimating the power of such a group. Particularly when a large portion of the US doesn't think it's actually a problem in the first place Lil ski and WBaker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Anyway this is meaningless. If you think the government is going to cease surveillance programs because some University students made up some website and a bunch of youtube videos, then you're severely overestimating the power of such a group. Particularly when a large portion of the US doesn't think it's actually a problem in the first place This, basically. The net result is a few ignorant people feeling better for changing their avatar on some websites, and a few kids getting jail terms for DDoSing government websites. AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.65GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16 EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN/Heatkiller Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | EVGA GeForce RTX2080 XC @2055MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Brown Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) "Good cause" is debatable depending on who you ask. You ask me, it is. Slightly OT: Anyone else bothered by the noticeable eye movement (reading a prompter) by the people on camera? Not just on this video, but any? I'm looking at you, John Cusack. Personally, I've never been particularly bothered by the NSA surveillance sh*t because I'm not a criminal and don't do anything outrageous online or by phone. That isn't really the point. Anyway this is meaningless. If you think the government is going to cease surveillance programs because some University students made up some website and a bunch of youtube videos, then you're severely overestimating the power of such a group. Particularly when a large portion of the US doesn't think it's actually a problem in the first place They're trying to gather support for a bill, not just make up a website and demand congress to draft a brand new law. The "mail your legislator" section is to overload them with requests. Since they're our representatives they're supposed to, you know, represent us. Edited February 11, 2014 by Vlynor Mince and I<3GTAV 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodDamnMaster Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share Posted February 11, 2014 Personally, I've never been particularly bothered by the NSA surveillance sh*t because I'm not a criminal and don't do anything outrageous online or by phone. That isn't really the point. Anyway this is meaningless. If you think the government is going to cease surveillance programs because some University students made up some website and a bunch of youtube videos, then you're severely overestimating the power of such a group. Particularly when a large portion of the US doesn't think it's actually a problem in the first place I agree, they'll just do what they want, it's not like anyone's breathing down their necks anyway. Intel Core i9-9900k | Seasonic FOCUS Plus 750W | 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 2666MHzMSI GeForce RTX2070 | WD Blue 1TB HDD | Samsung 950 PRO M.2 512GBAntec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower | MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon AC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoopy Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I dont know much about this NSA case , but i thought to myself what if this Edward guy was actually a double-agent and all this NSA propaganda was planned from the beginning ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodDamnMaster Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share Posted February 11, 2014 I dont know much about this NSA case , but i thought to myself what if this Edward guy was actually a double-agent and all this NSA propaganda was planned from the beginning ... But what would be the point of that? Intel Core i9-9900k | Seasonic FOCUS Plus 750W | 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 2666MHzMSI GeForce RTX2070 | WD Blue 1TB HDD | Samsung 950 PRO M.2 512GBAntec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower | MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon AC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshield Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Personally, I've never been particularly bothered by the NSA surveillance sh*t because I'm not a criminal and don't do anything outrageous online or by phone. "If you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about." This line of thinking is dangerous and only enforces the likelyhood of a police state. 018361, na89340qv0n34b09q340, Mince and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. House Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) "Good cause" is debatable depending on who you ask. You ask me, it is. Slightly OT: Anyone else bothered by the noticeable eye movement (reading a prompter) by the people on camera? Not just on this video, but any? I'm looking at you, John Cusack. Yeah it bothers me too, but most people aren't capable of making some interesting diatribe in front of the camera, let alone are able to do it without weird pauses,inconsistencies and an overall unpleasant thing to listen to for the viewer. I suppose they could put in the effort to memorize the spiel instead of reading it off of a prompter though. Particularly in something like this, which was a series of soundbites by different people. I dont know much about this NSA case , but i thought to myself what if this Edward guy was actually a double-agent and all this NSA propaganda was planned from the beginning ... Oh christ not another conspiracy theory. And this was going so well. Edited February 11, 2014 by Nale Dixon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoopy Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I dont know much about this NSA case , but i thought to myself what if this Edward guy was actually a double-agent and all this NSA propaganda was planned from the beginning ... But what would be the point of that? To spy on Russia maybe ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodDamnMaster Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share Posted February 11, 2014 Personally, I've never been particularly bothered by the NSA surveillance sh*t because I'm not a criminal and don't do anything outrageous online or by phone. "If you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about." This line of thinking is dangerous and only enforces the likelyhood of a police state. Why do people believe that we're headed towards a police state? Although we've made some sacrifices in the last 10+ years, we still have a ridiculous amount of liberty here in the US. We still have our freedom of press, right to peacefully assemble and protest, can enter and leave the country relatively easy, have access to a whole new world with the internet, and so much more. Tacymist 1 Intel Core i9-9900k | Seasonic FOCUS Plus 750W | 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 2666MHzMSI GeForce RTX2070 | WD Blue 1TB HDD | Samsung 950 PRO M.2 512GBAntec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower | MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon AC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Brown Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I dont know much about this NSA case , but i thought to myself what if this Edward guy was actually a double-agent and all this NSA propaganda was planned from the beginning ... But what would be the point of that? To spy on Russia maybe ? That wouldn't make sense. Edward Snowden is considered a whistleblower. The Russian Federation would have to be incredibly stupid to entrust him with any non-public information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. House Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) Personally, I've never been particularly bothered by the NSA surveillance sh*t because I'm not a criminal and don't do anything outrageous online or by phone. "If you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about." This line of thinking is dangerous and only enforces the likelyhood of a police state. Why do people believe that we're headed towards a police state? Although we've made some sacrifices in the last 10+ years, we still have a ridiculous amount of liberty here in the US. We still have our freedom of press, right to peacefully assemble and protest, can enter and leave the country relatively easy, have access to a whole new world with the internet, and so much more. He didn't say that, he said such complacency paves the way for a police state. I agree with him. This argument is much like the 'we have it so much better than others why should we complain' or the 'DON'T LIKE IT GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY' argument. It's insulting. Regardless of whether we still have large freedoms, there shouldn't be acceptance of it just because it's worse elsewhere. Also I find it ironic that so many people who ardently defend these crackdowns on civil liberties are the guys who think the founding fathers were just swell. People like Benjamin Franklin. ^ that isn't the actual quote, but the other pictures looked ugly. It pretty much says the same thing. Edited February 11, 2014 by Nale Dixon Moth and na89340qv0n34b09q340 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodDamnMaster Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share Posted February 11, 2014 Personally, I've never been particularly bothered by the NSA surveillance sh*t because I'm not a criminal and don't do anything outrageous online or by phone. "If you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about." This line of thinking is dangerous and only enforces the likelyhood of a police state. Why do people believe that we're headed towards a police state? Although we've made some sacrifices in the last 10+ years, we still have a ridiculous amount of liberty here in the US. We still have our freedom of press, right to peacefully assemble and protest, can enter and leave the country relatively easy, have access to a whole new world with the internet, and so much more. He didn't say that, he said such complacency paves the way for a police state. I agree with him. This argument is much like the 'we have it so much better than others why should we complain' or the 'DON'T LIKE IT GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY' argument. It's insulting. Regardless of whether we still have large freedoms, there shouldn't be acceptance of it just because it's worse elsewhere. Also I find it ironic that so many people who ardently defend these crackdowns on civil liberties are the guys who think the founding fathers were just swell. People like Benjamin Franklin. ^ that isn't the actual quote, but the other pictures looked ugly. It pretty much says the same thing. I'm not one of those "We're the best country" people, I hate them and once got into a bitter argument with some old acquaintances about that sh*t. I'm just counting my blessings. I don't worship the founders like gods either, I wasn't fond that most of them were slave owners. Intel Core i9-9900k | Seasonic FOCUS Plus 750W | 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 2666MHzMSI GeForce RTX2070 | WD Blue 1TB HDD | Samsung 950 PRO M.2 512GBAntec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower | MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon AC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. House Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Personally, I've never been particularly bothered by the NSA surveillance sh*t because I'm not a criminal and don't do anything outrageous online or by phone. "If you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about." This line of thinking is dangerous and only enforces the likelyhood of a police state. Why do people believe that we're headed towards a police state? Although we've made some sacrifices in the last 10+ years, we still have a ridiculous amount of liberty here in the US. We still have our freedom of press, right to peacefully assemble and protest, can enter and leave the country relatively easy, have access to a whole new world with the internet, and so much more. He didn't say that, he said such complacency paves the way for a police state. I agree with him. This argument is much like the 'we have it so much better than others why should we complain' or the 'DON'T LIKE IT GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY' argument. It's insulting. Regardless of whether we still have large freedoms, there shouldn't be acceptance of it just because it's worse elsewhere. Also I find it ironic that so many people who ardently defend these crackdowns on civil liberties are the guys who think the founding fathers were just swell. People like Benjamin Franklin. ^ that isn't the actual quote, but the other pictures looked ugly. It pretty much says the same thing. I'm not one of those "We're the best country" people, I hate them and once got into a bitter argument with some old acquaintances about that sh*t. I'm just counting my blessings. I don't worship the founders like gods either, I wasn't fond that most of them were slave owners. Yeah I know. I was going to clarify that I wasn't directing most of that at you, but clearly the whole extra sentence was too much effort for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey. Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Kony all over again. All the build up and hype with no action or pay off. TheGodDamnMaster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtamann123 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) I dont give a sh*t if the NSA spies on me. All theor going to see me doing is viewing pornography and visiting video game related websites and f*cking around on facebook and thats pretty much it. I couldn't care less if the government knows what kind of porn I like or what video games I consider particularly entertaining. Edited February 12, 2014 by gtamann123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. House Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I dont give a sh*t if the NSA spies on me. All theor going to see me doing is viewing pornography and visiting video game related websites and f*cking around on facebook and thats pretty much it. I couldn't care less if the government knows what kind of porn I like or what video games I consider particularly entertaining. Yeah good thing that the porn you like and the video games you play aren't illegal. I'm sure there will never be a time when they will be, right? ....Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregx Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 My gosh, this fat guy is boring same than his trash server, I hope dies coming soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acehilm Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 What bothers me is the NSA denies they keep all this data. With all the whistleblowers, why hide it? Why hide the fact that they are doing it? Do they think what they are doing is bad? Is that why they continue to cover it up? If they were honest about it, I think that'd make a lot of people happy, on the same scale of people disagreeing with it. But at least if they did that, the 'anti-NSA' protestors couldn't use the old, "Why are they hiding it?" but that's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I f*cking hate than Ben Franklin quote. It's all well and good if you're some kind of pie-in-the-sky Ayn Rand worshipper but in actuality it's just factually wrong. AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.65GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16 EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN/Heatkiller Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | EVGA GeForce RTX2080 XC @2055MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMaster Smith Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Why do people believe that we're headed towards a police state? Militarization of police, erosion of rights, martial law being used and the like Although we've made some sacrifices in the last 10+ years, we still have a ridiculous amount of liberty here in the US. We still have our freedom of press That's funny cause I was just reading an article on this very topic earlier today, America has dropped 13 spots in rank of global freedom of press, now sitting at #46 out of 180. Internet giants such as Google constantly receive requests to remove search results such as videos and news articles from police departments, courts and government agencies in name of defamation.. Internet in America is definitely censored. "In the last half of 2011, U.S. agencies asked Google to remove 6,192 individual pieces of content from its search results, blog posts or archives of online videos, according to the report. That's up 718% compared with the 757 such items that U.S. agencies asked Google to remove in the six months prior." http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/19/google-transparency-report-political-content http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/18/tech/web/google-transparency-report/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-stearns/us-plummets-in-global-pre_b_4770182.html?utm_hp_ref=media&ir=Media http://rsf.org/index2014/en-index2014.php can enter and leave the country relatively easy TSA comes to mind when you say this.. you can barely leave your state by plane without being groped and fully body scanned in nude lol. I never really cared about being spied on. So the NSA knows I like posting on forums and looking at big bouncy boobs and jiggly booty gifs. Like they don't... I'll just leave this here for ya- AMENDMENT IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunWrath Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) Whether or not it's legally said that 'NSA' can't watch or surveil doesn't mean sh*t. They will continue to keep tabs. 1. Don't go about posting/texting/saying you're going to bomb schools, houses or government facilities. 2. Don't go about posting/texting/saying that you're going to kill the President 3. Masturbate with the covers over you And you should be okay. Edited February 12, 2014 by GunWrath sivispacem and WBaker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodDamnMaster Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) Edward Snowden: hero or traitor? Did anything he leak have a negative impact on the lives of people? Edited February 12, 2014 by WhatsStrength Intel Core i9-9900k | Seasonic FOCUS Plus 750W | 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 2666MHzMSI GeForce RTX2070 | WD Blue 1TB HDD | Samsung 950 PRO M.2 512GBAntec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower | MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon AC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Traitor, regardless of the potential good he's done. Not so much for the act but for his exchanging classified information from at least 5 nations (US, UK, Canada, Australia and NZ) for asylum and immunity from extradition in an authoritarian counterintelligence state. Dingdongs 1 AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.65GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16 EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN/Heatkiller Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | EVGA GeForce RTX2080 XC @2055MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodDamnMaster Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 Traitor, regardless of the potential good he's done. Not so much for the act but for his exchanging classified information from at least 5 nations (US, UK, Canada, Australia and NZ) for asylum and immunity from extradition in an authoritarian counterintelligence state. Generally-speaking, what are your thoughts on whistleblowing? Have there been any cases where you think there was more good achieved than harm? Intel Core i9-9900k | Seasonic FOCUS Plus 750W | 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 2666MHzMSI GeForce RTX2070 | WD Blue 1TB HDD | Samsung 950 PRO M.2 512GBAntec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower | MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon AC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I'm a supporter of whistleblowing, it's done a huge amount of good in the NHS. My issue with the Snowdon case was more that he's directly given secrets to a, let's face it, hostile nation to save his own skin. Dingdongs 1 AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.65GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16 EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN/Heatkiller Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | EVGA GeForce RTX2080 XC @2055MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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