You gotta love Denmark

[Moonshield]

If you want to discuss the levels of derogatority of various insults, start an etymology of insults thread in D&D, not here.

[EphemeralStar]

 

 

 

 

This is disturbing...This is not science, putting down a healthy giraffe and cutting it up and feeding it to the lions, in front of an audience of children and adults. This is to prevent inbreeding. What are they teaching children? It's not the circle of life when a lot of people would have cared for the giraffe or let it live at their zoo instead. It was just senseless killing that was totally unnecessary.

 

 

Except, you know, it happens all the time at many zoos, everywhere. This one has only gotten public attention because the zoo decided it was worth making it educational. Giraffes in captivity (because it is illegal to capture giraffes in the wild these days) could become extinct if their genetics are impure.

 

Which is unfortunate and even more sad! Even if this kind of stuff happens "everywhere" it will never be okay in my books. There was something wrong with the zoo director in my opinion because he ignored everyone who tried to save the giraffe and rather it be dead instead. Why does he even work at a zoo if he doesn't even value the life of one animal?

 

 

Again, you are lacking information. The zoo did not ignore them. This was a decision that took a long time to make, because they actually did search for potential buyers. But none of their buyers lived up to the requirements they had for the giraffe's well being.

 

If some random person decided to pay for the giraffe, that doesn't mean they have the facility or the ability to take care of it. In addition, they also did not want the giraffe polluting other zoo's giraffe genetic pools.

 

How long did this decision take? Do you know? Because quite frankly, there were tons of other options that did not include taking it's life. If they were so worried about it spoiling the gene pool, they could have neutered it for example.

 

“Until recently, either would have required sedation, which is a relatively high-risk operation with giraffes,” Jebram says. “They are liable to break their necks when they fall while sedated.” This is because giraffes typically must be sedated from a distance -- usually with a tranquilizer gun -- because it's difficult to get them to lie down. (Giraffes often, but not always, sleep standing up.) Still, the sedation argument is not a strong one -- while tranquilizing carries a risk, it is not guaranteed to endanger the animals. (Here's a 2011 story about a giraffe who was sedated in order to treat her overgrown hooves; she withstood the procedure just fine.)"

 

http://www.ibtimes.com/copenhagen-zoo-kills-giraffe-marius-case-highlights-difficulty-maintaining-genetic-diversity-1554421

 

Slight risk of the giraffe getting hurt while sedating it to castrate it or kill the 2 year old giraffe because it's easier. HMMMM...

[Mr. House]

 

 

 

 

 

This is disturbing...This is not science, putting down a healthy giraffe and cutting it up and feeding it to the lions, in front of an audience of children and adults. This is to prevent inbreeding. What are they teaching children? It's not the circle of life when a lot of people would have cared for the giraffe or let it live at their zoo instead. It was just senseless killing that was totally unnecessary.

 

 

Except, you know, it happens all the time at many zoos, everywhere. This one has only gotten public attention because the zoo decided it was worth making it educational. Giraffes in captivity (because it is illegal to capture giraffes in the wild these days) could become extinct if their genetics are impure.

 

Which is unfortunate and even more sad! Even if this kind of stuff happens "everywhere" it will never be okay in my books. There was something wrong with the zoo director in my opinion because he ignored everyone who tried to save the giraffe and rather it be dead instead. Why does he even work at a zoo if he doesn't even value the life of one animal?

 

 

Again, you are lacking information. The zoo did not ignore them. This was a decision that took a long time to make, because they actually did search for potential buyers. But none of their buyers lived up to the requirements they had for the giraffe's well being.

 

If some random person decided to pay for the giraffe, that doesn't mean they have the facility or the ability to take care of it. In addition, they also did not want the giraffe polluting other zoo's giraffe genetic pools.

 

How long did this decision take? Do you know? Because quite frankly, there were tons of other options that did not include taking it's life. If they were so worried about it spoiling the gene pool, they could have neutered it for example.

 

“Until recently, either would have required sedation, which is a relatively high-risk operation with giraffes,” Jebram says. “They are liable to break their necks when they fall while sedated.” This is because giraffes typically must be sedated from a distance -- usually with a tranquilizer gun -- because it's difficult to get them to lie down. (Giraffes often, but not always, sleep standing up.) Still, the sedation argument is not a strong one -- while tranquilizing carries a risk, it is not guaranteed to endanger the animals. (Here's a 2011 story about a giraffe who was sedated in order to treat her overgrown hooves; she withstood the procedure just fine.)"

 

http://www.ibtimes.com/copenhagen-zoo-kills-giraffe-marius-case-highlights-difficulty-maintaining-genetic-diversity-1554421

 

Slight risk of the giraffe getting hurt while sedating it to castrate it or kill the 2 year old giraffe because it's easier. HMMMM...

 

You're coming at this from the wrong angle! Facts and solutions don't matter here, it's about beating your chest, showing how big your balls are and not giving a f*ck brah cause they're just stupid animals. Who really gives a f*ck if you use a hedgehog as a football.

[Svip]

 

How long did this decision take? Do you know? Because quite frankly, there were tons of other options that did not include taking it's life. If they were so worried about it spoiling the gene pool, they could have neutered it for example.

 

 

“Until recently, either would have required sedation, which is a relatively high-risk operation with giraffes,” Jebram says. “They are liable to break their necks when they fall while sedated.” This is because giraffes typically must be sedated from a distance -- usually with a tranquilizer gun -- because it's difficult to get them to lie down. (Giraffes often, but not always, sleep standing up.) Still, the sedation argument is not a strong one -- while tranquilizing carries a risk, it is not guaranteed to endanger the animals. (Here's a 2011 story about a giraffe who was sedated in order to treat her overgrown hooves; she withstood the procedure just fine.)"

 

http://www.ibtimes.com/copenhagen-zoo-kills-giraffe-marius-case-highlights-difficulty-maintaining-genetic-diversity-1554421

 

Slight risk of the giraffe getting hurt while sedating it to castrate it or kill the 2 year old giraffe because it's easier. HMMMM...

 

 

Castration was considered. But this would create problems. In addition to this giraffe, they already had another male giraffe. It's already problematic when you have two male giraffes (fighting over the female, that is). Castration would not have prevented these issues, as the giraffe would still take up space.

 

If you love animals and decide to start working with animals, you are going to be incredibly disappointed by how many animals you end up killing.

[Smith John]

If you want to discuss the levels of derogatority of various insults, start an etymology of insults thread in D&D, not here.

You're telling me we can't do that in Gen Chat anymore? What is this communism.

[Mr. House]

Personally I think the human race is carrying a surplus to requirement and we should trim down the numbers. We'll start with bolt gunning babies. Wouldn't want to contaminate the meat!

 

 

I'm going to pre-empt my joke being used to suggest that I go first. So stick it.

Edited February 12, 2014 by Nale Dixon

[Audiophile]

Just saw this:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/12/second-giraffe-marius-risk-denmark-zoo

 

 

If you are a giraffe and your name is Marius, now might be a good time to leave Denmark.

 

Days after the euthanasia of a healthy young giraffe at Copenhagen zoo sparked controversy around the world, a second Danish zoo has announced that it is considering a similar fate for another giraffe – also named Marius.

Jyllands Park zoo, in western Denmark, currently has two male giraffes, but has been approved to participate in the European breeding programme. If zookeepers manage to acquire a female giraffe, seven-year-old Marius will have to make way.

 

Like his namesake in Copenhagen, the giraffe is considered unsuitable for breeding, and the zoo said there was a high risk that Marius would have to be put down as it would be difficult to find him a new home.

 

Janni Løjtved Poulsen, zookeeper at Jyllands Park, said it was not clear when the park would acquire a female giraffe and that the decision on Marius's future would be taken by the breeding programme co-ordinator.

"If we are told we have to euthanise [Marius] we would of course do that," said Poulsen.

 

She said the park managers would not to be influenced by the wave of protests that followed the killing of 18-month-old Marius at Copenhagen zoo.

 

More than 27,000 people around the world signed a petition to save the Copenhagen giraffe, and zoo officials said they had received death threats after the animal was put down, dissected in front of a large crowd and fed to lions.

"It doesn't affect us in any way. We are completely behind Copenhagen and would have done the same," said Poulsen.

 

Jyllands Park zoo has not decided whether they would also carry out a public dissection.

Poulsen said she had been surprised to discover there was a second giraffe named Marius in Denmark. The Jyllands Park giraffe had been named after a former vet at the zoo, she said. "We thought it was amusing that there was another Marius among the giraffes when there aren't that many giraffes in Denmark overall."

Copenhagen zoo's scientific director, Bengt Holst, said their animals were not given names in order to avoid any personification.

 

"The zoo keepers sometimes call the animals names, and then our guests have heard the name Marius, and that has then become the individual Marius," Holst told Denmark's Radio. "But in no way is it an official name it has been given."

[EphemeralStar]

I don't want to quote train anymore XD

@Svip: What problems? Please, tell me because you're being very vague here and you seem to know a lot more about caring for zoo animals than I do. Anyways, let me further expand on what that they could have done instead of killing him. They could have sedated & castrated the giraffe, give him some recovery time, take the effort to find a suitable home for him or give him to the best fit zoo out of the seven that offered to take him in that also have the proper space to care for him. I don't see what would have been so bad about this approach?? There's pros and cons of everything but were there enough cons for this approach that they opted to kill him instead and cut him into pieces for the world to see? I almost feel like for the people who protested against this it's a slap in the face that not only did they ultimately kill him in the end they also had to go and cut him up on live TV... kind of inconsiderate to all the people who wanted to save him, but that's just me.. Humans are gross.

Edited February 12, 2014 by EphemeralStar

[Svip]

I know what I know from what experts have told me. I trust these people to understand what they are doing, because they work with animals every day. I do not fully comprehend the issues with Marius, but primarily it was a genetic issue and a surplus issue.

 

I suppose it was risky of them to broadcast the dissection, but that can be rather educational about the anatomy of a giraffe. You can

, if you want to hear his explanation from him and not from me.

 

But what amuses me about this story is the entire overreaction over this event. There are far worse things going on that we should be outraged about.

 

Edit: For the record, I fully understand people being against this decision (even if they don't fully understand it), but that is no way an excuse to send someone death threats (not that I am accusing anyone of that in here). The main issue I've noticed - and from where my amusement stems - is the lack of coherent debate. There is basically a public lynching going on.

 

Watching Bengt Holst being completely calm and reasonable in that clip impresses me. His terrible English does not.

 

And one last thing; the thing about ignoring the petition is all right with me. We are talking about science here and rather complex stuff, not something you'd expect most people to know (I don't even fully understand it).

 

Imagine an animal getting an infection in a leg, they decide to cut off the leg to avoid it infecting the rest of the animal, but an online petition convinces them not to, because it would no longer look cute. That's a pretty bad decision making based on opinions of the masses. Leave it to the experts, I say. And be offended too, so you don't notice your own government having their hand up your ass.

Edited February 12, 2014 by Svip

[TheTaterTot]

All life, no matter what species, or physical form, be it the smallest amoeba to the largest whale to the oldest tree and such and more, all life, is to be loved and respected and cared for. No excuse to murder an innocent life, or castrate an innocent life, unless it's for your family, as family is the best. As we all protect and love our family the most. Our family is the best.

Edited February 12, 2014 by TheTaterTot

[Shmoopy]

 

Mar·i·us Pronouced : [mair-ee-uhs, mar-]

noun

Giraffe that is meant to be doomed

Edited February 12, 2014 by Manfred Von Karma

[El Dildo]

All life, no matter what species, or physical form, be it the smallest amoeba to the largest whale to the oldest tree and such and more, all life, is to be loved and respected and cared for.

 

were you born yesterday?

 

[GTA_stu]

They're at it again

A 2nd Danish zoo is thinking of sending their giraffe up to the big acacia tree in the sky. Looks like they're just going for all out giraffe genocide now. Although they don't identify you with a star on your sleeve, they just give you the name "Marius". Because this one, rather hilariously, is also called Marius.

 

Those Danes, such characters.

Edited February 13, 2014 by stu