GTA V Metaphors, Philosophy and Hidden Meanings.

[Phil Cassidy7]

 

 

 

 

 

Who is he fighting? The FIB?

 

"Merryweather Security Consulting? Private army of the New World Order? The folks waging outsourced shadow wars in twenty countries around the globe, and recently cleared to operate on US soil?"

―Trevor Philips asking Floyd Hebert about Merryweather.

http://gta.wikia.com/Merryweather_Security

[Tconzz22]

Yea I thought so. I didn't recognize the area tho. You took the fight to someone's back yard lol

 

Or was it devin Weston's house

Edited November 9, 2014 by Tconzz22

[Phil Cassidy7]

Yea I thought so. I didn't recognize the area tho. You took the fight to someone's back yard lol

 

Or was it devin Weston's house

Last mission, Devin Weston kidnap, i lost 3 times in that section before getting this dialogue.

[cyaninternetdog]

http://www.new-age-of-aquarius.com/reptilian-agenda.html

[XMarqstheSpot]

Honestly, I know you're talking about the "B" word correct? Lol I've heard a lot about him on here but I honestly never even saw his posts I must've been following a different thread or something.

 

I don't know what "his" theories or idea are, but I'm just trying to point out that the tracts must lead to something, just on the basis of the amount of time that was spent writing them and mapping them out. I know it's a shallow basis to have, but when you read them you know something is up. WE created this whole Epsilon thing back in SA. This is rockstar giving them to us for real, they know the hunters back then who were 12-15 years old and coming up with this hunt in SA are older and smarter now and would be investigating Epsilon the moment we saw it. They throw epsilon right into your face throughout the end of the game basically telling you to look further into them. All of that money was given to them, we have to get somethig back in return almost like an incentive to keep looking for wherever epsilon is trying to lead us.

 

I'm not trying to sound like epsilon is the right rock to flip, but it's just been a while since anyone has mentioned it. I'm not saying run around to the top of gordo in the blue robe and do yoga at 11:32 pm while it's raining on a half moon, I'm just saying epsilon tracts are trying to tell us (the player) something directly, and we look at it, see it as gibberish just because it's difficult to follow. The tracts are hard to understand, but there's blatant consistencies telling me that it has to be something that makes sense not just jumbled sentences.

It mentions that doves come from fire, which comes from peach trees in like the first chapter or verse or whatever. Doves coming from fire is a consistent image mentioned throughout the script. If it's just textual nonsense, then it wouldn't repeat go into such metaphoric detail to throw what it wants to into your face over and over again.

The Tract you say?...

 

If you have questions i shall break it down for you. My version is the most complete compared to any other breakdown, guaranteed.

 

If you are stronger than lettuce than you will probably find it interesting to say the least.

 

Of course, i'm no official Rstar rep so it's all just opinion and fun stories. BUT these are based not only on my own interpretations, but interpretations of someone who's work obviously influenced The Tract, almost word for word.

 

I don't think they want it to clog up the thread so PM me if you want.

Edited November 22, 2014 by XMarqstheSpot

[XMarqstheSpot]

So uh... should we get an old school online hunter group together for a time or two to share ideas over mic's and show others the stuff we think is interesting to the mysteries?

 

I'm free on Tuesday and Thursday night this week if anyone wan't to get together for some "Gunting", hehe.

 

 

SO, here's my first WTF... The beach structure isn't the original again. I was sure it would start over as the original and change over again for the next gen consoles on the same timeline as previous gen.

 

So, does that mean the GTAV on new gen consoles is on the same timeline as previous gen?

 

And thank Kraff i got some good Snapmatic shots of the original structure before they changed it!

[askinnywhitedildo]

Is all this still going on? I totally forgot...

[Phil Cassidy7]

Pay atenttion to his eyes.

[XMarqstheSpot]

F.I.B.

 

F... I... B...

 

Fib - A small or trivial lie; a falsehood.

 

 

and a second thought. Formage doesn't seem to care about what people think of him. can't remember him ever pondering if his life is going the wrong direction, in a sense, or letting the haters sway his judgement or feelings.

 

Dude is legit.

Edited December 1, 2014 by XMarqstheSpot

[cyaninternetdog]

Pay atenttion to his eyes.

 

Reptilian eyes!!!! Well spotted.

[CanOdope]

@XMarqstheSpot Welcome back! I was beginning to wonder how long it would be until you returned. Lol

[XMarqstheSpot]

Gone? Never.

 

In fact I've been flying my Jetpack around, looking at all the new-gen players, and waiting for the next wave of Gunters to which I can help to guide.

 

CanODope, always good to see a familiar name around.

[Eram]

Good to see you back on posting X.

 

The lightning storms on the new game are pretty impressive, as the "Lightning Master" you should be able to get some nice pics for us

Not sure if you're playing the new game or not but, if so, did you noticed any changes on the height limit where the lightning are no longer watchable?

Edited December 8, 2014 by EramVerdes

[XMarqstheSpot]

Actually, I have had GTAV Next-Gen since release day... 2013, but that's a horse of a different color.

 

Coincidentally I have the next two days off and was planning on actually sitting down and getting into this next-gen, next-gen version of GTAV specifically to test out some lightning stuff and get some photo's, since I haven't seen one lightning picture from the Re-release version as of yet.

 

Now that I can record video from the PS4 I got a list of things to do...

 

1. Lightning video.

2. Chiliad UFO shadow video.

3. Merryweather Heist match with Mural lines and X's video.

4. The Tract Explained video.

Etc etc.

 

It's whimsical to me how seemingly the hunt never took off again now that we have the availability of video proof. where is all the video's of the supposed UFO abductions around the "Welcome" alien house, for example?

 

just like real UFO sightings, as soon as everyone got good recording devices they cease to exist...

[CanOdope]

To be fair, there was only , what, 3 people who claimed to have witnessed that abduction.

[forthebeanbag]

I posted this over at the Hunting forum too, but I see that it has been picked up over here too:

 

I see my video of Cris Formage and his curious eye color change has made its way here and some of you seem interested in the find. I originally posted it to r/chilliadmystery over at reddit and some of the feedback has been mixed, saying lighting issue or glitch of some kind. Here is the original night time video:

 

 

 

And here is the clip during the day. Both on new gen Xbox One. Notice only the iris changes color and not the whole eye in both video, leaving me, and possibly some of you to believe that this was intentional. During any other moment of Fromage and his gestures, there could have been a "bug" with the color of his eyes. When he gets serious with Michael about being on his paradigm, and the camera is right on his face, Cris asks him if he is ready to write the Tract and there we see a flicker of Epsilon Blue wash over the iris of both eyes.

 

 

 

Of course there is no in game concrete evidence of Cris formage being a supernatural being, aside from maybe the GTA online first death sequence where he comes to you in a vision. It is kind of up to interpretation as is any interesting thing like this. However, as a reader of the tract and listener of Rons radio show, signs do point to something supernatural included in the lore, at least. Whether it manifests itself into actual game content is left to the future.

 

I have 100%, everything collected, and every achievement on 360. 100% on Xbox one, all items collected, all murder mystery missions solved, only missing Solid Gold achievement at this time.

 

My logical guess is this find is lore related, but naturally adds more depth to the leader of the Epsilon Program.

[XMarqstheSpot]

"Cogito ergo sum" .

 

"I think, therefore i am".

 

Translated better to "I am thinking, therefore i am alive".

 

"One cannot doubt their existence while doubting".

 

These are the best translations and official meaning of this famous quote... Seriously?

 

XMarqsTheSpots translation: Believe in yourself. You think of yourself who you are today, therefore you are that person. It has nothing to do with existing or not, it's about becoming the person you really believe you are.

 

It goes back to the question "If you had amnesia and couldn't remember who you were a week ago and someone from the military came to you and told you that you used to be apart of a special forces team, and they want you back when you heal up... How would you conduct yourself differently and how would your life change from what it is right now?"

 

Believing that you are something special is the most powerful thing in the world.

 

Cogito ergo sum. Suck on that, "Scholars".

[XMarqstheSpot]

Doubters are weaker than lettuce, according to The Tract.

 

Translation: It's about evolution. The lettuce evolved from another, less useful plant form. The lesser plant form saw it's potential to be something greater than it was currently, belived in itself, and evolved in to lettuce.

 

The doubter doesn't believe in themself. They only see what they are now and don't look to what they could become someday, if they just believed.

 

Ergo, the doubter is weaker than a head of lettuce.

 

Would anyone like to know more?...

[CanOdope]

Did lettuce evolve from Brussel sprouts?

[XMarqstheSpot]

No idea, google it. Hehe.

 

Just consider what im doing as fan fiction.

 

What's the morale of the story? As long as people get the message is how i see it.

 

Read at your own risk, lol.

[XMarqstheSpot]

Can't seem to find anywhere that the "Hunt" really picked back up again with the New Gen re-Release... Has it been confirmed that there is no hunt at all, or?...

 

Seems nobody really re-started to check to facts against the older gen version. For example, i don't see that anyone has posted that they have gone around to the Chiliad symbols to confirm they are the same an unchanged.

 

I guess people are satisfied and convinced that nothing has been changed and/or added and deleted.

 

 

 

Secondary observation, EVERYBODY is complaining about missing the snow, but nobody is complaining about missing the Original Beach Structure. The structure was not replaced by the original version that the old gen started with, but the new structure was simply carried over. So, Old Gen got something that New Gen versions doesn't have.(and IMHO, looks way better than what we have to look at now)

Maybe someone should ask themselves "Why was the Original structure placed and then replaced and the same not repeated with the Re-Release?"

 

R* is trying to tell you something, guys.

[CanOdope]

Not sure how you missed it...

 

NG Hunt

 

Some of the old gang is there, some are still occasionally posting on the previous mystery hunt thread as well.

Edited January 1, 2015 by CanOdope

[XMarqstheSpot]

How in the hell did i miss that?, WTF...

 

I was wondering where it all was.

 

thx

[auntjeff]

[auntjeff]

I've been doing quite a bit of amnesic detective work the last week or so...trying to unlearn what I know..what I have been told regarding the mural and symbolism seen in the game.

 

First off, it's really hard to unlearn something you have spent 2 years on..especially if there is only a few ways to look at things, according to the majority.

 

Second.. .... There's a star I saw, with me in it. It says YOU inside the star.

 

Only now am I realizing something more is at work here.

 

I have lived in fear all of my life. For me, this collective type of experiment was difficult to be a part of but i'm glad that I am.

 

This game, this forum and Reddit have provided me with a social interaction, however limited, that I never seek to engage in normally. I avoid people, places, phones, work, etc....taking the garbage down the driveway makes me anxious and sweaty.

 

Being like this and living like this has allowed me to struggle with a love/hate emotional impulse....a respect and loathing sort of thing. A respect for those that seemingly, with little or no effort, magnetize and command the attention of those around them, unashamed of the dialogue they utter or the things that they do and oblivious to what some would deem cringe worthy. Though, there is a difference between graceful confidence and being obnoxious. I loath these same people. Likely because I am envious of their ability to shun what people think of them and move freely about their places in the world, saying and doing as they please.

 

I also fear some people on this forum and the Reddit sub. I care too much about what one may think and I am painfully shy about shedding my skin or coming out of my shell.

 

I can't continue down this dead path within the game..looking for a Jet Pack. It isn't there. I am here. Me, I am in the game and I am being observed in how I play my story.

 

My story is far from complete. I need help to complete it. There are things I understand and there are also things that seem to have not been deemed 'ready' for me to know and see.

 

I think there will only be a few that are willing to help and to explain...I believe though also, that even fewer will be taking this path. I think something is wrong when examining the beach sculpture. It feels like we are being shown that we devolved on the hunt. It seems that the original structure was perhaps more than a rust covered, whatever it is now.

 

Does anyone else suspect something beyond the easy answer of copyright as the change? What else if anything has been removed or taken if one believes that the sculpture could be trying to tell us something? I can't think of anything off the top of my head, there could be nothing.

[Slate Mc 2]

Hi Auntjeff. Brave of you to post such details of your personal life, I am also somewhat of a recluse and I get my social interaction from the world of the internet. Regards the sculpture though, I think it was just a copyright issue because of the similarity to the RL scupture which was called "Declaration", by Mark di Survero.

 

http://www.spacetimecc.com/selected/l10_declaration.jpg

[auntjeff]

Hi Auntjeff. Brave of you to post such details of your personal life, I am also somewhat of a recluse and I get my social interaction from the world of the internet. Regards the sculpture though, I think it was just a copyright issue because of the similarity to the RL scupture which was called "Declaration", by Mark di Survero.

 

http://www.spacetimecc.com/selected/l10_declaration.jpg

 

Well, that sh*ts on my parade...or I could just be stubborn and refuse to believe you about the sculpture and feed my distortion of reality. Though it sounds more fun to do just that, I guess i'll resign myself to keep looking.

[auntjeff]

Once you forget what everyone told you, about what you were seeing, things seem to balance out.

 

Unlearn, unknow, what you know and have been told....or something like that. That's really the only good advice from the Tract.

 

Thanks Cris Formage for guiding me to forget about YOU, eyes and all the other distractions...other than that you're worthless!

 

Sometimes you have to ask for things and by asking or questioning you are NOT doubting. You are just purging some of the lies and over the top theories, quasi-messiahs, etc..

 

Ignore all that stuff and reload. It's likely bullsh*t or buffalo chips...probably buffalo chips.

[Eram]

Hey buddy, like Can said, I think it's pretty cool that you're sharing your deepest feelings with us.

I meant to pm you, though since you made it public (some of it again, I might say ) I believe it's better to just post my thoughts on it in here.

 

I have lived in fear all of my life. For me, this collective type of experiment was difficult to be a part of but i'm glad that I am.

You surely should have your reasons for that/those fear(s), though bare in mind that a lot of the GTAF's members have "some issues" too (just browse on the General Chat sub...).

 

I also fear some people on this forum and the Reddit sub. I care too much about what one may think and I am painfully shy about shedding my skin or coming out of my shell.

I can understand it for reddit, seeing some of the reactions that you had in there, but in here I've never seen any antagonism towards you.

Afaik, you're a respected Hunter and even if some of your posts didn't get any like they were still taken into account (reddit's up/down voting system is kinda different though...), at least by me.

Ie, I use the like button for a lot of different reasons:

-Genuinely liking the post (some of it at least);

-Agreeing with most of it;

-Made me laugh;

-Sarcastic like (TirkaneX was a master on this kinda likes, mainly when liking some (also mine) criticism towards him).

 

My story is far from complete. I need help to complete it. There are things I understand and there are also things that seem to have not been deemed 'ready' for me to know and see.

Absolutely buddy!

Our story is written every time we breathe.

Bought my daughters (8y and 16 months) boost my sdory every day, though most times I just realize it later on...

There will always be things that we (think to have) understand and others that we won't (though sometimes we did, but weren't aware back then...).

I think there will only be a few that are willing to help and to explain...

I truly hope you can count on me mate, pm when necessary.

[Nameless Foot Soldier]

I would like to advertise my own topic on such matters.

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/812382-gta-v-deeper-story-themesmeaning-a-must-read-for-fans-of-story-mode/?do=findComment&comment=1067821704