GTA V Metaphors, Philosophy and Hidden Meanings.

[CanOdope]

I think XMarqstheSpot was working on the missing letters for a while. I recall someone posting a list at one point, there are quite a lot to work with. Deciphering all those letters would be near impossible without some sort of color system or something...

[liquid1912]

I dunno it's all more than likely irrelevant but a hell of a way to hide a secret message.

[CanOdope]

@EramVerdes I just got home and loaded up GTA, my loading screen still say NG release on the 18th, nothing about EEs in the bullet points...

[Richard Power Colt]

So the previous topics have been locked, becausee.. of a few people trolling or having off-topic arguments? Can't those people be blocked from the thread? It's really dumb how a lot of people who actually want to solve mysteries are being punished, because a few people f*cked up.

[liquid1912]

So the previous topics have been locked, becausee.. of a few people trolling or having off-topic arguments? Can't those people be blocked from the thread? It's really dumb how a lot of people who actually want to solve mysteries are being punished, because a few people f*cked up.

Well it's all over now, the admins/mods are just giving it a cool down period , then we can start a new thread. For now they will be deleted or locked up if created.

[jp9865]

The mystery thread is open again. It's a shame liquid can't read this as he blocked me.

[TirkaneX]

Just finish to watch the last Cronenberg, Maps to the Stars. Sick how the way for apprehending this movie and find what's still hidden in game is so close.

 

Anyway, always a pleasure to Meet This Director.

[kjh]

 

 

 

Not sure if its Morons spelt wrong but its also an anagram of "Ransom".

I am going to see if any of the Murial's has anything to do with the on-line player, my theory is that the Egg is the creation of the on-line player. I am joining this mystery really late.

 

 

The ransom anagram is interesting. However, it could just be Rockstar's reference to that well known picture of a protester who couldn't spell "morons":

 

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/get-a-brain-morans

 

 

I don't know if it it's relevant and maybe this was a joke elsewhere too, but calling forum posters a moran was a running joke on a particular conspiracy discussion site for a while...

[XMarqstheSpot]

Seeing that this thread is still around and kicking makes me proud as all hell to have been a part of it.

 

You guys rock for keeping it up!

 

 

My new slogan: GTAV is a gateway drug to the Internet.

 

I think it was intended to be so.

[XMarqstheSpot]

Also, wanted to encourage people to give a "Thank you" and or a "Good Job" to Brian for taking on the role he has.

 

Do what he did, talk to yourself and don't be afraid of people hearing what you are saying. Fear should be a motivating factor in your life, not something that keeps you from being you.

 

You can't be "In the closet" in life. People as a whole tend to be in to themselves and not others, but i assure you that not knowing your neighbor is the same as not knowing yourself.

 

You must use your imagination to take yourself to greater levels of achievement.

 

 

 

In the grand scheme of things nobody is an individual, we are all the same entity. I believe in you guys, even if nobody else does, because believing in you is believing in myself, and doubting is only giving up on me.

[auntjeff]

I've struggled with debilitating anxiety most of my life and I have always been painfully shy. Judge me how you wish but in all honesty, internet forums, talking to Brian and being a part of a mystery, metaphoric or not, is about the limit to my social comfort zone. The talk of fear hits home with me, since I deal with it everyday, many time a day. I am usually forced into face to face socializing, not by choice but being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's something I hate and I realize it's fear of something but I don't know what it is. Yourself, Brian, others...though we don't talk very much to each other, when we do it feels like I am in a way talking to myself. For me it seems like a time will come along when I finally get it. That being afraid to take the trash down the driveway to the street because I might have to talk to a neighbor....that something will finally click and i'll feel that realization that there's nothing to be afraid of in real interactions. An old dog can learn new tricks and maybe this is a path I am on to learn something from my fears and my distaste of people....you never know who you will get inspiration from and really, you guys have led me to think beyond my narrow scope many times. There's an unnecessary peek into me, sorry.

[cyaninternetdog]

This place stinks of Epsilon, it is disgusting.

[XMarqstheSpot]

Disgustingly awesome!

 

For the interested hunters that are still around...

 

If only there was someone to worship me as a God, and someone i could worship as a God. I bet we would have a great RELATIONSHIP.

 

Fix the imbalances in your lives, then it will all be apparent.

 

EDIT: I'm mostly talking in game, but the concepts of the game can carry over to reality, so...

Edited October 26, 2014 by XMarqstheSpot

[ShiningLight]

you can be...

whatever you want to be

just believe and you will see

what you want to be

to achieve you must first learn to see

that the power to achieve

comes from the mind set to believe

so don't give up on the urge to see

that you can be

whatever the dream told that you can be

so to achieve whatever the mind set to see

is the power you will receive

from the determination to believe

so then the goal that you set will be

sitting within the hand of thee.

 

 

just for you auntjeff

[Tconzz22]

What's up fellas,

I was into this from release to like December last year until I got an Xbox one. I've since sold my 360 and haven't played gta v for almost a year now. I've checked in here once or twice every month to see what's going on, if you've found anything new and what the new ideas are. The rerelease of gta v has gotten me full blown back into this and I've been reading these forums for like a week straight now. I just wanted to point a few things out:

 

I was a big endorser of the Epsilon Tracts. Just the fact that somebody took so much time to write them has to give them some meaning. I used to be an English major, so I've seen my fair share of poems and metaphoric pieces, but the tracts are unique and had to take weeks to write, edit and rewrite. The overall tone used and complex metaphors truly is a work of art--it's like an old school lupe fiasco song--meaning from the very first sentence of the tracts, it literally takes you to a different universe, where what we know is all thrown out the window. It makes you mentally start all over again in order to follow it. There's so many different meanings and definitions to words we use everyday and ways to interpret every sentence which can make it difficult to follow; and following what you're reading I feel is very important when trying to tackle the Epsilon Tracts.

I just feel the tracts may have been given up on, and nobody seems to mention anything about them. It tells us to look for lakes and trees and lakes inside of trees and all that, it's NOT to be taken literally, we just have to find out who/what/where these things mean in order to try and understand what they are trying to say.

 

 

I was reading last Monday on here--not reddit--and I came across a thread that I didn't get the name of, but it was the thread that mentioned the Famous Hamburger sign, the Richmon Glen Mural and the first place that connected it to that book called 'Ciphers For Little Folks' I believe. It was the first time I've ever seen or heard of this particular mural and the thread I was on was an amazing read, but I lost the page I was on after like the first page. I've searched for it thru gtaforums and can't find the particular thread I'm looking for, the search function here only shows like two results when I search for "Richmond Glen Mural" or "Ciphers For Little Folks" or "Famous Hamburger Sign" and neither of them is what I'm looking for. Google only gives me reddit posts, or single posts from here regarding the Richmon Glen Mural and it's not what I want. I'm looking for the very first time that book was connected to the mural, and it was HERE, not on reddit. Idk if the thread was completely on that mural, or an old mystery thread, but if anyone can help me find it I'd give you a virtual high five. Even if there's not much into it, I just want to read it for personal delight, because it was a hell of a read for the little I came across and I'd like to finish it.

 

I was at my buddy's house on PS3 yesterday playing gta v trying to get him to 100%. How do you trigger the altruist mission with Trevor and how do you beat it? Is there anyone I should spare? And is there anything I should look for while doing that mission?

 

 

While reading this month, I've gone through a lot of old stuff on locked threads before a lot of people started getting really crazy with ideas, and I think most of you should do the same on your spare time. Most of those ideas were sane, made sense and followed the clues we were given. There's a lot of going off course here and trying to make things out of stuff that isn't there. Before I left here, we were discussing the blue lights from the Epsilon Tracts looking for clues thru the tracts but it's difficult to follow the scripts. Looking for clues downtown--we found a lot of coincidences/clues like Apple Blvd (or street or whatever) and the lake with the trees and stuff but I don't know if we were getting anywhere. BUT we were following clues given to us, and wether it was thru luck or not, we were getting places. I'm not saying this is a theory we should all look at, but I'm saying this is the type of thoughts and teamwork we need to solve this. The clues have been given to us. We need to follow the clues.

I can definitely see ideas getting crazy because of things like getting the Tractor from Epsilon, or getting the space docker after collecting the peices---but we don't have to take all the characters somewhere in a limo and beep the spacedocker at it 124 times and kill four Hispanic pedestrians to solve anything. It's not meant to work that way. Also while on the space docker (which I'm not sure is of importance or not) someone back in the day realized that the "rare" beeps happened while doing something, I don't remember if it was while he as at full speed, or whatever but he had consistent results for whatever it was--probably not important, but whatever.

 

 

I go over to my friends house a couple times a week so I can get my hands on the game on those occasions, but I'm here and ready to discuss whatever seems reasonable.

[Tconzz22]

One more thing that stood out to me while doing my recent research here is someone had a theory that acted like a Da Vinci Code type of scavenger hunt around the city. I don't remember exactly how he added it all up but his post made perfect sense. He started at the observatory I believe and was looking thru one of the telescopes. When looking thru a specific telescope, he saw another telescope so he went that one. While looking thru the second telescope he saw the FIB and IAA (I think) which have the blue lights. He went to those buildings, saw the eagle which seemed to point towards a certain direction, when he went in that direction he ended up at the Templar hotel, he then said right across the street was an epsilon poster. But he didn't post after that. It sounded legitimate but again, I haven't really played much recently but we've gotta get something going again. People say that we've tried everything, which isn't true. We've MENTIONED everything, and many of those things get brought up, everybody says it's interesting and if it doesn't get solved in a day the idea gets buried by other ideas and never looked back on. A San Andreas wide scavenger hunt is more of a possibility than shooting trees to make them talk or kicking orange balls around the map to get them into holes.

[Tconzz22]

I'll just keep thinking out loud as questions pop into my head. Maybe it will spark the right persons mind, who knows.

 

The epsilon "laws" or whatever mention that sperm doesn't exist and that it is a lie. In the tracts, it mentions that the peach/apple tree must be watered. It later mentions that man and woman produce water differently--is "water" sperm? Or should I say, is "sperm" water? Who is the tree? I know I'm asking hollow questions, but there must be an answer to these things. The peach tree produces fire that brings a dove. The apple tree has an apple that "falls" upward into the sky and becomes an eagle. I don't know what any of this means it's a real mindf*ck when trying to understand it all. The tree can be a person, more specifically a woman.

 

 

 

Also, we haven't spent enough time trying to find out what the lines connecting the Xs in the mural mean. The mural is elaborate, intended to give us just the information we need, no more no less, so every detail should be examined and understood in order to solve it.

 

 

 

I doubt it has anything to do with the chillin mural, and the great hunt, but I do believe the Famous Hamburger sign is an Easter egg of some sorts and can be deciphered. What's the latest news that came about on that? Did anyone get even close to having a theory about it?

[CanOdope]

It seems almost as though you either are, or are trying to summon, "he who shall not be mentioned". Lol

 

Whether or not that is the case, I'm sure Xmarqsthespot would love to discuss this with you the next time he's on.

Edited October 29, 2014 by CanOdope

[Tconzz22]

Honestly, I know you're talking about the "B" word correct? Lol I've heard a lot about him on here but I honestly never even saw his posts I must've been following a different thread or something.

 

I don't know what "his" theories or idea are, but I'm just trying to point out that the tracts must lead to something, just on the basis of the amount of time that was spent writing them and mapping them out. I know it's a shallow basis to have, but when you read them you know something is up. WE created this whole Epsilon thing back in SA. This is rockstar giving them to us for real, they know the hunters back then who were 12-15 years old and coming up with this hunt in SA are older and smarter now and would be investigating Epsilon the moment we saw it. They throw epsilon right into your face throughout the end of the game basically telling you to look further into them. All of that money was given to them, we have to get somethig back in return almost like an incentive to keep looking for wherever epsilon is trying to lead us.

 

I'm not trying to sound like epsilon is the right rock to flip, but it's just been a while since anyone has mentioned it. I'm not saying run around to the top of gordo in the blue robe and do yoga at 11:32 pm while it's raining on a half moon, I'm just saying epsilon tracts are trying to tell us (the player) something directly, and we look at it, see it as gibberish just because it's difficult to follow. The tracts are hard to understand, but there's blatant consistencies telling me that it has to be something that makes sense not just jumbled sentences.

It mentions that doves come from fire, which comes from peach trees in like the first chapter or verse or whatever. Doves coming from fire is a consistent image mentioned throughout the script. If it's just textual nonsense, then it wouldn't repeat go into such metaphoric detail to throw what it wants to into your face over and over again.

[Richard Power Colt]

I've struggled with debilitating anxiety most of my life and I have always been painfully shy. Judge me how you wish but in all honesty, internet forums, talking to Brian and being a part of a mystery, metaphoric or not, is about the limit to my social comfort zone. The talk of fear hits home with me, since I deal with it everyday, many time a day. I am usually forced into face to face socializing, not by choice but being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's something I hate and I realize it's fear of something but I don't know what it is. Yourself, Brian, others...though we don't talk very much to each other, when we do it feels like I am in a way talking to myself. For me it seems like a time will come along when I finally get it. That being afraid to take the trash down the driveway to the street because I might have to talk to a neighbor....that something will finally click and i'll feel that realization that there's nothing to be afraid of in real interactions. An old dog can learn new tricks and maybe this is a path I am on to learn something from my fears and my distaste of people....you never know who you will get inspiration from and really, you guys have led me to think beyond my narrow scope many times. There's an unnecessary peek into me, sorry.

At least you're not afraid to open up about it. Unlike... uhh.. somebody else YOU HEARD NOTHING!

[cyaninternetdog]

http://www.zengardner.com/transhumanist-singularity-ultimate-escapist-agenda/

[Tconzz22]

The children of the mountain HQ is the building near franklins aunts house early in the game that looks like a church and has the "find yourself on the mountain" sign in front of it. Most people probably know that, but I just realized that that building was the club's HQ. Has anybody found any more information on Children Of The Mountain? What is it and who are they? Why are the situated in the ghetto, and why is it a church?

[MrVance]

The FIB logo on two UFO`s in V is a dig at US government and it`s UFO bussines.

USA is right next to Brazil and Russia No.1 in the world with conections to extraterestrial activity. SW states of USA are besides Siberia the most visited places on earth, visited by other civilisation that is. US government is trying everything to cover the existence of those civilisations.

We only know AREA 51 which is the main UFO base on earth but there are more than 6 highly secured military bases across USA with direct airstrips and landing zones for UFO`s.

Hence the logo on those 2 UFOs. A somewhat comic but yet meaningfull dig at US government and it`s never ending efforts to cover and deny everything about those extraterestrial activities.

And another "easter egg" is on the red fuel tank W of gym facilities in Fort Zancudo, a sign "Cockheed" which is obvious dig at Lockheed company and all the theories involving them with producing a super military aircrafts with "borrowed" materials directly from other civilisations.

 

That`s why i love R*`s easter eggs so much.

[Tconzz22]

The FIB logo on two UFO`s in V is a dig at US government and it`s UFO bussines.

USA is right next to Brazil and Russia No.1 in the world with conections to extraterestrial activity. SW states of USA are besides Siberia the most visited places on earth, visited by other civilisation that is. US government is trying everything to cover the existence of those civilisations.

We only know AREA 51 which is the main UFO base on earth but there are more than 6 highly secured military bases across USA with direct airstrips and landing zones for UFO`s.

Hence the logo on those 2 UFOs. A somewhat comic but yet meaningfull dig at US government and it`s never ending efforts to cover and deny everything about those extraterestrial activities.

And another "easter egg" is on the red fuel tank W of gym facilities in Fort Zancudo, a sign "Cockheed" which is obvious dig at Lockheed company and all the theories involving them with producing a super military aircrafts with "borrowed" materials directly from other civilisations.

 

That`s why i love R*`s easter eggs so much.

I bet there's more to the logos on the UFOs tho... There's gotta be a story behind them other than it's the FIB trying to cover up information over the public. Also, wouldn't the IAA be more responsible over UFO type matters and projects rather than the FIB? The FIB is to fight crime, they shouldn't be caught up in building artificial UFOs. If the IAA logo was on the UFOs I would stand behind your theory indefinitely, but there's got to be more to it. Edited November 6, 2014 by Tconzz22

[Tconzz22]

I know this may be reaching far..but I'm at work and my mind just started firing off. We seem to think we understand the mural, but let's be honest, we most likely don't. We have a UFO an egg, and a jetpack. I believe we've found the UFO (the one that appears at night in the rain over chilliad) I also believe we don't know what to do with that UFO yet and it's purpose has yet to have been found. With that being said, what's the egg for? And what is it? I know it's an old question, but noones asked it in a while.

 

Then I saw the well known "you're egg is here!" sign. The sign stands out, it's in a place where you won't miss it when you drive by it and the phrase "you're egg is here!" Is not catchy, it doesn't really make sense looking at it from an advertising point of view, and doesn't sound like any sort of marketing ploy. So maybe that sign is some sort of physical clue. Maybe it tells us where to start, or gives some insight buried deep within its message? Just trying to get things going again.

 

 

Again, this is reaching for something that's probably not there. But that sign is just out of place and doesn't belong. It stands out.

[Eram]

The house and the area shown on the sign were already found. Many tests were made there to no avail, raining at 3AM included...

Doesn't mean it's debunked, but it was thoroughly checked.

[MrVance]

 

The FIB logo on two UFO`s in V is a dig at US government and it`s UFO bussines.

USA is right next to Brazil and Russia No.1 in the world with conections to extraterestrial activity. SW states of USA are besides Siberia the most visited places on earth, visited by other civilisation that is. US government is trying everything to cover the existence of those civilisations.

We only know AREA 51 which is the main UFO base on earth but there are more than 6 highly secured military bases across USA with direct airstrips and landing zones for UFO`s.

Hence the logo on those 2 UFOs. A somewhat comic but yet meaningfull dig at US government and it`s never ending efforts to cover and deny everything about those extraterestrial activities.

And another "easter egg" is on the red fuel tank W of gym facilities in Fort Zancudo, a sign "Cockheed" which is obvious dig at Lockheed company and all the theories involving them with producing a super military aircrafts with "borrowed" materials directly from other civilisations.

 

That`s why i love R*`s easter eggs so much.

I bet there's more to the logos on the UFOs tho... There's gotta be a story behind them other than it's the FIB trying to cover up information over the public. Also, wouldn't the IAA be more responsible over UFO type matters and projects rather than the FIB? The FIB is to fight crime, they shouldn't be caught up in building artificial UFOs. If the IAA logo was on the UFOs I would stand behind your theory indefinitely, but there's got to be more to it.

 

That was exactly what i was asking myself. It should be more realistic if IAA logo would be on those 2 UFOs since FIB(FBI) is more like crime fighting agency, just like you said.

 

So i would say this is kind of missinterpretation of which agency is involved with these things. Yes, this comes to the CIA and NSA in real life not FBI.

I don`t know why they are keep connecting FBI with that, they do it in movies, games and books.

Look at the X FILES episodes, Scully and Mulder are FBI agents and FBI is suddenly showed like some secret government agency involved with extraterestrial activity.

Bullsh*t. Well maybe they don`t even dare to mention CIA or NSA so they just go with FBI- less risky

[Tconzz22]

 

 

 

The FIB logo on two UFO`s in V is a dig at US government and it`s UFO bussines.

USA is right next to Brazil and Russia No.1 in the world with conections to extraterestrial activity. SW states of USA are besides Siberia the most visited places on earth, visited by other civilisation that is. US government is trying everything to cover the existence of those civilisations.

We only know AREA 51 which is the main UFO base on earth but there are more than 6 highly secured military bases across USA with direct airstrips and landing zones for UFO`s.

Hence the logo on those 2 UFOs. A somewhat comic but yet meaningfull dig at US government and it`s never ending efforts to cover and deny everything about those extraterestrial activities.

And another "easter egg" is on the red fuel tank W of gym facilities in Fort Zancudo, a sign "Cockheed" which is obvious dig at Lockheed company and all the theories involving them with producing a super military aircrafts with "borrowed" materials directly from other civilisations.

 

That`s why i love R*`s easter eggs so much.

I bet there's more to the logos on the UFOs tho... There's gotta be a story behind them other than it's the FIB trying to cover up information over the public. Also, wouldn't the IAA be more responsible over UFO type matters and projects rather than the FIB? The FIB is to fight crime, they shouldn't be caught up in building artificial UFOs. If the IAA logo was on the UFOs I would stand behind your theory indefinitely, but there's got to be more to it.

 

That was exactly what i was asking myself. It should be more realistic if IAA logo would be on those 2 UFOs since FIB(FBI) is more like crime fighting agency, just like you said.

 

So i would say this is kind of missinterpretation of which agency is involved with these things. Yes, this comes to the CIA and NSA in real life not FBI.

I don`t know why they are keep connecting FBI with that, they do it in movies, games and books.

Look at the X FILES episodes, Scully and Mulder are FBI agents and FBI is suddenly showed like some secret government agency involved with extraterestrial activity.

Bullsh*t. Well maybe they don`t even dare to mention CIA or NSA so they just go with FBI- less risky

Too risky? Rockstar? No way. I mean they already have the IAA, so mentioning the CIA isn't an issue for them. But there's got to be a reason behind the FIB being plastered on the UFOs.

[Phil Cassidy7]

 

 

 

 

[Tconzz22]

 

 

 

 

Who is he fighting? The FIB?