GTA V Metaphors, Philosophy and Hidden Meanings.

[Stoned2Death]

For those who are looking at geographical locations for the hippy camp.... (this may or may not help) but whilst i was easter egg hunting today a few things caught my attention

 

http://imgur.com/B7hBkrf <---- This looks like the hippy mound (Rockford Hills)

http://imgur.com/XPtZkbc <---- sun-like image on top of mound

http://imgur.com/tIRehwb <---- when i got a higher vantage point it reminded me of the 'alien' symbols

 

http://imgur.com/DR5FUoJ <----- Bent red arrow and a red circle (Great Ocean Highway)

http://imgur.com/lhcz8Ag <----- About ten feet away was another red circle

 

http://imgur.com/8v3fOva <----- white ring (casino entrance ceiling)

 

Also, if you go to Vinewood Boulevard the place is covered in stars. I've found plenty of yellow and blue stars but no red ones yet

 

Like I said, It may or may not help you guys but I thought they were worth sharing

[Richard Power Colt]

For those who are looking at geographical locations for the hippy camp.... (this may or may not help) but whilst i was easter egg hunting today a few things caught my attention

 

http://imgur.com/B7hBkrf <---- This looks like the hippy mound (Rockford Hills)

http://imgur.com/XPtZkbc <---- sun-like image on top of mound

http://imgur.com/tIRehwb <---- when i got a higher vantage point it reminded me of the 'alien' symbols

 

http://imgur.com/DR5FUoJ <----- Bent red arrow and a red circle (Great Ocean Highway)

http://imgur.com/lhcz8Ag <----- About ten feet away was another red circle

 

http://imgur.com/8v3fOva <----- white ring (casino entrance ceiling)

 

Also, if you go to Vinewood Boulevard the place is covered in stars. I've found plenty of yellow and blue stars but no red ones yet

 

Like I said, It may or may not help you guys but I thought they were worth sharing

Tbh all of those felt kinda irrelevant, but oh well...

[Eram]

 

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@ ERAM Congratulations buddy!!!

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Thanks mate. It's been almost 7y since my 1st so it's kinda going from gta iv to gta v - a whole new ball game lol

 

Yeah only bad thing is that it ruins the surprise, because people look through these files.

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Jetpack on gta v is no surprise imo, it's simply owed to us paying gamers since they depicted it at the damn mural and never answered back at countless helpdesk "Decoding the Mural" requests. I couldn't care less about the jp and (except if the physics are mind blowing) I'll probably just use it for crashing into maze bank, gliding over water & maybe checking the ufos, like I did with the sd...

Only surprise will be how it will show up, weither on "stealth mode", some FREE/paid dlc with proper patch info, or was already in game (less and less likely since this last files finding).

 

Regarding the containers, this 10' (all openable, so far) containers are prety much everywhere, but I've never seen one on the trains.

Anyone knows how many train sets exist ingame?

 

Some 20' are/were also openable, but it's been a while since I've found one...

 

Edit @X below - only shadow is the jp one, looks fake imho and for 2M, bring it on!.

I feel it more like a unique sp kinda thing, like the sd should be...

Edited April 20, 2014 by EramVerdes

[XMarqstheSpot]

On main GTAV forum page there is a topic about the JETPACK, it's in Warstock Cache And Carry when it's released, for 2 Million Dollars. F'n LAME ROCKSTAR you pieces of ...

 

 

The only hope i have for anything now is that the JP will be needed to fly into the UFO's or something...?(Crossing my fingers on it being Photoshopped)

 

EDIT: Link. http://gtaforums.com/topic/703008-jetpack-in-warstock-leaked/

 

Everyone seems to be jumping to the obvious conclusion of it being shopped but, i'm not holding my breath on it. This is something R* would do IMHO.

Edited April 20, 2014 by XMarqstheSpot

[TirkaneX]

@Stone2Death

 

Hippy camp in town; loop with dot inside, colour, symbols:

 

 

Red Star(also enlightened in red by night) at Ammu-Nation in Downtown Los Santos.

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Link. http://gtaforums.com/topic/703008-jetpack-in-warstock-leaked/

 

 

 

Fake, topic locked.

Edited April 20, 2014 by TirkaneX

[Richard Power Colt]

 

 

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@ ERAM Congratulations buddy!!!

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Thanks mate. It's been almost 7y since my 1st so it's kinda going from gta iv to gta v - a whole new ball game lol

 

Yeah only bad thing is that it ruins the surprise, because people look through these files.

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Jetpack on gta v is no surprise imo, it's simply owed to us paying gamers since they depicted it at the damn mural and never answered back at countless helpdesk "Decoding the Mural" requests. I couldn't care less about the jp and (except if the physics are mind blowing) I'll probably just use it for crashing into maze bank, gliding over water & maybe checking the ufos, like I did with the sd...

Only surprise will be how it will show up, weither on "stealth mode", some FREE/paid dlc with proper patch info, or was already in game (less and less likely since this last files finding).

 

Regarding the containers, this 10' (all openable, so far) containers are prety much everywhere, but I've never seen one on the trains.

Anyone knows how many train sets exist ingame?

 

Some 20' are/were also openable, but it's been a while since I've found one...

 

Edit @X below - only shadow is the jp one, looks fake imho and for 2M, bring it on!.

I feel it more like a unique sp kinda thing, like the sd should be...

 

Well yeah it makes sense for them to bring a jetpack, because so many people want it and are looking for it. But in general stuff like new cars have been revealed in advance a few times, because of leaked files. But whatever enough of that. I hope they'll bring the thing Online, because you could probably goof around with it a lot. Also regarding the trains, I'm pretty sure it only has 3 types of carriages which are the longer containers, empty carriages and the tank one.

Edited April 21, 2014 by GTAandStuff

[Crimie]

On main GTAV forum page there is a topic about the JETPACK, it's in Warstock Cache And Carry when it's released, for 2 Million Dollars.

 

Everyone seems to be jumping to the obvious conclusion of it being shopped but, i'm not holding my breath on it. This is something R* would do IMHO.

This cropped up on the online section a few months ago, its about as real today as it was then, faker than a pair of Vinewood tee tees cousin

 

The same user made a very convincing photoshop of an Emergency Vehicle auction website leading players to believe they would be able to purchase used police vehicles in a future update

Edited April 21, 2014 by One Poor Fool

[TirkaneX]

R* talk about a "alien conspiracy". By definition, if you are not one of those who have created a conspiracy, it's not possible to disclose her. We can say there's a conspiracy, bring a ton of evidence concerning a conspiracy or simply to see clearly these evidence without disclose her. Except if we find who are inside a conspiracy, spy them, or be introduced.

I try to say that, if we search to disclose, only we'll can do it's add a ton of evidence without reach the goal. When one of the 3 characters, or more, are in front of an Ufo, they have no reaction, like they don't see them, or like it was normal to see that.

Maybe the only persons who aren't a part of the conspiracy, that's us. Or we are also a part. And only thing we'll be able to do, it's to See without the possibility to do more.

I only talk about conspiracy, not about we can Do.

[Ungreth]

My problem with the jetpack is this...

 

The reward for the mystery could be anything at all, a t-shirt, a vehicle, or just a message. It doesn't matter, because the personal achievement of solving of the mystery is what fuels our hunter's instinct, and not the end prize itself.

 

Now I think a jetpack would be ok as a means to an end, but it would be totally wasted as a post-game reward since we have already ripped the bones out of this game and crapped on it's carcass. I would much rather see the jetpack used properly as an integral element of a DLC pack where we actually get to use it in a new heist mission for example, or to hunt for new added "extras" similar to the ufo parts, letter scraps, etc.

 

At least in GTA:SA, getting 100% was not a requirement to getting the jetpack, so once I had it, it proved hugely useful for finding the hidden packages and other extras. Finding a secret jetpack now in GTA5, it would feel redundant. Other than flying aimlessly around, I have no real use for it.

 

So I'm really hoping that we will see a whole DLC devoted to actually using the jetpack, and not simply finding it at the end of a few story missions then having no reason to use it. At the very least, there are a ton of places which should only be accessible with a jetpack, and it would be a shame if R* didn't take the opportunity to put some hidden collectibles in these areas.

Edited April 21, 2014 by Ungreth

[TirkaneX]

the belief that a jetpack is a reward for having deciphered the mural came from us.

Of the absolute certainty that the symbol to the right was a man with a jetpack. If with the next update I saw that thing in my wheel arms or on my list of special vehicles, I'll come to the conclusion that what I already think, this symbol is not a Jetpack.

The jetpack is not found, the cracked egg is not found, who has ruled that the symbol on the left was a UFO? Us.

 

The possible arrival of a jetpack, in update or dlc, will not solve this mural. Simply an another clue who will tell that we are completely in the wind concerning this mystery.

Edited April 21, 2014 by TirkaneX

[Razgriz67]

I agree. The with tirk, the Mural was put in-game for a certain purpose. But it was us who made the speculations that we would get a Jetpack as a reward. It was us who decided to think there was a huge mystery behind it. Now are we wrong? IDK but we could of easily misinterpreted the mural (hell some of use still cant agree where the directions on the back of the map lead us)

 

 

 

They have put files naming future cars like the ones included in the business and high life update before they were even released so it seems to be how R* does things for some reason.

 

I think this is how most Devs do it. It makes it easier to work on future DLC since some of blueprints for the essentials are already there for them to start building and do testing on.

 

Yeah only bad thing is that it ruins the surprise, because people look through these files.

 

 

Only ruins the surprise if you actually go looking through the files. Hell I didn't even think implementing skiing was a possibility until a few of you recently posted about it. I would of been completely surprised if they announced it and I didn't see those posts.

 

 

Also to everyone who thinks that it would be a waste for the jetpack to be for post game use. Well IIRC in Jak II at the end of the game when you collected most of the orbs things you got unlimited dark energy and invulnerability which is useless end game. But it Also gave you the ability to restart the game but have both of those be the first 2 things you unlock.

 

So no matter how slim I still have hope that we will be able to use the jetpack from a brand new save once, we unlock it (assuming it is part of this whole mystery we have been chasing)

Edited April 21, 2014 by razgriz67

[Richard Power Colt]

I agree. The with tirk, the Mural was put in-game for a certain purpose. But it was us who made the speculations that we would get a Jetpack as a reward. It was us who decided to think there was a huge mystery behind it. Now are we wrong? IDK but we could of easily misinterpreted the mural (hell some of use still cant agree where the directions on the back of the map lead us)

 

 

 

They have put files naming future cars like the ones included in the business and high life update before they were even released so it seems to be how R* does things for some reason.

 

I think this is how most Devs do it. It makes it easier to work on future DLC since some of blueprints for the essentials are already there for them to start building and do testing on.

 

Yeah only bad thing is that it ruins the surprise, because people look through these files.

 

 

Only ruins the surprise if you actually go looking through the files. Hell I didn't even think implementing skiing was a possibility until a few of you recently posted about it. I would of been completely surprised if they announced it and I didn't see those posts.

 

 

Also to everyone who thinks that it would be a waste for the jetpack to be for post game use. Well IIRC in Jak II at the end of the game when you collected most of the orbs things you got unlimited dark energy and invulnerability which is useless end game. But it Also gave you the ability to restart the game but have both of those be the first 2 things you unlock.

 

So no matter how slim I still have hope that we will be able to use the jetpack from a brand new save once, we unlock it (assuming it is part of this whole mystery we have been chasing)

Enough with the whole ruins the surprise thing. Also are people really saying that it would be a waste? Really? I always wanted the thing just so I could goof around. In fact I mostly play GTA for the Online portion these days. They need to bring the jetpack Online.

 

 

the belief that a jetpack is a reward for having deciphered the mural came from us.

Of the absolute certainty that the symbol to the right was a man with a jetpack. If with the next update I saw that thing in my wheel arms or on my list of special vehicles, I'll come to the conclusion that what I already think, this symbol is not a Jetpack.

 

The jetpack is not found, the cracked egg is not found, who has ruled that the symbol on the left was a UFO? Us.

 

The possible arrival of a jetpack, in update or dlc, will not solve this mural. Simply an another clue who will tell that we are completely in the wind concerning this mystery.

I'm pretty sure the symbols are what we thought they would be, but it might have been the wrong belief that we could actually acquire a jetpack or ride a dino or pilot a UFO. Some people have said that they symbolize the 3 main characters. Also if Rockstar is actually adding in a jetpack, their decision could have been helped by the large amount of easter egg hunters in the game so maybe we have at least done something. Or perhaps they were just hinting DLC all along.

[Macontheweb007]

After looking into a theory I had a long time ago about electricity generation, telsar and other good stuff i came across this and thought that this could be cool if utilised in game.....

 

http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2013/02/15/electromagnetic-harvester-ambient-energy/#.U1TydPldVUM

 

Interestingly, I have just had a nosey over on reddit and saw a very interesting theory about Telsar and the in game connections that is very similar to where my brain is at the moment.......

 

Push on people, I smell victory ahead.

[TirkaneX]

@GTAandStuff

 

Ok, so if it's related to dlc,

3 big box>3 dlcs

5 X could be 5 major updates. we have 4: beach bum, chrismas, valentine and business,

lines at the bottom all updates:1.01 to 1.20 (19 lines)

 

What are the lightnings?

 

I dislike this explanation.

Edited April 21, 2014 by TirkaneX

[me1283]

right i was sitting playing xbox with my mate the other night with my mate who doesnt play much gta, when i was explaining that the space docker may have rockets on it but just need powered up he replied "well that would make sense with the 2 prongs on the sd, u must just have to plug it in somewhere with the 2 prongs on it" i had never thought of this before but on thinking bout it he could well have a point?

edit : the part of the thoery i thought had a point was from the prongs going to the rockets is a neon wire/cable it could just be possible

Edited April 21, 2014 by me1283

[TirkaneX]

to illustrate clearly:

 

Image 1: A man runs with a pistol in his left hand.

image 2: he wears a bag and holding it with his right hand.

Image 3: Money goes from the bag.

 

We've all seen that in the game. But no, it's a man with a Jetpack.

 

We can do the same with a side view(especially the shadow) of a man with a back pack+sleeping bag+straps hang at the bottom of bag or a Man with a golf bag(ditto, the shadow).

 

All of this is viewable.

 

I don't say it's not a man with a Jetpack, I say it's maybe something else.

Edited April 21, 2014 by TirkaneX

[Richard Power Colt]

@GTAandStuff

 

Ok, so if it's related to dlc,

3 big box>3 dlcs

5 X could be 5 major updates. we have 4: beach bum, chrismas, valentine and business,

lines at the bottom all updates:1.01 to 1.20 (19 lines)

 

What are the lightnings?

 

I dislike this explanation.

 

Ok I didn't really think it too far I just kinda threw it out there. Didn't really even think about the other 5 boxes, but whatever.

 

I would consider some of the creator updates more major than valentine and christmas though especially with the Christmas update being completely temporary. But tbh I don't think the whole mural in general is about DLC and updates either. The updates mostly concern the Online mode. I was kinda just referring to the 3 in the bottom, but then again that would make the whole mural kinda unfocused if it was partly about DLC and partly something else.

 

Also there are those UFO murals across the whole mountain and a lot of people think the 5 small boxes refer to those and have tried to place the chiliad mural on the map or on the mountain to suit the position of those since the whole Chiliad mural was found. And at least most of those white UFO murals in turn seem to refer to the UFOs already found in the game. And as I said before the 3 in the bottom could just be symbolising the characters. Perhaps there's more than that to it perhaps not either way I'm out.

[Stoned2Death]

And as I said before the 3 in the bottom could just be symbolising the characters.

 

This just doesn't make sense. Most of the storylines are airtight in their backgrounds etc....

 

Micheal, Trevor & Franklin are leading totally different lives when we pick up the pad for the first missions. Michael and Trevor have no idea who Franklin is and Trevor thinks Micheal is dead. They have no knowledge of each other basically.

 

So who drew the mural? and who 'predicted' these characters would get together?? M, T & F are not forced together by agencies like the FIB are they? And the mural is there for all to see on day one.

 

IMO they DO NOT represent the characters. It's kinda simple logic

[TirkaneX]

@GTAandStuff

 

I'm completely agree with you, this mural is not linked by dlc's; imo. It was just to illustrate we could find an explanation to all possible "theory", this one include.

 

Theorizing feeds the fog. I prefer to use 1,2,3 etc. and x, y, z etc. to name things.

What can be combined in groups of 5 with a link between them? Just an example.

 

We need only two characters to solve this. what are only the same things that Michael and Trevor can do all both?

Edited April 21, 2014 by TirkaneX

[XMarqstheSpot]

to illustrate clearly:

 

Image 1: A man runs with a pistol in his left hand.

image 2: he wears a bag and holding it with his right hand.

Image 3: Money goes from the bag.

 

We've all seen that in the game. But no, it's a man with a Jetpack.

 

We can do the same with a side view(especially the shadow) of a man with a back pack+sleeping bag+straps hang at the bottom of bag or a Man with a golf bag(ditto, the shadow).

 

All of this is viewable.

 

I don't say it's not a man with a Jetpack, I say it's maybe something else.

I have to disagree with this interpretation simply because there is an obvious straight line/handle that goes from the "Backpack" to the hand of the stick figure. In other words the throttle control/Jetpack Arms.

 

It's clearly visible in the drawing, so i don't think it's a bag of money, or a baby carrier, or a hiking backpack, as non of those things have a bar/handle that is attached in that way. BUT, a Jetpack does.

 

Just my opinion, it's clearly a Jetpack and/or drawn to look like one with that purpose first.

Edited April 21, 2014 by XMarqstheSpot

[McGyver55]

To be honest, if this stupid f**king mural had not appeared in the game, I would have actually enjoyed the game a lot more.

When I got the game (like two weeks after it was released) I checked the various forums to see what was cool, and what to keep an eye open for... no spoilers, just some basic "heads-up" sorta stuff... I glimpsed an image of the mural somewhere but, but refused to read about it or take a look at the pix... I wanted to find it on my own, whatever it was... as far as I saw, it was some sort of graffiti of a mountain, with lightning around it... I literally averted my eyes, because I wanted it to be a surprise...

So as I usually did, I decided to explore the map and collect whatever weapons, armor or whatever I could find before actually taking on any missions in the game... so of course one of the most prominent details I came across in the game (on my first day of exploring) was the tramway...

"Cool... I hope you can ride it..." I thought... and of course I did... and on the way up I see that first glyph, and as soon as I got to the top I see the mural in the shed...

Not much exploring was needed to find it, nor was there for the first glyph...

It was apparent to me that it was placed there to be found... so very early on we would know there was something to be found in the game... maybe it was a puzzle, maybe it was a warning... but it was a message of some sort... placed where we could see it, plain as day.

Now here is the part where I have issues with some folks who say we made this all up and Rockstar owes us nothing, it was our own stupid greedy interpretation...

 

When I found the mural, I was examining it, quietly mulling it over (yes, I saw a jetpack, UFO and egg), but as I was looking at it my daughters came in to say good night, and the first one looks at the screen and goes "A jetpack! cool!... and a flying saucer and an easter egg!), the other one came in the room a minute later and basically said the same thing...

They are eight years old, don't really play many video games other than tablet puzzle games: myst-like puzzle mysteries, candy-crush, piperoll...etc. They have seen jetpacks on TV, cartoons etc, but knew nothing about the jetpack in San Andreas... or had any mention of one in a video game, GTA or otherwise... they had heard about easter eggs in movies, but I never mentioned it to them being in video games, until that moment when they asked if that was what the egg icon might mean...

 

Now, not for nothing, but if two little kids with little gaming experience will look at the mural and come to the same conclusion (yes the same conclusion I did) as to what those icons depict (as most adult gamers did), then as far as I'm concerned, either Rockstar was being misleading or lazy for letting that mural look the way it does.

When I took graphic design, one of my instructors specifically said, when creating icons or pictograms they should be simple enough that a six year old child could interpret them... I suppose he meant "good" or "useful" icons, but my point is whatever Rockstar may one day claim the mural might have meant, and what the icons actually represented... and given the fact that mural is not really hidden and the icons are very easily interpreted (or misinterpreted) as being a Jetpack, egg and UFO by novices as well as seasoned gamers...

In that case if they did not have a tangible prize of any dynamic value (sorry but that stupid mural and all the other clues and suggestions in the game imply there is something really cool to be had, that is not part of the direct story... it is meant to grab your attention, and does not imply "static eye candy")... then if no jetpack came with the game, that was the worst "screw you" I have ever gotten from a game since the early 90s...

No, I don't really care if it is DLC... especially if I have to buy it or it is online only...

No, if it was not in the stupid game to begin with, then Rockstar allowed me and thousands of other people to waste months of our time, plod though hundreds of theories and useless exercises trying to figure out what that mural was all about for nothing.

But worst of all, so many people probably either rushed though the game and never really enjoyed it or spent way, way, way more time screwing around with it than they ever should of and in so doing totally ignored whatever "fun" there was to be had in a normal play-though...

Basically, they tainted the experience of the game with that mural...

I know a lot of "fans" (suckups in my opinion) will say Rockstar owes us nothing, we made all this up in our heads etc... big deal, they'ed never admit anything if it was only a joke or big misunderstanding and all the other crap people throw out there in defense of any imaginable position Rockstar may have... but sorry... in the end, its all BS.

I can't see anyway they weren't aware of the magnitude of this hunt or that so many people have interpreted it this way...

At the end of the day, its just plain f**ked up.

 

Either the mural has a fairly simple explanation/solution or this whole thing was broken from the get-go.

Sorry, but maybe there may still be some deep meaning or deviously hidden secrets and prizes that will take us years to find... but its a game... a GTA game, and that used to mean fun, not pointless mind games.

 

I played through the game... but unless I have real proof I need more that simple completion I'm not going to do any heroic maneuvers, no all platinum true-true 100%... the solution should have been reasonably accessible and at least have had some tiny sign one was doing stuff right... otherwise the solution turns out to be no better than a random guess.

 

I still play the game when I'm bored, but it really seems very hollow... even though I did have some fun, there was always that stupid mural taunting me... To be honest, its like I need closure on this mystery... was it real or not...

I don't even want or need the prize... just to know if all that was a huge waste of time.

 

All because of that one friggin' jetpack icon.

Edited April 21, 2014 by McGyver55

[sheaskie]

does anyone 'actually' think we will ever randomly trigger something new for this mural and be like "oh, the answer was here all along"? or are we just hanging onto false hopes here?

[StangOne50]

 

I feel your pain bro.

[ferminator748]

Great post McGyv,

 

I think that sums up most of our feelings around here.

[TirkaneX]

@X

 

...obvious...

...clearly...

 

...it's clearly...

 

 

 

When, in a mystery, something is clearly or obvious, it's rarely what it seems.

 

Why his head is a square/box?

 

 

Take your time to study these two Backpack:

Edited April 21, 2014 by TirkaneX

[soulgiver666]

to illustrate clearly:

 

Image 1: A man runs with a pistol in his left hand.

image 2: he wears a bag and holding it with his right hand.

Image 3: Money goes from the bag.

 

We've all seen that in the game. But no, it's a man with a Jetpack.

 

We can do the same with a side view(especially the shadow) of a man with a back pack+sleeping bag+straps hang at the bottom of bag or a Man with a golf bag(ditto, the shadow).

 

All of this is viewable.

 

I don't say it's not a man with a Jetpack, I say it's maybe something else.

When you see it like that, I would be inclined to agree.

[Ungreth]

Tirk, I have no doubt that the stick figure represents a jetpack. Apples are apples, no matter how hard you squint and imagine them as pears. My point was not to challenge our interpretation of the icon, but to question it's assumed status as a "prize" for solving the mystery. I'm simply suggesting it makes more sense that the jetpack should be used as a means to obtaining the end reward (the egg?) than to be the reward itself.

[TirkaneX]

 

We can say the 2 last are probably "X", what are the three first?

And why an entire quarter of the red "eye" is deface? you can also see that the line who lead to the "Egg" is in red, entire line is not black. This small part is a part of th "eye".

 

@Ungreth, X, stangone50, CanOdope and me1283 and One Poor Fool

 

I've said:

 

"I don't say it's not a man with a Jetpack, I say it's maybe something else."

Edited April 21, 2014 by TirkaneX

[Crimie]

Come on Tirk.......what does a backpack have to do with the military base or the UFO or whatever? Why does the UFO represented by the backpack shine a light on the bunker? There is a backpack in the bunker of the military base? These are just some thoughts I had that contradict your viewpoint

[TirkaneX]

if it's obvious, I don't want to debate on this mural. It's ok, UFO,CE,JP.